Why is Turkey so triggered by the existence of Kurds? Do Iranians

Everyone with half a brain hates k*rds

>>1396297
t. cenk uygur

>>1396299
t.Kurdish honor killer

>>1396328
None of the popular atheists know Scripture well enouh to settle debates; neither do I follow the popular nor do your deluded retarded memes apply to me. My post was antitheist. I somewhat doubt your kind can learn new proper words.

Iranians are fine with Kurds but also recognize an independent Kurdistan would weaken them

Iranian Kurdistan is relatively autonomous to my knowledge, but dissidence isn't tolerated

Kurds and Persians are cousins. They get along alright.

Kurds in Iraq are geographically isolated so in a sense they get along fine there too. The rest of the Arab world probably doesn't care for them, being an Iranian culture that still celebrates things like Nowruz.

Turks hate Kurds, yes. Turks kinda hate everyone and wish everyone was Turkish.

>>1396277
They dont want to lose the lands when a kurd state is formed. Same reason Iraq hates them i think.

>>1396346
This. It's mostly a "muh clay" thing.

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>>1396297

No, Mehmet, only subhuman turkroaches hate them.

There's a reason that t*rks are hated by every ethnic group that has come into contact with them.

>>1396342
In Iraq most don't Care about the Kurds
Heck even Saddam only Gassed them nkt out of hatred for them but because there was a war going on

>>1396277
I want them to have their own country so we can get over with this drama. If ran the country, I'd make a referendum for each city and let them decide their own fate once and for all. Though it'd never happen because Turks are butthurt about their empire was torn into pieces 100 years ago, and since then they're paranoid that their country would get torn apart again.

If the current demographics keep up, Kurds will outnumber Turks in Turkey by the end of the 21st century.

You must never lose an opportunity to remind the Turk of this fact.

Also, the politics of Kurds are very different depending on which country you're in.

>>1396441
>If the current demographics keep up

Alas, they never do.

>>1396384
B-but muh 3 state partition Iraqi Kurdistan

>>1396384
>most don't care about kurds

Is this true on an institutional level? It was my understanding most iraqi sunnis were breddy much on board with isis.

>>1396277

Kurds keep chimping out and beating each other here and all of them are welfare leeching potential criminials

>>1396342
If Kurds and Persians are cousins then Turks are extended family.

No amount of steppe worship will erase their true origins.

>>1397105
This desu

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>>1397105
>>1397160

turks are actually perso-greko-mongo-arabo-slavo-albanians

>>1397105
Turks are a mixture of every ethnicity that ever lived in Anatolia. The only thing that still allows them to identify as special snowflake is their language. It's kinda similar with Hungarians who still speak their Uralic gibberish but have lost their true origins long ago.

Turanism is a meme.

>>1396277

>Do Iranians react the same way to Kurds?
Yes

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>>1397166
>Turanism is a meme.
It truly boggles my mind when Anatolian Turks try to claim random steppe polities as their ancestors.

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>>1397242

>Expecting nomadic people to stay "racially pure" or have similar phenotypes.

Doesn't even make sense, the bonds of those Central Asian people(except Turkish ""Turks"") are their similar cultures and languages.

>>1397267

That's my point. All these 'gotcha turks are not turks' people are retarded

The truth nobody wants to say is, no leaders of states actually believe in self-determination.

Ask any Westerner what they'd think if a part of their country wanted to leave.

>>1397267
Off-topic: do phenotypes generally coincide with genotype?

For example, Armenians and Iranians apparently have very distinct genotypes, but are physically almost indistinguishable

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>>1397242
>>1397291
>Implying Turkmen are representative of ancient Turks
Gokturks and Ugyhurs look nothing like Anatolian Turks.

>>1397308

nobody cares about ancient turks though

>>1397302

> Armenians and Iranians apparently have very distinct genotypes

Iranians are as mixed as Turkish people, so you can see various types of phenotypes among Iranians. Some of them may look like Armenians.

>>1397308

>Strawman101

Your image and post got nothing to do with my point.

>Do they have similar languages?
Yes.
>Do they have similar cultures?
Yes.

