Can someone please explain that? Why didnt Africans capitalize

Something genetics, something culture, something capitalism, something China

>>1055384
One thing is that the "civilization" they brought was entirely made for profit and for bringing or sending stuff to the metropole. They didn't care for the development of the african lands, they got there to take the resources and bring them back. They organized everything according to the metropole needs, not the local ones.

>>1055384
>the Chinese guy banting him with that smile
>the black guy barely managing not to punch him in the face
This video is priceless.

>>1055384
Power was seized by people who were either corrupt, incompetent or both.

>>1055384
Tough words for Chinks to say when they were in the same boat as Africa's

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Imagine being a lone chinese dude trying to civilize these....people

>>1055410
Yeah, it's hard to civilize when you're not civilized :^)

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>>1055410

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I can only understand why whites gave up on civilizing them almost as soon as they arrived

Because whites only cared about extracting resources and had no intention to create educated middle class of engineers, managers and entrepreneurs to run the country, or even creating basic education system at all. No wonder everything went to shit once whites left and there were no one to replace them.

Any time the ruling class moves out of an area, it goes to shit.
After the Romans left Britain it was exactly the same. Locally, the workers can take over the factory, but they might not be connected to the lines of credit to pay everyone, or the supply lines for raw materials.

>>1055420
>Because whites only cared about extracting resources and had no intention to create educated middle class of engineers, managers and entrepreneurs to run the country, or even creating basic education system at all.
I think you're exaggerating. The end of the British Empire wasn't something the colonizing power had planned. The process of creating this middle class was interrupted by global upheaval. If the World Wars hadn't happened (I know how big this "if" is) Africa could have been developed properly. The British Empire should have been federalized.

>>1055408
> they were in the same boat as Africa's
Only if by "the same boat" you mean "not white". China's situation was nothing like African one.

>>1055398
The motivation behind installing that infrastructure are irrelevant.

>>1055408
>Tough words for Chinks to say when they were in the same boat as Africa's
What same boat?

The only European bits of China that were colonized was those concessions in the Coast. The rest were left to stew in Chaos as the country broke down. The majority of the country did not have the benefit of Western Inrastructure.

But kek, modern infrastructure was still built even when central authority collapsed. The Republic and the Individual Warlords reached out to western advisors on almost anything and sent government funded scholars overseas themselves even when they were still fighting each other horribly.

>>1055429
Not really. British and French Africa were different worlds that were designed and developed with no intention of ever being integrated economically.

>>1055434
>Who is Oswald Mosley

>>1055384
Two things
The infrastructure was primarily built to extract resources and materials from colonies and a lot of colonies had not a lot of investment.
Second there were not enough skilled workers in Africa to maintain much of the infrastructure that was there. People give educated elites a lot of shit but life is immeasurably worse when none exist.

>>1055436
Exactly, a nobody

>>1055384
Westernization could have been achieved without the exploitation. West Africa was advancing well enough through simply trading with Europeans.

>>1055436
A man who didn't influence the development of African infrastructure very much.

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>>1055384
Arbitrary borders which don't reflect ethnic situation on the ground, resulting in constant civil wars, same shit happened in the Middle East.

>>1055451
wew lad

>>1055451
It's even worse than the

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>
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>>1055384
Is this a documentary? Anyone have the name by chance?

>>1055451

the straight borders are bullshit but what would be a better way to draw borders in Africa? Giving each ethnic group a country would be unpractical.

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>>1055398
Good meme

>>1055465
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0C4_88ub_M

>>1055471
good counter argument

>>1055451

This. Plus:

1. "Muh infrastructure." - Most of the interior was still with little to no road access, roads were unpaved and still are. It's not like most nations were left with 1940's era infrastructure after WWII.

2. Political systems were totally fucked. The borders made no sense. Old tribal ruling systems were adapted for colonialism, but African sub-rulers relied on their colonizers for the power to rule. When they left, there was a huge power vacuum.

3. Opportunism. African leaders got very rich basically doing what the colonialists had done to their own people. The Gold Coast actually saw its GDP and standard of living shoot down after independence. It is hardly alone in this.

4. Banks let the corrupt rulers hang themselves with their own debt.

Also, the whole "constantly warring" Africa thing is more the lens of the late-1980's on. There were plenty of coups in Africa, and some wars before, but a lot of the first generation regimes were remarkably durable for how shitty they were.

>>1055472
Thanks lad

>>1055471

You can build limited amounts of infrastructure anywhere.

I can drive out to the middle of Death Valley and find a golf course, bar, and shopping center around the one place that has water.

>>1055468
>Giving each ethnic group a country would be unpractical.
How so?

>>1055471
Oh, look, a city near a major trade route in a part of Africa that's been in contact with the civilized world for a very long time looked nice at one point
How pertinent to your argument

>>1055495
The burden of proof is on you to show why every ethnic group in Africa should have been given a state in the first place.

>>1055495

studying african geography would be pretty hard for middle schoolers

>>1055451
>Multiculty is great! except when its on non white countries then its bad ;^)
I want /leftpol/ to leave

>>1055495
Because no African country would give up their rule for a load of ethical tribes.

>>1055518
False analogy. Europenis states aren't artificially drawn up.

Everyone is missing the most important answer.

Rapid population explosion leading to massive overpopulation.

>>1055541
No but people from other etnic groups are moving there in mass, are you retarded?

>>1055518
>>Multiculty is great!
I never said that though, I want /pol/ to stop imagining things.

>>1055559
>Immigration doesn't happen within Africa.
Are you retarded?

Anyway, the main beef of people against African borders is that its arbitrary, was determined by a foreign cunt, and leads to some ethnic violence. Nobody raises stink on countries in iFrica where this doesn't happen albeit there are few of these countries.

>>1055428
Chinese slaves are cheaper than africans

>>1055570
You're literally just applying the Al-Jazeera narrative about the Middle-East to Africa.

>>1055451
BUT DIVERSITY IS STRENGHT

>>1055451
BUT RACES AREN'T REAL

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>>1055389
>China

>>1055384
what is this from?

>>1055584
but only when its diverse and not a bunch of non diverse isolated factions

More bombs fell in Vietnam than in all african history but viets still manage to have some decent country.
Blacks are just stupid, that's the truth.

>>1055593
Why, though?

>>1055591

empire of dust

>>1055570
American states are also cut like that and they don't kill each other.

>>1055587
>>1055584
pol you really need to go back to your containment board

>>1055597
Damage control.
Leftism is a mental disease.

>>1055594
But the truth is racist and thus should be banned

>>1055588
MAGA
F
R
I
C
A

>>1055597
diversity breeds innovation

and genetic mutations

>>1055600
Because most of them were settled by white people living under a unified federal government. False equivalence.
>>1055601
Not an argument.

>>1055605
not all genetic mutations are good

>>1055605
>diversity breeds innovation
Is that true?
>and genetic mutations
Do these bring strength?

>>1055601
So you saying races are real and diversity is not strengh?

>>1055605
The more diverse a country is, the poorest.

