When and why did diversity become a value unto itself? Any answers

Capitalism demands an unstable, divided work-force to maximise profits.

Cultures with the attitude that they know everything already will stagnate.

The defeat of the Nazis caused a backlash against everything they stood for, including and especially ethnonationalism.

If we'd fought and won a war with the USSR then our culture would probably be largely opposed to egalitarianism and progressivism.

>>1481004
American culture is, though

>>1480990
I'm 24 and I remember it as part of my school curriculum as far back as we had social studies, so 1st grade or so. Hell I still think diversity is a strength, but tempered with reason, not this quota bullshit I've been seeing lately.

>>1480990
>Answers that contain the correct answer will be thrown out

You're really shooting yourself in the foot there OP.

>>1480990
When the Office of War Information during WW2 instructed Warner Bros + other film companies to push the idea of America as a "melting pot"

This is literally the correct answer

>>1481016
>diversity is a strength

lol why

>>1480990
Jews.

>>1480990
The image is quite interesting because it confirms my observation that the political left has completely given up on economic issues. Most of these people are perfectly fine the capitalist system. They're fighting for an equal opportunity of exploitation.

>>1480990
i thought diversity was an american meme.

>>1480990
Diversity as an end in and of itself became a thing as part of the fight for affirmative action. Universities and some other organizations wanted to institute AA as sort of a form of reparations, but this isn't politically appealing to a lot of people and can run afoul of anti-discrimination laws.

Affirmative action in the US, in its most quota-driven form, was introduced during the Nixon administration, but was rejected by many people and ended up violating the constitution. So they had to work under the "diversity is important" idea as a means of justifying affirmative action.

>>1481016
Every single instance in history has pointed to multiculturalism inevitably failing.

Empires that don't assimilate foreign populations to the native culture get ripped apart at the seams.

America was a god damn assimilation machine in previous centuries, but now that this diversity shit is being pushed so hard divisions between races have never been wider.

>>1481199
>The image is quite interesting because it confirms my observation that the political left has completely given up on economic issues
An MS paint image "confirms your observations" therefore it must be fact? I think you might have been able to hear me laughing from whatever basement you are posting from.
Maybe the left have "given up" on economic issues because any policy that is suggested that isn't a laissez faire capitalist one is instantly demonized as COMMIE STEALING and attacked on all fronts since the average layman won't bother to read a bill anyway.

>>1481487
>An MS paint image "confirms your observations" therefore it must be fact? I think you might have been able to hear me laughing from whatever basement you are posting from.
It confirms my observations in the sense that there's someone out there who has noticed something similar, and he ended up painting the picture. An observation being 'confirmed' does not necessarily make it a fact, it merely means that it hasn't been 'refuted'. I propose you go read more Popper and try to lecture people on the internet a little less.

>Maybe the left have "given up" on economic issues because any policy that is suggested that isn't a laissez faire capitalist one is instantly demonized as COMMIE STEALING and attacked on all fronts since the average layman won't bother to read a bill anyway.
Is that so? I think it's more an issue of people having come to terms with the status quo. The political left of today doesn't want to change the means of production - they want for everyone to have an equal chance to get a job, regardless of identity. That's their political vision.

>>1481546
>It confirms my observations in the sense that there's someone out there who has noticed something similar
And scientologists have an a mass of believers who notice similar things, as do anti-vaccers and flat-earthers.

>I think it's more an issue of people having come to terms with the status quo
I agree with this, but it's hard to keep a large amount of power without following status quo as most people are reluctant to change and go along with whatever the herd is doing. Add disinformation and 24 hour propaganda distribution and you have a recipe for fear driven homogeneity.

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>>1480990

>>1481421
Lol no you just didnt fucking know. Black people have never had a more positive view of race relations or the country as a whole and the direction its going in. Just because they want to see more change doesn't mean they dont think it hasnt gotten better.

>>1481592
>Black people have never had a more positive view of race relations or the country as a whole and the direction its going in
Source?

>>1481004
>The defeat of the Nazis caused a backlash against everything they stood for, including and especially ethnonationalism.

This, plus a large helping of christian morality disassociated from the religion itself.
People are still big on the whole forgiveness, turn-the-other-cheek, love-thy-neighbour stuff, and they think helping the weak and especially strangers is a highly noble thing to do.

Well now I want neopolitan ice cream.

