>there are AMERICANS who don't like FDR Explain this

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>>1050086
FRANKLIN DINDU NUFFIN HE WAS A GOOD HE WAS A GOOD BOY


Fucking please, sure he did some good things but he also royally fucked up at times as well. The only reason he is revered is because he led us through the depression (and did a marginal job at that) and into one of the largest wars we have ever seen.

Besides he was a shadow compared to his brother.

>>1050113

>brother

>>1050113
They were distant cousins

>inb4 "it was the war that saved the economy he did nothing" or "he caused a recession in a recession!"

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>>1050123
>>1050130

I'm sorry I have autism, I'll consider killing myself later.

He backed the wrong side in the war

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He was Anglo sympathetic scum

>Explain this to me please.
Because I hate Wilson, and FDR is just Wilson Turboautistx200
>I mean, unless you were autistic Naziboo, why the fuck would you hate him?
I assume this means you're going to call everyone who doesn't like him a "/pol/fag redneck sister fucking Nazi KKK Whyte supremacist"
>He made America superpower,
Off of the backs of other countries, by destroying the last of the principles that founded this nation.
>he won WW2,
No he didn't, the citizens of the United States won WW2
>he defeated major economic crisis.
Incorrect, the war is what spurred us out of the crisis, not his tyrannical policies.
>The life in 50's, often idolized here, was practically made by Roosevelt.
This is not an argument

>>1050086
Literally worst president

>>1050086
>tried to stuff Supreme Court with his cronies so some of the less constitutional new deal policies were passed
>interned Japs in camps
>he wuz a good boy

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I love the guy. One reason was because he was instrumental into driving Adolph Hitler to blow his own brains out.

now that's funny

>>1050342
>C'mon aunt Diane!

>>1050289
>I hate social security and minimum wage
>BUT DON'T LUMP ME IN WITH /POL/!!!!!!!
Kekkles. Lolbertarians are the most hilarious posters on /his/

>>1050373

Don't do it, Jimmy!

>>1050265
Is that really Mosley with FDR?
Makes them both more based.

That being said, FDR basically instituted very limited limited socialism (or pseudosocialism if you're really nitpicky and retarded) to combat the radical left. There are good reasons to despise him if you aren't an American liberal.
But I am an American liberal :D

>>1050086
Without him the crisis would end 2 days after it started but because of him it lasted till 1990.

>>1050466
t. Von Mises

>>1050387
>muh /pol/
>implying social security and minimum wage are absolutely necessary
>You're a Nazi racist bigot /pol/ tard if you disagree with me
Just as I predicted

>>1050086
he should have locked up the germans too desu

>>1050607
>>1050466
>trust me bros, this shit will sort itself out, the market is a mystical and divine being xD

>>1050387
Wew great job addressing his points lad

>>1050086
Court Packing, now that's some high-level Constitutional double think.

>>1050387
Not even close to an argument

>>1050623
strawman

>>1050648
>he wasn't perfect and most everyone agrees this was a shitty thing of him to attempt
Complete shit president, accomplished nothing, should've been assassinated.

>>1050141
>imblyign the sudden need for arms and ammunition wasn't a great opportunity for US industry

>>1050660
>I fetishize president legless and get angry when people who aren't socialist weeaboo neets don't like him

K

>>1050727
I don't have much of an opinion about him.

Just dropped in to see the two ever conflicted sides arguing over their extreme opinions about him so that I might find a balanced view of his legacy.

FDR was a great president. Sure, he made some bad policy choices, but he also kept the American morale high. Whether you think his economic policies worked his fireside chats and demeanor kept America from going apeshit. Plus he did it all while having polio

Anyone who hates FDR has no sense of historical perspective. He was a complicated person. And

>>1050766
>And
anon?

>>1050086
The New Deal is as much a failure as Wilson's Great Society.

In the words of an actual US President, "The problem IS the government." --RWR

>>1050086
Look up the Court packing scandal

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>>1050777
>Wilson's Great Society
>Wilson
>Great
>Society

>>1050803
Why are you on a history board if you don't know any history?