>>1055600
American states are glorified provinces, you dumb hick.

>>1055570
Immigration is extremely limited in Africa 1950-present.

>>1055605
>diversity breeds innovation
To find new ways to kill the other ethnicities like necklacing for example.
>and genetic mutations
You mean low iq

>>1055610
>Is that true?
yes
>Do these bring strength?
yes, generally speaking a genetically diverse population will be healtiher then a inbree...pure one

>>1055614
well thats just plain wrong

>U.S.A

>>1055616
Not an argument.

>>1055446
>Not knowing his plans for the British Empire

>>1055581
The Al Jazeera narrative would be
>DEY ALL EBIL BECAUSE ARBITRARY
When what I said was
>People bitch about states that are fucked up due to their abritraryness.

There's some states that aren't. Like Angola and others like them.

>>1055594
>Vietnam
>decent

Nigeria is unironically better

>>1055622
>60% white
>Diverse
Pick one

>>1055622
>U.S.A
>diverse
>multicultural

>>1055611
no thats what you are saying

im saying go back to your fucking containment board

>>1055598
where can i find it i dont see it on lameflix or kat.to

>>1055622
>diversity brings innovation
No it doesn't, it brings social conflict, a diversity of THOUGHT brings innovation. Are you saying people with different skin color think differently?
>having a relatively homogeneous population means they are inbred
You're this retarded aren't you?

>>1055627
Sure thing m8

>>1055500
No, it's on you for claiming that it would be unpractical. You didn't ask why each nation or if each ethnic group should have a nation, you claimed it was unpractical.

>>1055623
It is though. At the end of the day they're just administrative divisions.

>>1055627
Nigeria has 20 million ISIS supporters.

I'll take Vietnam.

>>1055628
>implying all white people are the same

the amount of ethnicites and nationalities in america would justify its diversity

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>>1055634
Time to eat your shoe.

>>1055632
someone posted the youtube link in this thread

>>1055633
>Are you saying people with different skin color think differently?
People from other cultures do think differently.

>Social Conflict
>Yes, this can't happen in singular cultures or races. Nope. Not at all.

>>1055639
So what?

>>1055640
>Nigeria has 20 million ISIS supporters.

Vietnam has 20 million plus, unironic Communists who riot and kill capitalists every day.

>>1055644
Honduras Sudan and Papua better than Vietnam hahahaha

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The classic

>>1055648
>Different cultures
Mixing VASTLY different cultures (See Europe and middle east/ Africa/ native american) breeds MASSIVE conflict.
However mixing SIMILAR cultures (see Europeans and Europeans) breeds pretty GOOD things.
>singular cultures
No such thing, and causes less conflict than mixing vastly difference cultures.
Stop this bait

>>1055648
>Africa is poor cause they are diverse
>Diversity is good
Pick one you fucking hack

>>1055649
American states =/= independent fucking countries? Not to mention independent states of people native to that land?

When will you dumb Amerihicks learn this? Same shit on /int/
>HURR WHY DO WE HAVE TO KNOW DIFFERENT COUNTRIES? MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ABOUT MUH STATES.

>>1055644
Thats not HDI

>>1055633
> Are you saying people with different skin color think differently?

no im saying people exposed to a wide range of cultures and people will generally be smarter and more experinced then someone who has been stuck in a tiny town with people who more or less look, act and think the same as him

>having a relatively homogeneous population means they are inbred

yes this is exactly what i am saying

What's the deal with african ethnicities though? Are they really that different?
I mean yu don't find this tribalism anywhere else when people that speak the same language fight because some have bigger ears.
Africans are just retarded, sorry.

>>1055659
>However mixing SIMILAR cultures (see Europeans and Europeans) breeds pretty GOOD things.
Yeah, after numerous massacres.

See France for a very good example.

>>1055660
>diversity is either always good or always bad
your IQ is too low for this discussion

>>1055663
So what again?
What makes them live peacefully and africans not?

>>1055637
Looking at that map, I think it's self evident that it would be impractical. The UN would look like the galactic senate if every patch on that map had it's own government.

I think we can agree that there are better places to draw borders, but with the interests of the colonial powers, plus the interests of the natives, taking into account ancient feuds and friendships, geological boundaries, trade routes, access to drinking water, shipping lanes, good farm land etc. it was always going to be a clusterfuck.

>>1055623
>>1055649

It's a perfectly valid point.

Bursting into tears and saying "that's not an argument" well that really is not an argument.

>>1055667
More people live in a single european country now than in all the continent in just two century.
Tiny little town haha what a dumbass.
Back to school.

>>1055669
>What's the deal with african ethnicities though? Are they really that different?

Not really, they're all niggers in the end
It's kinda like if Bavariians decided they were a different race than Rhinelanders

>>1055672
So now IQ is real?

>>1055685
More like people from Munich and people from Nuremberg fight each other for being taller.

>>1055673
Because American states are a bunch of artificially set up entities by people who belong to that country.
>Be American
>Settle somewhere
>Enough of you are in that place.
>Declare statehood.

Meanwhile African states aren't like this
>Have colonial master.
>Now he frees you, congrats.
>But leaves you with the artificial borders of his conquest based on the assumption that since he owned you for centuries you're one people.
>But both you and that other tribe know that's exactly not the case is it?

>Diversity will be great to european countries.
>Race is not real we are the same.
>Africa has lots of problems cause people from different ethnicities live in the same country.
Liberalism, not even once.

>>1055664
>HDI

GDP per capita is much better representation of living standards than HDI which takes into account "female politicial involvement" and therefore boosts Communist statistics a ton.

Either way, Vietnam is 140 and Nigeria 150 in HDI. They are roughly similar in that sense because only .005 separates them.

>>1055659
>Mixing VASTLY different cultures (See Europe and middle east/ Africa/ native american) breeds MASSIVE conflict.

only if you add socio economic struggle
there are more ethnicites in my neighborhood then you have ever seen in your life, aint anybody hating eachother becasuse of what god they pray to, what colour they have or what holidays they find important
i literally have muslims, hindus, sikhs, buddisths, christians and atheists on my fucking street you dont see any hate during the summer bbqs, ofc there is a wide variety of meat on the bbq but is about as bad as it gets

dont tell me multiculturalism dosent work because it fucking does

aslong as everyone is living comfortably in middle class

>>1055691
No one is pressing africans to not separate their countries into 30 little ones.
Blame them not us.
They are free now.

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>>1055384
Why do people bitch about Arbitrary African borders as the cause for its problems when Southeast Asia is the fucking same? And they're moving upwards nonetheless?

>>1055696
>aslong as everyone is living comfortably in middle class
Yo mean never?

>>1055700
Because they can accept the fact that not everyone is equal.
These people are egalitarians, don't try to discuss with them.

>>1055697
>No one is pressing africans to not separate their countries into 30 little ones.
True
'>Blame them not us.
I was blaming their colonial masters you dumbsit. Any of the declining Euronegroes still colonial? No? Well then.

I was just taking a potshot at your incredibly stupid equation of African Countries with American """""""""""""""States""""""""""""".

