Were neanderthal's super predators? https://www.youtub

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>>1353288
That's a weird picture to use when talking about Neanderthals. Shouldn't it be something more like pic related.

>>1353304

It's the video's description of actual neanderthals

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>>1353304
More like this, our pure ancestors.

>>1353322

See the vid >>1353288

Also if someone can debunk his claims, I'd be glad. I'm not an expert on biology.

>>1353322
>zooms out
>lens shows a short, stout barrel chested subhuman

I'd have to assume he's pretty spot on in his assessment of how Neanderthal looked obviously, but why is their skin so dark? Wouldn't they have lighter skin after evolving in Europe? Wouldn't they need lighter skin to absorb as much UVs as possible?

>>1353288
>Were neanderthal's super predators?

Well since early man apparently killed and ate them all, no?

>>1353450

>early man apparently killed and ate them all

You are wrong

>>1353386
>Species that was on average taller than humans
>short

>>1353466
You mean
>a species that was on average taller than early humans
Which isn't much--even little kids are taller than full grown early humans. A full grown Neanderthal male averaged a little over 5 foot, pham.

I don't really know what to think. He brings up stuff that I can't feel too strongly about when he presents another fact or theory. The end does trip me up though. He gives an impression that Neanderthal's are drastically different from modern humans or Homo Sapiens but claims that Neanderthal's migrated to the the Levent and interbred with humans there. That shouldn't make sense considering Humans in Eurasia or outside of Sub-Saharan Africa all retain some Neanderthal dna which would conflict with his speciation hypothesis on such a scale. Also I can't help but find the depiction of Neanderthal's somewhat unsettling and so inhuman. Maybe it's because it's commonly accepted Neanderthal's in Europe interbred with Homo Sapiens, forming the modern people of Europe which is where my family is from.

>>1353288
>Were neanderthal's super predators?
Aren't modern humans that too?

>>1353338
>I'm not an expert on biology.
And neither is the guy making these claims. He's literally a professional artist with no background in this. That should tell you all you need to know.

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>>1353498
Even manlet early Sapiens were taller than Neanderthals.

>>1353548
Yeah, technically we are the apex predators of the entire planet.

>>1353440
It's almost like people and animals are capable of surviving in Europe with dark skin.

>>1353593
I mean, they'll survive, but they'll get a metric fuckton of rickets.

>>1353595
Only if they don't get the right nutrients in their diet. The Inuit do just fine living around the Arctic circle with darker skin, because they get the vitamins they need from what they eat.

>>1353498
After a short search, it looks like we're both kinda wrong on this.
>A full grown Neanderthal male averaged a little over 5 foot, pham.
Yep, the males apparently averaged 5'4", definitely manlet tier. Point conceded.
>even little kids are taller than full grown early humans
Here's the fun part: apparently cro-magnons (the earliest example of homo sapiens in europe, that was around at the same time as neanderthals) Were about 5'9" on average.
So it looks like humans were the taller ones.
As for little kids being taller than them, are you sure you're not thinking of Australopithecus? They were pretty tiny.

>>1353288
Seems like sensationalist bullshit to me. Europe wasn't a frozen wasteland for the most part, Neanderthals ususally didn't hunt the "most dangerous animals on the planet" but more like deer and shit and recent studies have found that their diet wasn't as reliant on meat as people used to think.
He also makes dubious claims without ever expanding on them or uses suggestive phrasing and imagery to support his theories (e.g. he emphasizes that Neanderthals were primates, as if modern humans aren't). He may make it sound like Neanderthals are closer to apes than to humans and his reconstruction reflects that, but the simple truth is that they were the same genus or even species as us.

>>1353539
Dude, Europeans average 2 or 3% Neanderthal DNA at most and it's theorized that Neanderthal differed from humans genetically by very little. It sounds really stupid to say they formed the modern people of Europe. Neanderthal added a needle into a genetic haystack.

>>1353595
Then how do you explain modern Europe?