>>1050808
So why are you here?

>>1050387
How is this an argument again?

>>1050086
Didn't he remove blacks from the civil service and not specify blacks in the new deal
The KANGZ would get pissed with that

>>1050821
Other leaders such as Hugh S. Johnson of the NRA took ideas from the Woodrow Wilson Administration, advocating techniques used to mobilize the economy for World War I. They brought ideas and experience from the government controls and spending of 1917–18. Other New Deal planners revived experiments suggested in the 1920s, such as the TVA.

Why are you here?

>>1050265
Egomaniac couldn't be photographed in his wheelchair. Fundamentally dishonest.

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>>1050803

Welsh's Grape Society?

>>1050848
I believe the term is "Grape Drank".

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>>1050847
>Fundamentally dishonest.
If I knew people wouldn't vote for me just because I was in a wheel chair regardless of my politics, I'd do the same and wouldn't consider myself dishonest, just...taking wise approach to the low information voter.

>>1050840
What the fuck does that have to do with the Great Society, a social program from the LBJ era?

>>1050808
Either retard or meme baiter.
Wilson wasn't the President who had a policy known as the Great Society.
Either way, kill yourself.

>>1050882
>>1050889
Because he is a retarded /pol/ack that learned his "historical facts" from a shitty YouTube video. Kinda like /lit/ and John Green.

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>>1050766
>And

>>1050896
Sounds like a question begging epithet

Do you have proof for these claims?
Also off topic and not a argument

>>1050896
>>1050289
>I assume this means you're going to call everyone who doesn't like him a "/pol/fag redneck sister fucking Nazi KKK Whyte supremacist"

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>>1050113
>one of the largest wars we have ever seen
>one of

>>1050265
>>1050875
No, wait, why is seeing him sitting down in all these photos making me sad.

>>1050896
Where did you get that, /leftypol/?

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>>1050113
>brother

>>1050882
WWI

WWII

Same measures taken.

Historical events reoccur.

Plebs on /his/ confused.

>>1050889
>>1050896

Not sure how you people cross the road by yourselves. Maybe that's just a bad assumption on my part.

>>1051060
What the fuck does that have to do with the Great Society, a social program from the LBJ era?

>>1051030
I do wish Trump would have run Bull Moose. I truly do.

>>1051069
I already gave you the cite. Maybe read it this time?

>>1050840

>>1051070
>I do wish Trump would have run Bull Moose
He's not a conservationist. The Bull Moose party shouldn't be revived by an industrialist who'd end a species for a golf course or a tower.

>>1051073
I'll ask you, for a third time: what does any of this have to do with Lyndon B. Johnson's social program, the only thing anyone thinks of when they hear "Great Society" and know a thing or two about American history?

>>1051089
>The Bull Moose party shouldn't be revived by an industrialist who'd end a species for a golf course or a tower.
Conservationism is a scam. The federal government shouldn't own that much land. The national parks should be sold off to Americans and developed by the private sector.

>>1051104
When I say "liberal" I mean classical liberal. I may very well vote for Trump.

>>1051100
Then the bull moose party scam isn't for you or trump.

I happen to like the scam. National parks are great.

>>1051130
>I happen to like the scam.
Well, you really shouldn't like scams, it's not virtuous.
>National parks are great.
For what? Hiking?

>>1051143
>For what? Hiking?
and camping, picnics, getting away from society for a while.

After reviewing the definition, I think we're working with the wrong label "scam".

>a dishonest scheme; a fraud
You'll have to point the dishonesty inherent in the creation of parks and preserves.

Having read some a book on TR's life and his conservationism, his motivations struck me as straightforward and pure.

>>1051170
>and camping, picnics, getting away from society for a while.
I'm honestly not convinced that these are good reasons to prevent private citizens from owning and developing that land.
>>a dishonest scheme; a fraud
That's your definition. Mine is "a scheme to deprive people of wealth without their realizing it."
>Having read some a book on TR's life and his conservationism, his motivations struck me as straightforward and pure.
At this point, it's a scam.

