/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

I have a headless server running Ubuntu and virtualbox with a couple of VMs.

The server has some shitty matrix g200 GPU. Is that why the VMs have sluggish UI? I've played around with the most of the settings butnits still like 3-4 FPS using rdp and Gbit Ethernet. Wat do?

Install GuixSD

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>>62305751
Install Gentoo

>>62305787
I'm installing gentoo right now.
I don't get this https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Stage_tarball
What exactly does stage 1 tarball contain?
>stage 2 tarballs are compiled from a stage 1 tarball
>Stage 3 tarballs are compiled from stage 2 tarballs
How is stage 3 compiled from stage 2, if stage 2 is already compiled?
Is there a better explanation of these "stages" somewhere?

>>62306107
Stage 1's are a base system for building the stage 3. Stage 3 is a more complete system that is easier to install and are recommended by Gentoo devs.

Richard Matthew Stallman is a communist and a zealot. His followers are brain dead morons, and anyone that uses Linux (yes, just Linux) is commie scum.

to: 62306317
weak bait, you'll get no (You)'s from me

reply to:62306317
ok sweetie

First for Void.

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Advanced users of GNU/Linux (and I mean advanced), remember to try Source Mage GNU/Linux. True source-based distribution, and (in contrast with Gentoo and Arch) is:
Free from obfuscated and pre-configured code.
Fully committed to GPL, uses only free software (as in freedom) in their main package.
With even the documentation licensed as FDL.
Without 3rd party patches, sensible defaults or masked packages.
Doesn't need obfuscated python libraries, only bash.
No systemd (they've implemented their own init scripts system http://sourcemage.org/Init).
Uses clean dependencies as they came from upstream developers, which by the same provides instant updates.
Can heal broken installs.
Can also use flags.

Do you like Arch Linux's AUR? Do you like Gentoo's portage (or ports-like) package manager? With SMGL's "sorcery" you get all that. Making new spells (package build files) not found in the grimoire (repository of spells) is easy http://sourcemage.org/Spell/Book

Bash hackers welcome! Come and join http://sourcemage.org/

Installing SMGL is easy, here's the simplified process:
>boot a live Ubuntu (or whatever) USB drive
>go to SMGL website and download compressed archive of the base system
>partition and mount partition(s)
>extract the archive onto the new partition(s)
>chroot, set root passwd, hostname, configure network and locale, write fstab, install grub/lilo
>reboot
>compile a kernel (preferably the newest stable one from kernel.org)
>update sorcery, grimoires and the build toolchain
>rebuild the system (hold spells you've already built, so you don't build them twice)
The install guide will hold your hand through the whole process http://sourcemage.org/Install/Chroot
Do the chroot method, since the regular live ISO method guide is out of date currently.

Here's a list of common commands: https://pastebin.com/i4DALaNV

>>62306467
>Advanced users of GNU/Linux
>(and I mean advanced)
what did she mean by this?

>>62306528
advanced

>>62305510
I want to use opendns on ALL connections on debian. Can I have it set up so that it uses it by default without me having to set it up manually?

>>62306559
also, I get the ugly ass debian wallpaper after grub. Does anyone know how to get rid of that as well? thanks

>>62306559
>>62306601
RTFM

Are there any good systemd-free Linux distros?

>>62306653
GuixSD

>>62306651
Point me to the manual that references these issues then mate, I tried reading it already.

>>62306653
Alpine non-GNU/Linux

>>62306653
Source Mage GNU/Linux

>>62306653
no

>>62306683
Linux*

>>62306653
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>62306653
ArchBang and Devuan are notable and not memes for the most part. Manjaro OpenRC as well.
>>62306667
>>62306672
>>62306683
>>62306687
quit your fucking memery.

>>62306653
>not joining the systemd masterrace
enjoy your long boot times and cripples init shell scripts

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>>62306698
>no rare stallman

>>62306698
It's time to face the facts. Richard Stallman is nothing more than a whining, overly obese autistic manbaby who has not done anything beneficial for the computing OR technology world in the past 20 years. Seriously. Name something that RMS has done after 1995 besides bitching, crying, and moaning about bullshit that does not matter, or making some retarded, incomprehensible speech.

He demands that Linux be called GNU/Linux. That is fucking insane. The only reason GNU, GPL, and FSF are still a THING is because of Linus and the invention of Linux. If anything, Stallman should rename GNU to Linux/GNU, because without Linus, the GNU, GPL, and FSF would not be a thing anymore.

Stallman still has the fucking gonads to act like he's superior to everyone else. Saying shit such as "I'm not glad he's dead, but I'm glad he's gone" right after Steve Jobs' death. What an asshole. Stallman has not even programmed a single line of code since 2008, that was AFTER he essentially stopped in 1992.