>>1481600
Yes the article is pretty cringy but the poll was solid. There are a bunch of others that say the same but I am lazy

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a40693/american-rage-nbc-survey/

>>1480990
Right wingers need laborers as well as "growth" and left wingers need votes

>>1481624
That article gave me cancer. I know these aren't your personal opinions, but most of these polls drive home the white VS black identity that is being sensationalized so much these days and is (in my opinion) what is to blame about a lot of the events that are going on.

When black people talk about "race relations" they mean blacks getting along with whites, they could care less about hispanics and all other immigrants, and they don't even bother to include them in the questions. In my opinion, these types of articles contribute to the Black vs White battle that ignores the other majority of American opinions.

>>1481004
>The defeat of the Soviets caused a backlash against everything they stood for, including and especially ethnonationalism.

FTFY

It was always value unto itself, anon.

>>1481084
The same reason why there is division of labor, i.e. society need to be diverse to work as single entity.

>>1481421
Diversity in the American sense is the opposite of multiculturalism

>>1481566
He isn't wrong. The concept of race is a huge social impediment.

>>1480990
Because big corporations want a big work force which will drive down wages and increase their short-term profits.

When and why did diversity become a problem unto itself?

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>>1480990
Have some Porkies, then.

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>>1482375

Unless it's the jewish race, in which case it's ok to compaign for the preservations of it.

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>>1481199
>a paint image drawn by an anonymous person confirms my observation

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>>1482512

>>1482512
There is no Jewish race

>>1481421
>Every single instance in history has pointed to multiculturalism inevitably failing.

Everything inevitably fails going by that

>>1481558
>And scientologists have an a mass of believers who notice similar things, as do anti-vaccers and flat-earthers.
Yes; or like a scientist who observes things, makes up his mind in regards to their nature and then puts his ideas to the test in order to see them either confirmed or refuted. I think you should drop the whole thing since you're only making a fool of yourself. And I was serious about reading Popper.

>I agree with this
Good.

>>1482525
You should refer to >>1481546.

>>1482375
you're a fucking idiot

>>1480990
different people vring different points of view, take the gaming indusrty as an example if most companies werent run by old retard ceos they would make way more money and different people could try to pander to different demographics

>>1482129
Division of labor is a very different thing from ethnic diversity, you can say that you "need" the garbage man, the lawyer and the entrepeneur, but I dont see why you "need" the Kurds, the Somalis, etc.

Didn't society work as a single entity before mass immigration from non-western countries into Europe?

>>1480990
>Any answers, including the word Jew, will be thrown out
>Any answers
>including the word Jew
>will be thrown out
>Any answers will be thrown out
>Including the word Jew
Why ask the question then?

>>1482375
Yeah let's throw away 100.000 years of evolution (and blood, sweat and tears).

>>1482129
Ah that explains why all those racially homogeneous civilizations over the course of human history never worked until diversity was implemented.

>>1482592
>they know

>>1484114
This is because race is social construct i.e. plays no role in skills and an abilities, in all of the things that matters for division of labor.

>>1484113
are you okay? that has nothing to do with that. It has to do with the idea of breaking down race AS A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT

>>1482375
Agreed. There is still zero empirical evidence of "race," other than what one superficially observes. But in that case, it's no different from hair or eye color. In fact, with the newer and cheaper forms of genetic history being conducted, it appears to demonstrate the reverse: That "race" itself is a mere social construct with no real value or force.

>>1484150
You can't "break down" what never really existed to begin with.

"Hello, I am king of this primitive tribe here. I noticed a lot of babies being born with light fuzzy hair. My political rival has fuzzy hair. I cannot prove that my political rival fathered all these children. Regardless though, I will make an edict that will exile all fuzzy light-haired individuals to their own tribe. That will surely take care of the problem. Goddamn fuzzies ruining our local economy and such"

>>1484150
Race is not a social construct. Our idea of race (the scientific concept) is a product of patterns in our observed reality. If you want to remove the presence of "race" in society you need to remove racial diversity.

>>1484161
How does one even become this hilariously brainwashed? Disturbing to say the least. Please try to educate yourself ASAP. You could start by searching for "race" in a search engine of your choice.

>>1482499
best pic ever

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>>1484192
>Our idea of race (the scientific concept) is a product of patterns in our observed reality.
Except said "patterns" in our "observed reality" is highly arbitrary and changes over time.

