what was the reason why south korea and taiwan developed so quickly?

State capitalism. Seriously, look it up. Planned economy that originally serves for the accumulation of capital through simple manual work achieved by underpaid unskilled workers. When you have enough capital you invest it into something profitable like technologies and electronics, as the profit goes up your wages grow gradually and your workers become more skilled. In the end you have high-tech society like Japan.

China is currently going through the same phase. That means you better say goodbye to made in china low quality shit and say hello to high QUALITY merchandise.

>>1459983
Go read about chaebol.
South korea is gonna colapse sooner or later

South Korea is a shithole for a lot of its people desu. Not sure about Taiwan but I wouldn't be surprised if there's a lot poverty there as well.

>>1460017
Only if you live in rural areas but who gives a fuck about peasants, lol.

>>1460017
I thought it was first world and everyone was free and played starcraft all day long.

I am not memeing either. I thought it was just like japan.

>>1460006
our own rockefeller and carnegie ran things like this 100 years ago, wouldn't the system naturally change over time?

>>1460081

probably

>>1459983
Google Asian Tigers.

Also, capitalism.

>>1460032
Japan is none of those things either.

>>1459983
State capitalism + US protection + US preferential trade deals + US aid + US investment

>>1460098
>capitalism
Yes but what kind?

>>1460129
If you Googled Asian Tigers, you'd know.

Islands like Taiwan and Singapore are easier to secure and suffered from less corruption. South Korea might as well be an island with its heavily militarized border. Taiwan and South Korea are also more temperate than the coastal regions of India and Thailand which seems to be a factor. Singapore's command of the stait of Malacca might have offset this.

It is more economical to have industry at the end of the production chain close together, as opposed to processing raw materials which is usually only done to ease transportation. So most development centered on these ideal locations for decades until the cold war ended.

>>1460136
what the fuck?
>less corruption
SK was all about the institutional corruption senpai.

>>1460136
>Taiwan
>SK
>Suffered Less Corruption.
You what.

SK and Taiwan is famous in this region for Nepotism shenanigans.

>>1460146
it's easier to make dictatorships "less corrupt" than democracies. examples ie singapore or 1950s middle east. this of course doesn't fix the societal maturity on such issues, and thus SK still has a shitton of corruption.

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>>1459983
In order of importance:

0. Stability due to benign authoritarian governments
1. Capitalism
2. Homogenous populations
3. Substantial foreign investments

>>1460185
4. Opposition to communism

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>>1460136
>He doesn't know about Singapore's power networks among a small group of families

>>1460146
>>1460177
>>1460191
Every country suffers from corruption. Improved security means fewer opportunities for crime and thus fewer opportunities for corruption.

>>1460191
but they have pretty roads and people buy shiny things!

This really makes me wonder, what would the west think of countries like India if they had tourist restrictions and only allowed tourists to visit a few set piece places.

>>1460185
Is that based Chiang Ching-kuo?

>>1460209
the East asian countries you mention normalized that kind of corruption, and so it became part of their society.

>>1459983
The answer is simple. They were Japan when they started to modernize. They had a starter pack of modernization.

>>1460220
This. Japan was the first and only Asian nation that modernized herself on her own. Korea and Taiwan could just do the same thing as Japan did. They had the whole infrastructure IPJ left there. North Korea and China? If only they were not communist country!

>>1460216
More normalized than corruption in Nigeria or Mexico? I don't see anything that outs them as inherently more corrupt.

>>1460237
>Japan is unique
>other countries did the same thing

what

>>1460185

China has only one of those things (foreign investment) and is set to surpass them all.

>>1460220
if that were true they would be more grateful like Hong Kong is to Britain

>>1460290
Japan made a hardcore point of modernizing in the late 19th century. The foundations they laid during that time allowed them to compete directly with other modernized nations in WWII.

>>1460307
But they are grateful anon. Taiwanese love Japanese more than their fellow Han on the mainland.

Japan was just a poor feudal shithole before Meiji era. So were Korea and Taiwan. But Japan did modernized after that and Taiwan and Korea were part of Japan then. After WWII, Taiwan and Korea were independent but they were already modernized enough to go on their own. And which country they followed as their example? Of course their former master country, Japan.

Asian people are culturally conformist and lack the curiosity and enterprise westerners have. But they also have hard working culture and good IQ. When they started learning the way western countries did, it's only natural for them to catch up and sometimes surpass.

>>1460347
>curiosity and enterprise
Ah yes, because your average wageslave is known for their enterprise and curiosity

>>1460352
Wage slaves aside, it's still westerners who invented internet and are enjoying the richest life and freedom.

>>1460395
it also has to do with a declining population and welfare states in the west that acts as a support.

>>1460017
This. Highest suicide and alcoholism rates in the world. It may look economically developed from the outside but people are miserable there.

>>1460017
Korea is by far the worst developed country for old people. Not much of a social safety net, and cultural changes within the past few decades, along with cramped housing, have ended the traditional practice of elderly Koreans living with their children. Many live in poverty or are homeless.

If you visit Korea, it really is sad to see very old people in the subway trying to sell dried vegetables in the station or rubber gloves and batteries out of a pushcart on the train.

http://www.helpage.org/global-agewatch/population-ageing-data/global-rankings-map/

All this Korea talk is fascinating. I thought that they just were Japan-lite.

Any good reads/overviews regarding Korea's modernization and it's current situation?