>>1051185
>I'm honestly not convinced that these are good reasons to prevent private citizens from owning and developing that land.
And I don't think I could change your mind on that, but the preservation of wild places and native animal populations is worth more to me and others who enjoy nature than the potential wealth of the private citizen. It is for the public good. If these lands were restricted to government use and development without oversight, then I'd see things your way.

>>1051185
>That's your definition.
That's the internet's definition and what you described was a type of scam, not the definition of a scam.

>At this point, it's a scam.
There's land yet to be developed and plenty awaiting revitalization and investment.

My great (great?) grandparents apparently worked for the Hoover election campaign, and when he lost they ended up destitute during the Great Depression, and hated FDR for it out of spite for the rest of their lives.

Other Americans? I don't know. He helped the poor, taxed the rich. That's enough for some people. The sorts of people who would nowadays be considered ultraconservatives absolutely hated him. And, like with modern ultraconservatives, they didn't really have a rational reason. The fact that he was so successful made them hate them all the more.

>>1051279
My great grandmother tried to blow him up

He was very good on foreign policy, domestic was kind of shit.

>>1051094
Wow, it's amazing you have gotten all the way up to the 8th grade by now, what with your complete and utter lack of reading comprehension. Unfortunately for you, this is an adult board, so please tell mommy and daddy you need to get off the internet now.

>>1050289
Isolationism wasnt really a principle

>>1051547
It kind of was. Not isolationism to be exact, but not "global police force, amerikkka fuck yeah!"

>>1051651
That doesnt work against any of their core principles though.

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>>1051526

His presidency provides an argument for heavy spending on social services, which many Americans are opposed to.

A much smaller minority of people dislike him because they are pacifists and he was a wartime president.

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>>1050777
>Reagan
>a good president

>>1051727
It most certainly does.
That implies that there is one cohesive core set of principles.
But none the less, it does.

>>1050086
FDR blowing the free market good big government bad myth out of the water and his desire to have peaceful relations with the USSR aren't convenient for cold war american ideology, which is incidentally and without exaggeration the direct or root cause of every single problem in the world today.

>>1050086
He was a Tyrant Reformer-Lite, so obviously there's going to be some butthurt over him. Same thing with Augustus for example. He made a lot of important and successful reforms, but he also somewhat eroded democracy stomped all over Republicans. So Repubs think he was the Antichrist, while at the same time they worship the memory of a far worse president (Reagan).

>FDR blowing the free market good big government bad myth out of the water
Or seeing how his policies in conjunction with LBJ prove the "myth" to be true, neo liberal scum.
>and his desire to have peaceful relations with the USSR aren't convenient for cold war american ideology, which is incidentally and without exaggeration the direct or root cause of every single problem in the world today.
You're a fucking moron, every single problem today can be traced back to the French Revolution.

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>>1051838
>>1051853

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>>1051853
>FDR and LBJ
>neoliberals

what are words

>>1051906
I'm calling you neoliberal.

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>>1051906
>>1051914
I realize now why not to use sarcasm on the Internet.

>>1051914
You're not calling me anything, I'm not the guy you were talking to.

But "free market good, big government bad" is pretty much what neoliberals are all about, they wouldn't be calling it a "myth".

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>>1051934
>>1051922

Hw interned thousands of US citizens on account of nothing but their ethnic background.

>>1050086
Why would a Naziboo hate FDR? He was the American equivalent of a Hitler or a Mussolini or a Stalin and the only reason you don't recognise this is because America won WW2 and then the Cold War. At the time all the major liberal theorists and constitutional scholars were quite clear about his dictatorial tendencies and quite excited by them.