You are still posting phenotypes and my claim was they are irrelevant since their bonds aren't based on genetics. I think Turkish people got different culture from those Turkic people at Central Asia, but still Turan idea/dream of those Central Asian people are pretty much valid and reasonable. I'm saying this as a non Turkic person that got nothing to do with Turks or Turkic people.

Anyway I'm off to sleep.

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>>1397302
>Armenians and Iranians have distinct genotypes

Not really, Armenians cluster with Iranians, Turks, Kurds, and other South Caucasians.

>>1397479

How reliable is this image? Any info on sample size? I don't want to save unreliable charts on my PC.

>>1396359
Tell that to Assyrians, the only reason Kurdish atrocities and displacements against Christians are overlooked is because they are the new sweetheart of the west.

Just as west overlooked at the Turkish atrocities but suddenly began to talk shit about them when erdogan dared to disobey their orders

>>1397267

The point is that Turkish culture and Turkic cultures are not even similar.
One is sedentary, one is nomadic. One is agrarian, the other pastoral.
One was historically united under a form of government continued from the Greek times, the other was historically disunited under various rulers.

TL;DR the 'bonds of culture and language' are weak as fuck.

>>1397298

>I believe this so everyone else secretly does

Good ane.

>>1397105
>No amount of steppe worship will erase their true origins.
Except their language.

And the fact that the Meme Empire of theirs was built by descendants of Steppenigs and whose identity their nationalists build on.

It's the retards who focus on race one must worry about.
>Hey you're genetically greek! You cant be Turk.
>Let us ignore that long lasting Muslim Empire built by those Turkish Speaking Horsefuckers

>>1396359
>Kurds require Christians to give up their weapons in exchange for defense
>Christians give them weapons
>Kurds run away as a bunch of bitches, leaving Christians without any sort of defense
Fuck Kurds

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>>1398881
>And the fact that the Meme Empire of theirs was built by descendants of Steppenigs and whose identity their nationalists build on.
Wrong.jpg.

The rulers of the Ottoman Empire saw themselves as...Ottoman. As refined Muslim Gentlemen.

For them "Turk" means "Filthy Central Asian Horse Nomad."

It is a recurring theme among some other Turkic Founded Empires. Check out Mughals
>Turks? Mongols? Fuck no, I am a good, Muslim noble who dabbles in what I consider high culture (Islamic Persia)
>And stop calling me Mongol, filthy Poo Hindustanis.

>>1398881

You keep saying 'built'. They didn't 'build' an empire, they conquered one and then ran its institutions fairly similarly to how they had previously been run.
Hence why its a meme empire in the first place.

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>>1396277
>Why is Turkey so triggered by the existence of Kurds?

Not sure, but how do they feel about whey?

>>1398894
>Being autistic with words.
Also the Ottoman Empire was fairly unique among Steppenig founded Empires for not collapsing overnight like typical Nomadic-Founded Empires.

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>>1396277

WE WUZ

>>1398898

>difference between creating institutions and taking over their function is autism

Fuck off to /pol/, memer, you clearly aren't suited to this subject.
It didn't collapse because it was basically the empire that had been there beforehand run by a new Muslim dynasty, they said that themselves.

>>1396359
Who the fuck came up with Turkic mythology?

Jesus fucking Christ

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>>1396359
>Germans hate Turks

Good meme.

>>1396277
Why are Europeans so triggered by refugees?? o muslim immigrants???

1. there were around 1-2 million kurdsi n 1923
2. there are 15+ million kurds in turkey today
3. they keep breeding and breeding, taking over more land
4. they tend to be terrorists blowing shit up
5. honor killing
6. fgm
7. incest
8. child marriage
9. tribal society

do i need to go on?

>>1398902
>Also the Ottoman Empire was fairly unique among Steppenig founded Empires for not collapsing overnight like typical Nomadic-Founded Empires.

What the Byzantine Empire? Whose writ ran only in Constantinople, bits of Greece and Anatolia? I dont recall this empire having the jurisdictions of the levant (lost to other Muslims), the Balkans (lost to various Europeans). Much less Egypt or North Africa.

