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i have an issue cumming when me and my fwb have sex i habitually

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i have an issue cumming when me and my fwb have sex
i habitually masturbated 3 times a day to porn before she came around, she isn't bad at sex and i'm not going flaccid, just literally never end up cumming
is it from all the porn i watched?
also dumpin my collection
have 0 sauce
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>>9460184
pls give me advice pals, i want that sweet nut again
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>>9460171
I have the same problem, its weird, what does your gf think?
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>>9460171
yes, it is.
for some men. they'll have a hard time getting it up because they are used to dry masturbation.

The few remedies im aware of are; stop masturbating. fantasizing of porn during sex, and watching porn while having sex.
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>>9460171
is she loud? if so, it could be distracting you. Cover her mouth until you come.
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>>9460197
she doesn't seem offended but encourages me to try and cum but she's pretty satisfied with me making her cum because her previous partner would just prematurely ejaculate and not tend to her needs at all
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>>9460171
Well stop jerking it if you already havent, 3 times a day is too much. once a day could be too much. If you dont jerk it and dont have sex for 5 days, youll be cumming from drying your cock out of the shower.
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>>9460202
yeah she's pretty vocal but i'm not trying to be a buzzkill ya feel
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>>9460171
you are desensitized. I have the same problem. Its actually one of the better problems to have, gf feels fine.
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>>9460213
i haven't came since i came inside her the first time we boned on saturday but that was after a lot of effort
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You've got death grip my man. Happened to me to. Look it up, it's a common problem and a fairly simple fix. I solved my problem by cutting out masturbation and sex completely for about a week and a half and focusing more on her when we had did it. Good luck brother
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>>9460236
i love u sm anon
have oreo girl as a reward
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>>9460171
funny thing is, I've told a female friend that I'm having this. She reacted as if I should feel like I'm having a serious problem. I kinda want to change people's mindset on some "abnormalities" that people automatically label as disease. Gf is fine with this, I'm fine with this, it doesn't hinder my life, so why should i treat this as a disease? Besides, its safer from pregnancy.
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>>9460249
because nut bustin is fun senpai
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>>9460184
theres gotta be sauce on this video please mates
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>>9460231
name/sauce/full vid link?
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>>9460260
google allamericanwoman and you'll find her
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>>9460291
KEK fuckin lost when she took his dick out
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choke her it works for me
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>>9460310
i do bb
but i do it for her not me
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>>9460272
Kekked harder than I should have
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>>9460171
33 y/o anon with a wealth of experience here.

Your issue is that you are used to pleasuring yourself in a way that works for you. You watch what gets you diamonds at the time, you hear the audio you want to hear. You control the speed, the tightness, the lubrication, everything.

By comparison, having sex with a girl takes away most of the control. You can't control what you see or what you hear, you can't control how tight she is or how much feeling you get (assuming you use condoms - even without condoms, pussies aren't as tight as a hand). Instead of being able to sit there and move your hand as you like, you have to move your whole body, which tires you out, and you get less control over speed. Shit, you can't control which parts of your dick get what sensation.

Like other anons said, don't jerk off for a couple of weeks, then go for it. Though you may nut too fast, which it sounds like she won't like as much. Try and experiment to see how long you can go without to get a balance between nutting too fast and not at all. She sounds like a chill chick, so she should understand.

Eventually your dick will get used to the sensation of the pussy, and you'll readjust to it.

If you can't stop fapping, buy a bulk pack of condoms on ebay and fap with condoms on and heaps of lube, to start getting used to getting less sensation.
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>>9460184
>Me millionth dollar!
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>>9460201
>have a hard time getting it up because they are used to dry masturbation

i know that feel
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>>9460291
That was hilarious
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>>9460171
yeah like, weirdly enough, i have the same issue, i stop when i'm really exhausted or i cum only in certain poses after some time, but agreed with one of the gouys here, best "problem" a men can have...i mean, i get the pleassure of sex, i dont really care bout cuming
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>>9460344
Fuck you
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>>9460192
stop watching porn and touchin yourself
I mean really starve your balls man
if that don't work after two weeks, it's beyond my help
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>>9460171
I had same issue with my gf, I watched way to much porn and vaginal sex is way less friction/tightness compared to jerking it. I found doing her doggy was the easiest way for me to cum because it was less of a workout and I had much more control. In a way it's a good problem to have because your girl will definitely like having sex for more than 43 seconds but if you can't go at all girls feel weird about it, like they arent doing it right or arent desirable to you. If all else fails just jack off on her ass/face ect. For me it was a control issue, I need a steady long period of stimulation and when my gf stops/slows down I lose my focus and cant cum. Try being more talkative when you are nearing climax so she knows to keep going at it, a lot of sex is communication and helping each other get off.
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>>9460344
KEKUS
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>>9460171
You masturbate 3 fucking times before she arrives? To porn? It's a miracle you can harden your dick, fella. Stop doing this shit, masturbate only once if you have to, you can't cum because your balls are fucking dry. Geez...
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>>9460171
who dat girl?
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>>9460171
Every man's cock becomes less sensitive as they get older. Sensations become weaker and cumming takes longer. There's nothing you can do to stop this, but in your case you should work on teasing, not pleasing.

Become more gentle, pay attention to her reactions, stop focusing on thrusting and your cock.

Slow it way down and talk lovingly. Sounds less arousing but it may unlock feelings and vulnerability, which speeds cumming
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>>9460562
Only if you're circumcised.
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>>9460501

Ashley Alban
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>>9460171
I masturbate around 3-5 timas a day but if I know my gf is coming over I just simply cut back. Once or twice and hope I get some that night and sorted.
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>>9460291
Does anyone have the source or the name of the girl?
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Same problem for me anon! I'm 24, and have been sexually active since I was 18. I could never come by having sex with a same girl more than once. There have been only 2 girls I had met that had me feel attracted to them for longer periods of time, but both of them decided that it was for the better if we were to be friends (cucked, I know, kek).