He should be fucking grateful Linus stepped in to save his ass, and even allowing him to take partial credit for his achievements. If it wasn't for Linus, he would be nothing, he would probably be dead in a Burger King dumpster right now.

Besides, what has he ever even done? He claims to have written eMacs, but in reality he actually cloned gosmacs (the first eMacs that was made for UNIX). He didn't even write 50% of the code in eMacs.

You might say he wrote GCC and GDB, but the truth is that he initally wrote the C compiler, but now the vast majority for the same compiler is done by contributors.

He's a washed up, morbidly obese man who tries to stay relevant by having these retarded arguments that are similar to those found in the Soviet Union. Face it GNU/Freetards, Richard Stallman is a fat dickhead, and the only reason his name is still in the books is because of Linus's achievements.

Jokes on you, I said Linux just for an excuse to post this.

>>62306699
>arch forks
>debian fork
quit your fucking breathing

>>62306722
This is a friendly thread. Please behave friendly.

>>62306719
It's time to face the facts. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>62306722
>quit your fucking breathing
ArchBang and Devuan are more than forks if you switch the entire fucking init system ya twat. You can also build Arch without systemd and openrc yourself.

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>>62306713

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stop

>>62306733
No, Richard, it's 'Linux', not 'GNU/Linux'. The most important contributions that the FSF made to Linux were the creation of the GPL and the GCC compiler. Those are fine and inspired products. GCC is a monumental achievement and has earned you, RMS, and the Free Software Foundation countless kudos and much appreciation.

Following are some reasons for you to mull over, including some already answered in your FAQ.

One guy, Linus Torvalds, used GCC to make his operating system (yes, Linux is an OS -- more on this later). He named it 'Linux' with a little help from his friends. Why doesn't he call it GNU/Linux? Because he wrote it, with more help from his friends, not you. You named your stuff, I named my stuff -- including the software I wrote using GCC -- and Linus named his stuff. The proper name is Linux because Linus Torvalds says so. Linus has spoken. Accept his authority. To do otherwise is to become a nag. You don't want to be known as a nag, do you?

(An operating system) != (a distribution). Linux is an operating system. By my definition, an operating system is that software which provides and limits access to hardware resources on a computer. That definition applies whereever you see Linux in use. However, Linux is usually distributed with a collection of utilities and applications to make it easily configurable as a desktop system, a server, a development box, or a graphics workstation, or whatever the user needs. In such a configuration, we have a Linux (based) distribution. Therein lies your strongest argument for the unwieldy title 'GNU/Linux' (when said bundled software is largely from the FSF). Go bug the distribution makers on that one. Take your beef to Red Hat, Mandrake, and Slackware. At least there you have an argument. Linux alone is an operating system that can be used in various applications without any GNU software whatsoever. Embedded applications come to mind as an obvious example.

>>62306733
>>62306838
Next, even if we limit the GNU/Linux title to the GNU-based Linux distributions, we run into another obvious problem. XFree86 may well be more important to a particular Linux installation than the sum of all the GNU contributions. More properly, shouldn't the distribution be called XFree86/Linux? Or, at a minimum, XFree86/GNU/Linux? Of course, it would be rather arbitrary to draw the line there when many other fine contributions go unlisted. Yes, I know you've heard this one before. Get used to it. You'll keep hearing it until you can cleanly counter it.

You seem to like the lines-of-code metric. There are many lines of GNU code in a typical Linux distribution. You seem to suggest that (more LOC) == (more important). However, I submit to you that raw LOC numbers do not directly correlate with importance. I would suggest that clock cycles spent on code is a better metric. For example, if my system spends 90% of its time executing XFree86 code, XFree86 is probably the single most important collection of code on my system. Even if I loaded ten times as many lines of useless bloatware on my system and I never excuted that bloatware, it certainly isn't more important code than XFree86. Obviously, this metric isn't perfect either, but LOC really, really sucks. Please refrain from using it ever again in supporting any argument.

Last, I'd like to point out that we Linux and GNU users shouldn't be fighting among ourselves over naming other people's software. But what the heck, I'm in a bad mood now. I think I'm feeling sufficiently obnoxious to make the point that GCC is so very famous and, yes, so very useful only because Linux was developed. In a show of proper respect and gratitude, shouldn't you and everyone refer to GCC as 'the Linux compiler'? Or at least, 'Linux GCC'? Seriously, where would your masterpiece be without Linux? Languishing with the HURD?

>>62306864
y so mad tho senpai. Linux will always be Linux. GNU will always be GNU. GNU/Linux is the combination of both.