If anything, the Ottoman Empire is made out of multiple kingdoms, empires, and tiny principalities.

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After WW1, Ataturk took Woodrow Wilson's reccomendation for homogenous nation-states to heart and said, "ok, EVERYONE in Turkey is a Turk now. This ran directly in opposition to the existence of Coptic Greeks and Armenians, who, as we know, were dealt with through forced removal and outright extermination (which the Kurds helped with; in fact much of Turkish Kurdistan is the old Armenian area of Turkey). The Kurds, while at least Muslim, speak a Persian language, which also ran counter to this. So Ataturk called them "mountain Turks" and banned Kurdish from being spoken, even in private.

Add to that the fact that during the cold war the main Kurdish independence group, the PKK was communist, and it all starts to make sense.

>>1399013
>So Ataturk called them "mountain Turks"
source?
>and banned Kurdish from being spoken, even in private.
everything non turkish was not allowed

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>>1399013

>mfw his adopted half armenian half turkish daughter was the first female combat pilot and she bombed kurds

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>>1399030
Didn't some reporter get assassinated for bringing the fact that she was an Armenian orphan to light?

>>1399049
thats not proof that ataturk called him that

>>1399073
Ohhhh sorry, I should've been more specific. No clue if he personally referred to them as that, although I can only assume considering his government did.

>>1399054

It happened way way after he said she might be Armenian. Probably Grey Wolves militas decide to chimp out for some reason.

I hate how Anatolia across history had such a rich diversity of interesting cultures, and they were replaced by one single one that has become horribly backwards and often genocidal.

>>1396455
Even if it did kurds are the poorest people in turkey they won't have any real political power.

>>1399231

Blame Islam honestly. Just look at Egypt.

>>1399013
Ataturk came in power after the genocides so fuck off.

>>1399253
>He wasn't a huge political and military figure or anything

>>1399251
Was genocide a recurring thing in the Ottoman empire? I'm only really aware of the genocides of the early 20th century.

Given that Kurds make up a substantial group of western-backed fighters in modern syria and iraq, after ISIS go away will they have enough claim to form a state?

>>1399308

The term genocide was a 20th century thing, so I don't think we can call massacres before 20th century as genocides. Else we'd have a huge war crime list for nearly all of relevant empires.

>>1399315

Their state would be in civil war 24/7 because of their tribe leaders/landlords would want to have absolute power. Not even mentioning KRG and PKK/YPG hate each other and their political party HDP trying to be the new biggest player while standing in middle of those 2 groups. At least one of those 3 groups must lose to give Kurdistan some stability and It won't happen without spilling shittons of blood. Oh I forgot Wahabbist Kurdish Hezbollah which is pretty relevant too.

And they would be landlocked and surrounded by enemies. Politically and Georgraphically It would be really hard for them to survive and sustain.

>>1399308
Nope.jpg.

Ottomans love massacres, but only as tools for reprisals, not to wipe out a whole race.

Which is genocide.

>>1399251
The Fatamids and Ayyubids/Mamluks and Muhammad Ali Pasha were badass desu

>>1399343
Many Like Barzani understand this and want peaceful Relations with Turkey and Baghdad
Its mainly the Communists who have a populist attitude to foriegn relations who would destroy Kurdistans economy

>>1399358

I don't know what will happen next m8 but I hope they fix their shit. I find Barzani side the smartest and the most realistic one of all of them.

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>>1396277
Why the fuck do the kurd think Zaza are kurdish? We are not

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>>1399593

kurds are we wuz everyone people >>1398901

>>1396277
I'm a Turk and depends on the kurd.

Kurds are literally our mexicans. With the exception that 5% of those 10 million kurds are commie militants.

>>1399834

I'm a Turkish citizen of Creten descent, I'm not a big fan of Turks, but Kurds are way shit tier to be compared to Mexicans in America. Mexicans do not blow themselves in bus stops.

>>1398912

it's like Romus and Remus except with 60% more furfaggotry

>>1399324
When does it stop being a massacre and become a genocide anyway? Is it the numbers or a percentage of the total number, or is it about the intentions of the people? Can we call fuckups like holomodor genocide?