>>1353607
Yes, but that's because their diets consist primarily of fish, which is rich in vitamin D. An early human in central Europe, who would be more dependent on terrestrial game, might have a harder time getting that much vitamin D from diet alone.

>>1353628
Uh...maybe because of white skin that absorbs dat dere UVs better than darker skin (which is meant to block out UVs), and consequently produces more Vit. D, you imbecile?

>>1353628
I remember reading somewhere that blacks born in Finland or some shit were getting autism at a crazy rate because they just don't get the sun they need

>>1353628
They're first-generation pham, they came from areas where more sun exposure selects for a tan.
Plus any vitamin deficiencies that could be caused by their skin tone can now be compensated for with nutritional supplements. This removes the selective bias for light skin.
At the same time, the selective bias for dark skin in warmer areas is being removed as well due to the prevalence of sunscreen.

>>1353645
They get rickets at a higher rate too. It's not just blacks in Finland either; it's estimated that 80% of blacks in the US are vitamin D deficient. Luckily for them, cereal companies like general mills have begun to fortify cereal with vital nutrients like calcium and vitamin D primarily for this reason. Kids these days (and neckbeards) never go outside and have trouble getting sufficient levels of vitamin D from their diets alone.

>>1353666
Satan trips confirm

>>1353338
Neither is he. He's made wild claims that neanderthals are radically different from the scientific consensus, which has gained him a lot of popularity amongst the conspiracy and reactionary crowd. But he has no evidence, just empty theories.

>>1353666
What's rickets?

This page blows the video out of the sky

https://outwardbounder.wordpress.com/2012/12/05/why-bug-eyed-furry-neanderthals-are-stupid/

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>>1353685
A leg deformity caused by a chronic deficiency of vitamin D during developmental years.

>>1353685
It's a condition where you have weak and extremely brittle bones due to a lack of vitamin D, which is used by the body to process calcium.

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>>1353579
xD

>>1353645
>>1353666
they also get depressed at a massively inflated rate even compared to native Finns

>>1353625

2-3% in total.

Could be more than that in coding alleles, could be less than that.

We could be effectively 0.01% neanderthal, or effectively 15% neanderthal.

We all know that coding alleles can spread through a population independently.

>>1353635

Hunter-gatherers get enough vitamin D in their diet, and their skin tends to be darker.

Farmers don't, and their skin tends to be lighter.

Tasmania is at about the same latitude as England, but the natives are far darker. The difference is that in England they have been farming for thousands of years, in Tasmania they never farmed (intensively).

>>1353724
Kek, saved.

White humans are domesticad version of humans.
Kinda like soviets tried(withsucess) domesticate foxes and the new human friedly foxes(seleced for breeding based on behavior) showed morphology changes. Skull and 'face' changes, fur color changes especialy on head, even mating behaviour changes.

>>1353888
>Calling a subspecies that evolved naturally domesticated

wew lad

>>1353888
All humans are, really. Archaic homo-sapiens look nothing like modern homo-sapiens. Not sure, but I'm pretty sure that's why all humans today are called homo-sapiens sapiens instead of just homo-sapiens.

>>1353904
>subspecies

Ohmagawd, take your cancerous notions back to your containment board.

>>1353929
>being this triggered by terminology

>>1353904
>implying that they 'evolved' naturally
Jokes aside.
The fox domestification showed that changes can happen in really short time(4 generations of foxes) and it could happen under heavy stress presure(as domesticated foxes were the ones tht were more adapted to deal with stress caused by humans and cages).

>>1353929
So what you want call them, races?

>>1353288

No.


'Demons' from mythology are other humans. Not one specific sub-species, just other humans. Certainly some myths are based on non-homo sapiens who survived through oral transmission, most are based on homo sapiens remembered as demons.

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>>1353939
You didn't apply the terminology correctly, so yes, triggered.

Homo-sapiens Idatu is our only discovered sub-species, and he's believed to have diverged from modern humans around 100,000 to 195,000 years ago.