You have shit like people from the same race of the ethno-genetic type with the same fucking physical features calling each other different races just because the other cunt has another religion, spoke a similar yet different language, or just plain did not live in the area of perceived race.

Classical Greece & Macedon is a perfect example of this.

>>1484212
wow. You're fucking brainwashed. Just fucking wow.

>>1484161
>There is still zero empirical evidence of "race,"

Except there fucking is. You fucking bluepilled moron.

>>1484192
>Our idea of race (the scientific concept) is a product of patterns in our observed reality.

^ Appeal to vagueness masquerading as evidence. "Wink-wink" arguments don't count for shit, anon. You can do better, can't you?

>>1484207
>How does one even become this hilariously brainwashed?

Mere skepticism isn't brainwashing.

>You could start by searching for "race" in a search engine of your choice.

What if I did and came up with nothing substantial. You're going to have to get off your lazy ass and debate, instead of hand-waving google off to do it for you.

That is, if you really cared about the topic to begin with.

>>1484218
>Except there fucking is.

^ Argumentum ad lapidem/mere assertion

>You fucking bluepilled moron.

. . .PLUS a bonus ad hom for free? How wonderful!

>>1481015
so that's why Hillary is going to win?

>>1484113
Race isn't evolutionary, it's social.

I'm not saying we need to all marry propped from different ethnic backgrounds, that's stupid. But the concept of race is new, emerging out of colonial structures in the 16th century. Race is shallow, based more on phenotype than genetic.

An Ethiopian and a West African are genetically less distant than a Frenchmen and a Maya native... yet the first two are one race, while the second two are different races.

>>1484784
>An Ethiopian and a West African are genetically less distant than a Frenchmen and a Maya native... yet the first two are one race, while the second two are different races.
You do realize what you said proves you wrong?

>>1484819
Race =/= genetic distance you dumb fuck

>>1484218
>>>/pol/ is thataway pal

>>1484218
Race isn't variation, it's classification

>>1480990
Because it maintains class hierarchies, leaving the pinks who matter at the top while those who just aspire for it are mired at the bottom, all so the whole thing isn't brought crashing down.

>>1480990
Try and read thread.
Literally full of nonesensical childish arguments.
Is there some better place/forum/imageboard to discuss history and humanities?

>>1484285
>Hillary
>progressive egalitarian
Pick one, idiot

>we are all one race: the human race: the thread: the sequel
Be sure to mix with as many different races as possible, except for G*ds chosen few we must remain pure.

>>1480990
A more accurate cartoon would have no pink people in the bottom tier.

>>1484212
>Except said "patterns" in our "observed reality" is highly arbitrary and changes over time.
Taxonomy in general is also highly arbitrary yet I doubt you'd be so quick to commit to the corollary that species are also an irrelevant social construct.

Then again who knows with you cultural marxists, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if you started undermining the concept of species too in a few decades if no one stops you.

>>1486159
Jews are heterogeneous as fuck

>>1486202
Well I am so sorry history doesnt show race as neat, constant, taxonomies the way you wanted it, nigga.

>>1484212
It just means Greeks and Macedonians are the same racial grouping if they look so similar where as a Nigerian is different.

>>1486302
Taxonomies are not, nor have ever been constant. That does not suddenly invalidate their usefulness nor does it invalidate the existence of the subjects they attempt to describe.

Race is real.
Gender is real.
Species is real.
Your ideology's attempt to unravel these concepts by pulling at stray threads will not be allowed to continue or succeed.

>>1486302
It does you dumb fucking numale cuck

Asians literally have abnormal earwax

Blacks have heads almost as long as tall

>>1486340
Race is absolutely real, but it's still founded in social perception

>>1480990
Cultural Marxism, first and foremost.

>>1480990
>any answers including the word "Jew will be disregarded

Jew detected.

>>1486346
Just like the rest of civilization, then?

>>1486340
> Race is real.
Yes, as social construct.

If it wasn't such a serious issue I would be laughing at all the mental gymanstics being preformed by shills and useful idiots here.

>>1486346
>>1486771
I assume not being able to donate bone marrow to other races is just a spook as well, innit?

>>1487037
I do not understand their attempts to subsume all other fields as social constructs. Except perhaps unless they wished to have power over which ideas are validated in the marketplace of ideas.

All social constructs have basis in the true objective reality we live in.

While specialisation of the hunan genome is much more complicated than simply the skin colour, it serves as a useful heuristic.

