Why do bolshevists and egalitardians always claim to represent

>>1367081
>egalitardians
Stop.

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>>1367081
>farmers
>workers

>The vendeé farmers being slaughtered mercilessly in countless massacres during the french counter-revolution

That was only one part of France. The rebels were the ones who initiated conflict, anyway.

I agree. Actually bolchevists killed and destroyed one serious attempt of an anarchist society.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Territory

So yes, some leftist movements are fake. They only dream of achieving absolute power.

>>1367081
They were not self-critical enough.

It is no difficult task for any genuine intellectual to suppose that they are corruptible and their own ideals have the potential to be abused by dictators and demagogues for propaganda purposes as so many others have, then at least make some effort to prevent this if not devoting chapters to examining corruption and flaws in human nature. Even Ayn Rand had a disdain for the libertarians and anarcho-capitalists that cropped up after her ideals became popular.

However this was absent among the ideologies that circulated among the first international. Naturally they were wary of laying any criticism on the working class whom they needed to gather support from. It explains their success, yet also their failure.

>>1367081
Leftists and Marxists in particular are

1) NOT working class
2) Detest the actual working class

See how libartds mock white working class people.

See how after Brexit some suggested those without a degree and old people should lose their political rights.

The only reason they mention the working class at all is because they have a special palce in the Marxist eschatology, but that role has largely been replaced by so called minorities and gays in the West.

>>1367137
>See how after Brexit some suggested those without a degree and old people should lose their political rights.
Who said this?

>>1367137
>See how libartds mock white working class people.


I'm fairly lefty (and working class), and this is precisely why I hate your typical college liberal.

'White trash' and 'inbred hick' are classist slurs and no better than calling people lazy niggers or dirty spics.

>>1367146
I;m eating now. Google it,

>>1367137
one, liberals aren't marxists or leftists. as a marxist, i do care about the working class. i want to see the working class, which includes myself, you, and likely everyone you know or care about, in a place of economic and social power.

working class means you have to sell your labor for a wage to live from day to day. this applies to a vast majority of people in society, including likely yourself. most marxists are working class because most people are working class.

>>1367137
modern marxists, the khmer rouge and soviets often had working class backgrounds

>>1367156
No, you back up your claim

>>1367185
Get fucked marxist cunt.

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>>1367137
>liberal pundits are Marxists
holy shit read a book nigger

>>1367190
Someone tell Hiroshima to nuke this board, it was a mistake to think there could ever be intelligent discussion.

>>1367162
Soviets didn't start electing workers to face them til after stalin, and brevzh was an obvious puppet

>>1367190
You're moronic.

>>1367200
>>1367413
Since that homo is busy shoving spaghetti up his ass or whatever I'll do his dirty work

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/eu-referendum-old-people-should-not-vote
http://www.vice.com/en_au/read/brexit-proves-baby-boomers-should-get-less-of-a-vote?utm_source=vicefbanz&utm_campaign=global
https://star.txstate.edu/2016/03/09/why-people-over-the-age-of-65-should-not-be-allowed-to-vote/

Couldn't find articles about the lack of degrees, but there was a lot of articles where they made fun of this claim. I also had some Leftist friends say to me 'People without degrees shouldn't have been able to vote' but that's just hear say so not worth much.

>>1367434

You can't really be autistic enough to think that's meant literally. It's just a joke about the demographics voting to fuck themselves over. Also, the EU is a free trade organization, the opposite of "leftist."

>>1367813
Pretty sure those aren't jokes, they are pretty devoid of self-awareness. Most of them end with a call to action to 'reform' democracy.

And the EEC did that perfectly fine. The EU was an unnecessary step for a simple Trade Organization.

>>1367081
>Why do bolshevists and egalitardians always claim to represent "the working class" when it fact it's always been workers and farmers that have suffered the most throughout leftist reigns in history?

Because Marx was inherently reactionary in his creation of Marxism, creating an economic ideal that was in direct response to the suffering he saw around him by the working class at the hands of the upper classes

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>>1367855
>Marx was inherently reactionary

>>1367857
Apologies, I misused that word. I mean his viewpoint was in direct response to what he saw at his time and place, so the worker became paramount.

I don't mean to say he was a political conservative that resisted change.

>>1367193
Many self-identified Marxists today see sexual minorities and women as the true revolutionary class.

>>1367986

but that's wrong, how would they seize the means of production if they never worked as a part of it

Well gee OP that's just fantastic. I just love how this is a violation of the "/pol/ with dates" rule.

Fuck off and discuss it on /pol/. This isn't a place for political jacking off.

>>1367993
Privilege is considered much more power than the means of production.

>>1368036
>>1368036

Having society say you DESERVE the means of production can lead to you actually controlling the means of production, that is what privilege means in this area.

>>1367081
>Khmer rogue
backed by the US and UK
and invaded by Vietnam to be replaced bt the PRK, Heng Samrin is still seen as a hero today
>kulaks
not the working class, deserve equal responsibility with stalin for the famine
>vendeé
not the working class again, and the french revolution is seen by marxists as the bourgeoisie seizing power from the nobility

>>1368036
>>1367986
Wow Constantine, you actually just helped me realize why I've seen social justice and Marxism appear together recently.

>>1368070
>backed by the US and UK
i don't necessarily doubt you, but some sources would be nice

>>1367081

The vendee farmers were literally led by their ancestral lords who had remained on their lands.

>>1368217
http://www.phnompenhpost.com/national/pol-pot-dilemma