>one of his first acts was an illegal use of war powers in peace time to freeze bank assets
>has congress delegate unprecedented legislative powers to him
>instigates NIRA which is thrown out as unconstitutional
>cucks the court - undermines balance of powers - by threatening to stuff it until the switch in time
>imprisoned decent patriotic japanese-americans like Korematsu and Hirabayashi

A vermin-tier POTUS

>>1051941
?

>>1050141
The economy picked up after the SCOTUS threw out NIRA for the first time. When FDR forced the program into effect he reversed the growth until he was saved by war mobilisation.

>>1050086

FRD handed over half of Europe to the Soviets, as he actually thought Stalin was a good guy and the U.S.S.R. was some kinda “United States of Eastern Europe” and we’d all just happily get along after the war.

The strong post-WWII U.S. economy wasn’t due to FRD’s efforts either, it was a case of everybody else on the planet being bombed to hell and gone, with the U.S. being the only functioning 1st world economy left.

Fuck that crippled fuck.

>>1050289
>No he didn't, the citizens of the United States won WW2
USA USA USA

>>1052137
Is the only way to make America great again is start WWIII and bomb the fuck out of everyone else?

>>1052248
American greatness means the rest of the world is crippled or under developed, so yes.

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>>1052248
Are you implying that we ever stopped being great?

>>1051170
>Not liking national parks
What, they're like one of the things that the government does mostly right. Seriously national parks are some of the greatest pieces of nature on Earth and I'm glad they're preserved as much as they are

>>1050086
>japanese internment
though I'll give you that one because most Americans don't even know what the fuck that was

>>1052137
>US Economy boosted because every other nation's Economy was destroyed

There is some real retard logic in there somewhere I just can't understand it

>>1055166
Have you never heard of the Marshall plan?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan

>>1055176
I know their infrastructure was shit, that still doesn't explain why OUR economy benefited from it.

>>1055184
>Hurr
They became somewhat reliant on our help for a long time. We invested heavily in economies with which we now do an enormous amount of trade. The investment has paid off.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Army_installations_in_Germany
It's arguable whether or not we're still benefiting from this, but back then it was a geopolitical necessity to counter the USSR.

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>>1055189
Pic related

>>1055189
So the US Economy grew during the Depression and all through the War due to investments made in overseas economies (that wouldn't have even made an impact on trade until some years later) all thanks to a bill that was passed in 1948? Makes sense to me!

ITT: Contrarianism ahoy!

>>1055198
Consider the comparative states of European and American industry after WWII and then come back to me. American industry was pretty much not damaged by the war, hence the enormous industrial output involved in producing the American Navy. European industry was in ruins after years of war and enormous quantities of bombs being dropped on the continent.
Maybe you just can't into the concept of relative value. That's your own problem, not mine.

>>1055212
I think your problem is not understanding the difference between pre-WW2 and post-WW2. I know they're easily confused

>>1055218
What?

>>1051100
This post triggered me. Conservation is fantastic.

>>1055225
I am debating the growth of the Economy before and during the war. I don't give a fuck about the growth after it. The thread is talking about FDR and his presidency, not Truman's or Eisenhower's. I'm not refuting Europe's economy was destroyed during the war, I am saying FDR's policies benefited the Economy before, during, and after the war.

>>1055232
*tips geyser*

>>1055236
Let's let private companies build on top of endangered plants, vegetation, and animal's homes! Surely nothing could go wrong!

>>1055235
They benefited the economy after the war in part because he was OK with destroying European industrial centers
You're dividing things up in a way that doesn't make sense to me

>>1055242
I am not talking about post-WW2, only pre-WW2 and during

welfare.

>>1055275
Why did you respond to a post about post-WWII, then?

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>>1050387

>>1055282
Yikes, my bad. Read your post too quickly and thought it just said WW2 Economy.

>>1050335
>a few bad policies other presidents in his position would have done
>therefore everything he did is bad

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>>1055459
No other president (other than Ni666on) would have arbitrarily imprisoned an entire ethnic group.
>mfw spellcheck isn't correcting "Ni666on"

>>1051279
They were poor before FDR got elected.

