I have the opportunity to create hentai with me being the scenario

>>4321667
see
>>4311557
for a pretty underused concept.

dlsite is pretty much the gold standard as a distributor these days.

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>>4321677
DLsite, good to know.

We were thinking of doing some of the reverse gender role things. Part of my partner's deal is that she wants to be able to make some things that can also appeal to women, so I see that working for everyone.

Given the nature of hentai, profit margins are likely very low due to piracy. What content would you need in order to spend maybe $5-$10?

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I'll check in again in the morning to dump more pictures. Thank you everyone for your interest!

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>>4321667

If you are going or something that will appeal to men and women look at Bosshi's work. Both the male and female characters are willing participants, no "I'm being raped but I love it." Most importantly both characters (Or all if in a swinging situation) are into what they are doing. No ones super shy, all the characters are just having a good time. It's refreshing.

The next thing I would recommend would be to pick and use fetishes that you yourself love. Again, Bosshi as an example, all of his work contains the same few fetishes. While that can get old, he clearly enjoys them and because of that it shows. With the characters actually enjoying sex openly (People smile during sex, not just slightly panicked faces like in most hentai?) and Bosshi's enjoyment of what fetishes he's putting into it it just makes the stories and what's going on feel more open and natural.

Less helpful opinion: Huge tits and anal.

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Been doing lots of time at the office, but I'm back.

>>4324210
Happy sex was actually going to be a big point for us. We figured that having the girls smile and actually enjoying the sex would work well for all audiences. My artist in particular says she wants remove the stipulation that the sex is only for male characters.

>>4321667
The ideal content is this:

>Normal sized boobs, still bouncy but not gargantuan cow tits
>Pure vanilla, where yuri and incest is still allowable but absolutely NO rape, tentacles, bizzare fetishes, etc.
>Genuinely attractive characters, as in no fat sweaty guys and over-the-top slutty looking girls
>Passionate, happy and consensual love-making without any rapey tinges to it
>Something that appeals to both men and women, so if you're going to do the whole thing where they both cum at the same time, don't overdramatise it too much

So basically, try and make it something that actually makes people happy and gives them a nice feeling while watching/playing it. The industry needs more of that, after all - hentai isn't just supposed to be for closet rape apologists that will never feel the touch of another due to their sickening ways. Hentai should bring happiness and warmth.

>>4325498
Side note: Where I said Yuri is allowable, I suppose that would go for Yaoi as well seeing as some people - women usually, it seems - enjoy that.

>>4325498
We're designing a VN, with mostly heterosexual relationships -but- the way we figured if the player really tried to go gay they could with one or two characters.

Yuri we're thinking on, it would have to be a side-stories thing based on the narrative we have developed.

Consensual sex is what we're all about here. This is really helpful, thanks a million.

>>4325498
Alright, you've had your opportunity to demonize non vanilla, but you should always remember the saying "variety is the spice of life"

If this is to have multiple girls. Why not alternate? Sure, we can have girls with. Normal tits, but why not make at least one have cow tits or another one that has small or is flat chested. We don't have to go with flat out rape, but maybe make a route where you get a little bit rough with the girl (consensually if you think it's really necessary). Hell, you could even go the katawa shoujo route and throw in a disabled girl.

The yuri is unnecessary, but it does appeal to a decent amount of people.

Appealing to fags and women with the gay characters is completely unnecessary because let's face it, fags and women don't buy visual novels. Tell me some bullshit tumblr statistic if you want, but It will most likely be highly fabricated.

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>>4325512
I think as far as tits go, variety is obviously on the table. The point of each route is to actually -care- about the girl you ultimately end up staying with, which kid of brings me to a curious idea:

Girls that are non-routes. Girls you can have sex with, but if you persue more with them you get a non-standard game over or they become less prevalent in the story. I want this VN to really emulate how we interact with one another. I think a certain amount of popularity resides within the "best girl is unattainable" route, and obviously I wouldn't push it too far.

I guess what I'm trying to say is while I want this VN to be highly wankable, I still want it to carry depth.

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>>4325512
And the whole gay thing has me thinking now, say we don't do any gay routes but have a -few- parts dedicated to male camaraderie? Yes you can't wank to bromance, but it makes the story feel more real, no?

>>4325512
Lemme clarify what I said earlier: You need to think about this from a female perspective as well. (Also, it's not 'demonising' non-vanilla. You can't demonise something that's already just fucking wierd. Tentacles and rape are not normal.)