The way I deal with it is by actually having stopped thinking about it alltogether. Like I don't care at all. I have sex with them to please them, to have them cum. For me there is porn. Why do I even bother having girlfriends? For other benefits - like appearing as a normal human being, social acceptance and respect from peers, and sometimes those girls have other things to offer. Like this one girl I'm dating now has a beach house and a boat. The other one was very into gender roles so I had a good time going out and being social as her man while she was my woman. The other one had dope weed.
All of them eventually started wondering why was I having hard time cumming and eventually it made them feel insecure about themselves but with time you get good with excuses. And also I learned how to have an orgasm by will (it feels shit, actually it don't feel like anything you just spray while your mind wanders into existensial abyss). Those controlled orgasms I achieved by having some kinky or fetishised sex. Like, with one girl what would really work for me if I was imagining that she is my daughter and that shes been craving me since forever. Or sometimes before a girl would come over to my place I'd think about how hummiliated and angry it made me feel to be friendzoned by those 2 previously mentioned bitches so I'd feed my mind with that anger, imagine raping them, imagine raping their current boyfriends imagine killing them all with my bare hands, than I'd lift weights or punch a bag for a bit and then fuck my girl really hard, not caring wether it hurts her or it feels good for her...
Good luck!
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>>9460171
You probably are desensitized, as these anons have said, but another fairly common problem (for both sexes) is stress. Sex does not come easy if you can't relax. Try taking it slow, really getting in the moment. If that helps a lot, congrats, there you go m9
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Talk to your doctor about it first and foremost, get some lab work done. Make sure your blood sugar and A1c are in check and that you have no cardiovascular problems. The performance of one's sexual organs are some of the first signs something can be seriously wrong health wise, better safe than sorry as heart disease and diabetes aren't curable once you have them, you'll at least have the peace of mind if you're tests come back ok. You're sexual health is very much tied to your overall health.
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>>9460213
The most I masturbated was 12 times a day. Including multiple cum on my ceiling edging sessions. I literally fapped the day away. Should I be worried? My normal amount is around 4.
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>>9460259
Bustin makes you feel good.
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>>9460934
so does heroin
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Just stop masturbating 3 times a day you dingus. If you can't keep without masturbating then do it just once before you go. Also, nuting during sex is way way way way more pleasing than with your hand.
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>>9460218
if she's loud stick some fingers in her mouth, she'll start sucking on them and it'll be hot and she'll also stfu
personal experience
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>>9460171
Good thread, first. Glad to see there are so many out there going through the same shit. After 4 different partners since I was a teen and after more than 3 years with my current gf, I finally came inside starting about a month ago. She was getting worried about it, I was slightly concerned, we had even discussed seeing the doctor.

Essentially, I solved my issue--which sounds like what a lot on here are describing--by tapering off how often I jerked. It worked when I stopped yanking about 3 days before we had sex, and even before I was down to pulling 2-3x/week. When I do jerk, I make sure to use a lube and not squeeze sir william too hard.

The other suggestions, like visualizing a particular fantasy helps, too. Don't be afraid to communicate that your partner should be focusing on helping you get off once they've had their goodies. Good luck!
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stop being so caught up in your head about cumming and just enjoy the feeling, then you will cum
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Have you tried fempenises?
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>>9460181I think I saw her at Suicide Girls. Anyone, sauce?
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Have you tried fucking a man?
Maybe you're gay
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>>9460171
Yes it's a common issue among men, and even some women. Slowly try cutting back on porn to once a day, once a week, to once or twice a month. It's not easy, I overcame this issue when I went travelling and didn't masturbate at all, after a month, I was able to cum while having sex. Definitely worth it. You should let your partner know
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>>9460211
Out of curiosity, how did you end up with a fwb? All girls I've been with either want full relationship or nothing at all lol
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>>9460171

Hi, i experiment with this issue, me and my ex tried some things and the best (for me) was stop watching porn, or watch non comercial porn. Try it and enjoy :)
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>>9460184
Natalia Grey
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>>9460171
Yeah you're desensitized, same happened to me. Look up "grip of death" masturbation
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>>9460231
dat loose asshole cannot unsee
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>>9461543
that's a glass buttplug you moron
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>>9460249
yo just as a heads up it is a lower risk of pregnancy but your pre still contains a small amount of sperm so don't assume that you can't get her preggers
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>>9460986
cummin' hard multiple times won't kill you though.
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>>9460291
I didn't realize this was a YLYL thread
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>>9460171
ez answer just dont fap for a week then have her give you a killer bj (she will when she knows you've been saving it for a week just for her). if you don't cum then you might be gay
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>>9460688
Girl is Ella Hughes,the video is called Meme Lover or Meet the Banes
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>>9460171
I GUESS YOUR JUST A QUEER
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>>9460182
whats her name?
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>>9460171
I'm legitimately jealous. I cum too quick and I would take what you have anyday of the week.
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>>9461604
veruca james
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>>9460171
You on anti depressants, bro?
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>>9460291
Nobody knew who I was before I put on the mask!
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>>9461604

Veruca James
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I have a problem that im not in love with my FWB so I don't get hard when we fool around I can oral her and fingerblast her all day but if I try to mount I just stay soft and kinda have to force it in half chub to get it going.
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yes, the more porn you watch, and the weirder it gets will make you harder to get turned on irl
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Im 25 and still get a boner just from putting my arm around her. You guys just need to cut waaay back on the porn
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>>9460171
Is it really a problem?
I used to have the same issue, and I liked it because it would make the girl self conscious and seeking my approval, she would try hard to make me cum and would ask herself what's wrong with her if she couldn't, or she would think I'm a stud.
But now I cum prematurely from humping with a condom, I swear condoms make me cum faster.
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>>9461127
Yeah, That's Sara Calixto, aka coralinne suicide, aka petitemarie.
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>>9460696
you sound like a sociopath
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>>9460171
I cant come with a girl until i feel safe / emotionally attached to her. Feeling loved makes me cum :p

Masturbate less, man. When you need to think of her.
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Sauce please! I beg u
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Your grip is too tight so you're desensitized.
Buy a fleshlight or stop jerking for a week or two
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>>9460696
>imagine raping their current boyfriends imagine killing them all with my bare hands, than I'd lift weights or punch a bag for a bit

i lost it
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its that a problem? really? i have the opposite issue.. almost cant control the orgasm for more than 2 or 3 minutes.. from there i have to focus on other stuff or have a flawless control to reach at least 7 min.. now that is a problem...
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You already masturbated 3 times, so whats the problem of no cumming with her and making her cum a lot?
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I used to have this problem but one position I found that worked really well was putting their ankles on my shoulders and going to work as they lay on the bed, gives you a good position to just go nuts with it and get yourself off
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>>9460291