>>1055700
because you're ignoring the countless ways that africa is different from southeast asia

>>1055707
The people that live in those states are not the ones that created them, those were 40 rich anglos just as the colonial masters you talk about.
Just look at South America too, they aren't as bad as Africa.
Why?
It's simple, the majority of people is not african in latin countries.
What country of America has more blacks?
Haiti.
What's the most fucked up cuntry?
Haiti
Notice any pattern?

>>1055714
>countless ways that africa is different from southeast asia
They aren't countless there's just one.
Blacks and asians are different, end of the story.

>>1055552

This is probably the right answer. However Africa was westernized a lot in the span of a century. Prior to the arrival of the European powers in the mid XIX there was just huts, lances and tribal way of life. Not to mention a completely different culture and attitude towards life. One century later, well it might look like a shithole but the change is amazing.

A fair comparison would be the aliens colonizing USA and building all sorts of alien infrastructure and proselytizing a totally alien culture and way of life, without caring much about educating the local americans or promoting the development of a local american middle class modeled after the alien cultural uses, ideas and values of what that actually means. And then one century later we could draw a comparison between USA and the aliens native planet, and see how things have changed and how civilized and proper looks America in comparison to the Alien homeland.

Tbh, I put my money on the Africans as best performers.

>>1055701
obviously everyone cant be middle class

but if people dont have to figth just to put food on the table and a roof over their heads or feel the need to resort to crime just to get ahead then the majority of the MASSIVE conflict you are talking about wouldent exist

TL DR people aint pissed because their neighboor is diffrent they pissed because they stuck in a debt trap

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>>1055700
Because Southeast Asia did not have the same experience as Africa.

For one thing, a lot of SEAsian countries WERE historic countries. Not arbitrary creations.
>Kingdom of Thailand
>Kingdom of Burma.
>The Empire of Vietnam (funny as that sounds).
>Kingdom of Cambodia.
Then you have the people in Island Southeast Asia.
>Sultanate of Borneo.
>The various sultanates and empires that existed in Indonesia.
Literally centuries of people who lived with each other.

The only truly artificial one is the Philippines. BUT THERE'S A TWIST!
>300 years of Spic rule.
300. Compare that to 100 or even less years of Whitey in Africa. Spanish presence led to the creation a completely new identity of Hispanic Asians with Funny Latino names, and despite being linguistically disunited, were united in that hybrid Native-Hispanic culture that developed there.

In addition, the fact that the traditional method of rule in the Philippines was "the strongest warlord on the block" was utilized by Spain to rule over the tribes meant that their rule there was stable. Hell the Filipino chieftains were made into Lesser Spanish Nobility even. So a lot of them were happy. Ironically and funnily its the fact that these people begged to be a formal province of Spain and Spain not wanting that to happen started the nationalist separatism there.

So no, Southeast Asia had a different colonial experience than Africa.

>>1055725
Not true, there's no poverty in Europe and people are still pissed off.

>>1055696
>dont tell me multiculturalism dosent work because it fucking does

The moment economic well-being comes to a close, such setting invariably turns into a tinderbox of unrest.

>>1055734
Descolonization was forced by USA and the Soviets and because of it the whole world is doomed.

Africans will be 3 BILLION by the end of the century and they will invade the whole world destroying all thecnological and cultural prosperity just as they ruined all the colonial bridges and train tracks left by europeans.

If descolonization didn't happen, secularism, women rights and faggotry acceptance would have help african population and they would have low birth rates just like in western countries.

>>1055745
a minority of people are pissed of
those who are pissed of the most are the ones living in tent towns or slums with no way of making money since what ever education they have is not valid an no one wants to hire them for menial labour simply because of their last name

then theres the people who grumble Muh immigrants while they ferment in their own hate

>>1055764
>such setting invariably turns into a tinderbox of unrest.
the moment economic well being is removed any community will become a tinderbox of unrest wether its homogeneous or not

>>1055605
>and genetic mutations
im on mobile so i dont have any smug anime girl faces but this is statement is fucking retarded

>>1055745
>there's no poverty in Europe

16% of the european population lives in poverty

>>1055384
because exloitation: Afdter the colonial master leaved africa still had far less infrastucture compared to others parts of the world. The new goverments exploited the population in the same/similar manner as their former masters.
The population had almost none acces to education.
less education=less hospitals and scoools wich basicly means:Deseases because of the bad hygeenic conditions.
Also it doesnt matter that your country is rich or ressources when the land itself isnt sutable to grow enough food or feed livestock to feed an extremly fast growing population, because of its climate.
Combine that with badly drawn boarders with give that country the ectra destability it needet: than you have it the ultimate shithole, and you now easily get their rescources and workforce with minimal finacial effort.

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>>1055791
its simple evolution my friend

>>1055495
It would make resource extraction much more difficult if you had to dig them out from a mountain that belongs partially to five different "countries", and then drive through 10 other countries before you get to a port where the resources can be shipped to the Western World.

It is very important that the most valuable resources are firmly inside the borders of one country.

>>1055783

>the moment economic well being is removed any community will become a tinderbox of unrest wether its homogeneous or not

Not true. Multiculturalism does not work, see every country on earth has some assimilation/borderline assimilation integration programs.

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>>1055766
>Africans will be 3 BILLION by the end of the century

Yes, because it is soooooo feasible to predict population shifts for the next 84 years. :^)

Have a population pyramid for Namibia, one of the few African countries which stopped chimping out and began working instead. You can see the trace of massive populace growth, but now it has stabilized due to country emerging from the state of economical hellhole.

Meanwhile your prediction is built upon assumption that Africans will never stop chimping out.

>>1055816
>Meanwhile your prediction is built upon assumption that Africans will never stop chimping out.

Yes. And?

>>1055766
You know that stereotypical scientist in the movies that's given shitloads of time way over the deadline, continually fails, and when shit hits the fan they always say "I could fix this! If only we had more time!" even though it's obvious that they can't? That's you. African colonization was broke before the Berlin Conference even took place.

>>1055783
>>1055815

>a minority is pissed off

Holy hell lad.

SD is rising to become Sweden's biggest party, PS is the second largest party in the Finnish Gov, UKIP would have been one of the largest parties if not for FPP, Le Pen is extremely popular.

Anti-multiculti parties are rising (and in many places in power) all over Europe.

>>1055415
>>1055417
What's the source?

>>1055783
>those who are pissed of the most are the ones living in tent towns or slums with no way of making money since what ever education they have is not valid an no one wants to hire them for menial labour simply because of their last name
wat

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>>1055451
>its a "Europeans draw straight lines on maps and wonder why there is conflict" episode

>>1055831
You're thinking of Marxists

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>>1055840
>why do these bulgars keep fighting wars wtf

>>1055835
There >>1055472

>>1055831
Internet would've make all the colonies stable.

>>1055696
>muh personal anecdote
This is not an argument
>>1055671
It does take a while to sort out SOME differences, but you want to introduce NEW massive ones?

>>1055816
>Meanwhile your prediction is built upon assumption that Africans will never stop chimping out.
Exactly.