In regards to cow tits, those CAN be good, but this is supposed to be geared towards women as well, right? So try thinking from the female perspective: most women don't HAVE cow tits, and if it was full of cow tits, then that would be like IRL porn - and most women don't actually like IRL porn's depiction of the female body.

In regards to even hints of force, sure that might be good if it's in a BDSM context, but it's completely unnecessary anyway given the supposed context of this guy's project and would appeal only to men anyway. Most women don't like force.

Yuri and Yaoi aren't really even a wierd, bizzare fetish, it's just a sexual preference. Women and gay people enjoy that stuff, so do some men. It's still technically vanilla, just with the genders swapped around a bit.

And that brings me to the premise of this whole thing: you're ignoring that this guy wants it to appeal to both genders. It doesn't matter if women don't buy visual novels. The fact is, the majority of the hentai industry is dominated by non-vanilla, male-oriented content, and seeing as this visual novel is supposed to be consensual vanilla, it may as well appeal to women as well.

To be honest it really sounds like you're just getting pissy at me saying this should be something genuine instead of something that strays into alternative territory. Not everything has to be by /d/'s standards, ya know. This is /h/ after all.

>>4325516
>wanting 2d to emulate 3d
You're fucking insane, man.

Anyway, if that's the case, I need you to tell me what you want thus to be remembered for. This is a porn novel after all. Is your main goal to turn people on, or is it to make a good story? Because for the most part, they are mutually exclusive. A great man by the name of John Carmack once said "Story in a game is like a story in a porn movie. It's expected to be there, but it's not that important." Except for this case, I wamt you to reverse the order and replace porn movie with h visual novel.

Either you make this memorable from a porn standpoint and much more universally marektable, or you go for sorry like katawa shoujo and be more likely to retain a smaller but dedicated fanbase.

Ill be honest though, I'm here strictly for the porn.

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>>4325532
I appreciate your honesty, we'll definitely give that some serious thought.

You're absolutely right about the porn vs story. I just want to see what I can do about adjusting the scales a little bit.

>>4325532
With respect to John Carmack, that quote, and everything it stands for, is retarded.

There are multiple 2D visual novels that do well both story-wise and porn-wise.

Not only that, there are multiple games that do well story-wise and gameplay wise.

Seriously, John Carmack is fucking retarded.

>>4325527
>/d/ standards
Woah woah woah woah woah woah. Woah.

Let's get this clear. I prefer vanilla. I don't mind rape, but I prefer vanilla. Rape is not accepted, but it is, in a sense, normal. Women like it rough. In fact, many women have (anonymously of course) admitted to fantasizing about rape on occaison. I wasn't referring to tentacles either, tentacles and pig monsters and giant niggers are shitty cliches that I see all top often.

Women don't like to SAY they like force. But trust me, they like it.

Also, I'm not sure when this happened but rape was never /d/. /d/ is shapeshifting, futa, macro skyscrapers, vore, etc.

I'm tired of you and other like-minded individuals saying that bdsm or rape are /d/ level things, because they never were before, and they certainly aren't now. Hentai has a long and proud history of rape, and you my friend, must respect that.

Now that that's out of the way,
>And that brings me to the premise of this whole thing: you're ignoring that this guy wants it to appeal to both genders. It doesn't matter if women don't buy visual novels. The fact is, the majority of the hentai industry is dominated by non-vanilla, male-oriented content, and seeing as this visual novel is supposed to be consensual vanilla, it may as well appeal to women as well.

And I'm just notifying OP that it's not at all necessary. He's triggered my business man side. It's his choice in the end, but it's our job to offer advice. That's why he made this thread after all, isn't it?

>>4325543
>insulting John "the puss snorkeler" Carmack
You want you shit pushed in m8? He's right you know. Games don't need to be sorry oriented at all to be good. Fuck, look at DOOM. Games still don't nerd stories nowadays. People don't care about the stories. And the ones who do either don't play the games at all, are edgy hipsters, or consult supplementary materials.
Same goes for VNs. Like katawa shoujo for example. I hear absolutely nothing about the sex in those games. It's all about the girls and the stories. The scenes are certainly there, but no one gives a shit.

OP has to make the choice. He can make it all porn and little story (doom) or he can make it all story and little porn (katawa shoujo)
Oncemore, the choice is his.

>>4325555
Sorry for the spelling mistakes, I'm on mobile.
[spoiler]also, I was totally to say check em, I swear [/spoiler]

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>>4325550
>And that brings me to the premise of this whole thing: you're ignoring that this guy wants it to appeal to both genders. It doesn't matter if women don't buy visual novels. The fact is, the majority of the hentai industry is dominated by non-vanilla, male-oriented content, and seeing as this visual novel is supposed to be consensual vanilla, it may as well appeal to women as well.