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>>62306798
don't tell me what to do you stupid fucking faggot cunt
I'll seriously fuck you up, I suggest you start being afraid for your life as of this moment onwards

>>62306733
>>62306838
>>62306864
If there is a moral buried in this rant, maybe it is this:

Be grateful for your abilities and your incredible success and your considerable fame. Continue to use that success and fame for good, not evil. Also, be especially grateful for Linux' huge contribution to that success. You, RMS, the Free Software Foundation, and GNU software have reached their current high profiles largely on the back of Linux. You have changed the world. Now, go forth and don't be a nag.

>>62306838
>>62306864
jokes on you
i'm not really richard stallman

>>62306894
jokes on you
i'm not really linus torvalds

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>>62306798
made with ImageMagick

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>>62306798

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>>62306908

how to find local LUGs?
most in my city are either too away, or have shuttered.

>>62306997
make your own

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>>62306992

>>62306702
Y-yeah... t-those boot times! Now try Void Linux and wonder why systemDOS distros take twice as much time to boot up

wow what happened here

>>62307010
seems like too big a task for a nobody like me.
should keep my eyes open when the next big linux expo comes to town i guess then.

>>62307056
/fglt/: american edition

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>>62307053

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>>62307085

what is the best workstation distro?

>>62307112
gentoo

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>>62307112
Source Mage GNU/Linux

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>>62307112
Red Hat Enterprise Linux

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>>62307134
>military-grade security
>99.999% uptime
they're trolling, aight?

Arch is just a stepping stone.

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>>62307112
Ubuntu

>>62307165
What a bunch of flim flammers

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>>62307252
https://buy.ubuntu.com/

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>>62307244
to greatness?

>>62307273
to Gentoo

>>62307244
torvalds?

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>>62307273
>>62307288
To the plains of source magic.

>>62307112
solaris duh

To vim users, how many plugins do you have installed and which?

>>62307359
0

>>62307359
syntastic, easyalign, indentguides, multiplecursors

>>62307359
:q

>>62307374
>>62307394
Really? You mean you don't find any use of any plugin on https://vimawesome.com/?

>>62307387
I'm going to check out those. I already installed a bunch.

>>62307301
Basically Gentoo except I can't set global useflags and have to fully configure every single package I install because it's more "secure"

AMAZING TOP TIER DISTRO

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>>62307466
>AMAZING TOP TIER DISTRO
exactly

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>>62307480

systemd is bad for your central nervous system

Jesus fuck. I'd like to try getting back into using Linux for more than just curiosity, but this thread's done nothing but convince me to walk the fuck away.

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>>62307557

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>>62307570
y-you've caught us at a bad time

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>>62307575
UM EXCUSE ME
BUT THIS PIC IS NAMED "TYPICAL.JPG"
YOU BETTA CHANGE IT NOW

I use nano and gedit for all my editing.

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>>62307570

>>62307608
Me too <3

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>>62307570
>mfw my shitposting made someone not install linux

>>62307608
>>62307616
that's wrong

>>62307606
no

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>>62307570
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>62307647
I'm terribly sorry for interjecting another moment, but what I just told you is GNU/Linux is, in fact, just Linux, or as I've just now taken to calling it, Just Linux. Linux apparently does happen to be a whole operating system unto itself and comprises a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Most computer users who run the entire Linux operating system every day already realize it. Through a peculiar turn of events, I was misled into calling the system "GNU/Linux", and until now, I was unaware that it is basically the Linux system, developed by the Linux project.

There really isn't a GNU/Linux, and I really wasn't using it; it is an extraneous misrepresentation of the system that's being used. Linux is the operating system: the entire system made useful by its included corelibs, shell utilities, and other vital system components. The kernel is already an integral part of the Linux operating system, never confined useless by itself; it functions coherently within the context of the complete Linux operating system. Linux is never used in combination with GNU accessories: the whole system is basically Linux without any GNU added, or Just Linux. All the so-called "GNU/Linux" distributions are really distributions of Linux.

great thread

>>62307658
I'm terribly sorry for interjecting another moment, but what I just told you is Linux is, in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>62307708
I'm insanely sorry for interjecting another moment, but what I just told you is GNU/Linux is, in fact, just Linux, or as I've just now taken to calling it, Just Linux. Linux apparently does happen to be a whole operating system unto itself and comprises a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Most computer users who run the entire Linux operating system every day already realize it. Through a peculiar turn of events, I was misled into calling the system "GNU/Linux", and until now, I was unaware that it is basically the Linux system, developed by the Linux project.

There really isn't a GNU/Linux, and I really wasn't using it; it is an extraneous misrepresentation of the system that's being used. Linux is the operating system: the entire system made useful by its included corelibs, shell utilities, and other vital system components. The kernel is already an integral part of the Linux operating system, never confined useless by itself; it functions coherently within the context of the complete Linux operating system. Linux is never used in combination with GNU accessories: the whole system is basically Linux without any GNU added, or Just Linux. All the so-called "GNU/Linux" distributions are really distributions of Linux.