Oh god, I am dying here xD
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>>9460171

You skinny dipping? I used to have that problem with rubbers on. The Durex ultra-thin ones solved it for me. And barebacking, of course.
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I have same problem there op, handful of solutions that worked on my end that don't require quitting masturbating (I jerk off 1-2 times a day and often would before gf came over because we were trying to grow some restraint, didn't work)

-Experiment with positions that give you maximum pumps with less effort / give you control / turn you on the most (For me this was super up close missionary where you're pressed against each other. You make out what grabbing the ass with both hands and having your way which is just what works for me)

-Personal connection
(Its gonna sound lame but sex just gets better and more exciting when you're excited it's that person and not somebody else. This takes awhile but after seeing someone for awhile it starts becoming easier to cum)

-Redundancy
(The more you have sex with the vagoo, the more your dick adjusts and is like "oh yeah this shitis what I'm supposed to blow a load in, righto pipp pipp wot wot." Plus the more you have sex the more experienced you get and the less interrupted counter pumps you get from your partner that break the flow + gradual sex stamina growth and all that)

-Counter solutions
(Basically you drill the bitch until she doesn't want to cum anymore, then get yourself close and cum in her mouth. It sort of becomes routine and then its more exciting when you suddenly can cum from regular sex)
(stop masturbating, all of my advice will help either way, and frankly I just didnt want to stop masturbating and enjoyed unlimited O faces from my gf at the time but this will work better than anything else)

Good luck OP
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>>9462354
>-Personal connection
>(Its gonna sound lame but sex just gets better and more exciting when you're excited it's that person and not somebody else. This takes awhile but after seeing someone for awhile it starts becoming easier to cum)
This did it for me with my ex at least. Couldn't come with any woman, couldn't come with her, but after doing it for a while it just happened. Obviously I fapped less and watched less porn, so that might have something to do with it too.
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it's cause you watch so much porn
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>>9461559
Precum only comes to contain sperm as a result of trace amounts of semen from previous emissions still in the urethra. If he's not cumming, there shouldn't be any sperm in his precum. And even if he is, the high acidity of urine will kill the sperm cells if you piss after cumming.
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>>9461245

I'm not the OP, so I can't tell you how he got his FWB. But I have one and can tell you how my "relationship" with her started.

I think in general the FWB thing is more common for older people. I was single for a long time, had little self confidence and was a virgin until 26! Even after that I liked being single, I guess I'm a bachelor. I had the occasional "fling" with someone I'd meet, but they never lasted long and it was generally me that ended it. The idea of kids and a family never appealed to me. If I'm honest I'm just a selfish guy, I like to do what I want when I want.... anyway that's brief background to me.

So, I knew my now FWBs for several years before it progressed to that stage. I guess it was about 7 or 8 years! We were work colleagues who were both single and we used to do stuff together, cinema, meal out, concerts... the sort of thing that's a bit awkward on your own but it's nice to do from time to time. She'd had relationships during that period and we'd still do stuff together, though not as often.

It was never more than just friendship outside of work... until my birthday one year (It was my 35th). We had a party with a group of friends, got drunk and we just ended up having sex, totally out of the blue, I don't even remember how we got to that stage... the next morning I was dreading the awkward "so about what happened last night" conversation. But we never had it, we just carried on like it had never even happened.
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>>9463401

A couple of weeks later we had one of our normal nights out, and as I was driving her home, she just said "want to come in for some fun?"... So I did, and we had sex again. This time we did discuss it after. Basically said how we both felt, and we both felt the same. Neither of us wanted a relationship, neither of us wanted kids or a family. We enjoyed our own selfish lives, but occasionally wanted some "fun". So from that point on, we'd ask each other if we wanted some "fun", and that was our way of asking the other person for sex.

We'd still do all the things we used to do, work together, socialise together and occasionally sleep together. But we both still have our own lives, our own houses and the sex happens maybe a couple of times a month, sometimes more, sometimes less. That's been going on for three years now and the arrangement just suits us both.
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>>9460171
It's probably orgasmic conditioning - Your nervous system has become so accustomed to orgasming in response to a fairly specific set of physical stimuli (I imagine sitting down with a hand wrapped around you cock, perhaps more tightly than a vagina, or perhaps unevenly distributing pressure over its surface - the point is is that it is different from what a vag feels like).

Some call it "the death grip". Plenty of male pornstars are in this category as well. There's a upside to having greater staying power, but having to finish by jacking it every time can be boring (and can make sensitive partners cry if they feel they are not able to satisfy you).

You want to change it, start jacking off differently - start by not doing whatever you normally do. Use a different hand, rub against your thigh or cloth, use/don't use lube or a different kind, jack in a condom, just mix it up. Bad news - it might take a long time. Good news - orgasms from a new stimuli are often particularly nice.

source - I been there son. Couldn't come for a long time, only became capable of coming from oral in the last year. Don't sweat it. The only hard thing for me was convincing my fwb she wasn't bad at sex.
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>>9463446
source?
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>>9460291
This isn't the first time brazzers have baneposted
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>>9460201
>watching porn while having sex
Does this actually help?
I think if i asked a girl if she was ok if i did this she would be self conscious.
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>>9460291
>this is the instrument of your liberation
>lets get that hothead out of here
Best part
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>>9460171
stop masturbating and when you do have sexy time with her make sure to focus heavily on her.
Teasing her clit, eating her out, nipple play, kissing etc. The more into she gets, the better it will be for you.
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>>9460171
I didn't lose my virginity until I was 18, and even then it took 3 tries to actually cum. my problem was that I had to be in control of the movements to cum, and so handjobs, blowjobs and her being on top could never make me cum. however, with my new gf, I've came a few times while she was in control. the trick is to stop jacking off for like 3 or 4 days before if you can manage it, and to be really turned on. how you do this is up to you, but the first time she ever made me cum was from a footjob which at the time, I only just realised I was into. for handjobs, lube helps a lot. without lube girls can't seem to get the grip and movements as good as you can yourself, but lube makes it so it doesn't really matter. try watching porn while getting a handjob or something.
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>>9460181
Source?
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It can take me a long time to cum from a blowjob, even when my gf gives me a sloppy, balls deep, gagging, deepthroat BJ.