>>1353950
Well, that word's there for a taxonomical reason.

>>1353961
Or aliens.

>>1353975
Not even aliens can penetrate the firmament.

>>1353973
**taxonomic

>>1353984
What if aliens are justmore advanced humans from preflood human civilization?(or even beyond time).

>>1354011
That actually makes sense. Maybe the remaining ones hid underground with all of the technology the managed save. Maybe our mythical figures like Prometheus and Lucifer--and their banishments and punishments--are these advanced pre-flood humans.

>>1353288
he says that they would have to have not looked like humans but, that makes no sense because there is still neandertal genetics in modern humans so they must have resembled us enough for there to have been no reproductive isolation and for humans so actually mate with them. Telling from the pic related and the reconstructions shown in the vid, I don't think any human would have wanted to mate with that thing.

>>1353322
>Homo Neanderthalensis
> The ancestor of homo sapiens
They are as much our ancestor as chimps are

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>>1354031
>They are as much our ancestor as chimps are
DELETE THIS

>>1354037
Holy shit I want a Neanderthal shota.

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>>1354046
No.

>>1354029
>Implying consensual interbreeding
>implying they had to have looked the same as us to have been able to interbreed with us

He theorizes that our inherited Neanderthal genetics are from rape, brah. Watch the entire video.

>>1354037
These ragged furs on them.
>implying that all of them shouldn't be eitheir completly naked and hairy or having nice well cut clothes from soft leather
>>1354028
What if these flood events were actually not long ago and not only crushed civilization but also put enough stress on humans to cause changes in morpholgy?

>>1354077
This does raise another question tho :

If neanderthals looked like literal monsters as he compares them in the end to vampires trolls etc
Then the rape babies surely looked like monsters too ?
How come humans kept baby monsters around instead of genociding all of them ?

>>1354077
So what happened to these superior hnters and thei rape harems?
What happned to the rape babies? Killed or exiled?
What if they get exiled and then move deeper into human teritories at the point where their blood were dilluted enough and some ofthem lead humans back?
Mixing wih lessser races is bad.

>>1354121
>>1354128

Rape babbies kept breeding with homo sapiens and other rape babbies, so "monster genes" got lesser and lesser.

>>1354108
>What if these flood events were actually not long ago and not only crushed civilization but also put enough stress on humans to cause changes in morpholgy?
What do you mean ?
This is a very interesting subject t b h but i don't know where to go read about it

>>1354121
Either females get abducted and have no choice but care about thei spawn or maybe
>martiarchy
it was female neanderthals who were hunters and abduct male humans for fun and as food rations.
Partiarchy was a face of humans who fight againts gencociding and ensaving martiarchy of neanderthals

>>1353288
>cannibalism is bad
Anon Europe is the most terrible place to be a hunter gatherer since there is hardly any game meaning you need brains to track down and analyze the feeding behavior of all the species or you die hence why you see no blacks in Europe, however logically speaking it makes more sense to hunt something that has alot of mass like another neanderthal for example because its the best bet against starvation.

>neanderthal intensifies

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/this-day-in-jewish-history/.premium-1.634009

>>1354146
Worlds in Collision E. Velikovsky
or you can look at Electric Universe
Some of this is kinda silly(like that Earth and some other planets were initially Saturn satelities) but I like the idea of planetary electrical scarring or idea of dynamic solar system.
It could well explain Fermi paradox - the solar system are more dynamic and changes in body realtions and solar activity just wipe out or break down civilizations before they can leave their own planets or systems.

>>1354147
>Matriarchy
Neanderthal's apelike appearance compared to us is because of their higher testosterone levels so there is no way in hell a neanderthal male would ever obey a female at all.

>>1354211

How does that follow?

You know that neanderthal brains reacted like that to testosterone?

>>1354211
Exactly. So martiarchy would be abducting weaker humans to keep them as fuck slaves.
Trolls and vampires - neanderthal females on pms.
Neanderthals going their own way. And they domesticated some humans and keep human waifus.

