Historically, what were the major differences between Ashkenazi

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>>1284218

>>1284218
Ashkenazi like to poison wells, kidnap children, promote communism, lie about genocide, degenerate europe, promote immigration, and produce pornography, Sephardi are like them but more swarthy, that's all I know but I'm interested in learning more about their culture

What exactly are Shepardi Jews? I know what Ashkenazi Jews and where they're from but who are the Shepardi? Are they Jews who stayed in the Mediterranean?

Sephardim are much more lax even in their orthodoxy. Frum Ashkenazim love to be perceived as the most devout by making stupid shit up like Kitniyot.

Ashis make the assumption that they are the definitions of Judaism and jewry and everyone else deviates with their "lazy" warm weather traditions.

Both are kinda crap to me but they run the rest of us.

To start this off, both Sephardi and Ashkenazi Jews viewed each other as basically cousins from the same kin. They were geographically separated groups with various admixtures from local intermarriage whose origins are closely tied to periods of migration before and after the diaspora started centuries ago.

Sephardi Jews were from Spain and N Africa and retained much of the Mediterranean culture and aesthetics of early Judaism. There are differences in customs and pronunciation of certain Hebrew words between Sephardi and Ashkenazi, but as far as theological, many significant Jewish scholars were Sephardi whose influence was widespread. The easiest explanation for Sephardic origin was the large number of Jewish slaves in the Roman Empire as well as travelling merchants. This places Sephardi Jews ahead of Ashkenazi in some ways as they were already well established in Mediterranean society BEFORE Judea was destroyed and the Diaspora officially began.

After the expulsion in 1492, many Sephardi Jews fled to North Africa, where they picked up Berber and Islamic customs, bridging the gap with Mizrahi (Arabic Jews) already present. Some Sephardis made it to the Americas in the 16th century escaping the Inquisition, while others merged back with Ashkenazis living in central Europe. Southern Europe was typically Sephardic, while from Germany eastwards Jews were Askhenazi.

Sephardi Jews spoke Ladino, basically medieval Spanish with Hebrew characters, while Ashkenazis spoke Yiddish, basically Middle German with Hebrew. Mizrahis spoke Hebrew, Arabic or Aramaic, which was still spoken among the various non-Arabic minorities living in the Middle East.

Ashkenazi Jews are literally the Aryan race of Jews.

Ashkenazi Jews have historically possessed the most power in Israel despite a growing majority of Israeli Jews being Sephardi/Mizrahi. They are also the most wealthy and influential in religious aspects (Jews Jewing Jews). Fortunately (or unfortunately, if you subscribe to "white genocide" hysteria), brown skinned Levantine/Mediterranean Israeli Jews are rapidly outbreeding pale European Askenazi Jews. All part of the greater Jewish plot to exterminate the white race :^)

>But /pol/ told me Jews aren't white!

I got a DNA ancestry test done on my blond haired Ashkenazi Khazar Slav Jew self
>88% (seig heil) European
>12% Near Eastern (oy)

According to tumblr, that makes me white and I have white privledge, but especially over other Jews.

>>1284218
From my experience difference is Ashkenazis are genuinely horrible people and Sephardics are based and laid back

>>1284300
>making stupid shit up like Kitniyot.
This makes me rage having grown up with Jewish customs. Passover was hell since I was raised with the bullshit that anything with corn syrup, preservatives or gluten was forbidden - things the ancient Hebrews had no knowledge of and are far from "leavened" bread. They then make you buy the gross expensive Kosher for Passover version of these products. Its a Jewish conspiracy I tell you.

>>1284438
It's almost as if European genetics are superior to goatfucker genetics

>>1284492
>Ashkenazis are genuinely horrible people and Sephardics are based and laid back
Haredim are literally the ISIS of Jews. Not gonna bash the rest of Ashkenazi Jewry because I am one but you are basically correct, I hate more Ashkenazi Jews than I like. Sephardim can be cool but they can also be sleazy Italian slimeballs. If Mizrahim and Palestinians are genetic brothers, than Islam must truly be fucked because Arab Mizrahi are the nicest, most chill Jews with the best food and customs. I don't think I have ever seen a Mizrahi get angry and blow up a bus, must be the Islam.

>>1284515
Kek, and Jewish genetics are superior white genetics. Success breeds jealousy. Just look at the IQ test charts /pol/ likes to spam, Ashkenazi jews are carrying white's scores. Whites only victory is being better than niggers and mexicans.

>>1284257
In effect, yes.

Sephardim lived in Spain for several centuries, before being expelled in the 15th century. Most of them fled to North Africa (particularly Tunisia and Egypt), but substantial numbers of Spanish settled in England, the Netherlands, and Italy.

Most American Jews, before the influx of German Jews in the 1850s and Russian Jews in the 1890s, were English Sephardim. The oldest synagogue in New York City (ironically a modern-day mecca of Ashkenazi culture) is Sephardi.

Judah P. Benjamin, Emma Lazarus, and Benjamin Cardozo are great examples of the English Sephardim who arrived in America much earlier than the Ashkenazi migrants, but left a substantial mark on US history.

>>1284300
Aren't Sephardim considered "more spiritual" or whatever? Ie, closer to God, even if less observant than Ashkenazi Orthodox.

>>1284341
What Mizrahi community existed outside of Egypt and the Levant? I had no idea there was a medieval or ancient tradition of Jewish habitation along the North African coast.

