>be samurai >train since childhood >get shot by some

>>1295763
Samurais already used guns by the the time of the Boshin war.

>>1295804
Which makes them kinda pointless doesn't it? Why have samurai when you can have ashigaru who do the same shit?

>>1295850
I'd assume this is true, but samurai will have higher morale and their armor will stop a ball at long distance. May as well use them.

>>1295850
Because people who have trained a few weeks need officers to recruit and command them.

The command structure in most han was often based on local land owners rather than a well organized military system. At the very least samurai were needed to lead men and perform administrative functions in the army. Calvary would also be composed of ranking men.

many ashigaru were professional or semi professionals themselves, and many joined the lower samurai ranks or the middle ranks between peasants and samurai after the social classes were hardened.

>>1295850
professional soldiers also trained at command and close combat

>>1296030
How often did they even engage in close combat?

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>>1295850

So people using guns are obsolete because of other people using the same guns?

Getting rid of a costly military caste is a plus

>>1296058
based on memory, about 35% to 40% of wounds in the later battles were from melee weapons. That is spears, swords and everything in between. Bows and guns combined were about 60%

>>1295850
>Why do we need Navy SEALs when we have army grunts?

>>1296085
What about artillery?

>>1295850

> he thinks Samurai is a type of soldier and not a social
class

>>1296103
They were not included in the figures that I can remember so I am not sure

>>1295850
Go back to total war.

>>1296126
they were still trained for doing tasks befitting to their status

Old timey firearms were so innacurate and took so long to reload they were only practical when used at formations or behind fortifications and palisadesn not to mention they were sorely lacking on penetration power when compared to modern-day ones. Most of the time, a sufficiently strong cavalry charge or basic zerg-rushing was enough to completely disrupt an enemy firing squad.
Just to further illustrate, cavalry charges were used against firearms up until the napoleonic wars. That's how effective they were.

>>1296296
this

>>1296296
memes all around in this post

>>1295763
>be jihadi
>train since childhood
>get shot by some american negro who trained with his gun for 2 months

why do you think flintlocks replaced longbows even though longbows are theoretically more effective?