>>1354147
Nice fantasy but there is no neanderthal mitochondrial DNA. They were the bulls.

>>1354261
Look here >>1354243 for explanation.
of course martiarchy fall.
On the other hand male Neanderthals domesticated humans and you get whites.

>>1354364
Post your fetish fan fiction somewhere else.

>>1354389
Actually it could sell pretty well.
Just need some women who will use their name and face.

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>>1353570
>>1353679

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>>1353322

>>1354011
>>1354028
no. they are time-travelling historians and other scientists from future.

>>1354433
>the relationship between 4chan and Reddit in a nutshell

>>1353628
fail logic huh?

>>1353322
>our ancestors
WE

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>>1353288

But were neanderthal chicks THICC?

Pic unrelated, it's a skinny cro-magno

>>1354072
Yes.

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>tfw you will never partake in a gangrape of newly captured human wimmin

>that ending

waht a twist

Anyone remember in that movie Evolution when the aliens evolve into Apes? That's what these Neanderthals remind me of. Shit used to creep me out when I was younger.

>>1353593

Even to this day black people get vitamin D deficiencies during the winter in Europe.

Yeah you never hear about it because it makes liberal retards feel uncomfortable. But google it.

>>1354031
http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/genetics/ancient-dna-and-neanderthals/sequencing-neanderthal-dna

"Neanderthals have contributed approximately 1% to 4% to the genomes of non-African modern humans. "

>>1353607
>>1353593
>>1353440
Inuit tan well. This is because they are exposed to plenty of sunlight - snow and ice are very reflective surfaces. It's why people who ski a lot become tan - because of the albedo. Ice Age Europe would've been though on naked full whiteys.

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>>1353288
Do you think their males bred with our women or did our males breed with their women?
Since we are allegedly more African I would say the latter is more likely.
>tfw neanderthals were raped out of existence

>>1353288
Scary.

It's more likely that we are afraid of the dark because of big cats, though. Those may still hunt humans up to this day and are just about the most dangerous megafauna (apart from other humans) if you go by humans killed.

>>1353288
Hey, big noses are useful in cold climates!

>>1353645
That's because they are living in Finland.

>>1356628
>and are just about the most dangerous megafauna
Don't hippos kill way more people than big cats?

>>1356724
Guess you are right. I was thinking of an info graphic I had with top 4 dangerous animals but I can't find it.

>>1353310

That's not what they looked like at all. The guy that wrote that book and makes those videos is a quack.

Neanderthals were shorter and more stalky than homosapians at the time. That guys trying to sell them as some giant nightmarish creature. They simply weren't. Homo sapiens were more intelligent, larger, more organized and more dangerous.

>>1356628

afraid of the dark because we can't see, and we're visual creatures mostly.

There's any number of reasons we'd be afraid of limited vision when living in the wild. The cats, spiders, all sorts of nocturnal hunters, bears, or even just fear of stepping on a sleeping stag or something.

this video is complete crap. not the least bit scientific

>>1356758
to be fair big cats are among our most dangerous predators.
Hippos kill people, but they don't really hunt them. Yet.

>>1353929
>All humans are, really. Archaic homo-sapiens look nothing like modern homo-sapiens. Not sure, but I'm pretty sure that's why all humans today are called homo-sapiens sapiens instead of just homo-sapiens.

Just look at Australian aboriginals, they are supposed to be Homo sapiens sapiens, yet they look nothing like us. They should be very close to archaic H. sapiens.

>>1356823
>They should be very close to archaic H. sapiens.

They are more distant from niggers than we are and we know niggers are closer to unevolved monkeys than us, so no, they souldn't be closer to archaic H.Sapiens.

>>1356765
Homo sapiens was taller but more delicately built.

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>>1356509
I think it was the other way around. They cucked us, but they felt the impact of their actions.

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>>1354870

>>1354031
>he is African without superior Neanderthal genes.

