>things that keep you from switching to Linux full time.

are we thinking about the same thing here?

>>62397937
ITT: i used Mint once and deleted system files while in root

>every file manager is buggy how?
>XFCE
>LINUX IS NOT FOR WINDOWS & MAC CONSUMERS. ITS FOR HOBBYIST GEEKS WHO LIKE TO TINKER AND MOD LIKE MAD. Except chromebooks and people who only need web browser and office suite.
>Most programs you don't even use on Windows.
>XFCE

for me I need adobe premiere and camtasia. I do agree with display issues. I run dual boot personally cause I like Linux dev environment more.

>>62397937
>>things that keep you from switching to Linux full time.
Nothing, I'm already using Linux full-time

>>62397937
Vague claims.
Shit thread

>>62397937
botnetd

Honestly? Just the time to switch and get my stuff for work set up. It took forever on Windows, and I assume it'll take just as long on Linux. After I find a new job, or build a new computer I'll be going to Linux on my desktop for good

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So is microsoft getting nervous?

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No Linux GUI will ever look as sharp as this.

>>62398091
Basically

>>62398091
They are, desktop market is dying and so is microsoft.

>>62398035
How is
>display issues
a vague claim? It is probably the only legitimate one in OP.

>>62398091
>billion dollar company getting nervous about some neckbeards posting on an anonymous imageboard

>>62398122
>a vague claim?
Looks like it, works just fine
https://track6.mixtape.moe/yxumxa.webm

>>62398016
>>every file manager is buggy how?
I honestly can't deal with these autists. I don't even care to reply. No matter what's wrong with their OS they will argue and bitch rather than admit it and fix it/get on board with fixing it.

Not even going to address anything this kid said. He's probably fucking 13

>>62398129
They hire shills in forums to to promote windows, it's nothing new

>>62397937
KDE 5 plasma workspaces was buggy when it first came out but has come a long way since

>>62397937
STOP SPAMMING YOUR PROPAGANDA FUCKING MICROSOFT SHILL

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>>62398120

video games

>>62398129
>Linux is only used by /g/

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>>62398110
Pretty "sharp"

>can't use cinema4d
>can't use premiere pro and after effects
>can't play most games

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>>62398180
Umm, sorry honey

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>>62398192
>>62398110

>>62397937
I'm done with Linux. Used it for 5 years, uninstalling now and using Windows full time. The marginal benefits I get from it I can achieve by using Cygwin. Not even going to dual boot because it's a shit show. Windows partition always breaks somehow.

>>62398219
That explains. >>62398120 was right, there are 5 windows shilling thread on /g/ already

>>62398219
Thanks for letting us know that a billion pajeets just found out about smartphones and use chinkshit with android. We weren't aware

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>>62398261
t. braindead Linux fag

Windows is the king of desktop operating systems and will be for the foreseeable future.

>>62397937
alright little consumie, move on then

>>62398291
>Windows is the king of desktop operating systems
Desktops are dying, keep up rakesh.

>>62398243
>reddit tab
kys

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>>62398291
It keeps happening

>>62398310
>Desktops are dying
Braindead nigger do you know where you are? Desktops will never die. You can't develop on a phone.

>>62397937
Some advanced notification system.
I like my notifications on windows 10, it makes everything feels more interactive.

>>62398315
no

>>62398291
Why would you care if Windows is the majority market share unless you had some stake in it being such?

>>62398346
yes

>>62398344
>Desktops will never die. You can't develop on a phone.
Not everyone develops. For normies all they ever need for personal computing is a tablet :^)

I like crunchbang

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>>62398344
You can't develop on windows either

>>62398348
You're fucking schizophrenic kid. There aren't paid Windows shills on /g/, there's just freetards and people who realize freetards are retarded and Linux DE's are shit because they are developed by a bunch of low budget hobbyists.

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>>62398379
>There aren't paid Windows shills on /g/,
Sure thing, goy

>>62398359
>caring what normies use for computing
>:^)
>>>/r/reddit

>>62398401
no

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>>62397937

>>62398379
Ok

>>62398405
also in windows you can rename your files in the file picker, can't do that on linux.

>>62398379
https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwi8486J_qDWAhWFnJQKHUB5C3MQFggoMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.coruptia.ro%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F11%2FEffective-Evangelism.doc&usg=AFQjCNF2tNlqyZWlgRyWtre2zYqRKo9pjQ
http://techrights.org/2008/12/27/microsoft-shills-aka-te-secrets/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween_documents

>>62398442
I meant
www.coruptia.ro/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Effective-Evangelism.doc

>>62398440
You can definitely save files in different names in linux. Renaming other files while downloading one doesn't make sense, you are looking for a file browser

I tried installing ubuntu on my PC and none of the drivers worked with my 750 GTX. This was years ago. Recently I've tried arch in virtualbox, but I struggle with i3. Every other DE gets shit talked regularly on /g/ so I'm not sure what to try instead.

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>>62397937
nothing for my laptop, only thing keeping me from switching full time on my desktop is gayms and it seems most of the ones that are exclusive are either getting support soon or shit already.

>>62398495
i3 isn't user friendly at all, try awesome-wm instead.

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>>62398016
>>62398035
>>62398091
>>62398120
>>62398158
>>62398162
>>62398348
Linux is a piece of shit. /g/ robbed too many years of my time with these meme.

>>62398243
What DE?

>>62398508
Thanks for the suggestion. I'll give it another go. Arch anywhere makes it super easy to just start from scratch.

>>62397937
Gaming

>>62398495
Literally just use Ubuntu and put a desktop environment you like on it, and switch to a less bloated distro later on when you've gotten a hold on linux.

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>>62398519
KDE

>>62398508
Oh hey, it's that r3ddit cancer tripfag.

>>62398495
i3 isn't a DE, don't feel pressured into running it if you're not comfortable with it. Use lxde or xfce if you want something minimal
>>62398517
Ok, use the tool that works for you. Why use a hammer when you need a screwdriver?

>>62398508
>愛してるさわこ !BE/4wes0mE
kill yourself cancer faggot i hope you get aids and die

shoot or hang yourself worthless trash

>>62398110
OOGA BOOGA BOOGA

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>>62398517
Windows is a piece of shit. /g/ robbed too many years of my time with these meme.

>>62398495
Don't listen to /g/ for constructive criticism. All you need if you're a beginner is KDE or GNOME, these two bloaties look for the best experience overall by spoonfeeding you things. You can then proceed to install your programs of choice and move to a lighter DE like Xfce or a WM if you feel risky.

>>62398549
>Ok, use the tool that works for you. Why use a hammer when you need a screwdriver?
Shit analogy. More like
>Ok, stop pointing out that Linux is a broken piece of shit you're hurting my feelings. Why use a broken hammer when you need a hammer?

>>62398142
Anyone? My desktop runs fluid smooth. I OP's claim to be massively FUD.

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>>62397937
>Every Linux file manager is buggy.
Using dolphin right now and it's the best file manager i've used on any operative system to be honest.

>Every Linux desktop is slow and /g/ keeps telling me to switch to tiled window managers to hide the lag.
Using kde neon right now with plasma 5.10.5 and works perfectly. I used to use windows and honestly i would come back to it as my main OS.

>Every distro has something wrong with it.
Ubuntu and derivatives are pretty nice and easy to use in my own experience, i've recommended it to friends and family and they're very happy with their linux OS. Yeah, no OS is perfect but if i put the pros and cons of each one linux keeps wining by a large margin for me.

>Most programs are Windows-only
True, this is the main reason why a lot of people can't switch completely despite genuinely liking linux more. It's important to note that this doesn't makes windows better, honestly i find the distros i've used much better technically and usability-wise. It would be good to have a higher marketshare so third parties wouldn't be able to ignore linux, also this would only benefit not only linux users but also windows users too unless they think they're married with windows forever.

Despite this i find there's only certain areas where there's actually no viable software available on linux, for example civil engineering. In general i find the selection of programs on linux very good and i'll post a nice pasta with some recommendations and to break some myths.

>plagued by display issues
This depends heavily on the setup and the hardware but for me it has been worked very nice both on my Nvidia 1050 and my older sandy bridge laptop. Also the AMD drivers which was one of the most problematic ones already stopped sucking, maybe my next GPU will be a radeon.

>There is no Linux desktop environment that looks good, is fast, and is highly functional.
Plasma 5 for me is the best, i don't agree with your opinion but i respect it tho.