When I first started having sex, I sometimes had to will myself to cum. Now I can basically go for as long as I want or cum more quickly, but for a while it wasn't like this. It wasn't about the position, skill level, attraction, etc., it was more about the physical sensation or something like that.

I would suggest not masturbating anymore, just save it up and you'll feel like you are going to explode when you are with your gf.
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>>9460247
For fuck sakes, I need sauce for this!!!!!
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>>9460171
I have always masturbated to tons of porn 1-3 times per day, yet I've always came extremely quickly (unless drunk.)
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>>9460925
yes idiot
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>>9460445
>if that don't work after two weeks, it's beyond my help

Slow it down and just wank to softcore porn, and do really mean pure softcore and after a month or two you will have recoverd from your ED.
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>>9461127
>>9463683
http://www.sexwebvideo.com/videos/6621/petitemarie-and-paula-fer-girl-girl-shower-together/
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>>9460192
gonna NEED sauce on this
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>>9463758

I don't know her name, but she's apparently sponsored by Nabisco.
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>>9460171
What you need to do is get a male chastity device and give her the key..
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>>9460201
>fantasizing of porn during sex
I have to do this
Feels fucked man
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>>9460192
anyone has sauce on this?
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>>9463843
Well fuck. Should I stop altogether or ween off touching my peen? How do you deal with being horny all the time, and not jerking it?
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>>9464551
That's pretty fucked up. I usually think of my mom. She is too hot not to so it's not really that weird.
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>>9460696
Don Jon?
Patrick Bateman?
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>>9460171
same with me when i have sex with my gf
great sex but i can't cum I had the same masturbation issues

Honestly consider it a blessing if you're having unprotected sex because then you won't have to worry about cumming inside her
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>>9464729

uh anon...
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>>9460344
FUCKING LOL
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>>9461543
>>9461547
fuckin lol'd
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>>9462354
this is really good shit, thanks a lot man
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>>9461799
what the fuck hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha
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>>9463403
that's cute af dude, happy for you
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>>9464685
You aren't really horny all the time, you have gotten addicted to the chemicals released in your brain when you jerk it and you made your tolerance relaly high from jerking it so much so your brain is constantly sending you signals that it needs a fix.

seriously, your brain is addicted to jerking off and its probably causing more issues than youre aware of like hormonal imbalances and depression and anxiety and shit. but hey if you feel good maybe its no big deal. it all depends on how you feel.
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>>9461543
Autist of the year
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>>9464551
>>9464696
this is some real fuckin baudrillard kind of shit going on over here
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>>9461799
Hooooly fuck
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i had to masturbate in front of my ex GF to eventually cum

but if you don't watch porn/masturbate for a while it will came out easly
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>>9460171
I had the same problem bro and i had all the same thoughts and doubts. What helped me was to just go faster, worry less about pleasing her, and if push comes to shove think of that ol porn
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>>9460171
I was in the same boat before. It didn't bother me much but after the 10th time or so we had sex and I didn't come she started to get worried about it.

So I got us a hotel and we decided to just chill out and relax. Took a few tries but it finally happened. We'd been doing it on the down low because we were in a community arrangement and took it where we could get it. Moment we knew we didn't have to listen to the door in case someone was coming in it was all good.

Although really it never bugged me, sex still felt great it was just 9/10 I just never really came and just stopped when she got too worn out to continue.

Cutting back on porn, stress, and the death grip wank helps too, but for me it was mainly not having to worry about someone walking in.
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>>9461566
You sure about that?
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yes it is, join the fucking club

>>9460201
>fantasizing of porn during sex

this man is an absolute fucking genius
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>>9460171

I had the same problem then i noticed that i could get myself off if we fucked in front of a mirror. Getting all the angles is a major turn on for me. busted nut 10/10 times
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>>9463457
i think its miss alice
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>>9463446
miss alice?
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>>9460201
>for some men. they'll have a hard time getting it up because they are used to dry masturbation
I don't have this problem and I don't use any lube, I don't have much sex though, 21
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>>9463148
Well...OP is rocking it 3 times a day.
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You could need the actual connection.

Happened to me. Now I get nothing because I haven't found her yet.
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Yes, sadly is from all the porn. I used to last literally hours before i stopped fapping. After 3 months of minimum fapping ( once-twice PER MONTH) cant even last more than 5mins in a good position (e.x. doggystyle) . Stop fapping, is easier than you might think.
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>>9460291

/tv/ wrote this for brazzers

it shows
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First off, you have to stop using your hands to masturbate. They are simply rougher than the inside of a vagina(even with a generous amount of lube.) and will desensitize you, especially if you're jerkin' it 3 times a day. Buy yourself a standard fleshlight, with just the smooth interior. Not extra tight, no ribs, spikes or any of that shit, just smooth. ONLY use the fleshlight to masturbate. Next, it may be a good idea to treat the tip of your dick with something like coconut oil every night before you go to sleep. This should soften the skin and make the tip slightly more sensitive. And last but not least, buy yourself a tub of DAA powder. DAA stands for D-Aspartic Acid, and it is a natural testosterone booster. If you take 3000mg of it a day for 7 days, this should boost your testosterone levels by about 40%, and will make you horny as fuck. I get mine off of mrsupps, It's about 35 dollars, and lasts me about 4-5 months per tub. Trust me man, I had this exact same problem, and after about a month of doing everything that I listed above, I've had no problems climaxing during intercourse since, and I just enjoy it significantly more. Even better, it's almost like I can climax entirely at will(not without stimulation of course). I can make sure my lady is pleased, and then finish so she doesn't feel inadequate.
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Also, your best bet for lube with the fleshlight is astroglide + a little extra water. It is the only lube I've found that will last long enough for me to finish.
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>>9460171
>is it from all the porn i watched?
yes
www.thecoreofattraction.com/online-porn-induced-ed-how-to-fix-it-now/
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>>9464303
>>9464590
Chloe Lamb
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>>9460192
Wow... Sauce?
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>>9464303
>>9464590
Chloe Lamb (that particular video is on SpankBang)
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>>9464782
No problem dude.
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>>9460171
Had the same problem.
Just imagine your self as the male pumping up some chick I'm a hentai/porn.
Bonus points for getting more aggressive in bed.
The first time i did that with my GF I made her squirt before bursting the condom.
Her reaction was just asking me why I don't do it usually this way.
Turns out I found my inner sadist while chicks seem to be naturally masochistic.
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>>9461107
dont do it its a trap
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>>9465668
Rule #1 with women, keep escalating until you reach the point where they can't handle it. They want to know where their boundaries are too, you have to help them find it
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>>9465354
>mfw I have serious callouses on my hands from my work and gym
>mfw my cock is losing feeling
>mfw only started using hand lotion months ago, thought foreskin would always suffice
>mfw fleshlight make me cringe
>mfw proper lube makes me cringe