>>1055667
>yes that's exactly what I'm saying
This is b8.
No longer responding

>>1055847
>>1055472
thanks senpai

>>1055803

What about Ashkenazi Jews? Their genetic makeup translates into higher cancer rates due to limited gene pool, yet they are still amongst the most intelligent and prolific groups among humankind.

>>1055696
>Everyone is happy when shits going good
Wow, whooda thunk.
The real show of problems comes during hardship.

>>1055845
I mean, you're not wrong, but you're not right either.

>>1055848
>Internet makes things stable
Meanwhile in the Middle East and Latin America...

>>1055451
Borders wouldn't change shit.

Look at yours - you have several ethnic groups with no real resources, not even access to watersources other than rain.
How the hell do you think those "purely ethnic" countries would work?

>>1055861
>Meanwhile in the Middle East and Latin America...
Right, the US is stable.

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>>1055472
Holy shit the part at 9:50
The dude say "fiston" (familiar for son in French) when people ask his name
Wtf is wrong with these people

>>1055832
and if you ask the people vote for these parties if they are doing it simply because they are mad people with diffrent cultures living in their country they will say no you fucking retard im doing it because i agree with their immigration policy

>Anti-multiculti parties are rising

there is no such thing, if you would have said anti immagration i would have agreed with you

>>1055860
so that poses the real question are the cultural problems simply biproducts of socio economic strife, or are they always there bubbling under the surface

>>1055877
Is the translator fucking with them both then, making it so the asian calls the driver "son" all the time?

That translator keeps fucking around throughout the movie actually, must feel great to be one of very few intelligent and witty guys around, like being the dedicated driver in a drinking company. You can always get others to entertain you by doing stupid shit.

>>1055472
>Comments are disabled for this video.

This is a recent development, they weren't when I first saw it.
Thanks, /pol/!

>>1055896
>Thanks, SWJs who can't debate for shit and always go full 1984 when they can

ftfy

>>1055451
that map is so stupid.

>>1055885
Under the surface

>>1055803
mutations =/= genetic diversity due to mixing

>>1055900
Everything about this continent is

>>1055899
How do you debate a wave of

>WE WUZ KANGZ N SHIED
>YO HOL UP
>Fucking niggers. These niggers should've supported the niggering road the belgians left them, fucking niggers. Instead they nignog around like niggering niggers and nigger the road away niggers.
>SJWs on suicide watch.
>This is why we need a race war in the USA #makeamericagreatagain
>WE WUZ

>>1055900
One could say Europe is far more stupid
>Already a small area
>Cunts can''t unite for shit.

>>1055911

. . . By not being sour about it, perhaps?

>>1055917
Now compare european achievments to african ones

>>1055878

>when americans talk about European politics

Why do you think they agree with their immigration policy? Because they can perceive the problems migrants cause, and these problems derive from cultural differences.

Work ethics, respect of individuals (mainly women), respect of the law and the government, religion and so on and so on. They won't say "I don't what them here because of cultural difference" but they will say "I don't want them here, because they don't work" - and their lack of working stems directly from cultural issues.

>>1055691
>he owned you for centuries
Most of Africa was under European rule for less than 80 years.

>>1055923
>just don't be sour about a horde of morons taking an alphabet shit on your video

Don't be sour your comments were deleted ; ^ )

>>1055917
We were merging fine until romania send the gypsies and then Merkel went full retard.
We were becoming the USOE without major problems until 2008.

>>1055924
Population of Africa
>1.111 billion
Population of Europe
>742.5 million

Area of Africa:
>30.22 million km2
Area of Europe:
>10.18 million km2

And Africa has more of X, where X is an important resource.
Seems like Africa wins.

>>1055948
>3x the size
>not even double the population
>more resources
>too retarded to ever extract them
Yeah, they won alright.

>>1055924
Not the issue here. Just calling your opinions based on the cartography of Africa's ethnicities out.
>HURR WHY ARE THERE SO MANY DIVISIONS OF PEOPLE IN THE SECOND LARGEST CONTINENT IN THE PLANET.

>>1055954
Africa is better in any way other than being rich, and the implications of it.

>>1055956
>Not the issue here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvfhmhITkYY

>>1055964
eric simply eric

>>1055962
>Africa is better in any way other than being rich, and the implications of it.
>can't feed itself
>severe lack of potable water
>indigeneous disease rampant even in the age of modern medicine
>constant in fighting
>lack of arable land
>lack of everything except people, disease, and unextractable resources
>better in any way
Africa isn't better in any way.

>>1055969
>all implications of poverty

>>1055962

Care to elaborate?

>>1055933
>youtube forces the uploader at gunpoint to read the comments
cool

>>1055972
I mean that if you take away the implications of relative poverty, and only look at the physical facts, Africa is a better place than Europe.
Its simply better material, and has more potential.

>>1055974
>youtube forced retards at gunpoint to leave shitposts on videos they see

Coolio nigga.

>>1055964
I'm actually not White. Not African either.

I bet for you, Asia is a stupid map as well because it has so many divisions of people.

>>1055969
>Africa isn't better in any way.

It was, but then evil scientist Yakub created white race which snuffed out the glorious civilization of that vast continent.

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>>1055605
>hybrid vigor meme

>>1055971
>lack of arable land is an implication of poverty
Sociology major raus. If you're going to shill for Africa at least give us reasons why it's better. You won't because you don't have any, but you're going to call me a racist for objectively calling out the African continent for being shit.

>>1055992
It has arable land, Africa was used to feed the Roman Empire.
And there is more down south, that was never developed because POVERTY.

>>1055975

This simply isn't true. Extreme weather conditions which rave Africa since times immemorial made it so that Africans had little reasons to pursue permanent settlements on any wider scale. Mudhuts woven from sticks and earth didn't come from 'Dinduism', but from hostile environment which made other types of building inefficient.

>>1055696
ttps://ose.utsc.utoronto.ca/ose/story.php?id=2135
>Previous research shows people are less likely to feel connected to people outside their own ethnic groups, and we wanted to know why,says Gutsell. What we found is that there is a basic difference in the way people's brains react to those from other ethnic backgrounds. Observing someone of a different race produced significantly less motor-cortex activity than observing a person of one's own race.

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0095660
>Our analysis shows that peace does not depend on integrated coexistence, but rather on well defined topographical and political boundaries separating groups

http://msutoday.msu.edu/news/2013/study-asks-is-a-better-world-possible/
>policymakers have attempted to create communities where a diverse group of residents not only live close to one other but also interact freely -in other words, neighborhoods that are both integrated and socially cohesive.
>The more integrated a neighborhood is, the less socially cohesive it becomes, and vice versa.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/eon2007-06-25jl.html
https://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity/
>Harvard political scientist Robert Putnam, author of Bowling Alone, is very nervous about releasing his new research, and understandably so.
>His five-year study shows that immigration and ethnic diversity have a devastating short- and medium-term influence on the social capital, fabric of associations, trust, and neighborliness that create and sustain communities.