>>1285616
I think Bukharian Jews can be considered Mizrahi, Georgian Jews (they had/have communities that dated back to the fall of the 1st temple) Persian Jews

>>1285616
How the fuck do you quantify being spiritual based on ethnic group

ashkenazi and sefardis bothbshare the same roman-era converts ancestry. their dna is veey similar and they differentiate from babylonian jews who descend from israelites

although both come from roman converts. sefardis remained in italy and spain, while aahkenazis split to form huge communities in germania.

and many ahskenazis actually are crypto-sefardis, since sefards sought refuge in ashkenazic communities after their explusion from spain.

tldr aahkenazis are sefards who are themselves italians

>>1285631
boho (buharyan) and giorjis are babylonian jews they have no ancestral connection with sefards and ashkenazis who are roman converts

yh

>>1285643
I'm talking about perception

>>1285661
This is really stupid on so many levels.

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>>1284341
>mfw ladino literally means cunning and mischievous in spanish

>>1285644
>>1285569
>>1284534

>Ashkenazies are Sephardic Jews who migrated north and adopted Yiddish
>ashkenazi jews also mixed with berber/spanish converts (sephardic)


http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4807687,00.html

based on a DNA test, part of Netanyahu family is descended from Berbers who converted to Judaism

>Benjamin Netanyahu, who everyone was certain was a "pure" Ashkenazi, revealed Tuesday that part of his family tree hails from Berber tribes

Netanyahu explained this by saying, "my brother, Ido, is a writer and physician. People who write family trees based on DNA tests approached him. Their thesis was that Lithuanian Jews, and we are from a Lithuanian family who were descendants of the Vilna Gaon, have Berber roots."

Indeed, Ido Netanyahu had his saliva tested, and the test revealed that part of Netanyahu's family are of Sephardic ancestry.


>Low German. (Low Saxon), formerly used as the vernacular by Sephardim around Hamburg and Altona in Northern Germany, is also no longer in use as a specifically Jewish vernacular.
>According to Rabbi David Kimchi (1160–1235), in his commentary on Obadiah 1:20, Ṣarfat and Sepharad, both, refer to the Jewish captivity (Heb. galut) expelled during the war with Titus and who went as far as the countries Alemania (Germany)
>(Circa 1400s-1800s) Once Sephardics arrived in the Netherlands, Italy, northern Germany, England, Poland, Belarus and southern Russia, did they rejoin the Jewish (Ashkenazi) community

http://chelm.freeyellow.com/sefardiclublin.html

>>1285569
I thought American Jewry started in Rhode Island where they came along with the slaves.

>>1286817
actually started much earlier in Brazil and Carribeans, Curacao

also Cristobal Colon (Colombus) was a crypto-Jew a Sefardos

>>1286978

There have been Sefardi Jews in what is now Brazil since the first Portuguese arrived in the country in 1500, notably Mestre João and Gaspar da Gama who arrived in the first ships.

Luis de Carabajal y Cueva, a Spanish conquistador and Sefardi converso first was in what is now Texas in 1570

Ashkenzai are all turks that converted for trade purposes. Then later they moved to central europe and mixed with the germanics and slavs.

>>1284560
Episcopalians have a higher average IQ than Jews. Also non-Jewish whites score better on the SAT & ACT

>>1284560
>Kek, and Jewish genetics are superior white genetics.
You did not get what I'm saying. Mizrahim (nearly pure Jews) are way dumber than Ashkenazim (Jews who bred with Europeans).

Fun Fact: judaism is the only major religion that has reformed itself without wars

>>1287861
instead they the reformers or the traditionalists just move. to be parasites in some new christian or muslim land.

How many modern Jews are actually devout?

How many of them follow the Mosaic Law, as they should? How many of them honestly listen to their rabbis?

I seem to as a Christian receive an awful lot of shit from Jews who aren't practicing. And when I do, I wonder: why should I listen to these atheists, these people who know nothing of God? What do they have to say to me?

So, how many modern Jews practice their ancestral religion?

>>1288847
>I seem to as a Christian receive an awful lot of shit from Jews

lol, I bet tiger

(copypasta)

weird facts:

Jews claim ancestry from a pimp and his prostitute. Abraham pimped his wife Sarah to many different men, including the pharoah.

Arabs claim ancestry from Abraham's sex slave Hagar.

Judah did not consent, and in response Tamer deceives Judah into having intercourse with her by being a prostitute whom Judah sought

King David was born in Bethlehem, in the territory of the Tribe of Judah. His grandfather was Obed, whose mother was the Moabite Ruth and whose grandmother was the former prostitute Rahab

>>1288847
The only one I can think of who actually practices his ancestral religion is Brother Nathaniel.

All others are spiritually enslaved by their heretic rabbis.

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>>1287861
>Fun Fact: judaism is the only major religion that has reformed itself without wars
We were too busy getting kicked out, killed and being used as a scapegoat for centuries to bother picking violent sectarian battles among ourselves. Being expelled from one shtetl to another forced communities to moderate their religious doctrine to accommodate the newcomers. This, and the gradual process of assimilation quite bloodlessly split Judaism into increasingly more liberal sects. Only in big cities in politically stable regions could orthodox Jews enforce any sort of rigid doctrine on their regional community, as they could refuse newcomers and had the religious authority to dictate rulings. With Israel established, sectarian lines are being drawn up, pitting the secular and reform versus the modern orthodox versus the ultra orthodox versus the super duper Haredi orthodox. This creates an awkward situation, where Israel is simultaneously the most gay friendly nation in the Middle East while home to the only fundamentalist Jewish sects in the world.