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>>62307722
I'm platinum sorry for interjecting another moment, but what I just told you is Linux is, in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>62307700
no

Someone just come up with a new neutral name for this shit already

>>62307738
I'm not sorry for interjecting another moment, but what I just told you is GNU/Linux is, in fact, just Linux, or as I've just now taken to calling it, Just Linux. Linux apparently does happen to be a whole operating system unto itself and comprises a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Most computer users who run the entire Linux operating system every day already realize it. Through a peculiar turn of events, I was misled into calling the system "GNU/Linux", and until now, I was unaware that it is basically the Linux system, developed by the Linux project.

There really isn't a GNU/Linux, and I really wasn't using it; it is an extraneous misrepresentation of the system that's being used. Linux is the operating system: the entire system made useful by its included corelibs, shell utilities, and other vital system components. The kernel is already an integral part of the Linux operating system, never confined useless by itself; it functions coherently within the context of the complete Linux operating system. Linux is never used in combination with GNU accessories: the whole system is basically Linux without any GNU added, or Just Linux. All the so-called "GNU/Linux" distributions are really distributions of Linux.

>>62307722
No.

>>62307748
There was, but the gnufags spent app day shitting the thread up arguing against each other.One guy made it his destiny to reply to every post with " you mean..."

>>62307774
>There was
What was it? and please don't say "Linux"

>>62307748
>>62307774
so that's what this shitflinging is for.

>>62307784
Linux

>>62307748
/f*nt/ - friendly *nix thread
that way, the bsdfags can join in

>>62307753
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use.
Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>62307803
>the bsdfags can join in
gross

>>62307748
How exactly is GNU/Linux not neutral?

>>62307809
I'm mad for interjecting another moment, but what I just told you is GNU/Linux is, in fact, just Linux, or as I've just now taken to calling it, Just Linux. Linux apparently does happen to be a whole operating system unto itself and comprises a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Most computer users who run the entire Linux operating system every day already realize it. Through a peculiar turn of events, I was misled into calling the system "GNU/Linux", and until now, I was unaware that it is basically the Linux system, developed by the Linux project.

There really isn't a GNU/Linux, and I really wasn't using it; it is an extraneous misrepresentation of the system that's being used. Linux is the operating system: the entire system made useful by its included corelibs, shell utilities, and other vital system components. The kernel is already an integral part of the Linux operating system, never confined useless by itself; it functions coherently within the context of the complete Linux operating system. Linux is never used in combination with GNU accessories: the whole system is basically Linux without any GNU added, or Just Linux. All the so-called "GNU/Linux" distributions are really distributions of Linux.

>>62307830
I'd can't believe I have to interject for another moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use.
Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>62307842
I'm trolling for interjecting another moment, but what I just told you is GNU/Linux is, in fact, just Linux, or as I've just now taken to calling it, Just Linux. Linux apparently does happen to be a whole operating system unto itself and comprises a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Most computer users who run the entire Linux operating system every day already realize it. Through a peculiar turn of events, I was misled into calling the system "GNU/Linux", and until now, I was unaware that it is basically the Linux system, developed by the Linux project.

There really isn't a GNU/Linux, and I really wasn't using it; it is an extraneous misrepresentation of the system that's being used. Linux is the operating system: the entire system made useful by its included corelibs, shell utilities, and other vital system components. The kernel is already an integral part of the Linux operating system, never confined useless by itself; it functions coherently within the context of the complete Linux operating system. Linux is never used in combination with GNU accessories: the whole system is basically Linux without any GNU added, or Just Linux. All the so-called "GNU/Linux" distributions are really distributions of Linux.

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>mfw reading this thread

>>62307862
Most operating system distributions based on Linux as kernel are basically modified versions of the GNU operating system. We began developing GNU in 1984, years before Linus Torvalds started to write his kernel. Our goal was to develop a complete free operating system. Of course, we did not develop all the parts ourselves—but we led the way. We developed most of the central components, forming the largest single contribution to the whole system. The basic vision was ours too.

In fairness, we ought to get at least equal mention.

>Windows/NT
>MacOS/XNU
>GNU/Linux
Why not call it just GNU?

Stop it with the interjections already

>>62307820
Well why not Gnux or something?

I still maintain that probably 50% of the battle is just because "GNU slash Linux" is a fucking mess to roll off the tongue every time you want to talk about it.

>>62307877
>>62306733
No, Richard, it's 'Linux', not 'GNU/Linux'. The most important contributions that the FSF made to Linux were the creation of the GPL and the GCC compiler. Those are fine and inspired products. GCC is a monumental achievement and has earned you, RMS, and the Free Software Foundation countless kudos and much appreciation.