>>1052099
Bullshit

>>1055176
That's some retarded "logic" you just used

>>1055282
Your post wasn't only about post WW2 idiot.

>>1055503
War mobilization is what saved the economy. You can credit FDR's other policies to an extent, but guess what happens to unemployment when you draft everybody, and everybody's brother joins the Army even if he hasn't been drafted? Guess what happens when the Japs bomb Pearl Harbor and you have to build an even bigger fleet than the one they failed to destroy?

>>1050727
>weeaboo
Now you fucked up
He imprisoned the nips, y'know.

>>1055509
>>1055513
It wasn't even my post
That anon admits in >>1055301 that he misread the post he initially responded to
You can fuck right off

>>1055470
>I have proof of this

What was Germans and Italians in WW1 you stupid fuck?

Or black southerners under Lincoln being thrown in concentration camps because racist Northerners were suspicious of them 99% of the time.

>>1055523
Your original post was not just about post-WW2 economy. You can't just say the economy of post-WW2 was completely unaffected by the economic conditions pre and during WW2.

>>1055517
Stop moving the goalposts nigger

>>1055531
>You can't just say the economy of post-WW2 was completely unaffected by the economic conditions pre and during WW2.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
>>1055533
What goalposts are you talking about? I'm not the person you're responding to, anyway.

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>>1050086
>he won WW2

>>1055533
>nigger
>>>/pol/

>>1055550
>You have no idea what you're talking about.

You were arguing that you were only talking about the post-WW2 economy with the other anon but you can't just say that when the post-WW2 economy was affected greatly by FDR's policies pre-WW2.
I'll leave it there since you can't understand that.

>What goalposts are you talking about? I'm not the person you're responding to, anyway.

If you're not the original poster I responded to, then go back and read the post chain. Don't just randomly talk about something else with me and seem like the anon I was talking with.

>>1055563
Might want to read the post chain and see why I used that word back at the anon.

>>1055569
>You were arguing that you were only talking about the post-WW2 economy with the other anon
Not really, I was talking about what was happening during the war. I suggest you reread the exchange.
>Don't just randomly talk about something else with me and seem like the anon I was talking with.
You're the one at fault for being wrong, here.

>>1055571
The word "nigger" shows up twice (three, after this post) ITT, the first time being in your post. I am the anon you responded to. I did not call you a nigger.

FDR really wanted to be a dictator. Yet that pesky constitution and congress kept him from being one.

Have away half of Europe to the Soviets.

>>1051802
I did not say that.

Reagan was a great president. Top 3. Washington, Lincoln, Reagan.

>>1051934
Is it opposite day? "free market good, big government bad" is a conservative philosophy.

>>1052248

Let's hope so.

>>1050141
What about "economics isn't a real science and we have no way of knowing what would've happened without the new deal so this is a pointless question to debate ultimately"?

>>1056263
>Washington
Literally did nothing but set precedents
>Lincoln
Deprived people of civil liberties, destroyed the Southern economy, did jack shit for the emerging working class
>Reagan
Do I even need to say it?

>>1050623
>trust me bros, I'm a mystical and divine being that will sort all this shit out through massive government intervention xD

I can strawman too!

>>1050086
Because he was closer to socialism than any other president, so he's demonized by the business class

you can legitimately tell who's educated and what part of society they're from by their opinion of FDR. people who are poor and hate him are invariably stupid and republican

>dude like the economy crashed four years before he took office but it was JUST ABOUT to recover dude like he ruined everything

>>1050748
It's nice to hear you have a "balanced" view of someone who subverted the highest court of the land and locked up huge numbers of people solely on the basis of their ancestry, that's so great for you.

You identify as "agnostic" don't you?

>>1056843
w e w

>>1050289
>Incorrect, the war is what spurred us out of the crisis, not his tyrannical policies.
*fedora*

>Off of the backs of other countries, by destroying the last of the principles that founded this nation.
* TIPS * * TIPS * * TIPS * * TIPS * * TIPS * * TIPS *

Holy shit, the delusions are strong. Hayek/von Mises are fucking hacks.