>>62398564
Good please use Linux. One more freetard who doesn't get anything done all day is one less person to saturate the CS job market.

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>>62398517
Windows is an utter garbage, why are you replying to me?

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>>62398598
This is the pasta:
Working on linux v1.1

Kicad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCG4daPvuVI
Natron
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2MvbfuITT8
Blender
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDRTjzLNK0g
Krita
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raKHHFv4nN8
Krita
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEoJgQAfb5Y
Lightworks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7znIHsyqfm0
Kdenlive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8hO4K7mZG4
Unity3D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4BUcIDdpAM
Opentoonz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGFUtqM8oAs
Godot engine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqumdhqy8Uw
BricsCAD VS Autocad
http://cad.softwareinsider.com/compare/5-10/AutoCAD-vs-BricsCAD
Bricscad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eLM3NrOJms
Freecad Demo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XW0AqKG5zI
Freecad BIM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qmjz6WXyWBY
Freecad & 3D printing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqZeThC38ug
Gimp 2.10 features
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5RIveQypgw
How to install photoshop on wine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-Mo3GTcOQ4
Digikam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnk_VzedqlU
Pixar Film Production
https://youtu.be/JmH4KYcmHOo
Linux art 1
http://www.sylvia-ritter.com/new-gallery/
Linux art 2
http://www.peppercarrot.com/
Davinci Resolve
https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve

>>62398603
I do use windows, inside a VM, that's where pajeetware like w**dows and java trash belongs to

>>62398611
can I get this pastebinned?
>>62398598
Are you literally me? I use KDE on anything that can run it, Xfce on slow computers and WMs when I wanna fuck around.

>>62398606
ok anon

>>62397988
Exactly. Linux is like a fine wine. It tastes bad until you recognize its subtleties. Normies will never understand this, because as soon as they get confused they get spooked and run home to daddy Windows.

>>62398603
>>62398578
So far your claims have not been backed and just insults. Do you think anyone cares how angry you got?

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>>62398632
No problem anon

>>62398635
>So far your claims have not been backed and just insults.
>he thinks arguing will make Linux better
hahahahhahahahahahha

>>62398603
Anon...
http://www.zdnet.com/article/open-source-professionals-are-more-in-demand-than-ever/

>>62398578
But it isn't broken. I was trying to be reasonable, but since you're just going to generalize and shitpost I see that being reasonable in saying "use what works for you" isn't going to work. Well you know what? Fuck you and fuck Windows. It's a broken piece of shit that can't even update all software on the machine without installing extra bullshit. Not to mention all the fucking with standards that Microsoft tries to do just to push out open standards from the industry. If I need a hammer Windows is like a fucking toy knife.

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>>62398642
So you are avoiding arguments. Not surprised because you don't have one.

>>62397937
I am normie as fuck but I have been running only linux (ubuntu/xubuntu) for the past 10 years only. Never run into any problems, then again my laptop is pretty much a 4chan only machine.

>>62398650
good post i read it
>>62398647
>Open source == Linux
wrong

>>62398634
After a few of years you'll realize that you've put up with a bunch of bullshit "subtleties" for no reason other than to be a special snowflake

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>>62398629
>can I get this pastebinned?
I got this from a paste site but i don't have the URL anymore, i guess anyone can put it on a paste site.

>Are you literally me? I use KDE on anything that can run it, Xfce on slow computers and WMs when I wanna fuck around.
Yeah, same here. It's a good thing there's a lot of choice despite some people in this board tries to paint it as something bad.

Pic is my comfy setup.

>>62398663
i have better shit to do than spend hours proving myself to freetards. Why the fuck are you in this thread anyway? Read the OP. This is a thread for shitting on Linux. Leave if you want to derail it freetard.

>>62397937
Windows 7 is still supported

>>62398698
>i have better shit to do than spend hours proving myself to freetards
Like shitting on Linux on 4chan? Who knew?

>>62398362
I like you.
Posting from bunsenlabs.

>>62398698
>muh safe space
Weak

>>62397937
there does not exist a solid video editor for gnu/linux
davinci resolve and lightworks only support distros that are debian-based or use rpm
even though blender works, it's primarily a 3d modeling program and its ui isn't ideal for editing video

>>62398676
>Open source == Linux
>wrong
What's your point? read >>62398603 and try to defend that. With that link the guy got BTFO.

>>62398698
>No actual arguments
>Please leave me alone if you don't want to support my viewpoint
Get fucked

>>62398724
>davinci resolve and lightworks only support distros that are debian-based or use rpm
What's wrong with that?

>>62398378
WAIT
IS THAT
REAL?

L M F A O

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>>62398698
>>62398706

>>62398706
>Like shitting on Linux on 4chan? Who knew?
Yes because I enjoy it, for the past couple weeks I've been working all day then shitposting on 4chan, usually shitting on Linux
>>62398721
The fuck are you talking about? You came in a thread and started spewing your typical freetard shpiel that no one wants to hear and get triggered when I don't humor you

>>62398517
ok

>>62398746
they're shite (not gentoo)

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>>62398746
Davinci resolve is on the AUR tho

>>62398110
Sopa pendejo.

>>62398770
You can always use chroot :^)

>>62398724
>even though blender works, it's primarily a 3d modeling program and its ui isn't ideal for editing video
But you can customise the UI?

>>62398764
>for the past couple weeks I've been working all day then shitposting on 4chan, usually shitting on Linux
Yeah "working"
I get it

>>62398724
What's wrong with Kdenlive?

>>62398755
It is, actually. No one really develops on windows anymore. I know I wouldn't especially after when microsoft secretly implanted their spyware into their C++ compiler

>>62398724
I don't know about other package formats but you can fetch lightworks and Da vinci resolve on arch based distros. Usually interested distros repackages this kind of programs.
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/lwks/
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/davinci-resolve/

>>62398764
>TRIGGERED WINKUCK SNOWFLAKE
LMFAO

Get over it, wincuck your safe place belongs to >>>/v/

>>62398764
>waaa why did you come to my safe place
/g/ is dead.

This is what happens when we open the flood gates for wintoddlers and pretend their toddler toy video gaming computers and their relevant gaming OS has anything to do with technology. Turning this place into a babycare fruity toddler gamerbabby hugbox was a terrible mistake.

Now the second kind of issues is intrinsic to Windows 10 only

Windows 10 spies on you and even more so on your children aka phones home (welcome NSA/CIA/thoughtcrime/1984)! Microsoft added spying features to Windows 7/8.1 as well (more general list). Microsoft officially admits that automatic spying cannot be disabled in Windows 10.
The official Microsoft guide on Windows 10 telemetry settings contains this beautiful tidbit: "Ability to gather user content, such as documents, if they might have been the trigger for the issue". Now, Microsoft states that user files can be requested only on the "Full" level of telemetry, however you need to bear in mind that this feature is built-in, it's remotely triggered, and it can be used to get any of your data any time they want.
In April 2017 Microsoft published a list of things it's collecting from your PC at basic telemetry setting (Web Archive copy).
Wow, just wow: Microsoft now openly publishes its collected data in regard to Windows 10 users:
"Over 44.5 billion minutes spent in Microsoft Edge across Windows 10 devices in just the last month" - we spy on Edge users.
"Over 82 billion photos viewed within the Windows 10 Photo app" - you're using our Gallery app, right? Great!

>>62398764
Dude, if you're going to be a complete asshole for no good reason at least make sure to not live in a house made of crystal. You got BTFO, just accept it.

>>62398793
blender has a steep learning curve and i don't think many people use it as a video editor so finding help may be difficult
>>62398809
>solid

>>62398379
I'm getting paid by the post. It's no secret some of us earn our livings this way.

>>62397937
>Every Linux file manager is buggy.
I use Thunar and I don't see bugs
>Every Linux desktop is slow and /g/ keeps telling me to switch to tiled window managers to hide the lag.
u wot m8, use hardware from this century or learn how to install proprietary drivers, never had issues like that in so many PCs and laptops. Also don't use hipster meme window managers
>Every distro has something wrong with it. There's no distro that is meant to replace Windows/Mac for consumers.
Yep
>Most programs are Windows-only
Yep
>Linux is plagued by display issues
Was*
>There is no Linux desktop environment that looks good, is fast, and is highly functional.
There are a few pretty good DEs and out-of-the-box distros, the thing is you want to use a different OS as it was your old one. You MUST learn it or you won't be able to do shit, stop saying it isn't fast or functional or whatever

t. Arch user that has been through Ubuntu, Fedora, Debian and Manjaro in many different hardware configurations

>>62398589
Bump

>>62398851
>>62398831
>>62398800
Here's what's going to happen:

I'm going to uninstall Linux, and replace it with Windows. After that I will proceed to get shit done and not have any bugs + be much more comfy because despite some retarded screenshot you have of Windows that you think proves something, Windows is much more stable than Linux as a desktop OS.