Following are some reasons for you to mull over, including some already answered in your FAQ.

One guy, Linus Torvalds, used GCC to make his operating system (yes, Linux is an OS -- more on this later). He named it 'Linux' with a little help from his friends. Why doesn't he call it GNU/Linux? Because he wrote it, with more help from his friends, not you. You named your stuff, I named my stuff -- including the software I wrote using GCC -- and Linus named his stuff. The proper name is Linux because Linus Torvalds says so. Linus has spoken. Accept his authority. To do otherwise is to become a nag. You don't want to be known as a nag, do you?

(An operating system) != (a distribution). Linux is an operating system. By my definition, an operating system is that software which provides and limits access to hardware resources on a computer. That definition applies whereever you see Linux in use. However, Linux is usually distributed with a collection of utilities and applications to make it easily configurable as a desktop system, a server, a development box, or a graphics workstation, or whatever the user needs. In such a configuration, we have a Linux (based) distribution. Therein lies your strongest argument for the unwieldy title 'GNU/Linux' (when said bundled software is largely from the FSF). Go bug the distribution makers on that one. Take your beef to Red Hat, Mandrake, and Slackware. At least there you have an argument. Linux alone is an operating system that can be used in various applications without any GNU software whatsoever. Embedded applications come to mind as an obvious example.

>>62306699
Archbang hasn't been updated in 2 yrs

>>62307897
Calling the system “Linux” is a confusion that has spread faster than the corrective information.

The people who combined Linux with the GNU system were not aware that that's what their activity amounted to. They focused their attention on the piece that was Linux and did not realize that more of the combination was GNU. They started calling it “Linux” even though that name did not fit what they had. It took a few years for us to realize what a problem this was and ask people to correct the practice. By that time, the confusion had a big head start.

Most of the people who call the system “Linux” have never heard why that's not the right thing. They saw others using that name and assume it must be right. The name “Linux” also spreads a false picture of the system's origin, because people tend to suppose that the system's history was such as to fit that name. For instance, they often believe its development was started by Linus Torvalds in 1991. This false picture tends to reinforce the idea that the system should be called “Linux”.

Many of the questions in this file represent people's attempts to justify the name they are accustomed to using.

>>62307809
Do your arguments ever consist of anything more than CTRL+C, CTRL+V? Cuz this bullshit's why being a pleb isn't so bad.

>>62307907
It's time to face the facts. Richard Stallman is nothing more than a whining, overly obese autistic manbaby who has not done anything beneficial for the computing OR technology world in the past 20 years. Seriously. Name something that RMS has done after 1995 besides bitching, crying, and moaning about bullshit that does not matter, or making some retarded, incomprehensible speech.

He demands that Linux be called GNU/Linux. That is fucking insane. The only reason GNU, GPL, and FSF are still a THING is because of Linus and the invention of Linux. If anything, Stallman should rename GNU to Linux/GNU, because without Linus, the GNU, GPL, and FSF would not be a thing anymore.

Stallman still has the fucking gonads to act like he's superior to everyone else. Saying shit such as "I'm not glad he's dead, but I'm glad he's gone" right after Steve Jobs' death. What an asshole. Stallman has not even programmed a single line of code since 2008, that was AFTER he essentially stopped in 1992.

He should be fucking grateful Linus stepped in to save his ass, and even allowing him to take partial credit for his achievements. If it wasn't for Linus, he would be nothing, he would probably be dead in a Burger King dumpster right now.

Besides, what has he ever even done? He claims to have written eMacs, but in reality he actually cloned gosmacs (the first eMacs that was made for UNIX). He didn't even write 50% of the code in eMacs.

You might say he wrote GCC and GDB, but the truth is that he initally wrote the C compiler, but now the vast majority for the same compiler is done by contributors.

He's a washed up, morbidly obese man who tries to stay relevant by having these retarded arguments that are similar to those found in the Soviet Union. Face it GNU/Freetards, Richard Stallman is a fat dickhead, and the only reason his name is still in the books is because of Linus's achievements.

>>62307879
this

>>62307862
>>62307842
>>62307897
>>62307907
you need to get your facts straight, what you're refering to as "Linux" or "GNU/Linux" is just GNU, or as I've recently taken to calling it, just GNU.

>>62307910
no they consist of highlighting pertinent information for brainlet plebs they insist on not giving all developer's of GNU/Linux equal mention.

>>62307921
Install Alpine

>>62307820
You dont have to use gnu to use linux.
My system is gnu free,and clang built kernel.