Ashkenazi Judaism in particular had schisms in religious schools or Yeshivot, often over customs or interaction with secular affairs. Hasidic and Haredi Jews might be lumped together as "frum" and both dress like your stereotypical black hatted sidelock wearing Jew, but the two groups were at odds for centuries. Some other issues within Judaism that caused schisms/debate was the tradition of showing reverence to great spiritual leaders or Rabbis (sort of like saint worship in Catholicism). Some Jews were more spiritual and focused energy on Kabbalah, while others were more into studying doctrine and customs. Nothing riles a bunch of Jews up than someone treating a Minhag (custom) as Halakha (law), but some orthodox do anyways.

Being Jewish is self loathing

>>1288847

Do you follow the teachings of Jesus and his Apostles, christcuck?

PROTIP: Orthodox Jews rage about atheism constantly being the cancer killing Judaism and responsible for assimilation and intermarriage. Makes you think :)

>>1287842
>(nearly pure Jews) are way dumber than Ashkenazim (Jews who bred with Europeans).
Funny how I have blond hair and green eyes, and my Jewish heritage on both sides of my family can be traced back in Europe as far as the 1700's when the Austrian Empire gave them last names. Until my grandparents generation they were religiously devout and thus didn't allow converts so intermarriage must have happened a lot further back. By this logic, I am a pure Jew with superior European genetics of distant, unspecified origin. One drop rule makes therefore me white :)

So is "Jewish mixed with European" a one drop rule, making my family of doctors and Phds is a

>>1289003
damn phone makes shitposting hard

>>1289003
ashkenazis and sefardis are not descendant from Hebrews. They are both Roman converts. this includes Syrian Jews as well.

so ashkoz (ashis/sefards) are literally gentiles

>>1288959
The hair curls look so fucking stupid. No god with good aesthetics could come up with that.

>>1287861
Only because we historically didn't have the means to wage war. Tbh if history had gone differently and Israel had stayed Jewish, we'd probably be just another violent Middle Eastern Country

The Mideast isn't violent because of Islam. It's always been violent, but recently the rest of the world has comparatively become more peaceful.

>>1284438
which test? All pure-blooded Jews I know who have done a 23andMe showed up as 100% Ashkenazi

>>1288959
Wait what? I was always thought that Chassidim are a Charedi subgroup.

Have I been memed?

>>1290613
The Ashkenazi ethnicity is natively heterogeneous.

>>1290622
I'm saying if you (that guy?) Showed up as 88% non-jewish european than he definitely isn't 100% Ashkenazi

>>1289081
There are wayyyy too many levantine y-dna haplogroups in Ashkenazi Jews to make them fully European, what is more likely, and what is commonly accepted, is that a number of mostly single Jewish men intermarried within a European population.

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>post yfw /his/ is a jewish version of /pol/

>>1290691
/pol/ = red pilled natsoc
/his = blue pilled communist sympathizers

Welcome to Marxist education.

>>1290691
That's funny and not too off the mark

Last poll showed us as 18% "other" religion, which is all Jewish or Asian religions. And I'm sure many of the 40% atheists/agnostics are Jewish

>>1284560
Remove 'hispanic' whites, and just include Germans and North europeans, you'll end up seeing who the real whites are.

Its just that Jewish culture puts a very high premium on education.

>>1290641
the j haplogroup is common to europeans and is not exclusive to ashkenazis. this j group is part of neolothic farmers.

aahkenazis and sefardis both group with italians genetically and are identical to them

babylonian jews are genetically unrelatee to ashos/sefas

>>1290627
ashkenazi is a subethnic group of italian
it has distinct markers that are used to classify your dna as such.

>>1290716
>/his
>communist sympathizers
wew lad.

>>1284515
The Sephardim were the strongest faction in Europe prior to the Spanish expulsion in 1492. Jewish intelligence comes from their own genes, not barbarian European ones, even in the Ashkenazim.

>>1289081
Israel never played a major role in Jewish history, believe it or not. Even prior to Nebuchadnezzar enslaving the Jewish people they were in diaspora, and many of the wealthy elites never left Babylon after Cyrus freed them. Jews have always been most represented in cosmopolitan trading centers, like New York City and London today.

>>1291829
This board is at least 30% Marxian

>>1286791
>spanish converts
kek

>>1292722
I get the feeling that Marx is a bit better understood on this board, and people correct the /pol/tards who belch out their arguments here. But really, defending Marx is less common than ripping on illiterates for not having read whom they are criticizing.

>>1284218
ashkenazis did stuff to pull themselves out of their situation and to make a better life for all jews. sephardi and mizrachi Jews sat back because they weren't under attack at the time.

>>1292722
>>1292777
Marxian economics is fine to an extent, but socially Marxism is pretty bad to be quite honest here, my fellow /his/torians.

>>1284246
My sides

Didn't the Turks take in a lot of Sephardi jews in during/after the Spanish expulsion? I think Sarajevo had it population be 20% jews at one point.

>>1285690
Which levels?