You are going to continue using Linux, spending hours tinkering with your system, constantly running into bugs, using crippled software and overall hindering your computer experience because you fell for a meme.

>>62398379
Good work!, keep spreading bull... er, i mean facts to more potential customers. You may seem to have an unabated passion for technology so i guess you be be interested into a job as DEVELOPER EVANGELIST. Believe me, you're good at what you do. Allow yourself take this unique chance!

https://www.microsoft.com/northafrica/careers/positions/de.htm

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>>62398930
>Windows
>I-its not so bad!
>There's literally nothing wrong with it!
>It's the only desktop OS that should exists!
>I-it's just telemetry to make it better!
>It's private data i don't care about anyway!
>If you give a certain piece of data to one company you must give all your private data to all companies because otherwise you're being hypocrite!
>I have nothing to hide!
>It's not mistreating, it's just a company doing company-like things.
>It's not microsoft being anti-competitive, anything goes on war, we don't need hypocrite moralfag hippies!
>Google are a buch of anti-competitive bastards because they don't support WP, competition on the mobile space against android would benefit everyone!
>It doesn't matter if supporting their practices doesn't benefits me. I defend them because my work depends on a program that only works on their platform!
>Customization is for nerds anyway!
>It doesn't matter if there exist multiple competing programs that supports your platform, if this specific program doesn't support your platform and you use that platform you must be unemployed! it's the industry fucking standard!
>No one needs that feature windows doesn't have, the average joe doesn't care!
>Android is not linux! that doesn't count as linux being successful!
>how you dare to criticize microsoft you autistic neet!
>Package managers are stupid anyway!
>Linux will never be relevant because you need to use the terminal to hack the mainframe for everything!
>Are you kidding me? you just need to run this commands and third party programs to opt out from those usage terms you don't like!
>You need to waste time editing thousands of text files just to feel you're a hacker on linux!
>Windows is not for idiots who cannot reinstall or configure their OS properly!

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>>62398930
>Here's what's going to happen:
Been there, done that. Came back to Linux, happened not once but 3-4 times.

Windows is just not usable at this point. I'll give you a week.

Linux isn't a substitute for windows. It's for real enthusiast(autistic) niggas.

>>62398960
I don't know man. I highly doubt it. I feel the same way about Linux be unusable at this point. I've found a lot of bugs in every DE I've used, some I reported, some I haven't and none of them got fixed. Ubuntu and Gnome 3 had the least bugs, but they were both bloated as shit and run slower than Windows. I use XFCE because it's the least buggy one which uses a traditional interface rather than this mix between touchscreen/desktop frankenstein which is Ubuntu and Gnome.

The interface is good but unfortunately too many bugs for me, coupled with the lack of software and driver shit show I'm just moving to Windows.

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linux is fucking shit

>>62399103
What are those bugs?

>>62397937
>Every Linux file manager is buggy.
They are not bugged. They are just made by autists for autists.
>Every Linux desktop is slow and /g/ keeps telling me to switch to tiled window managers to hide the lag.
Because they are brainwashed.
>Every distro has something wrong with it. There's no distro that is meant to replace Windows/Mac for consumers.
/g/ likes to call these "quirks" because they, again, are brainwashed into gentoo memelords.
>Most programs are Windows-only
Because only a small vocal minority of autists use linux-based systems. That and companies that do not know the downsides of linux and just switch because "muh free open-source!"
>Linux is plagued by display issues
No is Windows, but again, most diehard brainwashed linites will claim these to be features.
>There is no Linux desktop environment that looks good, is fast, and is highly functional.
Most of the people that use it are barely functional as well, so they see no difference.

The point is that Linux has issues and instead of fixing them, shitheads just demand conformity to their mindset rather than to appeal to a broader audience and that is what keeps Linux-based systems from ever being more than a meme. You do not reach new customers by putting a wall between you and them and gatekeeping just means you are immature.

>>62399147
Unity's autohide dock feature is broken, too broken to use, XFCE and LXDE don't handle Chrome's maximized/minimized state correctly so Chrome opens to be the size of the screen so it looks like it's maximized, so if I click the top right pixel of the X it closes the Window behind it. Thunar has been a broken POS forever, today it crashed while putting my external hard drive in it. I get "XFCE has encountered an error" on every startup. There's a lot of screen tearing, Volume adjustment barely works on my laptop, freezes up and takes like 20 seconds to adjust volume, adjusting screen brightness is broken as shit on my laptop, GRUB freezes up half the time when selecting an OS to boot from on my current setup, Gnome 3 crashes with fullscreen games & alt tabbing all the time,

that's what I can think of off the top of my head.

>>62399233
Since I mostly use KDE, I wouldn't know. But I can assure you that fullscreen games in GNOME is not a problem

As for tearing/stuttering I posted my screencast ITT, it's pretty fluid imo

>>62399292
Last time I used KDE I crashed it within 5 minutes by opening and closing the settings menu. I have had a lot of issues with fullscreen games on Gnome so no, you can't assure me that.

I've had a lot of computers and I've never had one that didn't screen tear on LXDE/XFCE. I don't get screen tearing on Gnome or Unity but their interface is so bad I'd rather use Windows and they have other issues. 1% of people who don't experience screen tearing on their specific 1 in a million setup is maybe the 1% market share Linux has....

>>62399225
>You do not reach new customers by putting a wall between you and them and gatekeeping just means you are immature.
This implies linux is hard, yet i've found it as easy or easier to windows and a lot of people i've recommended and installed it to confirms that is more about familiarity than difiulty. In fact if you mean the marketshare there's reason that are actually reasonable on why windows has practically a monopoly (but at the same time MS cannot win in any other area):

>>62399350
What tearing?
https://track6.mixtape.moe/yxumxa.webm

>>62399363
- Microsoft has deals with hardware companies, so most laptop and desktop computers comes bundled with their products.
- Most people uses whatever comes bundled with the hardware and i can bet a lot of them doesn't even know what is an operative system and that you can choose it. If the brand "Windows" were related to quality then WP would be the most used mobile operative system because the demand would be high.
- Microsoft has deals with schools, so people is trained from a young age to use microsoft products. For a lot of them it's a question of being a comfort zone, not even about the difficulty. I can say this because in my own experience most windows users never solve their own problems, they ask other people to solve their problems.
- Microsoft has a huge lock-in with their formats and APIs. Independently on if we can consider they products are good or bad, the fact is that they use anti-competitive measures to lock their users and developers. For example their document formats doesn't honors the "ISO standard" they supposedly issued. If they care about interoperability with competing solutions they would use the well documented version of their format. But no, they uses their dominant position to push a version of the format only they know exactly how it works (interestingly and despite this, i have gotten problems even with different versions of MSO). Most of the documents in this format are created with MSO and most people doesn't even knows about the strict version of the format, this makes their format a moving target for competitors at best. Their development tools is another good example if a lock-in, they only care about compatibility on markets where they're losing like server or mobile.

Oh, and yeah, i think the rest of your post is pure and unadulterated bullshit, at least try something better.

>>62399365
Are you blind?
>1% of people who don't experience screen tearing on their specific 1 in a million setup is maybe the 1% market share Linux has....

>>62399365
>>62399350
As for settings menu crashes, see
https://my.mixtape.moe/dclybm.webm

>>62399407
Are you sure you aren't running obsolete hardware?

>>62399428
>Are you sure you aren't running obsolete hardware?
Yeah I am running 'obsolete' hardware. Because all hardware that Linux has bugs with is considered 'obsolete'

Going to install Windows now. They support my obsolete hardware in my desktop I bought last year just fine.