Now provide sources for "diversity is our strength", other than your shitty anecdote

>>1056000
Egypt used to feed the Roman Empire.

But now Egypt has a population of 80 million, increasing by 2 million per year, and can barely feed itself, which will probably throw it into civil war eventually.

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>>1056000
It sure does, Wewuz.

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>>1055978
It is man's nature to deface

>>1056000
>Africa was used to feed the Roman Empire.

Egypt was the token breadbasket of Roman Empire, not Subsaharan Africa. This is WEWUZ grade of retarded.

>>1056009
Your image shows it having better farming land than any of the Americas, or Australia.

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>>1056000
Rhodesia was the breadbasket of Africa, but as soon as Mugabe got in power and the farmers were kicked out it went to shit

>>1056015
>>1056007
>Egypt isnt Africa

WE WUZ EGYPTIANS AN ESSPRESSO

>>1055608
Neither is posting memes

>>1056005
>Our analysis shows that peace does not depend on integrated coexistence, but rather on well defined topographical and political boundaries separating groups

This is visible within Malaysia and Indonesia. Both include plethora of minor cultures, yet each such culture is strongly defined and accentuated while having no bearing on national culture. Only western societies came to conclusion that preservation of multiple cultures requires to drown them out completely and mash their remains into one pulp.

>>1056020
>Your image shows it having better farming land than any of the Americas
Wut. There's more arable land between the United States and Mexico than in the entire African continent. There's more arable land in Australia than any solitary African country.

>>1056032
Malaysia has huge internal problems though, Singapore does not.
And the PAP is basically a fascist party.

>>1056020

It is around the average for South America, numbskull.

>>1056035
>africa has some 40+ land, the americas dont
>africa has some 35-39 land, the americas dont
>africa has some 30-34 land, the america dont
>adding the 15-19 land area about equals that of the americas

South Africa, Nigeria, Morocco and Ethiopia can feed Africa.

>>1055451
It's not like each european country is fully homogenous discounting non-European migrants.

Spain has Catalans, Basques, Castillians, Andalusians, Galicians.
Italians are descended from (German) Northern Italians, Greeks, Latins, Albanians, etc.
UK has the English, Welsh, Scots, Northern Irish, Cornish

The difference to me is that European ethnicities in antiquity and the medieval period were able to conquer/trade with each other and coalesce into nations that identify with their state based on shared culture. The "mapmakers" who drew up Africa obviously did so arbitrarily, but there was always going to be some level of arbitrary drawing when considering political concerns and their lack of knowledge on African politics.

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>>1055663
>HURR WHY DO WE HAVE TO KNOW DIFFERENT COUNTRIES? MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ABOUT MUH STATES.
EVERY
FUCKING
TIME.

I swear to god whenever Americans bring that shit up, I'd just politely tell them they elevated the argument and must now learn UK's Component States, each of Germany's Federal States, or France's provinces.

And then they'd bring up ''Our states are larger than most countries!'" bullshit. Congrats, we must now know by heart China's provinces and the states that make up India.

Yanks, I swear to fucking god.

>>1056023
Just being specific. The discussion was about African countries. Not every African country is Egypt.

>>1056058
No, some have better potential for food output than Egypt.
Morocco, Nigeria, South Africa, Zimbabwe, Ethiopia.

>>1055420
Some places like Korea had GDP per capita lower than some African countries. Negros are not fit to be rulers,they are meant to be rulled

>>1056048
>South Africa, Nigeria, Morocco and Ethiopia can feed Africa.

Do you really believe that?

>>1056021
>as soon as Mugabe got in power and the farmers were kicked out it went to shit

You forgot to add the update where they are now hunting rats to survive because everything else got either stolen or destroyed until there was nothing left to steal or destroy.

>>1056048
>what are percentages
Nigeria, the most arable African country BY FAR has a whopping 300,000 km^2 of arable land. The United States alone has 1,650,000 km^2. Australia has 460,000 km^2. Australia has more arable land than South Africa and Nigeria combined. The United States has more than the next 15 African countries combined. Keep showing your idiocy, sociology idiot.

>South Africa, Nigeria, Morocco and Ethiopia can feed Africa.
No, they can't.

>>1056048
Compare the population density in relationship with the arable land as well. Both Americas combined have 50% more land total than Africa, and a smaller population.

>>1055384
Sauce?

>>1056092
Empire of Dust, look it up on youtube.

>>1055605
Nice troll. Homogenous societies are the most prosperous.

>>1055451
>he thinks africa is the only place with different ethnic groups and languages in a country

let's see

belgium - french, german, dutch, walloon
sweden - danish, norwegian, swedish, saami, finnish

etc etc

every country that has ever had a war of conquest has different ethnic groups.

>>1055451
Indonesia and the Philippines had the same problem, but they aren't africa tier

>>1056098

>Ethnic groups

You are confusing ethnicity with nationality. Which is a social construct. Unless you are trying to convince us that Danes and Swedes are different ethnicities.

>>1055793
Relative poverty or absolute?
Because a """"poor"""" in Sweden probably has better livings standards than 90% of the world.

>>1056071
So tired of this argument, it's both offensive to Africans and Koreans. Korea had the advantage of an actual civilization in their past, Africans didn't. To connect the two, especially Korea right after a devastating era of imperialism/warfare, is just asinine.

>>1056104
The Philippines has an civil war down South.

Indonesia has one up west and problems with radical Islam.

>>1056048
>>1056083
Oh and I found this neat little statistic. North Africa and Sub Saharan Africa have a combined arable land total of 154.2 million hectares. North America alone has 221 million hectares.

http://www.statista.com/statistics/269235/arable-land-worldwide-by-region/

WEWUZ BTFO

>>1055714
>>1055719
http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/genetics/ancient-dna-and-neanderthals/sequencing-neanderthal-dna

Neanderthals have contributed approximately 1% to 4% to the genomes of non-African modern humans.

Yes, there's differences, mongoloids & especially caucasians has a high % of neanderthal DNA, africans have none.

>>1055962
Africa is more dangerous,with the highest unemployment rates on this planet and lacks infrastructure. Only a retard would say that Africa is better than Europe.

>>1056120
Hasn't arable land increased over time?

>>1056120
>he quickly forgets the QUALITY of the arable land that he himself posted as soon as it doesnt suit his argument

How long will it take before mods finally lock up this racist thread and send /pol/ their wailing way?

>>1056131
All of these are functions of poverty and dont diminish its potential.

>the look on the african's face
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zLfCnGVeL4

>>1056144
The population is what diminishes it's potential.

>>1056119
>civil war
What civil war? A bunch of terrorists (which aren't even that many nor powerful) chimping out doesn't constitute a civil war

>>1055384
Certain countries taught them how to govern like Britain and Germany. Others like France and Belgium didn't even bother with that. The problem is when the colonial powers left so rapidly and suddenly. They had no idea how to govern themselves due to a primarily tribal mode of thinking. Only a few in their society educated in the West knew proper governance. When the majority of the people can't govern themselves, it's a bad idea to let them pick a leader. It's usually not going to be the guys you trained.