Now I'm torn between being ashamed of a desensitized cock and a false sense of dignity, or better jerk method and also ashamed
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OP here to just say that this board gives better advice than any other board
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>>9460291
FUCKIN LOST
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>>9464815
That's interesting, so what's a normal, not fucking up my brain amount of masturbating that one can do in one day?
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Have you used anti depressive meds? They can cause this "problem", because they are used to treat fast ejaculation issues.
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>>9465950
This
Also can affect sex drive. I know I struggle to get in the mood at the best of times.
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>>9460291
>he was a good friend
This is a crossover of shitposting in porn
what a time to be alive
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Well at first you should really reduce your daily masturbation.

Second, have you tryed anal? I had the same issue with a Gf and she managed to get me off everytime with anal. if not why dont you try prostate stimulation? it usually works wonders.

DO the full job to her and at the end have her finger you while she sucks or masturbate you.

have fun!
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>>9460344
God damn you got me
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>>9462279
+1
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>>9460260
http://anon-v.com/videos/93860/n-t-li-grey-pillowtalk/
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>>9460218
Here's something that hasn't been suggested:
Its fucking hard not to jerk it when you've been going 3 times a day. Yes, stopping this will help, but chances are you're not gonna make it.
GO TO THE GYM! I don't care if it's your own gym, LA Fitness or Planet fitness, but lift some weights to get your testosterone up. You won't feel like having sex right after the gym, but after about 2 weeks before you work out you'll want to fuck literally anything that walks. Porn won't help with this, thats where your real life person comes in handy. When you're t is up, you want to fuck the shit out of everyone and everything.
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>>9461799
gonna need the sauce on that
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>>9460171
The answer to your question is Yes, probably. You need to be hyper stimulated while you manipulate your own cock. Try masturbating to cum with her, I'm sure you can do it.

Now stop jerking off and looking at porn. In time you'll be able to cum with her but it'll take time.
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>>9465916
I think it will vary according to your age, but once a day or a little less is a good balance.
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>>9461139
the fuck is wrong with those balls?
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>>9468449
Thank you and to the other anons that have responded. When I'm fapping less once per day, or even less frequently, I'll think of you all.
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>>9460171
Have the exact same problem. I had a GF who got on birth control so we stopped using condoms and I began cumming during sex. Maybe if you use condoms that could be a problem? Seemed to be the problem with me
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>>9460231
jesus christ,sauce ._.
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>>9460171
Same, have to say though I fapped a whole lot less. We looked into some natural sensitivity tabs and I toned down the masturbation and that did the trick.
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>>9460344
Fucking hell lol
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>>9460171
Had the same problem. Got some amyl nitrates and now I can cum a minute and a half, and it feels 10x better than it's supposed to.
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Ditto to anon above. Thought it was porn but I just can't cum with a condom. My last girl was on the shot and wanted to get creamed in so it worked great and I'll pump her to overflowing with jizz but it does limit your options.
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>>9465916
Less than once every hour would be a fucking start.
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>>9460336
appreciate the detailed response bro
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Turn the condom inside out - ribbed for your pleasure.
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>>9460247
Nice oreos.
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>>9460171
phat ass white girl. just what every brother needs. i heard that shes black only so..
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>>9460696
What's interesting is for some reason when I enter a new relationship, even if it's years on from the last. I too fantasise about my ex's.

Usually in some sort of cheating scenario. Raping them, them raping me. Group sex with multiple ex's in varying dominant and subservient roles trying to make me cum, they all know how difficult it for me and stop at nothing.

It's always my go to mind porn if I'm struggling to cum.

That said ceasing the porn and reducing the masterbation works too. But I still need have my one go to position ; girl flat on her front, legs together, me entering on my knees.

It was the position that first made me cum into my first gf, I still remember her whooping cause we'd had no success for like a month
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Glad to see I'm not the only one going through this. My current gf is hot as fuck but I've never been able to nut from sex and I blame jacking off every day for years
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>>9469731
Same here had 9/10 girls think there is something wrong with them
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>>9460171
had the same problem with my ex
>>9463446
agreed

>>9460213
>>9460459
>>9460336
decent advice
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>>9469738
Have had girls fucking cry in my bed because they thought I wasn't attracted to them. Fucking sucks man

I've quit jacking off for a few weeks and am gonna see if that helps
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>>9460171
couple things.
Your probably not really that into fucking her because your used to jerking yourself off. edge, buddy.
You might not be fully comfortable with her? sounds weird, but the tiniest thing can put a strain on the load train. talk with her about it, go a little slower, try to take yourself out of a pound and finish mentality.
Try some entry level BDSM. it really helps if both of you are in a tentative-experimenty vibe sort of place and it really engages you mentally. sometimes thats all thats needed.
Tl;dr edge, foreplay, engage mentally, communicate
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>>9460171
same long post anon
How tf are you not chaffing your dick?
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Whats the Name of this girl?
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>>9460331
As did I.
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>>9461543
that's not how buttholes work dude
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>>9460344
here's the webm
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>>9471164
LMFAO
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>>9460344
boner gone but so worth it
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>>9461139
meatspin.com
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>>9461799
wait, is that Damon Albarn?
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>>9460247
Who is she?
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Have same issue with boyfriend.
Was used to ex husband's premature ejaculation, which was quite nice as round two came along, hed last a perfect amount of time (3 minutes or so, maybe less) before he would nut again. Was never a hassle and he truly loved our sex.
With this man, however, he will lie to me around 1/3 of the time and tell me he's cum, when he hasn't (each time he truly cums, there's a ridiculous amount of semen) he's uncut, my snatch is fairly tight, and we can only seem to get the best rhythm going when I'm on top or it takes a handful of minutes of me deep throating him to get him to cum if I don't get tired first.
He keeps changing what the "cause" for lack of cum is. He'll say it's nutritional one day (bull) or too much masturbation the next.
From my perspective, it makes me feel a mixture of worry, resentment towards the relationship and it makes me quite self conscious. Considering leaving before we get too deep into the relationship. I pray he isn't fantasizing about something else to cum.
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>>9460211

You're fine.