>>62307936
I'll install GNU/kFreeBSD
fuck linux
*spits*

>>62307951
you don't have to use linux to use GNU also

>>62307974
Install FreeBSD
Fuck GNU

>>62307995
Install BeOS
Fuck FreeBSD

>>62308016
Install DOS
Fuck BeOS

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I want to operate like this with files that have spaces in their names:

for i in $(ls) ; do echo $i ; done

How do I make it work?

>>62308031
Install UNIX
Fuck DOS

>>62308057

for i in *; do echo "$i"; done

>>62308073
Install 386BSD
Fuck UNIX

>>62308057
Read the OP:
http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide

Here, you should just use globs; you definitely shouldn't use $(ls) in place of *. See >>62308089's example.

>>62308089
Thanks.
>>62308095
Yeah, I'll give that a read one of these days hopefully.

>>62308057
>$(ls)
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

This is literally worse than
1
2
34

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>>62308129
DELET

Dubs decides the new name for GNU+Linux/Linux

Brainlet here, trying to learn the WINEPREFIX meme. How does this work? When I do
>WINEPREFIX=something wine notepad.exe
What will happen? Will it create a directory? Do I need to create "something" myself? Someone enlighten me.

>>62308156
GNU/Linux

>>62308157
RTFM

>>62308157
"something" will be the new directory. Nothing else is required

What's the difference between Void and Alpine?

>>62308156
Loonix

>>62308173
Void uses runit, and is void of packages

>>62308156
GNU/Linux (often erroneously referred to as 'Linux')

>>62308190
Shame, this would have been good

>>62308156
GNU operating system with Linux added as its kernel.

>>62308156
Gnux

>>62308200
fuck

>>62308156
Linux-based GNU system.

>>62308057
Quote your variables

>>62308255
that doesn't matter when using echo and has nothing to do with the issue

>>62308156
Stallmanix

>>62308156
GNU

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>>62308277

>>62308277
checked. still better than GNU desu

>>62308263
It always matters, since not quoting variables in shell scripting is WRONG.

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>>62308277

>>62308289
if it were wrong, bash would give me an error

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>>62308277

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>>62308277
Official Stallmanix OS tan coming through

And this is why no one takes gnu seriously.

>>62308314
sore loser detected lol

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>>62308314

>>62308321
Spamming a thread with your nonsense?
Go make your own gnu thread and spam it with nonsense and circle jerk your selves
You'e easily wasted 50 posts in this thread

>23 posters
This is just getting sad.

>>62308347
Says 24 on my clock, faggot.

>>62308354
That was me, moron.

bad thread

>>62308423
bad post

>>62308432
good reply

>>62308432
bad reply

>>62308182
What about Alpine?

>>62308566
Alpine doesn't use runit and actually has some (keyword some) packages

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I'm having a hard time tracing this down. Trying to figure out why I can't get Discord running properly. It seems to be running, it's just that it shows nothing but this gray screen and never does anything else.

I installed it by downloading the official tarball and unpacking/installing in my Downloads folder. Maybe that's the issue?

OS: Gentoo
DE's tested on: Plasma, LXDE/Openbox

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>>62308629
Terminal output doesn't seem to have anything useful.

>>62308629
Use your package manager, you may be missing deps

>>62308629
>discord
botnet

>>62308646
4chan is a botnet
when you post with google captcha you are using a botnet

>>62308643
Yes, first I installed with portage, it's in the official repos but only installs the discord-bin package. Doesn't pull in any dependencies. Uninstalled it because it gave me the gray screen, tried to do it from the website, same issue.

There doesn't seem to be an official list of dependencies anywhere, on the site or the Gentoo wiki.

>>62308658
better 1 botnet than 2 botnet

>>62308629
>Discord
The heck is wrong with you.

>>62308705
need it for /biz/ discord

>>62308607
thanks anon, is it practical as a daily driver?

>>62308629
i thought installing gento makes people somehow clever, did i got meme'd?

>>62308713
Yes, but you may have to manually do some packages and their selection isnt the largest yet, but apk is a very easy package manager

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While those threads have devolved into degeneracy, maybe someone got a fix.

Basically, Wine font rendering is horrible on every program I tried so far, such as Steam or Notepad++.

Pic related.

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>>62308721
>>62308713
>alpine
>daily driver

>>62308747
I use it on my server,laptop and desktop

>>62308747
I have very modest requirements.

>>62308721
Cheers anon, I'll give it a spin this weekend.

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>>62308745
>Notepad++
>On Linux
Just use Sublime or something anon. Actually my personal favorite is Kate (pic related). Very lightweight, faster than VS Code and Atom, and comes with all the features you'd expect from a modern text editor.

Unfortunately, I don't have a fix for your problem. But maybe you can partly avoid the problem altogether by not using Notepad++. Plenty of decent alternatives.

>>62308787
Stallmanix*

>>62308793
We're taking about the kernel

>>62308787
>recommending inane nonfree software
Whats wrong with people nowadays? Just use Vim, jesus christ.