>>1056114
Yes, they are

An ethnic group or ethnicity is a category of people who identify with each other based on common language, ancestral, social, cultural, or national experiences.[1][2] Unlike most other social groups, ethnicity is primarily an inherited status. Membership of an ethnic group tends to be defined by a shared cultural heritage, ancestry, origin myth, history, homeland, language and/or dialect, symbolic systems such as religion, mythology and ritual, cuisine, dressing style, art, and physical appearance.

>>1056120
There is enough potential agricultural land in africa to feed africans.

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>>1056142
>gets BTFO in several arguments
>has to resort to removing dissenting viewpoitns to save face (and ass)
I've got the perfect site for you my friend

>>1056149
High population IS potential. Its why India and China are on the rise.

>>1056116
And Korea was splitted in two,bullied by Japan for decades and sufferrd a terrible war,while places like South Africa or Rhodesia were prosper. Negros are meant to be slaves.

>>1056136
Over time? Yes. Over the last century? No. Industrialization, urbanization and desertification ruined a lot of previously arable land over the last century.


>>1056139
Ah yeah about that, there's still more cultivated land in North America than in Africa.

>>1056158
There isn't even enough agricultural land in Asia to feed the Asians. Africa has the worst arable hectares to population ratios of any continent. The day that Africa can feed itself is the day it purges a shit load of its population.

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/AG.LND.ARBL.HA.PC/countries?display=map

>>1056144
What potential? A bunch of Negros killing each other,with low literacy rates,and lack of qualified people? Most of Africa is dommed to be a shithole. Only very few nations ,will """""prosper""""".

>>1056142
appealing to authority won't win the battle of ideas.

>>1055384
Cold War proxy violence like assassinations, funding rebels and such
with a hint of >>1055451

>>1056172
Look at what China was a century ago.
Look at what India was a century ago. Fuck that, look at what India is today. And yet a rich and powerful state.

Large population and large area are a big potential. South Africa and Nigeria particularly will become very relevant. Egypt may as well, depending on how the power shifts in the Middle East.

>>1056186
China and India were once powerful civilizations, maybe the apex ones at their times, so it's not that surprising that they'd reclaim that crown once again.
But Subsaharan Africa has nearly always been shit, with rare exceptions

>>1056186
South Africa? Mandela killed all its potential. Nigeria is a big if,and as they are negros they will probably end up killing each other in a none sensical civil war.

>>1055685
Africa has more genetic diversity within its boundaries than Asia does.

>>1056200
what exceptions? there hasn't been a single non-semitic nation on the continent of africa that's been successful or relevant in the global scale, there's been regional powers, but nothing more relevant than that

>>1056200
>playing the WE WUZ card

>>1056209
>playing the race card

I accept your surrender.

>>1056210
Which proves it isnt a positive thing

>>1056218
What did he mean by this?

>>1056217
Semites have to be a very diverse group, for them to account for Hittites, Assyrians, Babylon, Israel, Egypt, Morocco, Axum and Ethiopia at the same time.
Basically a catch all for any sort of civilization in the rough area, how convenient for stormfags.

>>1055410

The guy is fluent in three languages, maybe one more. He needs to get the fuck out of there.

>>1056230
>english, french, mandarin and whatever the locals speak

Good resume, could get work anywhere.

>>1056217
Tanganyika was extremely important to the Indian Ocean World trade which was extremely important to global trade well before it was colonized by Omani arabs so.... there you go.

>>1056218
How am I surrendering? Africa is a mess. Negroes all around the world remain poor. And all of Africa is a big mess. I will be surprised if the combined GDP of Africa is close to the one of Germany by 2030

>>1056234
The combined GDP of Africa is the same as that of France, and is catching up to that of Germany.

>>1055384
Foreign powers can ride in and impose whatever top-down political system they like, but at heart, the average African views politics as a tribal affair. You become an influential member of your tribe by making the right gifts to other influential people, typically land, to buy their support. This puts a stranglehold on African development; most of the population is rural, land is everything to rural communities, and the only way to hold land is to play the tribal game. This can be seen clearly in countries like Zimbabwe, where Mugabe takes land from opponents and gifts it to supporters to keep himself in power. Because land is distributed according to political rather than economic considerations, productivity nosedives and the economy crashes. Entire farms have been taken away from competent farmers and given to people who can't farm (and have no interest in learning) but who come from influential families and will support Mugabe in return for this prestige. Which is why he retains an iron grip on power even as half his country starves.

>>1056233
>Tanganyika
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanganyika

wow, look at this importance, truly a global power

>>1056241
>is catching up to that of Germany
That doesn't refute anything he said.

>>1056244
>before it was colonized by Omani arabs
>uses the wikipedia article for 1960
Bravo. You should read a book on Indian Ocean trade or even an academic journal article. Zanzibar and Lindi were extremely important to global trade well before Europeans figured out how to sail around the fucking cape.

>>1056251
nice words, do you have any facts to back that up with?

>>1056261
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>/pol/

>>1056265
nice argument

>>1055497
Yes!
So why did they fuck it up?

>>1056265
Is any fact wrong there? Africa is a mess with a huge population and a low GDP and Negros have been enslaved since the times of Egypt.

>>1056260
Go read South Asian Textiles in the World. It talks a lot about how East Africa, specifically Tanganyika and what would become Kenya ensured naval capability of the Arabs and Indians while being the primary importer of Indian textiles (generally only worn by the upper classes of Europe at the time). Alternatively, you could read The Indian Ocean by Abdul Sherrif. You won't because you don't actually give a shit about learning actual facts, but those are my suggestions for you. West Africa is shit, was always shit, and will always be shit, but East Africa was extremely important until the 18th century or so.

>>1056276
>Is any fact wrong there?
Yes
>Africa is a mess with a huge population
Africa's got a tiny population relative to it's size

>and a low GDP and Negros have been enslaved since the times of Egypt.
irrelevant

>>1056265
Blacks are a mess desu

>>1056286
What fact is wrong then? Population density is irrelevant when you compared sheer numbers. In fact,it goes in my favour,basically because a low population density are shouldnt have those unemployment numbers
>Population of Africa:1,6 billion
>Population of France 60 million.
Negros were always pawns. They were not meant to be rulers. It has been proven in South Africa and Rhodesia.

>>1056276
To be fair, pre-Reconquest, the Arab world could just as well have mocked Europeans for being backward slaves (as could a good chunk of Asia). Look at how spectacularly that power imbalance reversed. Not saying Africa will necessarily do the same, just "historically and presently they're behind us" is no guarantee things will stay that way.

>>1056274
I'm no expert, but
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siad_Barre
This guy seems to have fucked things up during his 21 years in power, after which a power vaccuum emerged. We can blame the inefficacy of the civilian government that preceded him, we can blame Italy, I don't know. Maybe we can blame the people the film Black Hawk Down is about.

>>1056295
>To be fair,
I don't understand what this post has to do with fairness. What does this have to do with the argument you're counterarguing against?