Ease back on the porn, and it will happen. We create habits and situations where our minds are expecting a certain thing to happen to produce a chemical response.

Bad habits create bad situations. Not saying porn is bad, but not everyday.
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I had/have this problem to. It's grate till you last 3 or more hours and she gets to exhausted and can't go on and you don't nut. Might be a nervousness problem to
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Bottom line:

Stop watching porn and jerking off.
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>>9471299
Does he like having sex with you? My head (and penis) can fuck with me at times... but I 100% love having sex with my wife. I can't control when I cum, wish I could. But my wife gets aggravated when I take forever, or when I'm anything less than rock hard. (She's not too good at hiding her emotions) This makes things a thousand times worse.

And call me simple... but I've never been able to manage that whole "think about someone/something else during sex" thing. I'm 100% with the person I'm with. My 2 cents.
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>>9460171
Since you have this "problem", does your friend at least cum?
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>>9460171
You caught the Gay
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>>9463479
Do tell, please.
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>>9465006
do you have sauce on the video
i cant find it
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>>9460201
>fantasizing about porn during sex
Holy shit i need to try this
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>>9460171
You overloaded yourself with unrealistic representations of sex and became desensitized to it before ever committing the act yourself. It's honestly no wonder the newer generations are so full of limp dicked sexless beta cucks with so much porn available. They pound off to so much hardcore shit before they ever even get pubes that by the time they are actually old enough to get their dick wet they are already bored of sex. Jacking off to Girls Gone Wild commercials and front pages for porn sites when I was a kid seems like hell, but in retrospect being sexually starved like that was for the best. The first time you have sex after years of that shit is unreal.
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>>9472929
>needing to think about other people having sex while you yourself are having sex
This is some twisted fucking shit.
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>>9471164
PFFFFFFFFFF
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You're gay
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>>9465011
u high m8 ?
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>>9460201
I didnt cum the first few times... I think for me it was just nerves.
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>>9473945
Jesus, how many times have you screwed since Saturday lol
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>>9473945
i was the same way. i was actually able to fuck my first partner until her legs were shaking and she asked me to stop.

savor it while it lasts, because after that i had to think about marcus fenix fucking my dick up with the chainsaw gun in order to last more than a few minutes.
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>>9460696
what the fuck lmao
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>>9460171
right what you need to do is focus and fantasise about whatever fetish it is that you have using her to feel good eventually youll adapt
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>>9465447
girl's name?
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>>9472988
OP here
i've fucked 9 girls and only 4 of them made me nut
i'd still rather be a premature ejaculating loser tho
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>>9461245
she does want a relationship but for now we're just getting to know each other
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>>9475583
I mean, like did you meet up via Tinder or a clubbing or something?
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>>9460305
Ditto TOP KEK
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wanted to throw some advice in this thread that hasnt been touched on yet
Drinking can definately hinder reaching climax. I've had nights of a good 6 pack, but when you hit the sack, it turns on you and stops you from finishing and even sometimes the dreaded whiskey dick.

To echo other comments, cut back on fapping, try different positions. The one that nails it for me is:
Girl laying on her back, legs together "squeezing" you as you have legs on both sides. dunno if its a position, but it works wonders because of the grip on your dick.
Good luck fellow /gif/er
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>>9472929
Unless you have a hot power dynamic in your relationship (she's submissive and shy) I can see this being necessary, sadly. In porn, girls pretend to be enjoying it the WHOLE time, and contort their bodies to be more interesting.
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>>9460171
Alright, this is my advice: condom or no condom when you're in your fwb and you guys are humping like rabbits find what feels the best. As in what feels the best I mean anything you can feel. It usually helps to add foreplay. Like have her tease you and vice versa and play with each other before dick to vag penetration. Then once you slide that dick in go real slow at first (trust me by this point something will feel a little good) and once you start to feel it increase speed as needed, you should build up to a climax then cum. Even if your whole body is cramping don't stop until you cum.

I had sex a bunch of times before cumming.. a good 7-10 times. I mean hours of fucking everytime. I was starting to think that maybe I'm gay LUL. But Ive been masturbating since the 6th grade and religously since 7th (today is my 21st bday) sometimes I still jack off a good 5-10 times a day and I never use lube other than my spit. Trust me, even with the no feeling issue from to much jerking (which I deal with) you can still cum if you fuck that bitch right and find your rhythm again.

What I'm getting at is, Cumming is all mental. Every time I'm having a hard time sometimes I just dig in deeper until it happens or I have to say in my head and a few times audibly I'm going to cum which usually my gf starts moanin louder when I say that and helping me out a little more than just laying there and I can cum.
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>>9461232
>to once or twice a month.
how is that even possible?
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>>9463446
No its not miss Alice
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>>9477574
>>9477574
>even if your whole body is cramping

Fuck you

I cramp enough when laying pipe for 90 minutes, after that im good

I enjoy the companionship far too much even moreso than busting a nut honestly ..... Extended lovemaking sessions are perfect for me
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>>9460171
>i habitually masturbated 3 times a day
Do you really need help figuring this out? Stop jerking it for a month or so to restore sensitivity. When you do fap don't go dry, use some oil or lube. Coconut oil works well. Also, slow the fuck down and stop strangling your dick.
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>>9469396
I had the same problem and a similar approach worked for me. Also changed my fapping habbits to try to have a very loose grip + lube on my dick whenever I fap.

I would add that anxiety can screw your orgasm more than you realize. Try to lose yourself in the experience and don't overthink during fucking.
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>>9460171

Hey OP I had the same problem with a fwb I found on Fetlife.

It's all the porn and jerking off you do. Before I met her I was about as an active masturbator as you were. The first 3 or 4 times we played I never came after fucking her for hours. Then we didn't have sex for about a week and I only jerked off once during that week. The next time we hung out I came in about 2 minutes and came twice more over the course of our play session.