For example the capacity for intelligence is genetic and there is no reason to not assume that different populations over time would have differing capabilities.

You can jump up and down and scream about societal factors such as wealth inequality and institutional racism but with proper care one can control for these factors.

>>1481421
This is the standardized answer for ethnopluralists. And it's still bullshit.
Source: Provide me with examples of empires that assimilated foreign populations or excluded foreign populations all together that didn't "get ripped apart at the seams".

>>1485215
Screencap this and repost it in every thread on /pol/, in every "race"-discussion etc, until the morons understand. Oh, wait...they're morons, they won't understand.

>>1487069
U S A
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>>1480990
>When and why did diversity become a value unto itself?
I'm aware that my answer is controversial, but I believe it to be the most explanatory answer other than "da joos".
tl;dr: Secularism.

Once upon a time, when the dinosaurs still walked the earth, Christianity held sway in the hearts and minds of the men of the West. While the morals imposed are of course important, the most important matter in this fact is that it gave people an (otherwise unjustified) faith in the objective. It gave them the faith that there's such a thing as true and false, as right and wrong, as virtue and sin. Social mores and society were designed according to these beliefs, and even in the supposed age of reason these ideas never lost their hold, even among the culturally Christian atheists.

After WW2, secularization kicked into overdrive, churches became empty at a much faster rate than before and faith had effectively disappeared. With faith goes the idea of the objective: as Nietzsche predicted morality collapses once God dies. Here's where the problems start: when you have an objective morality, you have "us" and "them". "They" have their own moral system, but their system is wrong. "Our" system is right, even if we do not always live up to it. But what if "us" and "our" system disappears? Then what is left to separate "us" from "them"? What is there to say that "their" system is wrong and ours right? What standard can we use to say that the system that tells us to pray for our enemies is better than the system that commands the greatest virtue is to fight and die in the name of Allah? Nothing.

Because there is no objectivity left, everyone becomes equal. There is no right, no wrong and the only "virtue" of this post-secular society becomes the pushing of the idea that we are all equal. Because claiming one is better than the other means evoking this objectivity we have abolished.

It's no coincidence that post-modernism and secularism arose in roughly the same period.

>>1481016
I too remember being brainwashed with "diversity = strength" when I was in elementary school. They never attempted to prove it, but they certainly made us make posters and drawings about it.

An entire generation has been brainwashed by these psychos.

>>1481546
>The political left of today doesn't want to change the means of production - they want for everyone to have an equal chance to get a job, regardless of identity
If that were true, why would a top 1% black student still get into colleges easier than a poor Asian American student? Shouldn't the left be looking at financial circumstances more than ethnicity if they truly cared about that?

I'm not buying it.

>>1484146
Except sub-Saharan Africans for example often have average IQ 20-30 points lower than average Westerner. But sure. That plays no role.

>>1480990
It is obviously a reaction against racism. Businesses adopt this dogma so they look like fanatical anti-racists too thereby making lawsuits more difficult, but anyone with intelligence can see straight through it.

Obviously knowing how to dance the samba or whatever doesn't make you a better accountant and no amount of mental gymnastics is going to change that. Of course in some area knowledge about a culture is useful like advertizing, though in this case the business would be looking for african americans to provide insights into african american culture, they weren't looking for a diverse mix of vietnamese, germans and mexicans.

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>>1480990
Oh, gee...

>>1487138
>some jews agree with it
logically this doesn't prove there is a conspiracy, plz take this back to /pol/

>>1487162
Some Germans agreed to kill lots of Jews
Look what happened

>>1487162
This also forgets about jews like Eric Zemmour or Ben Shapiro who are both conservative and opposed to (Islamic) mass migration (but Ben Shapiro didn't support Trump so he must be part of the conspiracy too). Or the fact that the most Islamized parts of France have more of a Jewish Flight than a White Flight, and that Jews are overrepresented among FN voters despite the party's anti-semitic history.

The reason why so many Jews are anti-white should be obvious:
1. Progressives are overrepresented among academics
2. Jews are overrepresented among academics
3. ????

>>1487163
Some Germans couldn't do shit without a lot of Germans approving. Some Jews can't destroy the white race without the white race agreeing to their own destruction.