>>1400782
Intentions. Like the removal/extermination of the People.

Which was never really a thing by the Ottoman Empire, but of the Turkish Nationalists. Whenever Ottomans massacred you, it was because you rebelled and needed to be bonked in the head hard.

Not an apologist, it's still a shit thing to do to people.

>>1400797
>Not an apologist, it's still a shit thing to do to people.

Well when you look at it from todays point of view yes but back in the day shit was normal and maybe even humane, even the old testament has shit that says "genocide the ill makers" or something like that.

>>1396277
i know right Disgusting turks
Not supporting barbarian communists

>>1400750
That means There's quite a lot of furfaggotry within the story of Romus and Remus if they got about 62,5% as much furfaggtrory as a story involving the creation of a whole race of otherkin

>>1400782

I find the war crime "genocide" similar to agreements that a nation signs after losing a war. That's what happened at Nazi Germany, It's true that they killed shittons of Jews, but it was the first time that those slaughters named as genocide since victor prepares the "agreement" and loser has to sign it. Americans won't like it but we could call Amerindian slaughters as genocide too, but since Americans are politcally, economically, militarily too strong that can do whatever they want. I may seem like a butthurt anti American, but I'm not. I know winner sets the rules and I understand it.

Whether it's a genocide or not, Turkey would be already giving reperations or even clay to Armenia if they were weaker. In reality no any politicians care about people that got slaughtered or something.

>>1400868
Well the armenians are trying their damn hardest to make it a genocide, just last week or so germany passed a law that accepted the armenian genocide, fucking germany with their 2+ million turks.

>>1396277
Keep in mind, a lot of that is CLAIMED territory, where Kurds are not always the majority population. I think a Kurdistan should exist, but probably not so big. Start with Iraqi and Syrian territories. Forget about Iran and Armenia giving anything up. The thing is a Kurdish state would be insta-enemies with Turkey. Probably a client state of America though.

>>1400884

I know, their diasporas are way more active on this matter compared to Turkish diaspora which is known for it's uselessness. Also "opressed" minorities evolve on this matters pretty quickly, see Jews.

But even the entire world recognizes it as genocide, it's still up to Turkey. The term "genocide" just became a completely political thing.

>Meanwhile Israel aka "genocide experts" doesn't even recognize it as genocide since they got huge deals with Azerbaijan.

Anyway, if Armenia wants their genocide to be recognized, they should be way stronger politically, militarily and economically. Or Turkey should be weaker. Else nothing will change for both sides.

>>1400868
No, you couldn't call the Amerindian slaughter genocide.

The vast majority was disease, it happened over several centuries, there was no central government and there was no systematic plan to exterminate all natives once and for all.

The Ottoman Empire on the other hand had a systematic plan on how to exterminate all Armenians living in their lands and they did it through an active effort using resources like trains, successfully killing or displacing almost all Armenians in a matter of about 3 years. That's genocide and a massacre of that scale is not possible without modern resources hence why it doesn't make sense to classify anything before the industrial revolution as genocide.

>>1399231
>I hate how The Americas across history had such a rich diversity of interesting cultures, and they were replaced by one single one that has become horribly backwards and often genocidal.

>>1399251
>Blame Christianity honestly. Just look at Peru.

>>1399324
The problem is that, yes "genocide" as we know it became a thing during WW2, it happened all the time in the old world. But how do you tell a Jew in 1970 that they were a victim of genocide and an Armenian in 1970 that they weren't? Is the cutoff point where that becomes unacceptable somewhere in the 1930's? It gets blurry.

>>1397242
Well definitely on the brown side, would be taken for a gypsy where I live, but a few slim cuties in the crowd. Not bad I guess.

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Be hones, /his/. You just bring up their existence to trigger cockroaches.

>>1400922
Wind+sun does that to you.

>>1399343
>Wahabbism is Sunni
>Hezbollah is Shia
>Kurds tend not to be "Islamic" enough for Arab Sunnis

Are you just using scary sounding terms or is there an actual significant sect of Kurds that are into extremist Islam?