TL'DR stop jerking off to porn
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>>9460171

You could try to desensitize yourself by not fapping for a while, fapping to shit port (not literally), and get used to it....
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>>9461107
hottest trap ever!
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>>9475548
karina hart
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So I guess this is a sexual health thread now? I need some kegel advice. I know how to feel out the muscle by making myself stop peeing, but sometimes I end up tensing my penis, too. Am I supposed to be doing that?
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>>9475579
You have completely mangled your dick with chronic masturbation my man.
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>>9460247
That isn't actually a carpet behind her. It's hundreds of oreos placed in an array
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>>9461107
Sauce
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>>9463446
legendaryl00tz
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>>9461787
My first thought, too. A common side effect of SSRIs is difficulty achieving orgasm.
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>>9460174
oh my god! sauce please
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>>9483571
Maxisma (or something like that) I think. LL has darker hair.
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>>9460344

fucking lost it
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>>9460934
Lost, holy shit.
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>>9461107
there's no such thing as chicks with dicks just dudes with tits.
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actually i had the same problem, all i did was masturbate before she came over, but i didn't get off, i got myself just before the point of no return and stopped my self, and then when she came over, it wasn't instantly or anything but i finally got off lol, and eventually you will get into the habit of not having to worry
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>>9460171
dude, you just hella desensitized your dick. give it a break for a while, and slowly ease your way back into it
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>>9460171
>never end up cumming

I live with the same condition. I last 45 minutes before going soft, i eat some pussy for a moment get hard and lay pipe for at least another 45 minutes as much as another hour. I dont cum when im not scared of getting caught mid act even when i may get caught mid act it must be with the first 30 minutes otherwise im too tired to cum instead ill rock the cock for another hour and then some

My lovers enjoy most of all my endurance
most guys dont last but a handful of minutes
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>>9461115
Sauce?
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>>9460171
Following for interest
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>>9460171
Yep it is. I have the same problem. I think about the sex im going to have so i jack off when i can until it happens and if its a day off work it could be 3-4 times before i end up banging her in the evenings. Dont feel bad it just means you have a great sex drive and at least doing that makes us last longer in bed haha
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>>9462181
Her name is Staci Carr
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I lost my ex wife because of death grip
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>>9460192

Chloe Lamb
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>>9460171
Source pls
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>having friends with benefits
>having friends
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It is not the porn. Its the masturbation.

1. Masturbate as little as possible.
2. Use a skin care cream with vitamin e. It really helps heal you down there and make u generally a bit more moisturized and sensitive (wash it out then u shower)
3. While I dont think porn is the cause, watching less porn so ur more enthusiastic / excited about ur gf is a great tip.
4. RELAX then I had this issue i tried lots of things eventually i realized it was the stress and expectation of the situation. Stress is a boner and orgasm killer. Anxiety too . Breathe, make urself comfortable , meditate hours before sex to reset ur system.
5. Some people need something extra to cum whether they masturbate a lot or not. As long as its not 4chan weird don't be afraid to ask for things to help u.
6. Try a different position. Ive had girls expect me to cum during doggy style like if ur a pointer like me its pretty difficult to orgasm while bending. Generally u must know already what positions u can orgasm in and try to get as close as possible to those as possible.
7. Jerk yourself off into her mouth . Whatever way u usually jerk off use that position and jerk off as usual except now u have wet lips to play with .
8. A natural pill called Maca helped me a lot. U can find it OTC in pharmacies or get it online. It can make u hornier , give u energy and make more ... enthusiastic about finishing.
Before Maca I would try hard to get out one orgasm. With maca 3 in a row then i could finally sleep.

Its also possible as well that if ur using condoms its just not ur thing and like I said the U need to relax and be comfortable. Some guys/girls need to feel safe or loved . U dont have to be this stallion who stays hard and busts all over her .
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>>9489534

tl;dr prep the bull
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>>9460171
SAUCE PLZ
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>>9460344
HAHAHAHAHAHAH
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>>9460171
>I fap before sex
>Sex doesnt stimulate my penis as much
Hurr
Durr
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>>9460192
Ahh that stunning pre-baby bod
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>>9471251
I know his name's Danny something. Seen him in another video before, we share a first name. Kinda helps having the pornstar moan your name
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>>9461107
DAT WAIST
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Dont wanna ruin ya hopes but when i fucked my ex i never came. Sex was great but it never happened. Eventually we broke up (other reasons) and now I'm with my new gf and I'm nutting like crazy, and im pretty sure its cuz i didnt love my ex like i do my current gf. So maybe youre just not emotionally there
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>>9460171
still waiting for someone to source me on this pretty thing...
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>>9460344
Wow and I got dubz, wasn't even paying attention.
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>>9460192
stop maturbating and only have coitus. dont let anything dry touch your dick. youll be coming again in about a week two max. but you have to let your cock get resensitized
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>>9460231
>>9460289
>>9468742
Her name is "AllAmericanWoman"

Here is the vid:
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5729d39b359c1

http://anon-v.com/videos/83520/who-is-she8/
(this one is 3 mins longer but buffers like shit)

Here is a different one of her:
www.xvideos.com/video14132047/untitled_video
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>>9460696
So I'm not 100% here, but I'm pretty sure you're sexing wrong. Or, at best, um... non-conventionally?

Like it's no big having orgasm issues, we work with what we have when we can as we must and all that. But I'm a concerned about where your headspace is. You okay, bro?
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>>9460171

It's a recognized medical condition called "delayed ejaculation" - around here it's called "the death grip." I have it too. It's always been hard for me to ejaculate inside a women - even when I was a teenager. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_ejaculation

I can't recommend how to fix it, though I've heard some people can resolve it by not masturbating for awhile. I've found that I just need to have my girlfriend let me masturbate on her after we have sex. She is fine with it, and gets into it which helps obviously. So talk to your girlfriend and figure something out that works for you both..
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On top of all of the fairly good (and a little stupid) advice in this thread, I'll drop this:

Remember that sex is the interaction of your mind, body, and soul with the mind, body, and soul of your lovers. That there is an almost endless number of facets to the experience. That the ride is what you and your lovers decide it is, no more, no less.