>>1292756
>sephardic jews are berber/spanish converts

Medieval Arab writers ascribed the ancestry of the Berbers to *Goliath the Philistine and maintained their Canaanite origin. The Phoenician colonization of Africa, the long Carthaginian domination, and the survival of Punic, a language closely related to Hebrew, supported these legends which spread among the Berbers themselves. Similar tales are found in the writings of Greek and Latin authors and in the Talmud which spread the legend that the Canaanites immigrated of their own free will to North Africa. It is said that the survivors of the Jewish revolt in *Cyrenaica (115–116 C.E.) found refuge among the Berbers of Western *Libya . Scholars have frequently claimed that the Jews' desire to proselytize found a favorable atmosphere among the Berbers from the first to the seventh centuries. African Christianity, whose early converts were Jews, clashed with Jewish proselytism. Archaeological discoveries, epigraphs, and writings of the Christian scholars Tertullian and St. Augustine, indignant at the growing Berber conversions to Judaism, attest to these facts. The persecutions by the Byzantines forced Jews to settle among the Berbers in the mountain and desert regions. Ibn Khaldun confirmed the existence of a large number of proselyte Berbers at the time of the Arab conquest of Africa.

>>1291800
this

>>1290627
Ashkenazi have inbred so long that they form a unique subgroup within the Italian cluster

distinct genetic markers appear within this essentially Italian population

it is similar to Irish Travellers inbred so long to form a distinct subgroup within the Irish cluster

In 2011 an analysis of DNA from 40 Travellers was undertaken at the Royal College of Surgeons in Dublin and the University of Edinburgh. The study provided evidence that Irish Travellers are a distinct Irish ethnic minority, who separated from the settled Irish community at least 1000 years ago; the claim was made that they are as distinct from the settled community as Icelanders are from Norwegians.[33] Irish Travellers "left no written record of their own" and their families do not date back to the same point in time; some families adopted Traveller customs centuries ago, while others did so more recently.[34] It is unclear how many Irish Travellers would be included in this distinct ethnic group at least from a genetic perspective.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Travellers#Origins

>>1290607
>>1287861
there were many civil wars amongst the early Hebrews and later with the second temple Jews.

The Kingdom of Israel was split apart because of these wars.

King David destroyed various Jewish tribes and went to war with the other Jewish kingdom.

during the 2nd temple, there was a Jewish conflct between Pharisees (talmudists/rabbinicals), Saducees (non-talmudists/original Jews). Jews again fought eachother.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zealots_%28Judea%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicarii


The talmudists won that war. and it continues in various forms...


Ashkenazi force the ancient Jewish traditions of Italians, Mizrahi, Sephardics to be replaced with German goth tradition:

>Italian Judaism as we have known it for centuries is slowly disappearing,” said Toaff. “We're just becoming a bad copy of the Ashkenazi Jews

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/12/13/in-italy-a-traditional-jewish-lifestyle-is-disappearing.html

the sad part is that the Ashkenazi goths are wiping out entire ancient Hebrew communities.

The goths ruin and destroy the rich, vibrant, joyous and ancient communities.
After the goths make an appearance in their community the ancient Italkim, Karaim etc just abandon their religion and identity, entirely. The entire community dissolves. They have no interest in the Ashkenazi goth stuff.

there is no tolerance of other traditions and customs by Ashkenazis. they are very missionary and forceful to other communities.
they forced so many ancient communities to go extinct and adopt the black-garb gothisms.
the majority of religious Jews are under direct domincation and authority of Ashkenazi organizations

>>1293726
>talmudists/rabbinists
why dont people call them out as heretics?

talmudism is in opposition to the fundamentals of the Torah.

The Torah states, "You shall not add to the word that I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of YHVH, your God, which I command you." (Deut 4:2)

>>1294791

2nd Temple Jewish groups:

Sadducees (from Tzadik aka the Wise ones) were a continuation of 1st Temple Judaism and followed the original religion of Ancient Israel. Sadducees were the intelligent class, consisting of educated and scholared leaders.

Pharisees (heretical revisionists) your average low-class uneducated street hustlin peddlers, merchants - the common wankers. The Zealots/Sicarii were part of this group of uneducated plebs who made many persistent and violent attempts to remove the educated Sadducees and replace the original Jewish laws with their own revisionism (talmudism/rabbinism).

>>1284218

Ashekenazi are Europeans that converted to Judaism and married some Jews that migrated to Europe 2000 years ago and basically are European but made up a word because the Catholic church tried to make Jews seem like a whole different people.

Sephardic Jews are just Jews from the Middle East.

You're basically asking what's the different between an Arab and a German.

>>1287624

Interdasting if true. What are your best sources for these claims?

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>>1295718
Does sasha baron Cohen resemble a Jew or an Arab more?

>>1296521
Arab but he's an outlier

>>1296521
they're both semites

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You are now aware of an even cooler group of Jews, the Romaniotes. These guys are truly ancient.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romaniote_Jews

>>1284218
Customs for how they celebrate holidays are slightly different. Simple things like whether they traditionally eat apples or pomegranates. Overall there aren't huge differences.

Even though they are geographically separated there does seem to be some communication. Maimonides is considered one of the greatest scholars in Ashkenazi tradition and he was Sephardi. As others have said, there does seem to be evidence that Sephardim traveled to and joined Ashkenazi communities at various points.

As far as I know they don't hate each other, when the state of Israel was created that became a haven for all Jews and Jews worldwide came there to build a new life together. They're all family in the great diaspora.

>>1284534
I thought it was obvious that genetics had little to do with why Islamists are fucked?

Abrahamic religions just plain don't work. Judaism is relatively peaceful because it never got too powerful and was mostly oppressed everywhere. Christianity only got better when it got too weak to exert any real control on people. Islam is extremely powerful on its areas of influences and such areas are ridden with conflicts, both internal and with their neighbors, regardless of genetics and geography.

Also, most middle eastern people are really friendly, it's just that it's the crazies the ones that get into power more easily.