>>1400900
Not true though considering the example of American "Genocide" is the Trail of Tears, which, while I agree gets blurry genocide-wise, is the forced removal of a certain population knowing that a large amount of them will die. This is essentially the same as the forced removal of Armenians.

>>1400930
Well- yes. The Turks tend to be the only people in the world to get mad. To be clear, I'm not Turkish and consider it genocide, but the question remains, when did the genocide buzzer sound? We can't consider ancient stuff genocide, yes, but what year do we put the starting point?

>>1400900

>The vast majority was disease, it happened over several centuries, there was no central government and there was no systematic plan to exterminate all natives once and for all.

Nazis were saying kinda similar stuff when defending it. I'm not saying Amerindian slaughter is 100% genocide. But switch germany with USA, and switch Amerindians with Jews. Would it be called genocide now?

I'm not symphatetic over any parties, I'm just trying to be objective.

>>1400979
The intent was to actually relocate the natives
> Approximately 2,000-6,000 of the 16,543 relocated Cherokee perished along the way.

The Ottoman Empire on the other hand only used this as a fake motive.
Not only Armenians from the frontline were moved but every person that could be confirmed as Armenian. It started with the execution of intellectuals in Constantinople after all. Armenians from everywhere, not just the Russo-Ottoman border, were deported to the Syrian desert with virtually no supplies. The vast majority died. For the time, this was the most "efficient" way to come close to exterminating all Armenians. Killing more than a million people in a matter of about 3 years from all over Anatolia isn't that easy, especially when the Ottomans weren't nearly fully industrialized yet. Compare that to the trail of tears where only a fraction of the few thousand natives displaced actually died.

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>>1400956

Hezbollah means Soldiers of Allah, so it's not a trademarked brand. It's completely different from Lebanon's Hezbollah.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Hezbollah

>is there an actual significant sect of Kurds that are into extremist Islam?
Kurds living in Turkey are more religious than Turks.

See the poll, HDP is the "leftist" Kurdish party, and even their voters are as religious as AKP voters(There are shittons of AKP voters too). And Kurdish Hezbollah got HÜDAPAR, which is irrelevant as a party but it's voters are completely(literally 100%) wahabbi terrorists that were rampaging around in 90s, very brutal and their torture methods were disgustingly bad, burying people alive, their infamous "pig bond", non stop tortures which cops even could stand watch it, for 60 fucking days non stop torture. Many of them are ISIS, Al Qaeda militants nowadays but they still got shittons of militants waiting.

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>>1401034
>>1400956

Also see pic, It may give you an idea.

>>1401000
It's a fact that most Amerindians died from disease. Nothing to debate.

>>1401031
>Not only Armenians from the frontline were moved but every person that could be confirmed as Armenian.
Wrong, to this day there still is an armenian community in Istanbul. The ones in the west were left alone.

>It started with the execution of intellectuals in Constantinople after all.
they were part of rebel groups/part rebel leaders

>>1401046

Okay, lets say it really happened. Would America pay reperations or give any clay to Amerindians? Again, I'm not saying USA genocided Amerindians, I'm not expert on that matter. I just used an example to show the term "genocide" has become completely a political shitshow.

>>1396337
>relatively autonomous
>dissent isn't tolerated
That's called an autocracy, desufampai.

Kurds are shit because they are overwhelmingly Shafi

>>1401053
>to this day there still is an armenian community in Istanbul

As I said, in a matter of only 3 years it wasn't possible to exterminate all Armenians with the capabilities that the Ottoman Empire had but they got pretty damn close with more than a million killed and several hundred thousands displaced.

>they were part of rebel groups/part rebel leaders
Pure Turkish propaganda
Just as the few thousand Ottoman soldiers that froze to death in the Caucasus mountains because they were wearing summer clothes was blamed on Armenians fighting for Russians somehow. Don't bother posting some meme Turkish sources, I know there are plenty. Unless you're also going to claim the German government recognizes the Armenian genocide knowing full well it's propaganda there's nothing to debate here.

>>1401044
Interesting, a lot of the stuff I know of Kurds is from Gary Brecher, who's brilliant, but sucks the Kurds' dick since he lived in Northern Iraq. But what you said makes sense since he sort of takes the Iraqi Kurds as all Kurds and generalizes at times.