XPS 13 with a 512gb NVMe drive. How much space should I partition off for Arch? My first Linux install.

>>62308787
It is not just Notepad++, like I said, Steam is also affected by it. I just used Notepad++ was an example because it allowed me to type some text for the pic.

But thanks for the suggestion, I am using Geany but it isn't quite what I want yet.

>>62308629
You can emerge it directly in portage (I believe you may need to add the ~amd64 flag though). Tried it and can confirm it works

>>62308805
:q

>>62308805
Those old unix tools may have been funny back in the days, but today no sane developer would use crap like Vim or Emacs.

>>62308814
>notepad++
Use notepadqq
>steam
Did you install the core fonts?
Check archwiki steam page

>>62308805
Kate is free software.

>>62308820
not sure if bait or poo developer

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>>62308805
I do use vim from time to time. Like I said though, Kate has the features you'd expect from a modern text editor when you don't feel like dicking around in a terminal. It's nice to have choices, right?

Also, it is free

>>62308836
sublime isn't

>>62308845
>GPL
dropped

>>62308856
why

>>62308820
Are you insane? No other text editor is as lightweight, can also be used conveniently in your terminal, and has endless workflow customization. Not to mention the fact that a skilled user can practically will code into existence using the fucking force. There's a very good reason they're still around

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>>62308816
Yeah, I don't understand what the point of that is. Doesn't seem to be up to date. The resulting installed program just opens this window and makes me install the tarball from their site anyways, and after installing the update, launching the portage-installed program keeps making the update window pop up. And of course the tarball package still gives me the gray screen.

Is yours running fine, or did you just install it without testing?

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how do I rectify this retardation

>>62308922
Works perfectly fine in arch

>>62308941
Your distro must have better package maintainers, then.

>>62308947
But gentoo is the best os...or that what is shilled 24/7

>>62308955
It is, this is the only piece of software I don't understand how to get running. No list of dependencies on the wiki, no instructions, just, there it is in the repos and it doesn't work.

>>62308932
I should note, making changes in package.use/openssl doesn't (seem to) make a difference, and whenever I try and dispatch-conf it, it doesn't do anything either

>>62308963
And I think I have pinpointed the problem. Went ahead and added an unofficial portage overlay and installed the discord package from that unofficial overlay. It pulled in 3 dependencies, while the official package didn't pull in any. Haha

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>>62308835
Yeah, I did install core fonts, although I had to hunt for the packages since *tips* Fedora 26 lacks it on the repos, and RPMFusiond doesn't have it either.

>>62308856
This is just sad. Why are people like you posting in this thread?

>>62308922
Strange... I'm using it and it's been running just as it's supposed to on my Gentoo install for at least a few weeks. Maybe that's something that happened after they updated and I'm the one who's behind? Unfortunately, I'm in front of the wrong computer right now though and can't check

So I'm getting into making themes, and I was wondering, what's the best DE to make themes for?
I want to avoid gnome because it runs slow on my system, and gnome compatibility is a mess.
The DEs I'm looking at are XFCE, LXDE/Qt, or KDE.

Is there a tiling wm or tiling script that will let me drag windows around and it will fit the other windows around the one I'm dragging?

>>62309139
I think gtk are easier to theme, so mate or xfce.

>>62309205
Even within GTK, which version do I use?
GTK2 looks pretty simple and easy to use, but GTK3 uses CSS and not even all versions of GTK3 are compatible with each other.

>>62309160
Don't most TWMS do that already?

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Do you even edit text.

>>62309779
>Not writing /dev/random to newfile.txt and then using grep to find the find the strings you want

Is it just me or does Firefox 55.0.3 feel significantly faster? Especially on pages with a lot of javascript

>>62309889
Mozarella changed lots of shit. It's really faster than before. Check the web, bloggers are out of control.

which solution does alpine use for package signing?

How can i check temperatures in Linux??

Why is making a GTK-3 theme such a fucking monumental undertaking? Why are there thousands of different fucking things to style?
Why is it more complicated than just a handful of widgets like "button", "textbox", "checkbox", "scrollbar", etc.
Why does every new version seem to break themes made for previous versions?

>>62310302
check lm_sensors.
If your hardware doesn't provide tools for that.

>>62310302
>>62310302
# this selects the required modules
yes | sudo sensors-detect
# this shows the temps
sensors

>>62310331
Stop using gui applications already and enjoy the unified beauty of tui applications.

>>62310608
So I guess you made that post from lynx?

>>62310608
Pretty much this
>fuck fonts
>fuck widget looks
>fuck """themes"""
>fuck gay ass desktop icons
>fuck everything
>love the cli

>>62310331
install acyl, make a black/white theme which matches to everything, forget about themes

>>62310616
YES. PROBLEM?