>>1297246
Love the pseudo-exorasson, staff and other eastern clerical clothing inspired things in their outfits.

>>1297878
>Judaism is relatively peacefu
Kek

>>1297935
But it is when you compare it to Christianity (at the height of its power) and Islam.

>>1284218
As a (culturally christian atheist descendant of) Sephardi Jew(ish converts that remained in Spain during the exile but ended up migrating towards the New World eventually), and fan of Iron Man from before the movies, I'm happy about your picture, OP.

>>1284515
>>1284560

Go back to /pol/

>>1286978
>also Cristobal Colon (Colombus) was a crypto-Jew a Sefardos

*He might be

>>1288847
>>1288978

Lets get something straight.
Orthodox judiams in its contemporary form is a result of the enlightenment and modernity.
Orthodox jews are the branch of jews who rejected modernity, innvested themselves in spirituality, and became much more ascetic then jews before them.
On the other side of the spectrum are the secular jews, like most of the early zionists.
They accepted modernity and were part of the break with spirituality that swept Europe.
And of course there are what are now known as religious zionists that accept modern understandings but still believe in god and the idea that through human actions they can bring about salvation.

>>1296521
sicilian, greek, italian

>>1298019
Only because their numbers were always small and they never had the means to wage proper war,and when they did,right after they got holocausted they immediatly carried out holocaust on palestinians.

>>1295718
Sephardic Jews are Jews of Spain and Maghreb who later migrated due to expulsions. They settled all over Europe, Asia and Americas.

They encountered non-Talmud Bnei Israel in Asia and converted them to Sefardism (adopting talmud and Spanish laws)

Prior to encountering Spanish Jews, the Jews of Transcaucasia, Persia, and Central Asia followed the original ancient Israelite religion (no talmud, no kabala, no babylonian mysticisms etc); much like the Ethiopian, Karaites, and Indian Jews.

The Bnei Israel of Asia experienced Sefardization and later Ashkenization.

Today they follow Sefardic religion, but many came under the influence of chabad, hasids and ashkenazis.


>>1297246
the Italkim are similar to Romaniotes, and have been vanishing due to domination by Ashkenazim

see >>1293726

>Italian Judaism as we have known it for centuries is slowly disappearing,” said Toaff. “We're just becoming a bad copy of the Ashkenazi Jews

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/12/13/in-italy-a-traditional-jewish-lifestyle-is-disappearing.html

>>1290615
Hasids are Haredis!

Hasids are a continuation of Sabbateans. They adapted their movement to overcome the failures of Sabbatai,

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>>1290716
>implying /his/ isn't slowly evolving into /pol2/

>>1298367
Ah yes, all Mediterranean peoples, such as the Jews!

Some Palestinians look quite similar as well.

>>1298406
>Early Zionists were religious

Disregard that what happened to the Palestinians/what is happening is not a genocide or Holocaust, you really need to do some research on the early Zionist movement

>>1288959
>used as a scapegoat.
Chaim please, we specifically chose to be considered the kings property so we wouldn't get killed for exploiting retarded eurotrash.

It wasn't a global meme to blame the jews, but at the same time I make no apologies for our exploiting barely literate "nobels".

>>1299120
>all swarthy complexions

the swarthy phenotype is not proof of genetic relations. it is superficial and is shared amongst various unrelated peoples.

although Spanish, Italian, Greeks, Armenians, Circassians, Georgians, Azeris, Persians, Sephards, Turks, and some Ashkenazi share a similar phenotype (dark hair, dark eyes, big nose, hairy), there is a clear genetic separation between these major swarthy Caucasoid groups, ie they are not genetically related.

in one genetic cluster we have the following related groups:
Italians, Greeks, Spanish, Ashkenazis, Sephardis

in another unrelated genetic cluster we have:
Armenians, Persians, Georgians, Circassians, Azeris, Persian Jews, Assyrians, Kurds

note that Ashkenazis and Sephardics are both Roman converts

>>1297129
actually, a pure Ashkenazi would be swarthy and look just like their Italian ancestors

The white Ashkenazis are the result of German-Slav sperm

>>1299120
look yourself and the mirror and say you aint a guido

>>1298406
But that's exactly what I wrote, faggot.

>Judaism is relatively peaceful because it never got too powerful and was mostly oppressed everywhere.

Stop being so triggered and read the whole thing before reacting.

>>1297246
Holy shit, Hitler was Jewish after all

>>1298174
Why would a gentile speak Hebrew?

>>1296521
He looks very Italian. Nobody in my family is that swarthy

>>1301018
this
his lastname was cohen

>>1299186
>I make no apologies for our exploiting barely literate "nobels".
Oh the irony

>>1302458
Columbus was born in the Republic of Genoa, or modern-day Italy, yet Columbus spoke Spanish fluently, perhaps indicating that the Columbus family was originally from Spain. Spanish-speaking refugees were numerous in mid-15th century Genoa as Jewish families fled the Spanish Inquisition. It's also known that the family profession was weaving, a traditionally Jewish profession at the time, Brinkmann says, and that Jewish given names like Abraham and Jacob were common in the family of Columbus' mother.

Letters and journals attributed to Columbus are studded with references to Jewish scripture and dates from the Jewish calendar, and it is noted that Columbus selected many Jews and conversos—Jews forced to convert to Catholicism to escape persecution—as astrologers, navigators, and translators in his crew.


Columbus always wrote in Spanish, and occasionally included Hebrew in his writing, and referenced the Jewish High Holidays in his journal during the first voyage.