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>>62399365
Thanks for this! It's sad how winshills just cannot win.
>winshill: presents vague claims, shows a bug report or try to paint a feature as something "that only nerds use" along with an exaggerated reasoning and an slippery slope conclusion.
>linux user: presents proof that either supports their claims or that disproves the other guy's claim along with a reasoning.
>winshill: Starts calling names or tries to discredit with ad hominems.
>linux user: points to the fallacy and questions the winshill about its motives.
>winshill: usually no answer or it start whining about how "linux users are mean" and claiming dubious experiences about being mistreated by linux users in the past and how he's doing this because "linux users deserve to lose".
errryyytime!

>>62399363
>more about familiarity than difficulty
Incorrect. There is a staggering amount of things one needs to know aside from basic computer literacy to use just about any linux-based machine. The mere fact that you are here on /g/ means you are not average and that is the whole point.

The command line is just a start (and in some cases, bars new users from ever even logging in!) Memorizing commands takes a very different level of thought than simply pointing and clicking, which comes natural to people. People want easy, intuitive, and "natural." Windows does all of these things (out of the box) in a much more user-friendly way. A toddler can use a windows-based machine (possibly even install it). Linux? Nope. Aside from Mint, all builds of Linux must be "learned." Yeah, once you know the command line, know the kernel structure, etc. you are good, but that is a barrier few (aside from autists) want to overcome.

>>62399473
>my desktop I bought last year
Do you happen to use Nvidia or some shit? I never had any problems with any AMD cards at all.

>>62399473
Ahm, not him but honestly i always had more luck on older hardware with linux than windows. Also usually all the hardware has worked OOTB. Just saying.

>>62399512
That seems to be the case with OP

>>62399512
"I-It's a feature!"

>>62399513
>Children can't install a Linux machine
>Put in Ubuntu disk and click next a few times
Vs
>Put in a Windows disk and click next a few times
You don't even try to update your arguments anymore, do you?

>>62398477
I said I can rename files within the file picker that you use to upload images to 4chan. You cannot do that on linux.

>>62399519
Not that guy, but Nvidia's proprietary driver always just werked fine for me. Nouveau is a piece of shit though.

>>62399618
>What is 4chanX

>>62399639
botnet

>>62399513
>There is a staggering amount of things one needs to know aside from basic computer literacy to use just about any linux-based machine.
Nice claim but my experience says exactly the opposite.

> The mere fact that you are here on /g/ means you are not average and that is the whole point.
But i've recommended it and installed to people that doesn't visits /g/ and in fact barely knows anything about computers. In fact the people i had more problems with is people with a lot of experience on windows and with a very specific workflow on windows.

>The command line is just a start
Not obligatory to use on user oriented distros like ubuntu, at least not more than with windows.

>(and in some cases, bars new users from ever even logging in!)
Exactly what kind of distro are you talking about? There's usually a login screen on most distros.

>Memorizing commands takes a very different level of thought than simply pointing and clicking, which comes natural to people
This reasoning implies that to use linux you're obligated to use the CLI which is not the case on distros like ubuntu.

>eople want easy, intuitive, and "natural." Windows does all of these things (out of the box)
Honestly i know a lot of people who often need help with windows and if this were true there wouldn't be a need to create courses about how to use window.

>in a much more user-friendly way
Honestly i disagree based on my own experience.

>A toddler can use a windows-based machine.
Honestly i don't buy this considering a lot of adults cannot use windows without constant help in my own experience.

>(possibly even install it)
Ok, this time i don't know if take you seriously, read by yourself what did you wrote.

>Linux? Nope.
If you talk about a kid, let alone a toddler honestly i don't buy this is the case for windows.

>Aside from Mint, all builds of Linux must be "learned."
Are you aware everything has a learning curve, including windows?

>>62399610
>What interface do you want?
>How do you want the drive partitioned?
>Want the correct time updated from the time server? Enter that command.
>Want to update graphics drivers? (Assuming the ones for your distro exist) Enter that command.
If you think "inserting the disk" is all you do to install a linux-based system, you are an idiot that never has installed one. Sitting here installing Debian right now on an old PC to use as a Linux box and just thinking how a 5 year old would do with it is comical. (And no, just becuase you are mentally 5 does not count.) Having everything spoonfed to you with Windows is not a bad thing. If you think so, you are a gatekeeper like previously discussed.

>>62399636
True. Most distros will preconfigure your drivers anyways. With AMD, you get the best drivers in vanilla installs because they are open source and integrated within the kernel.

Nvidia works fine when you install their driver

>>62399698
>Yeah, once you know the command line, know the kernel structure, etc. you are good,
To be honest now i think you're just parroting misinformation. Why you do this? what's the point? you're just making yourself look dumb, honestly i've a hard time believing someone can take this claim seriously.

>but that is a barrier few (aside from autists) want to overcome.
And yep, confirmed, you're just a petty troll. I made an effort to answer you properly but honestly this is just too hilarious. Good luck at convincing someone.

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>Windows is shit.
>MacOS is even more shit.
Somehow both are better than Gnu/Linux.

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>>62399698
>Picks the distro that mimics the look and feel of Windows to prove that Linux can be just as easy to use as Windows.

Hue

>>62399755
>To be honest now i think you're just parroting misinformation. Why you do this? what's the point? you're just making yourself look dumb, honestly i've a hard time believing someone can take this claim seriously.
Not him but I can't find any argument in that post of yours

>>62399768
GNU/Linux is GNU shit.

>>62399716
If you think Ubuntu doesn't do all that for you, you're using outdated arguments. Seriously, boot up Ubuntu 17.06 or whatever is the most recent one and screenshot where it says any of those.
>Throwing insults
I'm not the one saying and encouraging everything needs to be made for 5 year olds

>>62399797
see
>>62399774
Aside from a fear of big daddy Microcock, there is not reason to use a system that mimics the look and feel of another system with added barriers to entry (no matter how small you think they are) and less compatibility with common software that the general public uses.

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>>62399716
>What interface do you want?
Do you mean DE? unless you're using a distro that allows you to choose that you usually don't need to choose the desktop environment.

>How do you want the drive partitioned?
Not necessary, just ask the installer to use all the disk, like on windows.

>Want the correct time updated from the time server? Enter that command.
Usually configured by default, you just need to click your country on a map.

>Want to update graphics drivers? (Assuming the ones for your distro exist) Enter that command.
What command? this argument was already dubious in 2007, let alone 2017. Please dude, you're just on the top of MT. stupid (see pic to understand what i'm referring to, i'm not actually calling you stupid). There's a gui for this kind of things in a lot of distros, you seriously need to update your arguments.

>you can do whatever you want in Linux
>install latest flavour of the month
>I want to move the save/ok buttons from the top of the screen because thats in a fucking stupid position

you cant do it, linux sucks, xorg sucks dicks, file managers crash all the fucking time, gpu drivers are shit, games dont work, apps are broken pieces of shit and never look good and are never finished, setting up printers is a pain in the fucking ass unless it just works ootb, file permissions for fucking EVERYTHING... everyone says never run sudo unless you have to, well you have to fucking use sudo for 99% of commands otherwise you get "YOU DO NOT HAVE PERMISSION" what is the fucking point

after 5 yrs full time and on and off for 20 ish years going back and forth i am finally fucking done with this piece of shit

doesnt help that almost every linux community is filled with rude elitist assholes. people are friendlier here and that's saying something.

>>62399783
Honestly, answer the question. I hardly think someone will believe you anyway then what's the purpose?

>>62399819
>Deflecting the argument
You're wrong anon. It's okay. We were talking about ease of installing a system, that is it. I do not care how similar it is to Windows or not. A child could install Ubuntu just like they could install a Windows OS. That is all. You deflect and deny and refuse to accept that Linux has evolved out of the 90s.

haǃ
I love the way linux is naturally anti pleb
kinda like books, anyone can open a book, few can actually read it, and only the truly enlightened can gain any kind of insight from it
well... not all books, but my analogy stands

>>62399852
>doesnt help that almost every linux community is filled with rude elitist assholes. people are friendlier here and that's saying something.

Welcome to the autistic community. Now, go fuck yourself. Elitism is a requirement to install your first distro and it is why the linux section of SO is filled with cucks.

>>62399852
>I want to move the save/ok buttons from the top of the screen
huh? The app developer designed the app in that way, unless you recompile the app you can't do that. Linux is certainly more customizable.