The takeaway from this, for me, is I -can- put in the extra work to make it an option, and the game won't be any worse off for it, which I like. Hell, for candyasses I could always make a toggle for "open ended" mode and "straight" mode.

My artist would probably appreciate that, and without her full support I'm just writing erotic literature, so there has to be give somewhere.

>>4325561
>artist is female
Well why didn't you say so? That just adds another set of complications you know.

>open-ended
You have exactly 20 seconds to explain to me what that means, and it better not mean what I think it does.

>>4325563
She's a good friend and -very- open minded. She knows me well enough to get what I'm looking for but above all she is a killer artist.

I'm really feeling like this product might not be something you'd be interested in. It won't be a total gayfest, as a matter of fact I don't even think there really would be any gay options, but you're delusional if you think you can manage a story without interacting with another male at all. Then it's just standard harem fare.

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>>4325567
You still didn't answer my question, which leaves me very concerned.

Standard harem fare sells, my good man. But having a best bro in there could be a good idea. Hell, maybe the two of them could bang a bitch together, in true bro fashion.
Remember though, it's gotta be a premeditated brosome. It's okay if the bitch is not included in the planning, but you never leave the bro behind.

Mind posting some of her work? Unless it's already been posted in the thread.

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>>4325570
I'm referring to the potential for a gay storyline. Again, highly unlikely.

Ok and here is the problem. She's never done this kind of thing before (haaaaaaa) and I feel like if I DID post her art, she would have a reasonably good chance of it being recognized. It's not my place to blow her cover. I'll make another thread in the future once we've gone over the paperwork and we sign our contracts, she could easily draft some stuff up I'm sure.

Anyways, about the harem thing, I hate it. It's not realistic at all (inb4 realistic hentai). THREESOMES on the other hand, I can totally write, no problem, and have it be very believable.

>>4321667
Dlsite won't work for you because you don't know japanese, and japanese don't really know english. Barely anyone purchases h-games in the west, especially with dlsite. Look at EN dlsite bestsellers, and keep in mind their cut is around 50%
I'd recommend going to patreon instead, realistically speaking.

Also, I really wish people would stop thinking anyone wants a genuinely good story in hentai. Its a nice addition, but it is NEVER the main selling point. When people are looking for porn, they look for their fetishes, not engaging narration or deep characters. When they're browsing vndb or other sources for a fap, they write "big boobs" and not "deep plot".
If you want to succeed in this genre you need a good amount of varied content first and foremost.

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>>4325575
It's funny, I never really considered Patreon, but that's definitely an option. My problem is, and forgive my limited experience, but can people make a one time patreon contributon, and use that to receive our product?

And I can't say I agree with you. Maybe I am doing a VN with sex scenes, and that by virtue might not make it "hentaI", but there will be scenes with people fucking. And there will be many of them.

>>4325574
Fuck your inb4
>realistic hentai
Still your choice and all, but that's the fucking point of it all. 2d girls are so pure because they do not exist. Only in a hentai world could women like in other /h/ doujins or visual novels exist. That's the entire dammed point.
But whatever.

>legal bs
Oh come on man, seriously? You can't even spare one measly cropped image?

>>4325575
Also yeah, be wary of this. A majority of nips REALLY dislike baka gaijins, as do a good portion of Japanese businessmen. That's something to keep in mind.

>>4325586
I'm not familiar with pledge system myself, I think you can make pledges depend on content releases, rather than on monthly basis

If you're making a VN and not a porn-focused nukige, that's fine, but keep in mind that western market is much smaller. What works in Japan might not always work here.
Considering you're breaking away from the stale harem formula, focus on the story, and generally don't provide instant gratification to your reader, your work risks fading into obscurity. You need to offer more fanservice, as terrible as it sounds.

Take a look at nekopara. It was successful because of the whole vanilla catgirl harem thing. It was simple, had pretty visuals and it sold. Speaking of which, you might want to release an all-ages version of your game on steam, and offer h-scenes patch as a separate patch, might work better than Patreon.

>>4325605
>all ages version on steam
Absolutely cancer, but a smart move. After all, the Sakura games get by on minimal writing (and visuals). This is the smart thing to do, but just so you know, I will hate you forever if you do it.

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>>4325598
Look I'm not making all the fucking girls plain janes that talk about their ex-boyfriends. I know what hentai looks like, been coming here for about 8 years now. The women will be great, and interesting, they just won't be one trick ponies.

Also yeah, I'm serious. Call me a cunt but she's comparitively well known enough that I know it would get back to me.