>>1487169
Those certain Germans lied to the majority of Germans. Those certain Jews thus lie to white people

>>1487174
So? The white majority is still at fault for believing these lies without criticism. Just like the Germans as a people can be blamed for electing Hitler and voting NSDAP. Perhaps not every individual German, but this construct called the German people clearly can. They were not innocent bystanders, they were enablers at best and supporters at worst.

And again, you're also forgetting the anti-progressive Jews white people refuse to listen to. A Zemmour-led conspiracy running France wouldn't be all that bad.

>>1487183
The problem is that most of these Jews resort to screaming anti semitism at the slightest criticism. Hell, even Ben Shapiro is prone to this

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>>1487183
Now looks who's in charge and leading the progressive propaganda
Who teaches diversity is strength and pride ones country and ethnicity is evil, well only if you're white otherwise

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>>1480990
Lol the answer traces itself to Jewish Marxists, whether you like it or not. Research people like Herbert Marcuse and Gramsci.
Gramsci in particular was a Marxist psychologist who defined the word "Xenophobia", the word itself implies that anyone that doesn't like other cultures must be sick in the head.
Diversity is an integral part of Cultural Marxism, designed to break down the communal homogeneity. This train of thought has been pushed through our education systems, a lot of people have gone through university who have then pushed it into our school system.
How does any ideology take root after all? Communication.

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>>1484218
"le boo pill >:("
get off 4chan son, maybe you'll amount to something in this life.

>>1487045
Populations have different physical traits but humans don't nearly group into "white", "black", "Asian", and whatever

>>1487094
Christianity is the biggest motivation for ethnic tolerance with all its "all men are equal" stuff

>>1487462
That's what people mean when they say race is a social construct. Not that races don't exist, but the classifications are arbitrary and differ by culture.

For example, why do we classify Ethopians as "black", putting them in the same group as West Africans when they have more in common (genetically speaking) with Arabs? Are Arabs even white? That differs too depending on who you ask. And then there's racemixing: is someone who's half-black half-white black, white or something entirely different. The West tends to maintain the one drop rule, which leads to the retarded result where someone who's 3/4ths white being called "black". Double that retardation if that 1/4th is Ethiopian.

>>1487358
Gramsci was as goyish as the pope

>>1487479
>ethnic tolerance
Yeah, ethnic. Not moral. If every Algerian that ever came to France was converted to Catholocism the moment they came ashore, there would be zero problem.

On top of that, it was the Christion mission civilisatrice that, to a certain degree, inspired colonialism. Christians believed they had the duty to spread the word. They were more concerned with bringing Europe to Africa than with bringing Africa to Europe. This is why colonial France (as opposed to modern day France) had very strict standards for what colonials were allowed to come to the mainland. They had to be Christian, fluent in French, of good moral character and even then they were generally distrusted and not seen as "one of us", despite being French on paper.

Finally, keep in mind that ethnic tolerance (ie. acceptance of ethnic difference) is not the same as "diversity" (ie. the desire to make every country as racially mixed as possible).

>>1487122
You're forgetting that according to the progressive left, a black student is systematically disadvantaged and making it easier for them is their way of 'equalising' the playing field.

>>1487125

Have you considered that IQ tests may be biased and unintentionally favor Western ideas on how to measure intelligence?

>>1488780
>muh institutional racism
>muh malnutrition

These factors have been controlled for in a number of experiments measuring the difference between black people and white people.

If you wanted an argument that could almost stand omln its legs you should have used the cultural diferences.

Bur you know what that is informed by right?

>>1487488
Lots of shit is culturally arbitrary, like morals, but that doesn't meanv ou can't have objective classifications

>>1488780
Wow, it's like they live in a world built by the West or something

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>>1481004
This

>>1481004
>if we
>implying your part of nazi movement and not just a fagot of a cosplayer

>>1481084
Because changing demographics is an inevitability so creating a malleable system more easily adapts to changes is better in the long run than a static system which will shatter under pressure.

>>1492721
This is one of the most retarded things I've read. "Diversity" is not at all creating a system that more easily adapts to changes.

>>1484218
t. Butthurt /pol/fag
When's that school shooting going to happen pal, I know you've had it planned for a while now. Fucking kek you're retarded.

>>1492392
And you have shit reading comprehension. He was obviously using "we" to refer to the Allies. The Nazis did go to war with the USSR.

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>>1484218
>wow. You're fucking brainwashed. Just fucking wow.
>wow. You're a fucking white male. Just fucking wow.