Simon Wiesenthal postulates that Columbus was a Sephardi (Spanish Jew), careful to conceal his Judaism yet also eager to locate a place of refuge for his persecuted fellow countrymen. Wiesenthal argues that Columbus' concept of sailing west to reach the Indies was less the result of geographical theories than of his faith in certain Biblical texts—specifically the Book of Isaiah. He repeatedly cited two verses from that book: "Surely the isles shall wait for me, and the ships of Tarshish first, to bring thy sons from far, their silver and their gold with them," (60:9); and "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth" (65:17). Wiesenthal claimed that Columbus felt that his voyages had confirmed these prophecies.[85]

>>1302725

So his family fleed Spain to settle the Genoa where Christopher born to hide from the Inquisition which was created like 30 years after his birth?
Makes perfect sense.

>>1302737
Antisemitic attitudes increased all over Europe during the 13th century and throughout the 14th century, during the Reconquista, Spain's anti-Jewish sentiment steadily increased. This prejudice climaxed in the summer of 1391 when violent anti-Jewish riots broke out in Spanish cities like Barcelona[6] These mob riots led to major forced conversions of Jews to Christianity. To linguistically distinguish them from non-converted or long-established Christian families, new converts were called conversos, or New Christians. Progressively harsher laws restricted their education, choice of career, and travel. To be exempt from these restrictions one had to have limpieza de sangre ("pure blood").

According to Don Hasdai Crescas, persecution against Jews began in earnest in Seville in 1391, on the 1st day of the lunar month Tammuz (June).[7] From there the violence spread to Córdoba, and by the 17th day of the same lunar month, it had reached Toledo (called then by Jews after its Arabic name "Ṭulayṭulah") in the region of Castile.[8] From there, the violence had spread to Majorca and by the 1st day of the lunar month Elul it had also reached the Jews of Barcelona in Catalonia, where the slain were estimated at two-hundred and fifty. So, too, many Jews who resided in the neighboring provinces of Lérida and Gironda and in the kingdom of València had been affected,[9] as were also the Jews of Al-Andalus (Andalucía),[10] whereas many died a martyr’s death, while others converted in order to save themselves.

>>1302764

Literally your first lines:
>Spanish-speaking refugees were numerous in mid-15th century Genoa as Jewish families fled the Spanish Inquisition.

>>1302770

The European Inquisition officially started in 12th-century. anyway, you are now aware of Jewish converts to Christianity prior to the 1400s...

Encouraged by the preaching of Ferrand Martinez, Archdeacon of Ecija, the general unrest affected nearly all of the Jews in Spain, during which time an estimated 200,000 Jews changed their religion or else concealed their religion, becoming known in Hebrew as "Anūsim,"[11] meaning, "those who are compelled [to hide their religion]." Only a handful of the more principal persons of the Jewish community managed to escape, who had found refuge among the viceroys in the outlying towns and districts.[7]

Thus, after 1391, a new social group appeared and were referred to as conversos or New Christians.

>>1302774
>>1302770
>European Inquisition officially started in 12th-century. anyway
and remember, persecution was not always recorded, antisemitic attitudes increased all over Europe, including Iberia, during the late 13th century and throughout the 14th century. England and France expelled their Jewish populations in 1290 and 1306 respectively

>>1299104
That's just summer. Teenagers come from /pol/ and invade every other board with their buzzwords

>>1284218
Near eastern Jewish populations like the Sephardi, Yemeni, and Beta Israel probably preserve more authentic and true to the original traditions and liturgy.
The Jewish customs can still be seen in Ethiopian Christianity.

>>1302774

I am aware that you are quoting a someone who is mixing stuff.

>>1303655
let me ask you a very personal question if i may

are you circumsized?

>>1284218
How do one differenate between jewish italian, spaniard, greek and italian, spaniard, greek with no jewish admixture?

>>1303553
Jewish "customs" in Ethiopian Orthodoxy stems from the fact that Highland Ethiopians were judeo-pagan and nominally Jewish before hand, they then converted en masse before subsections who retained Judaism and judeo-pagan practices coalesced into "Yahud".

We weren't Beta Israeli until we found out non-Yemeni Jews existed.

Regardless our Judaism included a monastic tradition, eunuchs, ascetics, was non-Talmudic and have our own flairs because we aren't some relic of the past.

All Judaisms are living traditions, none are static.

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>>1303787
no major difference between italian, greek, ashkenazi, sefardi

but there is a founder effect which can identify the subgroups of italians
ashkenazis/sefardis are a subgroup within italian

they have specific markers from unique Italian founders

similar to Irish Travellers
>>1293550

>>1303848
don't fall for the talmudic trap

Ancient original Israelite religion was based on Five Books of Moses aka the Torah. Ethiopian Jews, along with Sadducees, Karaites, Persian Jews, Indian Jews all continued practicing original Judaism.


The holiest book is the Orit (Used by the Ethiopian Church to denote the word "scripture") which consists of the Octateuch: Five Books of Moses with Joshua, Judges and Ruth


the talmud is heresy

>>1303895
Too late, when we were airlifted the formal and informal agreement was we'd assimilate into European normative Judaism.

I'm honestly ambivalent to the Talmud itself, its the assimilation as a means of gaining authenticity that I am not fond of.

>>1303952
shame how a bunch of roman converts hijacked our religion and force us to follow their heresy

the irony is that a bunch of goys actually dictate authentic Jews

all the roman rabbis who enforce halakhic standards are literally all unhalakhic

instead these roman goys should undergo conversion process overseen by Ethiopian Jews and follow our Bnei Israel authority

>>1304328
shut up, they are genetically jewish like the rest of us.