As to the whole Japanese market, I don't think that would be a major concern for us right now. I'm not looking to make a killing of this, or even a whole lot of money. Everyone involved has careers and dreams that don't revolve around making hentai. But I fucking love hentai, so time permitting, I'd like to be able to make something I can say "hey yeah, I'm proud of that", something that other people can enjoy.

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>>4325605
>>4325608
Tragically I have always considered this but I would like to combat it at all costs. Offering a 10 hour + narrative would also mean shitters couldn't get a refund. Something to consider I guess.

>>4325611
Well I hope you get that legal shit sorted out soon then. You've gotten me curious.

Hope you can post some sample art here ^.^

>>4325550
Nah mate I get ya. Just making sure, that's all. I just really, really, really get sick of every hentai ever having shit tons of rape. I probably should respect that, but it's a bit hard because it's rather horrible.

Besides, I don't spend enough time on /d/ to know whether rape is the norm there, I usually just see 'tentacle rape/futanari rape' threads and just make the assumption.

>>4325555
I disagree with the idea that it's not possible to make a good ecchi and storyline oriented VN, but in hindsight I guess you're right about games not requiring good stories. I think I misunderstood the quote; Doom didn't really occur to me.

>>4325617
It really only matters if people can tell you've at least put effort into it.

There is a disturbing lack of quality goods in general nowadays, and that still fails to really effect the demand for them - just look at Apple, Bungie's game Destiny, fucking CS:GO even. They're the same rehashed shit every time, the companies don't give a fuck, and yet millions of tools buy into them.

Imagine what would happen if something popped up with actual effort put into it.

What I'm trying to say is, even if your first VN is a bit shoddy and short, etc., as long as there is a noticeable effort put into it, people will buy that shit and boom, surplus profits for the next VN.

It may be rather over exaggerated and simplistic but it's the truth.

You should invest in straight shota

>>4325800
As much as I love /ss/ on milf and /ss/ on loli, that would most likely be much harder for OP to write.

Although if you squeezed it in that would be cool.

But for real though, could you make one of the girls wear a miko outfit in one of the scenes? You could use any old excuse to put her in one if you wanted.

Pretty please?

>>4325780
I dont believe this.
You could have shit work but "hey you tried."

Also fuckin OP cant even show us the artists previous art, what shit.

Im just speaking for myself here. I buy allot of hentai games, anime and manga. I however only buy it if there is cow tits on the cover. I need that stuff, sorry

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>>4326582
yeah it's shit but what can I do

>>4325802
I don't think the scenario would allow for a miko outfit but maybe we can make a pic or two featuring one of the characters just for shits and gigs

>>4326948
>what can i do
Bitch post her art, the fuck you mean. Limpwrist fucker.

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>>4327167
that's hurtful language

>>4325550
>Women like x
>Trust me guise I'm totally not a virgin who wants to fap to a new VN without fag content because that triggers me

>>4327348
>implying I care about a VN that I have to pay for
Listen up you cheeky lil nigger. First off, No man alive has fucked enough women to know what they all like so the "hurr durr virgin" argument is retarded. So even if I happened to be some sort of sex god it wouldn't affect my credibility in the slightest.
That being said, A majority of women liking being dominated is a known fact you dolt.
You obviously can't fuck every woman to know all their preferences, and that's why people conduct polls.

Same goes for sales. The ratio of males to females or males to faggots that buy VNs or hentai in general is fucking astronomical.
Besides,
>wanting fag content
What exactly are you doing on this board, faggot?

If you want to appeal to both genders, shoot for something vanilla. Refer to popular vanilla doujins for character personalities.

>>4325561
Well that's actually surprising that the artist is female. Anyway, gay stuff is an option that's up to you and would really have no effect on anybody who plays it.

>>4326582
>We are making the assumption that the work is of at least an average standard

>Some people do actually buy things like that, crazy as that sounds

>>4327363
>A majority of women liking being dominated

PLEASE SAY THIS ON TUMBLR OR SOME OTHER NORMIE SITE

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>>4328073
>>>>>>>>>>tumblr
>implying what tumblr says matters for shit
top kek m8
>other normie site
>implying normies give 2 shits about tumblr either
Christ anon, I can't breathe. You can't be THIS retarded

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lot's of hostility in this thread. What about length, what do you guys like in terms of length from your dirty VN?

>>4329886
For me it depends on how the storytelling is executed, regardless if it's long or short.

That said, I prefer long if it offers more interactions with the characters and plot. It's a different matter altogether if they are nonsensical but hey, more interactions = more chance for kinkier sexy times.