>>1353288
No. That video is full of arbitrary baseless shit.
You can tell by their skulls they didn't have that facial structure. And why would they have feline eyes?

>>1354870
Depends what you mean. They may have had wide hips but their rib cages were a different shape to ours, they got wider near the bottom, so I doubt they would be able to get an hourglass figure.

A lot of it seems like guesswork tbqh senpai

>>1357888
Anon thats a pre-hominid primate you stupid fuck.

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>>1354077
it goes both ways. Why would Neanderthal mate with pic related when he can fuck some hairy monster qt?

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>>1353288
>implying profile of chimpanzee and neanderthal fits extremely well
>implying neanderthals weren't closer to modern humans than to other apes
>implying cromagnos weren't cannibals
>implying neanderthals stealing our women isn't some weird cuck fantasy

>>1358456
>stealing
No anon they beat the shit out of us and took our women.

>>1354261
>Nice fantasy but there is no neanderthal mitochondrial DNA.

https://anthropology.net/2016/04/09/modern-males-lack-neanderthal-y-chromosome-genes/

>They were the bulls.

Insofar as we slaughtered them like cattle.

>>1358016
No it isn't its a mock up of a Neanderthal. Did you not watch the video or pay attention to the thread.

You are the stupid fuck. Think before you post.

It seems like some dumb shock value shit

>>1353724
>Three snowflake melt into cave painting and glaciation and he give you this look

>>1356765

>Homo sapiens were more intelligent

It's not 100% certain yet

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/apr/30/neanderthals-not-less-intelligent-humans-scientists

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/8898321/Neanderthals-were-too-smart-for-their-own-good.html

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red pill me on boskop man

>>1359125
He was a big guy

>>1359130

would like to meme with you but they were ayy lmao tier short

>>1359125

http://discovermagazine.com/2009/the-brain-2/28-what-happened-to-hominids-who-were-smarter-than-us

>>1359133
>>1359125
>>1359137

so basically this confirms aliens are ancient humanoids who were far more intelligent and evolved than us right? holy shit pham

>>1359130
For you

>>1354037
i want to see more of those qt neanderthal sqauws in the background

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>>1357735

>>1356765
Actually it's quite likely that the neanderthals were more intelligent, but they likely had a longer maturation period and the homos literally outbred them.

Remind you of anything?

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>>1353288
thanks for the reaction image op

>>1359929
Get on that scrubber discipline chump

>>1359830
Actually, it's possible but not necessarily likely they were more intelligent. Having a large brain case is not the same as being more intelligent. Don't use shit like that to support your own racialist narratives, it's bad form.

>>1359950
>implying I'm a retard

I know full well that cranial capacity=/= smarter, it's just what I've read

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Pretty sure his guy is a retard, since he has no scientific background whatsoever.

That said I still want to read his book because it sounds like it would be my fetish.

It hasn't shown up on the usual places fr pirating books though, and I don't want to give him money.

>>1353625
A 3 to 5% needle haystack is not one I'd like to sit on.

>>1354237
While this is a fair question on a species to species scale, neanderthals were so close to us that the function of testosterone couldn't have been radically different.

>>1354870
This image triggers me.
Why the fuck is she laying bare skin on a pile of leaves? That's bullshit. Clearly she has a concept of furs as she is wearing them.
Why isn't she wearing a fur cloak to lay down on and not the dirt and sharp rock filled ground?
That image isn't sexy at all just frustrating.

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>>1355158
Reminds me equally of the Descent (the book, not the movie.)
>prehistoric hominid takes different evolutionary path than humans
>in the time that they developed, non-human is a hyper-intelligent, hyper-rape-y super predator
>both considered to be the origins of monsters, demons, etc.
>both characterized by lazy pigmentation changes and heavy animalistic features of the monsters

>>1353288
>Were neanderthal's super predators?

no

it has been disproved numerous times

the guy is a fraud and disappeared right after genetic evidence was published that humans and female Neanderthals mixed