>you cant do it, linux sucks, xorg sucks dicks, file managers crash all the fucking time, gpu drivers are shit, games dont work, apps are broken pieces of shit and never look good and are never finished, setting up printers is a pain in the fucking ass unless it just works ootb, file permissions for fucking EVERYTHING... everyone says never run sudo unless you have to, well you have to fucking use sudo for 99% of commands otherwise you get "YOU DO NOT HAVE PERMISSION" what is the fucking point
Seems to work just fine for me, I even posted multiple screencasts to back my claim unlike you

>>62399884
i disagree, see >>62399380

>>62399913
I like you. Facts, evidence, screenshots, videos, proof.
And all they have is
>Nope! Lol Linux is impossible! Never ever! Or just outright ignoring you

>>62399852
>doesnt help that almost every linux community is filled with rude elitist assholes. people are friendlier here and that's saying something.
Hah, it was like a prophecy >>62399512
>winshill: usually no answer or it start whining about how "linux users are mean" and claiming dubious experiences about being mistreated by linux users in the past and how he's doing this because "linux users deserve to lose".
errryyytime!
We won guys! passive-agressive SJW-ish tactis is his last defense.

>>62399872
>1 distro means all of linux
Cherry picking the results. See? I can pick and choose logical fallacies too! What fun. Let us continue this as you continue to not make an argument for 99.999% of distros.

>>62399884
>Elitism and gatekeeping are good and healthy for the growth of an OS's market share
Fuck off.

>>62398379

Gnome is developd by Rad Hat, unfortunately autists still think linux is a hacker tinker thing when biggest corporations develop for and rely on it.

>>62397937
At this time, nothing fully prevents me. The lack of proprietary apps however is a genuine problem. It is a concern. Sometimes, for some people, for the problems at hand, a proprietary tool is all that will fit, and Linux does not attract them as well as it could. Canonical tried with Unity 8 and Mir and for everything wrong with those things it was a low resistance path towards the objective of getting others to play with them to build the app ecosystem they were going to need to sell tablets or phones.

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Just going to leave this here.

>>62399948
>Anon: a child couldn't install Linux
>Me: here is an example of how a child could install Linux
>Anon: wtf that doesn't count, lol cherry picking
You have no leg to stand on

>>62400037
Nice to see Linux is rising. I've seen it grow from 1 - 2 - 3% :)

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>>62397937

>>62399915
>big ass paragraph begins with "microshit"
dropped

>>62399965
almost the entire internet (our fucking modern world) runs on linux
>muh market share
you've issues son

>>62400037
>3.37%
Isn't that an all time high?

>>62397937
>-Every Linux file manager is buggy.
cp, ls, cd, mv, and rm all work fine for me.

>>62400039
>Anon: One distro is all of Linux!
>Me: No, there are thousands and looking at the one that proves your point while disregarding the vast majority is folly.
>Anon: Ha! I win! You have no leg to stand on.
Your leg is based on 99.999% bad results. I think you should get that checked out. I think it is cancer.

>>62400090
Actually I am not even sure I would call Nautilus or Thunar or any other file manager really buggy either. What is wrong with the file managers at all?...

>>62400091
Where did I claim that ubuntu was all of Linux? All I said was "no, a child can install a Linux distribution and this is the example".

>>62400113
Idk... sometimes I think these are Markov chain autoposted troll threads.

>>62400080
>"microshit"
ahm, it doesn't says "microshit" in that post. Are you just false flagging?

>>62400113
File managers are vastly superior on linux than on windows. I'm not even sure why they picked that talking point of all things. Does windows even have tabs yet?

>>62399512
What the fuck? This post looks like a joke but I can't tell. I posted a huge list of bugs (only the ones I could think of off the top of my head, there are many more) and this guys 'evidence' is
>werks on my machine. lol linux is king. they wil kil window out of desktop!

>>62399233

It amazes me how delusional Linuxfags are. They're kind of like niggers. Always claiming how the system is holding them down and it's everyone elses fault.
>I-It's the Windows monopoly! That's why our OS is so shit with so many bugs! If Windows wasn't holding us down using capitalism and competition with a superior product then we'd be successful!

Laughing right now as I'm writing this. There are actual delusional Linuxfags reading this that believe the Windows DE has more bugs than Linux DE's.

>>62400037

Only computing area where Microsoft Windows is dominant is on the desktop, which is a shrinking market...

All other computing markets are dominated by Linux, servers, cloud, mobile, embedded, supercomputers, gpu/cluster computing etc.

post yfw windows file managers can't create a folder called AUX

>>62400148
>I posted a huge list of bugs
>doesn't link to any bug reports

>>62398257
Holy shit pajeet no ox shit for your kids tonight. Good job.

>>62397937
those are all lies though

>>62400116
>Deflecting the argument
Seems you are learning from me or was it just that I was right and you are cherry picking to always feel "right" when you are actually 99.999% wrong? As the proverb goes "there is an exception to every rule," and ignoring the majority with tunnel vision to look at the one thing that proves your point is unhelpful.

>>62400137
the entire post is about MS, as in microshit. The slang term I use to describe their awful products and policies.

>>62398091
They've come to the wrong place if they want to convert people to Windows.

>>62400149
>servers, cloud, mobile, embedded, supercomputers, gpu/cluster computing etc.

So, industry, where trained user are using them. The general public has not and probably will never adopt Linux due to the previously discussed barrier to entry and general unfriendly, unhelpful community.

>>62400219
>mobile
>trained user

>>62397937
-False
-Very false
-True. Didn't used to be the case, though. Install gentoo. Not perfect, but best you'll get.
-Absolutely true, but probably not the way you mean with this b8.
-This is opinions and I completely disagree: see Mate. However, you're close to being right, as it's the only one left.

Very solid b8, m8. Most of your points are legitimate and I am sick and tired of having to deal with these issues.
Yet, other OSs that I've tried have significantly worse issues: wangblows 7 is no longer supported, and has all the spyshit and lack of customization of wangblows 10. But wangblows 10, as well as killing all control from the OS, is also the buggiest piece of garbage OS that has EVER existed. Everything crashes every 5 seconds, the interface is retarded slow and completely dysfunctional. It's never possible to find anything you're searching for -- you have to use bash-on-windows and ubuntu's find for that!!!
As for homosex, it's a walled garden with the most cancerous WM/DE I've ever seen. Actually it's not all that bad, especially since it has a nice unix base, but I just had more than enough last I used it (almost a decade ago to be fair, and I never properly owned one, nor a hackintosh, it was just for work).

I'm honestly looking for alternatives at this point. BSDs are out for having crap hardware support AND crap virt support, making it impossible to use them as light hosts for low-overhead virt linux utils with an hvm windows machine for software that needs GPU and only works on wangblows.
However, it's possible that OpenIndiana or SmartOS are viable. If anyone tried them in that setting it would be great to get some insight. LX-branded zones and a full kvm impl, along with the native illuminos tooling, sounds divine on paper. Performance of kvm is said to be as good as linux's, and LX-branded zones are said to be close-to-no overhead.

>>62400233
>Install gentoo
Stopped reading. Nice try though.

>>62398698
Defeated.

>>62400254
Get an argument. Also get a life. Also install gentoo.

>>62400272
:^)

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>>62400254
>Install gentoo
You are the only one ITT who said this.
Why are winshills trying so hard to deflect any real arguments. Are they so weak?

>>62399126
Not an argument.

>>62400297
If you seriously think Gentoo is a legitimate distro that anyone should use, you need serious help. I was responding to the poster here: >>62400233
that said (without any obvious irony) to install that shitstorm, meaning everything else he says should be taken with a mountain of salt. It is like screaming "PRAISE HITLER" become starting a speech. It does not vote well for your credibility as anything more than a memelord.

>>62400347
*before starting a speech.

>>62400197
Not sure what are you reading or interpreting exaclty, i'm just pointing that there's a lot of reasons for windows' marketshare that are not relate to the quality of the OS or about it's difficulty. I do this because some people tries to imply that the marketshare is an indicator of quality or the friendliness of the OS when this is not necessarily true and more in the case of Windows.

>>62400219
>The general public has not and probably will never adopt Linux due to the previously discussed barrier to entry and general unfriendly, unhelpful community.
see >>62399941 good to see you don't have arguments anymore.