>>1056280
your & other peoples opinions aren't facts bud

>>1056302
>To be fair

It's a way of saying "I disagree with you but hopefully we can keep this polite". Now do you want to actually respond to what I said, or are you going to nitpick over a saying so you can dodge the actual argument put forward?

>>1056307
Ah, yes. Forgive me. How could primary sourced academic literature on the Indian Ocean not be an opinion? Thank you, stormweenie, for showing me the light.

>>1056295
The Arab """"""golden"""""" age was just ripping the knowledge of Byzantium (a branch of an European empire) and Persians. Europe has had glorious civilizations,since the greeks,and Europeas have leaded the 2 last most important periods in history,the age of exploration and the industrial revolution. On the other hand negros have done nothing worth notice.

>>1056315
I'm not the person you're responding to.
>>1056307
He's objectively correct. The Indian Ocean trade is one of the most historically significant.

>>1056319
Texts were copied and translated.
Other texts were written and created.
Discoveries were made.

It wasnt LOL THEY COPIED THE GREEKS like retards believe.

Because warlords and no tradition of good government

>>1056317
>hey go read this and do this so i don't have to provide facts

unless you can toss em' up on the table right now, you've got nothing

>>1056330
Most of it was just studying the greeks and persians. When Islam made Persia a backwards shithole,the so called arab golden age died.

>>1056319
>muh cultural appropriation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_inventions

You could just a well argue that the great Western powers were founded on the backs of '''ripped off''' inventions from other cultures. The truth is, there's no such thing as stealing an idea. Good ideas will spread and become the foundation for more good ideas, this is how civilisation works.

>>1056328
I never said you were :^)

>>1056338
>an accredited historian's work on the subject is nothing
>pls spoonfeed me or else you lose the argument

You are a little goober

>>1056344
Many types of drugs and medicine, smoking waterpipe/bong, a few musical instruments, including the guitar and lute, metal glazed pottery, types of water mills, fucking COFFEE were all discovered and popularized during the islamic golden age.

Are you going to tell me that coffee and guitars haven't influenced the world and are irrelevant?

>>1056338
>unless you can toss em' up on the table right now, you've got nothing
>Make claim
>That isn't fact
>It is and you can read about it here
>Sources aren't facts
I'm not fucking copy pasting hundreds of pages worth of documents for you. Here's the fucking gist
>Arabs don't have lumber so can't build ships
>East Africans build dhows and have shit loads of wood
>Arabs can now trade by sea
>East Africans use the money from building dhows and sending food and lumber to the Middle East to buy more Gujarati textiles than any other region is capable
>Portuguese try to trade with East Africans, but they don't want shitty European cloth
>Europeans begin privateering in the Indian Ocean because no one wants to trade with them
>Trade slows or falls apart
>Europeans squeeze East Africa out of the market by conquering the now falling apart India that was over-reliant on trade with Arabia and Africa
>East Africa colonized by Omani Arabs who take advantage of the lack of open market
>Tanganyikans raid congo to sell as slaves to Omanis
>Germans move in to shut down slave trade
There you go. I just summarized over a 1000 years of fucking history for you. Now go pick up a fucking book.

>>1056345
The west was influenced by China. What is your point Muhamad? What did arabs contributed,other than slight advances and copying Persians,until they made it a backwards shithole, and European works. Right now,90% of the crap that you use was design and thought by a western person.

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>>1056364
Strait outta Google, Muhamad.

>>1056354
Yes,I bet that Opium guitars and coffee have had the same impact as the age of exploration,the industrial revolution,calculus or aviation.
All the Arab golden age is bullshit. Goat fuckers just ripped off most of Persian,until they made it a backwards shithole, and European knowledge.

>>1056364
You do realise you're not actually responding to my argument, right? I'm pointing out that Europeans used to be behind various Asian powers (they were) and then surged ahead (they did) as a counterexample to the claim that Africa has been behind up to this date, so logically must always be behind. I'm not interested in quantifying to what extent Arab civilisation took in other ideas vs produced their own ideas vs Europe.

>>1056370
Half of those are Spanish/Iberians,and the other half is nothing impressive for a supposed """golden""" age. The list Reinassence alone trumps that. And if we bring the industrial revolution or ancient Rome and Greece ....

>>1056394
>they are white when it suits me

WE WUZ ISLAMIX AND SHIEIEEET

>>1056349
>>1056302
>What does this have to do with the argument you're counterarguing against?
You still haven't answered this question. I honestly don't see the significance of pointing out that Arabs were doing things while Europeans weren't in a thread about African colonialism.

>>1056382
They were """behind""" because a crisis,as the most important empire in history just felt. After that crisis Europeans developed modern art,architrcture and literature, modern mathematics,economics and navigation.
Can negros claim to have the most important ancient empire?
No
Have negros ever contributed anything as significant as calculus ever?
No.
Your point is retarded

>>1056398
They were Iberians. The other great contributions came mainly from Persia. So the 2 cultural focus of the arab golden age were not even arab. Does the truth hurt Mohamed?

>>1056418
No, seeing how if I let you decide who is muslim and who isnt, there'd be less than a million muslims worldwide.
I accepted you are a moron a few posts ago and am happy to let you live in delusion.

>>1056409
It's called a counter-example. By showing an example situation where your argument does not work, the logic of your argument must necessarily be incorrect.

>>1056412
Fine then, go back to pre-Greek times if it suits you. Asia had civilisations for millennia before Athens took root. At any point, one of them could have said:

>Can whites claim to have the most important ancient empire?
>No
>Have whites ever contributed anything as significant as calculus ever?
>No
>Anybody claiming Europeans might in the future build important civilisations is clearly delusional

>>1056243
>Entire farms have been taken away from competent farmers and given to people who can't farm (and have no interest in learning) but who come from influential families and will support Mugabe in return for this prestige. Which is why he retains an iron grip on power even as half his country starves.
but how are these families/tribes wealthy and powerful if they can't fucking farm? You can only sit on top of a pile of cash for so long and be a fuckwit. After awhile you're just a poor fuckwit with nothing. Surely they are good at something productive?

>>1056430
>By showing an example situation where your argument does not work
How does the argument not work, though?
Nobody has mentioned the future but you. You're strawmanning hard.

>>1056426
Who was talkig about muslim.? I was talking about ARABS. Islam poluted places like Persia,this is just a fact. The 2 great focus of the arab golden age were ironically not arab.

>>1056449
It isnt the golden ARAB age, it is the islamic golden age.
And the conversation started about islam, you just strawmanned when confronted with reality.

>>1056430
If we go back to pre Greek era,you would be kind of right,but at that time Europeans were working with metals and had alphabets,while negroes,well,they were enslaved,and were living in the stone age.

>>1056434
>but how are these families/tribes wealthy and powerful if they can't fucking farm? You can only sit on top of a pile of cash for so long and be a fuckwit. After awhile you're just a poor fuckwit with nothing. Surely they are good at something productive?

Unfortunately, the situation is relative. The people holding the farms only have to remain powerful versus the people living in the same country, but *without* any farmland. Even if their tribe is only getting 5% of the previous harvest, it's still better than nothing.