>>1305903
>genetically jewish

ashkenazis are as genetically jewish as italians and greeks are

dna evidence does not agree with your statement

what you should do is ask for forgiveness from Bnei Israel and submit to conversion and practice under our authority

>>1303785
Of course he is.

>>1306111
>ashkenazis are as genetically jewish as italians and greeks are

wrong, they cluster with italians and greeks because they are relatives of jews and north-west semites, being mediterranean people.

Ashkenazi and Sephardi jews are the most authentic jewish populations genetically speaking, Ashkenazi more so then Sephardi. Others are more made up of converts.

>>1306170
thanks to modern science, your revisionism is easily discredited
Four major lineages became incorporated into the Ashkenazi community at least 2,000 years ago. A large convert Jewish community flourished in Rome at this time and included many converts. This community could have been the source of both the Ashkenazim of Europe and the Sephardim of Spain and Portugal, given that the two groups have considerable genetic commonality, Dr. Richards said.

Italians showing the greatest proximity to Ashkenazi and Sephardi populations Jews of any Europeans

there had been mass conversions to Judaism in the early Roman empire, resulting in some 6 million citizens, or 10 percent of the population, practicing Judaism.


no Greeks, Italians are not Jewish, they are not even Semites.

the relatives of Jews are Semites (Assyrians, Aramaeans, Babylonians Arabs etc), not Italo-Greeks

guess which Jewish groups cluster with Semites?
Persian Jews, Iraqi Jews, Kurdish Jews... all descend directly from Bnei Israel

guess which Jewish groups DO NOT cluster with Semites?
Ashkenazis, Sefardis

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>>1306234
>guess which Jewish groups DO NOT cluster with Semites?
Ashkenazis, Sefardis

You are wrong, ashkenazi jews cluster with palestinians, syrians, lebanese, jordanians, kurds, and turks.

>they are not even Semites. the relatives of Jews are Semites (Assyrians, Aramaeans, Babylonians Arabs etc), not Italo-Greeks

Semitic is a language family. You are probably an american who doesn't even know where italy, greece and israel are in relation to one and other on a map. They are all mediterranean.

The main reason why jews (including ashkenazi and sefardi jews) cluster so closely with italians is because of sardinians, an ancient middle eastern farmer population closely related to semites.

>Four major lineages became incorporated into the Ashkenazi community at least 2,000 years ago. A large convert Jewish community flourished in Rome at this time and included many converts. This community could have been the source of both the Ashkenazim of Europe and the Sephardim of Spain and Portugal, given that the two groups have considerable genetic commonality, Dr. Richards said.

Looks like you copy pasted this in an attempt to plagiarise it since you didn't green text it or include a source. There have been hundreds of studies like this conducted, all making very specific claims, all contradicting one and other.

>>1306293
>imposter being this desperate

lies

ashkenazi jews DO NOT cluster with palestinians, syrians, lebanese, jordanians

see pic >>1303862

shows how much you know

Semitic is from Shem the son of Noah. Semites are descendants of Shem.

sorry, to burst your bubble but Italians are not Semites.

>closely with italians is because of sardinian
Sardinians are genetically separate and distant from Italians and form an extreme outlier in European genetics

Sardinians descend from Anatolian neolithic farmers, not Hebrews or Semites, the neolithic farmers came from Anatolia to Europe thousands of years before Israelites even existed

>>1285569
I find it annoying to see France forgotten when it has one of the largest Sephardi communities in Europe (in fact, the largest outside of Israel.)
It's quite logical as well, of course a wealthy country neighboring Spain, Italy, England and the Netherlands would attract Sephardi like a magnet.

Ashkenazi jews are khazars

>>1306293
>They are all mediterranean
can your mental gymnastics explain:

the fact that NO Druze, Samaritan, Arabs group clusters with Italian?

the fact that NO Egyptian group clusters with Italian?

the fact that NO mediterranean group clusters with Italian (except for Greek and Ashkenazi/Sefardi)?

the fact that NO Semitic group clusters with Italian?

the fact that NO Sardinian group clusters with Italian (Sardinian is in the opposite extreme and has no connection with Italian or Semites)?

the fact that Iraqi/Persian/Samaritan Jews DO NOT cluster with Italian?

the fact that Iraqi/Persian Jews cluster with other Semites such as Assyrians, Druze, Arabs?


could it possibly be that the unique clustering of Ashkenazis/Sefardis within the Roman/Italian genetic family is due to Roman/Italian ancestry of Ashkenazis/Sefardis?

sounds absurd to you right? then check yourself in to a Muh Heritage rehab clinic near you today and hurry to redeem your discount on Roman-ancestry denial complex

>>1306596
>>1306457
>>1306293
in the Torah it explictily states that Ashkenaz is the son of Gomer, both are goys and non-Semitic. Ashkenaz is NOT a descendant of Shem and can not be a Semite. if Ashkenaz is not a Semite, then Ashkenaz can not be a halakhic Jew.


Since Ashkenazis/Sefis derive from shiksas they are therefore unhalakhic. Their claims are all self-professed, unfounded, and unhalakhic. therefore, the authority and actions of their leadership and community is retroactively null and void. the Bnei Israel do not recognize their unhalakhic movements and gentile actions. the Bnei Israel revoke all claims, associations and relations with the unhalakhic claimaints to our ancestry.
the Bnei Israel rightfully recognise the unhalakhic claimants as being a continuation and extension of Roman genitility.