Enjoy it together. It's one of the small handful of true comforts we have here in the Arena, after all.
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>>9460192

So, dear OP. I had 2 friends who were having this trouble with condoms on. The thing is, condom takes a lot of sensivity out. That's a bummer for itself. They solved the problem by grinding less and pull in and out in a wider motion. Vaginas are pretty much vacuum, empty spaces, from a few inches on. Try to explore more that inches that are tighter with the head of your johnson. Get what I mean? Also, when you want to cum, close her legs.
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>>9490289
Is this using the FOX Engine? Almost looks real
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>>9491686
It is real you autist.
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>>9491285
Sorry to tell you, but this is a myth.
Condoms remove all most none to none at all of the sensitivity or feeling of sex. It's purely a mental things.
See >>9491256
Here is some background:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/201505/do-condoms-impair-erotic-sensitivity
My advice? Just use some fucking lube lads. It's a godsend
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>>9460171
I had a similar problem with my ex when I was going through some hard times in personal life. I was able to cum during sex before, and suddenly I couldn't anymore. Perhaps you're dealing with lots of stress?

Anyway, even before that I would last long, sometimes way too long, but when switching to prone boning, I would come rather quick, there was just something about that position that brought the right amount of rubbing to the right places...
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>>9461927
Same here, I think I come much faster with the condom...
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>>9460171
Stop jerking
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just get Cialis
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>>9471251
HAHAHAHAHAAH
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>>9460696
I love how, during your comment, the more into your fantasies you got, the more stream of consciousness it became. The mean that in a positive manner- there are so many crazy rants on this site, that people think they can get away with any old shit. Thanks for showing what people could do if they put the effort in.
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>>9460171
how do i become you? i have the opposite problem
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>>9460171
Same happened to me, I realized it's because I use to be with one bitch that was so attractive to me, and now she's gone no girl is the same level for me to get that nut off
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>>9460171
It's because sexuality is a base disgusting impulse and as humanity is becoming more intelligent we won't have to depend on mindless debauchery to procreate.
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>>9460171
I'm going through this shit right now too anon. I just broke up with my long time gf that I thought I was gonna marry. I had no problems ever getting off, our sex was amazing, she is just a shitty person lol. Now that I'm single though, I've hooked up with one person a few times and had such a hard time cumming I was worried about something being wrong. I think it has to be a combination of emotions still wrapped up in the past and having to use condoms after being in a relationship without them for multiple years. Shit sucks :/
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>>9490291
hot
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>>9460182
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=838162706
Sauce for you guys.
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>>9460171
Haven't viewed the rest of the thread, but I'll give advice from my own experience...

>was a habitual fapper, 1-5 times a day.
>Met a lovely gal. pretty much stopped in my tracks upon sex with her.
>dated for 3 years. Didn't fap often, if at all (Maybe 1-2 times per week.)
>We had sex regularly (at least 3-4 times per week)
>Had about a handful of instances where I came during intercourse with her.

look up anorgasmia. there's countless causes, and it's a blanket term for at least my disposition. Sometimes it's psychological (my variation) Sometimes it's a physical disorder, sometimes it goes entirely unexplained.

If you think it's from psyche issues (Fear of commitment, fear of attachment [I guess fear in general? (intimacy, finding sexual kinks, etc etc.)] speak with a therapist, or someone you trust. Be entirely honest with them. If you can't explain the problem, or feel awkward doing so, you should find someone else to speak with.

else, speak with a proper general physician. I hear there's some decent treatment for physical disorders.

At any rate. I wish you luck, mate. I made the mistake of waiting too long to talk about it. Don't do the same.
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>>9460171
This happened to me a couple of times but it never happened when I actually cared and liked the girl so that might be it?
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>>9460171
She loose? You small? She cold? Is she just, I dunno, boring? Does she dead fish you and let you do all the work? Does she fuck you back? Does she smell bad/weird? Are you gay?

I jerk off alot too but I never have a problem when it comes to, well, cumming. I always end having to edge so I don't blow my load too soon. However, if there's some sort of bedroom compatibility problem, that could make things difficult. Alot of the girls I've been with(girlfriends, flings, whores), don't exactly seem like they know how to fuck, to be honest. They just lay there and let you thrust, acting like they're doing you some huge favor. This would be fine if I didn't know how to fuck already so I'd honestly like some interaction in the bed rather than throwing for such-and-such minutes until I get bored, want to change positions and I have to order you around like this is your first time.

I guess figure out what she does but if you want her to get into it, it could either be a shortcoming on your part(like you're small or bad) but I feel like a lot of the times, these girls just want to lie back and dead fish. Sometimes, I think I'd be better off masturbating.
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>>9460696

>>Or sometimes before a girl would come over to my place I'd think about how hummiliated and angry it made me feel to be friendzoned by those 2 previously mentioned bitches so I'd feed my mind with that anger, imagine raping them, imagine raping their current boyfriends imagine killing them all with my bare hands, than I'd lift weights or punch a bag for a bit and then fuck my girl really hard, not caring wether it hurts her or it feels good for her...
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I only had sex with one woman. My ex. We first did it without condom the first couple of times and I never could cum. Then we switched to condoms and I came within 5 minutes. Weird as shit, but yeah.

Especially weird considering pretty much all guys I ever met say it's harder to cum with condom on.
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>>9460247
thank mr skeltal
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My problem is that my foreskin gets a tad too tight, which numbs the pleasure.

My girl has to try real hard to get me to cum.

Thinking of getting a repeated frenuloplasty
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>>9490319
SAUCE! por favor!!
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>>9461107
"THERE ARE NO CHICKS WITH DICKS JOHN! ONLY GUYS WITH TITS!" -ted
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>>9460171
>i habitually masturbated 3 times a day to porn before she came around,
you're kinda empty by the time she arrives. either show some restrain or stop worrying about cumming
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>>9460182
sauce?
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>>9481493
It's the same set of muscles.
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>>9460171
It's all the porn. I live with my SO and I have to pull out and jerk it in order to get off. I think we may have just gapped too hard though.
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>>9460171
its just a transition stage- i went from masturbating like a monkey to only fucking my girl almost every day, and in the first weeks it was just like you describe. You just need to cut off all porn and masturbation and youll just end up getting used to just cumming from pussy.
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>>9460177
>>9460174
>>9460171
sauce please
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