>I assume this means you're going to call everyone who doesn't like him a "/pol/fag redneck sister fucking Nazi KKK Whyte supremacist"
No, I'm going to call you an idiot who's absorbed a bunch of 1950's business propaganda.

Like go read a fucking book on the labor struggles. Eisenhower, a Republican, said that anyone who doubts the new deal is unamerican and a total idiot. but the business class hated the new deal because it gave protection for workers, so they launched a decades-long, multibillion dollar PR campaign to convince everyone FDR and the new deal was shit.

and it worked. you're literally a product of business class brainwashing

Read "Selling Free Enterprise". The history is all there, documented, for your viewing pleasure. But I already know you won't look with that condescending fucktard attitude you have.

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>>1056845
Thanks. I've also got a balanced view of Genghis Khan, Aléxandros, and the Catholic Church.

>Agnostic
Close
Agnostic Atheist

>>1056263
>Reagan
Holy shit. You're one of those people who have no idea the PR industry exists. You actually think Reagan was a good president.

People like you are just idiots. I don't mean that in an offensive way. You just couldn't see the truth behind what you were being told. You're the target audience for dark money propaganda. Literally, you. Billionaires pay money to trick idiots like you into serving their interests.

>>1055166
>before WW2
>loads of large industrialized economies around

>after WW2
>all large industrialized economies in the world but Americas are in various different states of recovery from the destruction of the war
>America capitalizes on this gap in the market
Could you explain to me where the retard logic is in this?

>>1056847
It's literally true. Right wingers have literally no good concept of the history of labor, legislation, business propaganda, and otherwise any informed history of the development of the united states in the 20th century. they know a select few pieces that paint one specific picture.

if they read anything outside of their tiny bubble of influence, they would find a different story. but stockholm syndrome is real.

>>1056879
maybe some people dislike him because he locked up their grandparents, and stole their property for being a certain ethnicity.

>>1056883
They're right to do that (Japanese Americans..?). But middle-class whites who benefited directly from FDR have literally nothing at all to complain about. FDR's policies directly lead to the strong middle class and strong labor unions that benefited the middle class. Any white middle-class opposition to anything from the new deal era, labor-wise, is cuckoldry of the most blatant form.

>>1056860
You alright anon.

>>1056897
>strong labor unions

Spotted the red diaper doper baby.

>>1051007
FDR had polio dude. He could only stand using leg braces.

>>1056910
kek my grandparents/mother are some of the most conservative, anti-drug people around. despite voting republican they accept that their lifestyles were only made possible because of things like the GI bill and new deal policies. they admit it because it's true. sometimes they go down the "minimalist government" path but i've had conversations with them enough to where they recognize the government's role in building literally our entire existence from broke-ass farmers during the great depression

stereotype all you want. but you should really shut your trap until you read books on the history of labor unions. i find the strongest opponents to labor are also the most ignorant of it's history.

but, hey, this is 4chan, where the ignorant and stupid have the loudest voice and the strongest opinions

>>1050086
>The life in 50's, often idolized here, was practically made by Roosevelt.

There was not much wonderful about the 50s for minorities: they were as disrespected after the war as they had been before it.

Not much wonderful for women either, unless they were OK with being wives/mothers and nothing else.
.
Communists were feared every bit as much as Muslims are now.

>>1056944
of course it wasn't great for them. history is too complicated. but the economic structures of the 1950's (mostly created in reaction to the horrors of the great depression in the 1930's and in response to ww2) led directly to a strong middle class, nobody denies that. sure it was limited mostly to white men, but it was still quite better for average people than the 1920's were

also the 1920's red scare was infinitely more brutal and viscous than the mccarthyism of the 1950's. people only know about mccarthyism because of right-wing revisionism covering up deeper crimes

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>>1056944
Oh no, you pointed out disenfranchised groups. 50s defense force inbound

>>1056944
In terms of having a dad, not getting murdered and not getting sent to prison black people were actually doing a lot better back in the 50s compared to now. As for women they report lower levels of happiness today then ever before, all this equality hasn't actually made them any happier.