Of course, what you said is also happening on a large scale. A lot of people who were given farmland are now destitute and Mugabe has faced rebellions which will only grow stronger with time. But it's not yet reached the point he has no power base left. Don't forget he can also used international food aid as a political gift/weapon.

>>1056441
>How does the argument not work, though?

Your entire claim was "Africans haven't been relevant up until now, so they can never be relevant". I pointed out a situation where an ethnic group was irrelevant for a long time, but then became relevant, thereby showing your argument is wrong. Past relevance has been shown to not always be an indication of future relevance.

>>1056473
Still not sure what this disproves.

>>1056495
What is your IQ?

>>1056507
I've never taken an IQ test.
I say again that you're the only person I see whining about the future. The other anon was talking about natural history and heredity, not the future.

>>1056495
Not him, but it's a common occurrence throughout history. Imagine a Roman looking at Germans thinking, "these fucking Germanic niggers will never achieve anything, their culture is too degenerate and low class" and suddenly Germany eclipses Italy 2000 years later. It just takes time, senpai. Nothing about our culture or genetics is set in stone, most humans just look at the past 30 - 50 years and assume that things have always been this way and that they should continue to be this way.

>>1056495
If you read the comment chain back, I'm refuting the statement

>Negros cant build civilizations. They were born to be slaves. Even Egyptians knew that negros were only useful as slaves

With supporting argument

>Africa is a mess with a huge population and a low GDP and Negros have been enslaved since the times of Egypt

In short, the poster(s) used the current and past state of Africa to extrapolate out that Africans "cant build civilizations" and were "born to be slaves". I gave counter-examples to the effect that extrapolation in this way is not logically valid.

>>1055384
They did. Only problem was the civilization the colonial powers left behind was a government organized for two things: to extract raw resources to the benefit of the mineral rights owners and to provide entertainment for the colonists who lived there.

>>1055384
From a latin american perspective, much of the conservation of colonization values and goods came from the fact that the independence efforts were not organized and led by the natives, or their chieftains, but by the bourgeois (both European and Mixed race) living in the colonies and that wanted the crown to fuck off. Not sure if this was the case with African colonies, but I highly doubt it.

>>1056513
>tfw wasting my time arguing with no-IQ people

At least usually its low IQ.

>>1056515
>It just takes time, senpai
This is a history board, not a future board.
>I gave counter-examples to the effect that extrapolation in this way is not logically valid.
Counterexamples involving Persian perceptions of Europe, not of Africans building great civilizations.

>>1056517
Negros were never relevant.

>>1055384
African politics -- speaking as broadly as I only can when dealing with a continent -- is still stuck in tribal dealings. There's democracy, yeah, but people don't vote based on who think is best for the job: they vote based on family and tribal lines.

It's not a good way to run a state, and it does lead to infighting, stagnation and corruption. Things are getting better, but it takes a long time to wean people onto a new way of thinking.

>>1056547
>they vote based on family and tribal lines.

So Africa is full of alt-right people?

>>1056554
No, it's full of blacks.
Every black person I've ever known has been all about "muh family, muh hood"
Except the smart ones

>>1056546
That's not even an argument, just a statement. I'm not arguing that Africa has ever been a centre of civilisation. Rather, I'm saying that their past does not determine their future. There's no inescapable reason why this must mean they can never be relevant.

>>1056554
Don't be silly, alt-right people don't vote and are hated by their families.

>>1056560
>Rather, I'm saying that their past does not determine their future.
So you're fucking strawmanning

>>1056554
Pretty much. Though obviously it's not alt-right by African standards. More like traditional conservatism, with nationalism and religion as liberal insurgencies (you think Islam is backward, you should see the tribal laws it's replacing).

>>1056559
That... sounds like the alt-right to me...

>>1056560
Their future seems pretty dark,no pun intended, and they have never had a record of success.

>>1056578
What are you talking about? I honestly don't think you know anything about the alt right.

>>1056560
>that their past does not determine their future
oh yes it does.
This is just a bubble that will soon burst, as it always does.
Africans simply aren't capable of supporting a civilization

>>1056571
That's not a straw man. Why do you think it is? Also, I'm not making a positive claim regarding African capabilities. I'm saying you can't know for sure either way.

>>1056598
>Why do you think it is? Also, I'm not making a positive claim regarding African capabilities
That's why, the argument you're countering is an argument about African capabilities. You're arguing against a position that nobody has taken.

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>>1055656

>>1056591
You can make that claim, but it's a theory/suggestion. There's no hard evidence to make it definitive.

>>1056582
>they have never had a record of success

Have you read anything I've posted in this thread? Anything at all?

>>1056606
top drawer kek

>>1056604
>You're arguing against a position that nobody has taken

See >>1056517

>>1056609
That is what I am saying. Their future seems dark,and they dont have a good record to support their case

>>1056621
In which case, great. We don't actually disagree.

>>1056616
"Negroes can't do X, were born to be slaves"
Nothing about the future
A lot about heredity and capacity
Again, you're saying "HURR ANYONE CAN SAY THAT ABOUT ANYONE ELSE," which isn't an argument against anything.

>>1056626
Did you just quit on him here?

>>1056576

Huh, no wonder /pol/ loves Trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FPrJxTvgdQ

>>1056627
Saying that somebody can't do something is saying something about the future. It's saying they can't do that thing in the future. How can you not get this?

>>1056646
>Saying that somebody can't do something is saying something about the future.
Sure, but that anon is making his claims about the past, based on observations of the way Africans are. Can you counter his claims about African nature?
>How can you not get this
How can you not get that you're making a useless argument that isn't countering anything significant?

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>>1056639
>Trevor Noah
This piece of shit does not deserve a TV show

>>1056589
Well then, describe it for me and lets find-out what it really is then?

>>1055651
At least commies care about what happens in this world rather then being in a mad rush to get to the next. Also they'd have the decency to do it with a bullet to the back of the head rather then the shit ISIS gets up to. Commies are alright compared to those guys, they're fucking crazy.

>>1056054
This is retarded. As a Texan, I might have a banterous hatred for California, but I don't pretend they're something fundamentally different from me. Even the states and provinces of Europe countries themselves are more diverse than US states, it's not like there's a divide like Scots v English v Welsh v Gaelic (Lowlands, England, Wales, Highlands) or Low Saxon v High German v Friscian (north, south and coastal Germany).

It's ridiculous to think so.

>>1055465
>>1055472
EVERY THREAD. Somebody has shilled this video hard.

>>1056123
>WE WUZ NEANDERTHALS AND SHIT
fun fact, neanderthals died out because thry are genetically inferior

>>1057134
We don't know exactly why they died out, but it probably was because of our ability to reproduce quickly.
That doesn't mean 100% of everything in a neanderthal is inferior.

>>1057182
Nope, just enough to kill them and to slow down the reproduction rates of whites and asians.

>>1055384
Does anyone know the source to this?

>>1058254
EMPIRE OF DUST
READ THE THREAD YOU AUTIST