>>1306457
>ashkenazi jews DO NOT cluster with palestinians, syrians, lebanese, jordanians

palestinians, syrians, lebanese and jordanians all have arab ancestry and are clustering close to saudis. The groups with the least arab ancestry like lebanese christians, druze, assyrians, and iraqi jew are all closer to ashkenazi jews, sephardi jews and european mediterraneans then groups like palestinians, egyptians, and yemenite jews who are clustering closer to saudis because of arab ancestry.

Iraqi jews and Assyrians, having more mesopatamian heritage, are clustering closer to the anatolian and caucasian people like turks, kurds, and so on.

Without arab ancestry we'd see the lebanese, syrians, iraqi jews and to a lesser extent palestinians and egyptians further from saudis and nearer to sefardi and ashkenazi jews

>>1306890
i am a wisniewski and i feel embarassed by your weak b8. just give up. parties over. currently at the chabad house teaching italian for smooth transition

>>1306293
>>1306457
>there had been mass conversions to Judaism in the early Roman empire, resulting in some 6 million citizens, or 10 percent of the population, practicing Judaism.

Based on historical accounts such as those of Jewish historian Flavius Josephus, by the time of the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE, as many as six million Jews were already living in the Roman Empire, but outside Israel, mainly in Italy and Southern Europe. In contrast, only about 500,000 lived in Judea

>500,000 lived in Judea
>5,500,000 lived outside Israel, mainly in Italy and Southern Europe, in the Roman Empire


2nd temple Roman Jewry was overwhelmingly (~90%) converts!
The genetic study also found that Ashkenazi Jews are genetically closest modern-day Italians. The study supports the genetic-similarity between Ashkenazi Jews and Italians resulted from Roman conversion.

look, being a Roman is honorable. we created a bigger empire than that of the Israelites. there is nothing wrong with embracing our Roman ancestry!!

>>1306890
the genetic distance between Ashkenazi and (Druze, Assyrians, Lebanese Christians, Iraqi Jews)
is the same as between Greek and Norwegian-- HUGE GAP!


the genetic distance between Ashkenazi and Italians is ZERO!

once again... see the chart

>>1284246
>ignunt & proud

>>1306293
>Semitic is a language family.
Wrong.

>>1284341
today I learned

>>1308507
>the genetic distance between Ashkenazi and (Druze, Assyrians, Lebanese Christians, Iraqi Jews)
is the same as between Greek and Norwegian-- HUGE GAP!

not according to my fingers

>>1310113
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>>1307421
>>1306689
>>1306596
>>1306457
>>1306234
>>1306111
>>1304328

>Roman converts

>>1303862
>>1306596


this is only mtdna, ydna of ashkenazi jews is levantine

>>1310658

I'd rather have non-jewish blood from other white, western people then from shitskins. Brown people are alien to the levant

>>1310658
It's true desu

We received many Sephardis in the Netherlands after they fled from the Spanish expulsions. We took them in and they were very viable due to their connections in trade. They were very profitable merchants (who were also knees deep in the slave trade compared to the common citizen) and made quite the fortunes. Many went to Britain when the economy declined, so much for loyalty. In the late 18th century, Ashkenazis came here and they were considered poor and dirty by the rich established upper class Sephardim in Amsterdam.

Then an Austrian painter came along with his army and now they are mostly all dead.

>>1311160
They buried them alive one evening 1945

>>1310999
halakhic Jewish descent is matrilineal

Ashkenazi's do not descend from Hebrew woman, therefore Ashkenazis are unhalakhic

therefore Ashkenazis are not Jewish


>ydna of ashkenazi jews is levantine
ydna is patrileal
actually ashkenazi ydna is european as well

studies show European contribution to patrilineal ydna is ~12-40%, of R1b and R1a1a found among Ashkenazim

R1a1a is eastern European (Slavic, Khazar)
R1b is western European

both J1 and J2 appear in European gentile populations.

J1 haplogroup is found in significant frequencies in many areas in or near the Middle East, and parts of the Caucasus, Sudan and Ethiopia. It is also found in high frequencies in parts of North Africa, Southern Europe.

J2 is found in Western Asia, Central Asia, South Asia, Europe and North Africa.

so the Ashkenazi male ydna lineage is not uniquely Semitic or Hebrew. It shares Western European, Eastern European, Southern European and west Asian dna, and none being unique to Jews.

tl;dr Ashkenazi are not halakhic Jews

>>1284218

Khazar scum here,

am I as an Ashkenazi related to Mizrahim in any way, genetically?

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>>1311348
Mizrahi is a rather abstract grouping. It refers to the rest of Jewry. Some mistakenly group all Jews from Islamic countries together as Mizrahi, which would include N. Africa.

but Maghrebi (Moroccan/Tunisian etc) Jews are in fact Sephardic and are genetically closely related Ashkenazi .

in reality Moroccan Jews share striking similarities with Ashkenazis. The famous Judge Judy is a great example of dominating, vocal, and agressive-temperamental Ashkenazi Jew, sharing the same character with Maghrebis and Italians. Her facial features (especially the eyes and mouth) perfectly match with the typical Moroccan female.

now if we exclude all Sephardic Jews from Mizrahim, then we have Iraqi, Persian, Ethiopian, Central Asian, Indian, Yemeni Jews, which Ashkenazis are not related to, except as casual members of the common human genome.

>>1310658
>>1310999
>But call him a Roman and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: “I’ve been found out.”

>>1311344
Their mothers converted. They're halachic