>>1401092
>As I said, in a matter of only 3 years it wasn't possible to exterminate all Armenians with the capabilities that the Ottoman Empire had but they got pretty damn close with more than a million killed and several hundred thousands displaced.
Again, you are just bullshitting our of your ass. You have shown to proof what so ever.

>Pure Turkish propaganda
top lel

>Just as the few thousand Ottoman soldiers that froze to death in the Caucasus mountains because they were wearing summer clothes was blamed on Armenians fighting for Russians somehow.
Yeah, that was enver pasha. And?

>Don't bother posting some meme Turkish sources, I know there are plenty.
Go cry more idiot, you already made yourself look like a fool by claiming all armenians were targeted. And now you are claiming "they would have.. lol, they killed 1 million... and they kept the last 60k+ for later... lol... i dont have proof... lol... they can kill 1 million in such little time... but 60k extra is too much... lol... they can kill so much in the easter parts lol... but 60k+ in the heart of the empire was way too hard lol...

retard

>Unless you're also going to claim the German government recognizes the Armenian genocide knowing full well it's propaganda there's nothing to debate here.
germans are brainwashed, they said they also had a big part in the """genocide""", top lel, their government only exists to make germans feel more bad about themselves, i only pity them, and yes, i agree, there is nothing to debate here but that you are a filthy shill

>>1401103

I lived among Kurds, I don't know much about Iraqi ones since they didn't tell me a lot about them. But I know Kurds here are divided by tribes leaded by megarich landlords both politically and religiously. Also I forgot to mention that Kurdish Naqshibandi(It's different from the actual Naqshibandis) and it's huge influence on Kurds and their tribes. But I have to sleep now, maybe next time if a thread about Naqshis happen.

Good night m8.

>>1401133
T*rk detected.

I wonder if Erdogan has a shadow internet propaganda unit like the Israelis? A century of Turkish propaganda probably makes that unnecessary.

>>1401133
>idiot
>retard
well this conversation turned to shit
no point responding to an underage turk

>>1396337
>relatively autonomous
by force... the PKK has one hell of a stronk grip on that region, revolutionary guard get killed there quite often...

>"wtf is this? you are not wearing a burka!"
>gunfire from the hills
>get dinked
>was pjak fighter
>tfw no paradise

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Bulgarian here. I just want to say that I hate the turks the most.

>>1401157
>o-oh no he called me out for my bullshit on a /his/ board what do i do now :^((((

>>1401159
thats how you talk to shills, you are bullshitting out of your ass and i called you out for it, there is no point responding because you cant literally respond, so keep on crying

>>1400828

they sucked a wolfs' tits and became half wolf, half sons of mars

basically wolfgodkins

>>1396277
The History of the Kurds is the history of being the hardasses of the region, they havent really taken shit from anyone in the last 100 years and tried to establish a indippendant kurdistan numerous times.

Thats why no one really likes them (exept for yezidis but they are pretty related)
also communism...not that popular in the region, exept for a large faction within kurdish politics.

Turkroaches are especially triggerd by Kurds existing, as well as amrmenians and greeks, because it remineds everyone of how many genocides they had to commit for "purely" turkish turkey...

It goes against turkish national identety
>turkish
>muslim
these three groups are only one or none of these things...thats y turkey is this buttmad at them existing...

kamal shill posting ITT

>>1401190
>deport the turks over the years
>turks are the people doing the farming in bulgaria
>bulgaria turns into a shithole with no food
>start importing food from turkey
kek

>>1401270
It's funny because "pure turkish" is the biggest meme anyways. Turkic tribes mixed with Armenians, Greeks, Kurds, Assyrians, Georgians, Bulgarians, Serbs, etc. etc. and somehow anything there is supposedly pure.

>>1401498
no, his post is funny because he keeps going on about how turks are buttmadd about them and them existing while its more so the opposite who is ultra buttmad, his post is even more funny because he is talking literal gibberish, ignoring how kurds were the main force who wiped armenians/assyrians off (as kurds are living on armenian/assyrian land now)