>>62400347
Gentoo is genuinely the last linux distro that's actually usable. Yes, install takes a while. But after that, FEATURES, LICENSE, accept_keywords/mask/unmask/use, the sheer availability of packages, and the release channels make it absolutely unbeatable, especially since it's the only distro where if you install something, that thing works and is stable (if there's a problem, it will almost always fail to compile instead of existing in a broken state in your system).
Meanwhile in ubugu land, it's such garbage that even the distro installer goes into infinite loops if you try to partition manually, and is completely and utterly incapable of dealing with lvm's (if your system already has lvm's and you're trying to remove them, you can't without crashing). Even if you manage to install it (good luck with that), you'll get to enjoy a package manager frontend that literally fails to install packages (apt still works at least), and an updater that claims there's a network problem when trying to install updates, even though there's nothing wrong with the network (and apt works just fine).
And that's the most popular distro of linux bar none.

>>62400347
>being this upset because you're too dumb to use gentoo

>>62400400
>No argument
Good to see I am a good teacher. Same cannot be said for linux users.

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>>62400418

>>62400418
>>62400412
>>62400297
>>62400233
And so the Gentoo shilling begins. This thread is officially just about memes and therefore is dead.

>>62400427
He was kicked out for being a faggot, which is why he's the funtoo lead dev now, uninvolved with gentoo.
Even if that wasn't the case, this is literally not an argument.

>>62397937
>-Every Linux file manager is buggy.
Hmm. I don't see the bug. Can you do this on your precious windows?
https://my.mixtape.moe/hsohqe.webm

>>62400440
Or you could address >>62400233
instead of obsessing over your sour gentoo grapes.

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>>62400441

>>62400450
You should install kparts and kate-part, it will allow you (among other things) to do inline naming for new items.

>>62398764
>usually shitting on Linux
so you are the retard that constantly make anti-linux threads all the day?
what a sad life

>>62400427
>taking the opinion of a macfag seriously

>>62400440
There is nothing wrong with Gentoo. It excels at what its meant to do.

When will summer end?

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>>62400476
>h-he's a m-m-macfag... don't listen to h-him

>>62400455
>Address the points of a clown
Why? I already get enough creampie on >>>/h/ and a rubber nose is only a slightly better doorstop than the Linux box I am using right now for that purpose.

>>62400382
so basically you are agreeing with me
winshit popularity has nothing to do with it's lack of quality
matter of fact, most people lack... anything and everything noteworthy
linux and most of everything else that actually matters, remains obscured and within the realms of critical thinkers
and I've no problem with this
the underground is where it's at

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>>62400476
>It excels at what its meant to do.
I did not know being a shitty meme was something to be proud of now.

No one else uses it at work, if I run into a problem it's downtime caused by my own poor choice of tooling.
That's it.

Honestly Linux beats Mac os at everything except for no airplay. But if I have a problem with Mac, everyone has the same problem and it gets attention quickly. If Mac stops me from debugging a server that has to live in Windows VM, there's a workaround already. If Linux does, welp, SOL.

>>62400412
>And that's the most popular distro of linux bar none.


Citation is needed here.

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>>62397937
macOS 

>>62397937
>Every Linux file manager is buggy
That's not true at all. Have you tried thunar, pcmanfm or spacefm? Nautilus (gnome files) is super buggy and dolphin can be buggy but the rest are fine.
>Every Linux desktop is slow and /g/ keeps telling me to switch to tiled window managers to hide the lag.
Did you try anything besides KDE and Gnome? XFCE, LXDE and LXQT are all good lightweight desktops that are lag free.
>Every distro has something wrong with it. There's no distro that is meant to replace Windows/Mac for consumers
There are pros and cons to every distro, but they aren't that bad. Replacing Windows/Mac is a very vague goal and is incredibly hard to target, I'd say the most consumer targeted distros are the Ubuntus, and Linux Mint.
>Most programs are Windows-only
Most programs have alternatives. Also lots of things are done through the web today anyways. There are very few unreplaceable windows only programs and wine can help with that.
>Linux is plagued by display issues
What kind of display issues? X can sometimes be a little wonky but usually if you are running a good DE it should handle displays fine.
>There is no Linux desktop environment that looks good, is fast, and is highly functional.
Again XFCE, LXDE and LXQT are fast and functional. Looks are subjective of course but you can theme all of them.

>>62400596
>look it up
>it's actually mint
HOLY FUCK WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN?
>ubuntu is only 4, behind debian, manjaro and mint
WOW!
But mint is ubuntu, debian is almost as buggy as ubuntu but also has only ancient packages at the same time, and manjaro is reputed (from arch) for being unstable anyway.
Still, I must take the last part back now.

>file managers are buggy
lol the best file managers are from linux.
>Every distro has something wrong with it
oh don't tell me. Windows is perfect?
>most programs are windows only
I don't need to be trapped in a system to get my things done. The adobe shits are important for ppl who work with that, but I don't need anything I can't do with gimp. I can't imagine many things I can do only on windows other than photoshop and wine works for that.
> There is no linux DE that looks good and blah blah blah
beautiful: kde and this shit on deepin
fast: xfce or some windows manager
functional: you can easily customize your DE/WM to do whatever you want. spend some time with your i3wm configs and nothing can be more funcional than that.

>>62398379
You're a kook, you shill. You're crazy. I'm not going to argue any valid points with you, I'm just going to call you insane, you shill kook.

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using it right now faggot, got a dedicated windows gaming pc under my tv.

>>62398016
Just curious, what do you need camtasia for? Because you can use ffmpeg or obs to do screen capture on Linux.

>>62400651
Can the system be isolated enough to ensure the OS isn't spying on you? I know apple has a lot of opensource components, so is it possible?
Can aqua be switched for something that's not trash?

>>62398122
Not him but "display issues" doesn't say what kind of display issues, there are thousands of different issues that could be called display issues.

>>62400655
>mint
Only thing closer to Windows (out of the box) than Ubuntu. Does it surprise you? People are used to Windows and how easy it is to use. Mint is one of the only distros that understands fighting the tide is stupid and not helping market share. The way forward is to be more like Windows, but without Microcuck involved.

>>62398016
I set one key to make a screen capture on my i3 config just like a print screen would work. One ffmpeg command

>>62398091
Microsoft and /v/tards. I think /v/tards who come here to talk about pc gayming shit and then they get flustered when they see people talking about Linux so they start freaking out.

>>62398110
That's ugly as fuck. Also there are plenty of themes on Linux made to look like Windows.

>>62400709
Last time I actually bothered to REALLY check the numbers, ubuntu and mint were battling it out for first place but ubuntu was more popular. I'm not surprised that it's either of them, but I never expected ubuntu to be 4th of all places.

>>62398091
>Thinking Microsoft gives a shit about a few elitists on an autist board and are not marketing 99.999999% to single obese moms and their brats (the majority of public computer buyers).

>>62400691
It's a common shill tactic. They mention something vague and then move on.

>>62400712
You should use scrot instead. It can do snips and shit which is great. Actually mate and kde have god-tier frontends for screenshots, but unfortunately that requires installing the whole thing.

>>62398193
I bet you just play video games all day and occasionally open up premiere pro to edit your lets plays then maybe once a month open after effects and cinema4d to try and learn to make 3d models.

>>62400742
>thinking MS doesn't know it's the elitists who tell other people what to buy
Yep, MS gives a shit, otherwise they wouldn't shill the shit out of the board.

But they're all obvious pajeets or cia niggers, it doesn't work. Like the systemd shills they fail every time.

>>62398392
Microsoft would not risk the pr nightmare of calling people gooks on fucking 4chan

>>62399639
3rd party software for something that should be native.

>>62397937
The constant and impossible to remedy screen tearing. It happens on i3. It happens on xfce. It happens with and without proprietary gpu drivers.

If they fix that, I will use linux 100% of the time.

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>>62400769
>unpaid devs
>fixing their hobby desktop

>>62400742
Windows doesn't make any money. Azure does (just a bit). O365 also makes some pocket change. The biggest $$$ for M$ is actually governments and big businesses, such as via bing service (powers yahoo and siri, among tons of others, surprisingly, and there's a partnership via cortana with amazon's alexa to let alexa talk to cortana), a CCI solution that's fairly new (list of customers is confidential for now), and the likes.

>>62398362
I thought crunchbang was discontinued?

>>62400423
Well, it was fun but i must go now. It's funny how everything you said backfired but yeah, we're at a point were you'll appeal to the "linux users are mean" argument then there's not a lot to do anymore, no one bought your crap but hey, you do this with a lot of enthusiasm so maybe you can get an actual paid work as "evangelist" if you're not one already.