>Communists were feared every bit as much as Muslims are now.
You say this like it's a bad thing, have you never heard of the soviet union? The connection between them and the communists in america was much stronger then the connection between ISIS and regular muslims.

>>1057002
>all this equality hasn't actually made them any happier.
If humanity were recovering from being dominated by alien invaders that took care of our every whim at the expense of freedom, happiness would probably go down in comparison too.

An extreme comparison, but happiness is less important than self determination to many.

>>1057032
>An extreme comparison, but happiness is less important than self determination to many.
Is it? If you had an absolutely miserable, just unbearable, life I fail to see how having all the self-determination in the world would really make up for that.

>>1057044
Sure, for some people. I know I'm coming off of using an extreme myself, but I don't believe yours fairly reflects the number of women appreciative of a world where there self reliance might provide a comfortable life for themselves.

>>1050607
>implying they're not absolutely necessary
>implying people won't riot when they have nothing to lose

>>1057063
>a world
*country

>>1051279

A distaste for theft is somehow irrational?

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>>1057230

>>1057273
>implying that giving to the poor is a public expenditure and not a forcible wealth transfer from A to B aka theft

A legit tax serves a public use and not the majorities private interests.

>>1056832
Lincoln was a proto-socialist. Marx praised his handling of slavery in a letter to Lincoln. The executive office responded positively, too.

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>>1050265
>>1050875

The truth is out there

>>1057291
it's in the public's interest to keep people the poor content

>>1057330
Mosley was an incredible man

>>1050996
In terms of casualties America lost more in the Civil war than WW2, which arguably makes it a "larger" war for them.

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>>1057336

The Pantomime Villain look just added to the appeal

>>1050766
>>1050770
>and
Oh shit a sni-

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>>1058094
Are you okay, anon? What ha

>>1050265
>some rich spoiled British brat hanging out with the president of the United States
>people think this is part of a conspiracy

>>1058094
RIP JFK may God bless his so-

>>1057073
>>implying they're not absolutely necessary
They arnt
>>implying people won't riot when they have nothing to lose
>muh socialist revolution!!!!!
The proletariat is fat, dumb, and lazy. Doubly so in America.

>>1057063
More women prefer a classical/traditional marriage than they do this new found "equality"

>>1056857
You're the same autist that spams fedora pictures whenever someone says "hey, pinchonet wasn't that bad
Excellent "argumentative" skills
>>*tips*
The new deal was garbage, and Eisenhower had the easiest presidency of the century.
Fuck off
>my opinion is absolute fact
>>>/pol/
>>>/leftypol/

>>1058900
Bold claims require citations.

>>1058923
Mind you I'm not an American.
American women are batshit insane, I'm glad your country is sinking.

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>>1050387
>social security
>good

>>1058927
I don't see a citation. All I see is an insult.

>>1058927
>Please treat other posters with respect and address the content of their post instead of attacking their character. When discussing history, please reference credible source material, and provide as much supporting information as possible in your posts.

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>>1058996
>when discussing history

FDR helped turn an ordinary recession into the great depression

>>1050623

Keynesian economics is essentially magic

>>1051030
Just looking at him makes me grow a vagina.

>>1050086
A lot of people ignore his foreign policy in favor of his domestic reforms. FDR didn't just get America to enter the war that would elevate it to a superpower, he carefully planned it

>>1050599
What do you guys think of Von Mises? Not to hijack the thread, but I'm a recovering ancap. I feel like Austrian Economics is largely BS, but most other economists just don't pay any attention to them. It's not that they refute them, they just don't give them the time of day.

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>>1058927
>I'm glad your country is sinking.
You wish, faggot.
We're not going anywhere.

>>1059009
you mean classical economics, which supported free market capitalism