Why is the Swedish Empire and their battle tactics so unknown

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All thanks to brave Finnish soldiers.

What should I know about the history of sweden anyway?
Inform me.

>>1411222
Nice Dubs

They were at one point considered a great power and defeated other great powers of the day like Russia and Poland. But this was the 17th century.

>>1411227
>Dubs
I meant trips.

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yes, Carl, yes, good, very good

however

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>>1411222
they were vikings who were strong warriors wielding dane axes and great explorers also

>>1411227
Fair enough.
But if that's all then I might as well just ignore them like before.

>>1411243
Nah if you go deeper in history you'll discover there interesting viking past.

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mobility of the lighter Swedish cannons proved a factor, also Gustavus Adolphus innovated his cavalry to abandon the previous use of pistol and caracol maneuver and issued the charge with the sabre

>>1411246
You skipped the part where they had Norway.

>>1411189
List of meme empires:

>Swedish
>Serbian

Help me out here, /his/.

>>1411246
Tbh Sweden should've just united Scandinavia instead.

>>1411277
>Macedon
>Spain
>Mongols

>>1411277
>Ethiopian Empire
>Brazilian Empire
>Mexican Empire

>>1411215
HAKKAA PÄÄLLE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rACGfTQci6w

>>1411284
they tried many times but they couldn't. scandis are worse than fucking balkans.

>>1411215
haha no

>>1411246
1721 to 1803 seriously looks like a dick and ballsack to me.

>>1411277
Trebizond and Vietnam

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>>1411189
People don't know anything about history, why is this surprising?

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>>1411513
Not only for you

>>1411699
lol'd hard man. thanks for the comic.

>>1411189
They are known to those interested in military history I guess.

>>1411243
They absolutely rekt Germany, Russia and Poland and had probably the best soldiers of the time. Bretty interesting

>>1411222
they had probably the biggest influence on biology and chemistry, and it was a goliath in political and military power in europe during the great age

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroleans#Infantry_G.C3.A5.E2.80.93P.C3.A5
>we're constantly outnumbered, what will we do?
>charge them lol

and then it worked

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>>1411784
No there are still stories about the cruelty of swedish troops during the thrity years war in my region

>>1411832
Germany?

>>1411832
*thirty
>>1411844
Yes, south western region

>be scarcely populated barren shithole of a land
>conquer more barren shithole
>develop tactics of melee charge in the age of muskets
>march into the middle of russia for no reason

swedish "empire"

>>1411857
Why were they so brutal? I thought discipline was high in Swedish army of that time.

>>1411884
Discipline when it comes to god and your fellow soldiers, The army has to eat in a time were logistics were hard, So looting became a thing.

>>1411884
>>1411890
Not mention looting and sacking cities was part and parcel of war up to that time.

>>1411884
it wasn't the army. it was mostly mercenaries, soldier's families and random looters following the army. excluding of course raiding parties deployed especially to terrorize the territory but they did exactly what they were told to so it wasn't actually discipline matter.

>>1411872
>develop tactics of melee charge in the age of muskets
Not even this. They saw Poles doing it so they've mimicked it with lesser success.

>>1411920
Lol no, The Swedes developed the tactic to shoot when you "see the enemy eyes" fire a volley and then charge, before the enemy can reload, Which gives the enemy 2 options, meet the charge/reload and try to shoot again, Or run away. They chose number 2 most of the times.

>>1411920
>>1411935
well one of you fuckers give source

>>1411189
Because people only care about le vikings

>>1412024
who mostly weren't even swedes

>>1412015
I'm not one of those fuckers, but:
http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/HowHussarFought.htm
http://polisharms.com/influences/

>>1411189
Every nation on earth always think their country is a special snowflake.

>>1411935
>The Swedes developed the tactic to shoot when you "see the enemy eyes" fire a volley and then charge
That's a bold claim. Source?

>>1411276
>Forgetting the war of 1814 and the resulting unequal alliance
The nations shared their french king (Bernadotte) and Sweden decided the foreign policy, in every other manner Norway was an independent nation. Not including Norway on that map does make sense.

>>1411802
Didn't they fight one battle where the Poles so thoroughly BTFOd the Swedes out they only lost like 10 guys?

Apparently, Sweden kept using pike-armed infantry successfully well into the 1700s after the rest of Europe abandoned it.

>>1412711
Perhaps that's because Sweden's enemies also kept using pike armed infantry. Only western Europe had abanoned it.

>>1412478

Yes one battle among dozens where the swedes kicked the poles hard.

>>1411277
Latin Empire
Austro-Hungarian Empire
German """""""""empire""""""""

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>>1411699
>mfw they actually had to reissue EU coins precisely because of this

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>>1412407
I bet your country doesn't have a official font!

>>1411872
What the fuck are you talking about? Bayonet charges were the best way to decisively break an enemy other than those of cavalry.

>>1411189
The Leeroy Jenkins of armies.

>>1411189
Aaah the painting of the battle of Helsingborg

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>>1411513

>>1411277
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ITT: people arguing over fine points without providing sources :^)