>>62400766
Sure they would, I've seen MS PR shills use all kinds of language.

>>62400769
Just use compton faggot.

>>62400763
>tinfoil hat / 10
Got a source for any of the shills being related to microsoft? No, and you are just acting self-important. They could give two shits about a tech board on the internet calling them names.
>>>/x/ is that way, friend. They will listen to your schizo theories.

>>62400779
Most of linux development is done by paid employees.

There is no excuse for this constant and intolerable screen tearing.

>>62400801
I AM USING COMPTON.

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>>62397937
>Every linux file manager is buggy
Literally none of them except for Nautilus.

>Every Linux desktop is slow
Wrong except for KDE and that's assuming you're running a dinosaur machine

>Every distro has something wrong with it.
Are you literally saying "nothing is perfect" as an insult?

>There's no distro that is meant to replace Windows / Mac
That's a bad thing, you mongoloid. It means you can't improve Windows or Mac. inb4 "but they're already perfect anon!" Wrong again.
>Most programs are Windows-only
Most programs are also shit.
>Linux is plagued by display issues
Get off your ass and make an alternative to X then. Ubuntu has never failed to support a display I've thrown at it.
>There is no Linux desktop environment that looks good, is fast, and is highly functional.
There is no Windows desktop environment (read: one) that looks good, is fast, and is highly functional at the same time.

>>62398780

>does not know how to do a fucking differentiation between languages

Hey burger, Austria is not Australia.

Too many linux hate threads here. Microfags are going crazy. Let our autism alone.

>>62398508
I find it funny that you keep posting with a trip even though everyone realizes you are a complete retard.

>>62400808
>There is no excuse for this constant and intolerable screen tearing.
Except that everyone else tolerates it and that any development related to X is infinitely costly. Also wayland is absolute dogshit and will never be used by anybody so that's a deadend too, and they've been working on it for a decade now already.

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>>62398379
t. paid Windows Shill

>>62398495
Arch and i3 are not for beginners. You might want to install the proprietary drivers for your graphics card for better performance. Also the open source drivers for nvidia have gotten much better in recent years.

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>>62397937
>Every Linux file manager is buggy

I challenge you to show a file manager for the ganoo loonix that it worse than Finder

Linux having so many fair thing to criticize the shills always go for the easy linux stereotypes that on these days are mostly over or completely over
but i guess Microsoft don't pay enough to train these monkeys

>>62400784
>Windows doesn't make any money
Well, given windows 10 was free for most people, that is pretty fucking obvious now, isn't it? It does not take a genious to know you do not make money on giving something away for free (though if you want to be nitpicky, yes, they take a cut of the windows store shit). I meant physical desktops and mobile phones (ie computers, not the OSs on them).

>>62400840
Nautilus and Finder are neck and neck, but Finder is still worse.

>>62398517
A laptop with intel graphics one of the most supported linux setups. I don't understand what you are missing out on.

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>>62398243
I use Linux exclusively but your screenshot is hilariously bad. Who the fuck thinks pic related looks good?

>>62400826
Is there some magic setup that will fix the screen tearing, or do people literally just deal with it?

My 8 year old X220 running Windows 7 plays this perfectly, and Debian, Ubuntu, Arch, Crunchbang (back in the day), Xubuntu, etc just completely shit the bed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xkNy9gfKOg

>>62400790
>Anon: Shit...uhhhh....no more arguements. Time to insult the guy and leave! Ha! That will show him!

See yah. Come back and tell us all about your day at middle school when you get back. Maybe then, you will have something to say that is not just autistic ramblings.

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>>62400766
Lurk before posting

>>62400848
They don't get any money on that either. Nobody uses windows phones, period. Their surface books/surface pros are getting astoundingly bad sales (probably because of the ridiculous price, but you might recall bad press recently about how shitty-broken they are)
They tried to recoup the free win10 offer by forcing ads unto people (even M$ employees, who are given a free surface book or pro of the day with win10 enterprise - not ltsb; domain-joined) get the ads. Oh, and the fucking games of course. Those come from partnerships, as you would guess.

>>62398960

My Windows Server 2016 disagrees with you.

>>62400804
A-are you Jewish anon? I've had this conversation before and it's always with a Jew.

>>62400871
>Is there some magic setup that will fix the screen tearing,
Partly depends on hardware, e.g. you can enable composition and vsync.
Partly depends on what you mean by tearing, could be X filling or could be real tearing.
You can always try the garbage that is wayland, at least it's tearing-free.

>or do people literally just deal with it?
Mostly just this. The fact is, most people don't even notice anything.

>>62400871
**They shit the bed on my modern hardware, I might add (Skylake CPU, R9 3xx series GPU). Not the X220.

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>>62400884
>even M$ employees, who are given a free surface book or pro of the day with win10 enterprise - not ltsb; domain-joined) get the ads
Holy FUCK really?

They're farming their own idiots with this shit?

>>62398770
Both dpkg and rpm are in the gentoo repos, and seeing as both of those are basically just fancy tarballs it shouldn't be too hard to install on gentoo.

>>62400895
Sorry. You want >>>/pol/ My mistake.

>>62400907
Confirmed Jewish shill.

Here's the thing,

USE
THE
SOFTWARE
THAT
YOU'RE
MOST
PRODUCTIVE
WITH
YOU
FUCKING
AUTISTS

And stop polluting my board with your masturbatory arguments.

Do you need to use MS-DOS? Do you have a reason to use it? Who even cares.. Go ahead. Nobody has a gun to your head.

Do you need to use *BSD? Do you have a reason to use it? Who even cares.. Go ahead. Nobody has a gun to your head.

Do you need to use macOS? Do you have a reason to use it? Who even cares.. Go ahead. Nobody has a gun to your head.

Do you need to use Windows? Do you have a reason to use it? Who even cares.. Go ahead. Nobody has a gun to your head.

Do you need to use GNU/Linux? Do you have a reason to use it? Who even cares.. Go ahead. Nobody has a gun to your head.

Do you need to use TempleOS? Do you have a reason to use it? Who even cares.. Go ahead. Nobody has a gun to your head.

>>62400920
It's not merely a question of being productive when Windows shows ads and spies on you.

>>62398764
Shitposting is only supposed to be done on /b/. Global rule 3.

>>62400920
Learning to use something else is a very expensive process.
Hell, just installing something is a very expensive process.
You can't tell if the expense is worth it or not at all on average. Too many factors of variation. This is why those threads need to exist in some way, but not in the current form.
That said, your post is literally the worst post in the entire thread and that's saying something.

>>62400901

I get screen tearing writing an office document. Linux is so amazing

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>>62400920

FUCKING MOTHERFUCKING

/thread

FOR FUCK'S SAKE!

>>62400901
>The fact is, most people don't even notice anything.
Maybe I'm just weird then. In Windows games, I gladly sacrifice probably up to 15 FPS for vsync.

I don't even think I'm particularly picky about visuals. Fuck, 30 FPS is fine, but how can anybody live with screen tearing?

>>62400954
You're not weird, you're just not one of the same people who think playing games at a silky smooth 30-more-like-22 fps is perfectly acceptable.

>>62400949
fix your compositor, it's pretty easy

>>62397937
You have Linux subsystem for windows fully working in few days ( fall release ) that can run any Linux tool you need.

Then you can just program Linux software with Visual Studio using w/e extensions you want - for example I'm using VIM keybinds.

When your project is done, cleaned and optimized trough the plethora of tools just compile it on Linux subsystem or Linux machine / even virtual machine trough one button hit.

Most of your problems are avoided that way and you get to enjoy your linux servers.

When you do illegal stuff and need anonymity well you have to deal with w/e shitty thing comes on Linux distros, that's about it.

>>62400884
>windows phones, period
Fair enough. Those sales numbers are fucking terrible. 1% of the market share? I had no idea that had gotten so bad. I suppose Apple has truly taken over....the horror.

>They tried to recoup the free win10 offer by forcing ads unto people
A fine choice. It seems to work in most markets.

>even M$ employees, who are given a free surface book or pro of the day with win10 enterprise - not ltsb; domain-joined) get the ads
The fact that they are bastards is pretty well-known, but that is true of every tech company.

>Oh, and the fucking games of course. Those come from partnerships, as you would guess.
Which they get a cut from. (30% on average). The store is garbage, but it has made money from my understanding.

>>62398110
>GUI
GUIs are for niggers.

>>62400931
Do not want big daddy MS to find your kiddie porn, huh, anon?

>>62399233
Gnome and Unity are both terrible, you really shouldn't use them. The XFCE bugs you listed are strange, I've never had any of those happen before, except screen tearing which can be fixed by checking the "Synchronize drawing to the vertical blank" box in the window manager tweaks setting under the compositor tab. What distro were you using and what hardware?
>GRUB freezes up half the time when selecting an OS to boot
I think you might have a problem with your hardware.

>>62398193
You can play portal games, you finish them and what more games do you need?

>>62400996
Seems you MS shills are getting more and more desperate.

>>62400985
Store is either completely insignificant or is folded into win10 numbers. I've never heard anyone even mention it when we talk about FY outcomes.

>>62398504
I like your desktop anon, what's the name of the theme?

>>62400983
But the issue isn't that you can't run Linux tools on Windows. I've been doing that for many years with cygwin.

It's that you don't need the pile of shit Windows with the telemetry, ads, Pajeets looking over your shoulder, and baked-in vulns to run Linux software.

>>62399350
Enable v-sync in the window manager tweak settings on xfce.

>>62400920
This should be the default copypasta for the daily zealotry threads on /g/

>>62401037
Actually it's also that you can't run linux tools on windows. Show me a successful (linuxland) nvidia-smi inside cygwin, bash on windows, mingw shell, or anything else, for just one example.

>>62401018
Seems Linooox autists still cannot formulate arguments.

>>62401025
6.5 billion visits a month it was getting when it was released. Not sure what the current numbers are as MS stopped reporting them a while back, but it is probably still far from insignificant.

>>62400949
Proof please

>>62401095
that is first year. Meh. Need sleep. Still high numbers.

>>62401057
>successful (linux-land)
what's that even mean?

>>62399755
The guy you replied to said neither of the things that you claim he said. You are literally making shit up in a desperate attempt to make Linux look bad.

>>62399774
>Ubuntu
>mimics the look and feel of Windows
Have you even used ubuntu?

why is there no distro other than Ubuntu that ships with straight off the bat good looking fonts

after 30 years and all you linux cocksmokers still can't get something as basic as fonts working

>>62397937
>-Every Linux file manager is buggy
y love ls,mkdir, find , stat ... its faster and more productive
>-Every Linux desktop is slow and /g/ keeps telling me to switch to tiled window managers to hide the lag.

I love using openbox + shortcuts to have my full screen space

>-Every distro has something wrong with it. There's no distro that is meant to replace Windows/Mac for consumers.

keep on windows retard, i love to explore and mod my whole OS, nobody forced you to try or switch

>-Most programs are Windows-only
a person who cannot do its job without an specifically software is a retard in the area or doesnt work in real sciences
>-Linux is plagued by display issues
Retard gamer

-There is no Linux desktop environment that looks good, is fast, and is highly functional.

First KDE in 90's was more advanced than XP

>>62401143
This surprises you?

>>62400191
I don't think he's 99.999% wrong, in fact most modern distros have graphical installers. Debian, Fedora, OpenSUSE, CentOS, MInt, Ubuntu, even rather uncommon distros like Solus and Mageia have graphical installers. I think it's actually rarer these days for a distro to not have an installer.

>>62401159
It is close enough. If you want "holy shit identical", you go with mint.

>>62400808
You're correct but just on the Linux kernel, which along few GNU tools which are also supported by waay less paid developers are enough to run a server.

And that's it, no interest for anything else - you have the console what more you need? You want complete desktop experience install mac ox or windows.

>>62401209
Never said they did not have installers. I said they were not easy an intuitive for a non-computer literate person to install (ie like a 5 year old). The terminology and options in (ex. Debian) is fucking terrible and unless you know where to install the partions and such, you are fucked. Windows holds your hand and for the general public, that is not a bad thing.

>>62399852
>save/ok buttons on the top of the screen
That's a gnome theme, also gnome hates customization so that's why you couldn't change it. Try any other de and you will have sane button placement.
>xorg sucks dicks
Xorg can be pretty bad but wayland is in development to solve that.
>file managers crash all the fucking time
Did you try any file manager besides nautilus?
>gpu drivers are shit
That's nvidia being jackasses. AMD actually has good open source drivers.
>games don't work
There is a growing number of games that are native to Linux
>apps are broken pieces of shit and never look good and are never finished
Try using non-gnome apps.
>setting up printers is a pain in the fucking ass
HP printers are pretty well supported under Linux. Also I find that printers are shit in general, no matter the OS.
>file permissions for fucking everything
Every file has permissions in windows too.
>everyone says never run sudo unless you have to, well you have to fucking use sudo for 99% of commands
If the only commands you are running are things like apt-get (or whatever package manager) or editing system config files then yeah you will need root. If you are doing thins like moving files in your home directory or running scripts on files you have permissions for then you don't need sudo.

>>62399965
OS market share isn't that important. Also I find that most Linux communities aren't that elitist, as long as you actually google your problem first they won't mind. Just avoid the arch community.

>>62401238
No, it's not the whole desktop experience I want. It's the ability to play movies, or internet video, or games, or SCROLL WEB PAGES FOR FUCKS SAKES that I want.

I don't give a fuck about file explorers or desktop environments; I PREFER to use the terminal emulator. But I'm not using a silly assed OS that won't let firefox scroll plain text without hideous screen tearing.

>>62400130
Probably just MS paid shills with scripts that were written 15 years ago.

>>62401347
Then better start investing hundreds of millions of dollars to see it real, most of people with that money couldn't give a fuck about it as there is 0 return after that investment.

>>62401345
>OS market share isn't that important.
Says no one. Dominant OS means most devs make apps for it. See: Android for phones and Windows for desktops

>Most Linux communities aren't that elitist, as long as you actually google your problem first
Are you really expecting the average computer user to be smart enough to do a simple google search? Think stupid. Then, hit stupid in the head with a bat. That is your average computer user. Windows caters to that and that is not a bad thing. Dumb people = money. Hell, casinos make their ENTIRE profit off dumb assholes.

>Just avoid the arch community
"community" is a strong word. I prefer "hive."

>>62401347
fix your compositor

>>62401423
>Windows caters to that
Windows is in fact more difficult to use than Linux, partly because they've been fucking with the UI so badly.

TWO CONTROL PANELS

>>62400347
Gentoo is for experienced users obviously, and it's not for everyone. Still it's great if you want fine-grained control on how your system works and what each packages uses. Also the install process is no harder than arch.

>>62400427
He is no longer part of the gentoo project, he made his little spin off called funtoo. Also he even stated in his post that he mostly works on his Linux server through ssh, and if you read the whole article he says the reason he doesn't use desktop linux is because he would be too caught up making his own de to get any work done.

>>62400440
Despite the install gentoo meme on /g/, gentoo is actually a good distro with merit. Obviously it requires an experienced Linux user and it's not for everyone but it's not a bad distro just because /g/ memes about it.

>>62401470
CentOS has three Control Panels if you want to consider the one on the dock one. Linux is certainly no friend to user friendly design. Only a few distros have actually learned that it is PEOPLE using their machines (Ubuntu, Mint, and to a lesser extent, Debian).

>>62401472
>Not for everyone
That is the whole point why it will never be adopted by the public.
>no harder than arch
You are funny. I like you.

>>62400655
To be fair, distrowatch isn't a super accurate source of distro popularity because it's based on the hits to that distros page on distrowatch.

>>62400709
Windows didn't invent the concept of a gui. While mint does go for the windows xp look, the idea of having a gui to make things easier is hardly a windows exclusive idea.

>>62400754
XFCE has xfce4-screenshooter and I don't think that pulls in too many dependencies.

>>62400808
There are some driver specific Xorg configs that can reduce screen tearing if compton doesn't help you. Look up your graphics card brand on the arch wiki and look for a section on v-sync, compositing or screen tearing.

>>62401557
Oh, please. Mint Cinnamon is a straight rip of Windows 7 with the buttons in the same position and vertical mousover tabs. There is nothing stopping them from putting the default bar at the top or left, but they chose to mimic windows. No, windows did not invent the concept of a gui, but they popularized it and Mint copied its advancements. There is nothing wrong with that if it benefits the user, but pretending that the point was not to mimic Windows just shows how far oyur head is up your ass. Mint has been marketed as "babi's furst lincucks" for a reason.