>>62310642
But muh assthetics

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>>62310616
>lynx
w3m is where it's at.

idk, having a nice color scheme/theme can actually effect my mood.
I don't care any for having something that "looks cool" or whatever, but I like to make styles that remind me of things, like being at the beach or something. It just feels good, or some oldschool themes can also make me feel like programming even more than just staring at a CLI sometimes.

There's nothing wrong with a little GUI from time to time. I just wish we had a really simple GUI toolkit that didn't require a PhD to use or even just to create a theme for it, and didn't try to mimic all the gay features of other OSes like little fadeout animations and shit

>>62306653
Alpine/Gentoo now and GuixSD in the future.

>>62306736
Devuan Is deprecated already.

stop using alpine

>>62306736
>You can also build Arch without systemd and openrc yourself.
Yeah you can do this with every distro, not only Arch, but it's stupid as shit. That said, Archers are known to love fragile systems.

>>62310999
Why?

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>>62308277
checked

Finally have the ability to shitpost from Linux Looks like I'm getting the hang of things.
Now I'm just worried about how difficult it is going to be to get bluetooth headphones and other devices working.

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I'd just like to interject for a moment.

What you're referring to as KDE, is in fact, KDE Plasma, or as I've recently taken to calling it, Plasma shell. KDE is not a desktop environment unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning Plasma desktop made useful by the KDE Frameworks, Applications and Qt libraries comprising a full DE.

Many computer users run a version of the Plasma desktop every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of Plasma which is widely used today is often called KDE, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the Plasma desktop, developed by the KDE project.

There really is a KDE, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. KDE are the frameworks: the libraries in the system that provide UI and desktop functions to the other programs that you run. The framework is an essential part of a desktop environment, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete desktop environment. KDE Applications are normally used in combination with the Plasma desktop shell: the whole desktop environment is basically the Plasma shell that makes use of the KDE Frameworks. The so-called KDE desktop environment is really Plasma desktop shell.

Hey lads, I've already asked this in the stupid questions thread, but does anyone know if there's a way to slow down playback speed in CMUS?

I'm trying to transcribe some audio but I can't keep up with the pace of natural conversation.

>>62306653
Unironically - Gentoo, Slackware, Void, Devuan

>>62307162
The DoD is their biggest client, no joke.

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What does pic related mean? How do I allow access to my GPU? (this is output from lspci)

>>62311358
install sox

>>62311296
Who are you replying to?

>>62309254
Latest version of GTK3, this is more a pleading request than a suggestion. Too many ancient themes that got broken with like, GTK 3.18 or something, and nothing is ever going to fix them. Plus GTK3 is just better

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>>62307897
>>62307907
>>62307914
One of these days, /fglt/ is literally just going to be one single conversation thread consisting of dozens upon dozens of GNU/Linux v. Linux copypasta rebuttals, and none of us will have to post in these threads, because all the license shitposting jobs will have been occupied by bots arguing ad infinitum.

>this fucking thread
This is why nobody takes linuxshitters seriously

>Dunno, but FYI ubuntu net install does not support UEFI by default.
What did he mean by that?

>>62311358
use mpv with the speed flag

>>62311594
GNU/linuxshitters*

Hello /fglt/,

Can someone suggest me a good VPN to use in Linux(any flavor) ?

>>62311674
no

>>62308787
Why use what's "lightweight" when Atom allows *endless* customization?

linux

>>62311730
Java/Google/Linux

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>>62311730

>>62311730
stallmanix*

>>62311759
>>62311751
>>62311750
I was talking about the kernel.

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>>62311778

I have a shitty 2007 macbook that I mainly use to SSH into my server. I can SSH into the bare metal server fine but not the VM running on it.

If I type ssh -X [email protected] -p 10010 into a console it just werks but when I save that into a textfile to use as a shortcut on the desktop the terminal window just opens and closes immediately. The text file shortcut works fine for other SSH logins.

What do?

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>>62305510
guys help I try doing all those commands but they don't work

>>62311730
*Goonoo slash leenucks

>>62311984
add

 >/tmp/whytho.txt 2>&1

on the end of the command in the text file so you can read the output?
Actually just put read on the line after the ssh command so the terminal will remain open until you press enter.

>>62306653
void

>>62306653
crux

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>>62311798

>>62308932
>>62309007
please help my system's been broken for months now

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I don't trust those shills in the V*P*N threads, so I'll ask here and hopefully the shills won't notice.

My Vee Pee En annual subscription run out this month and I need a new one. Does "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" apply here?

I was pretty with the one I used, but I'd be willing to check out some new ones. Any suggestions? What Vi-Pi-N's do/would you use?

I have a swap partition.
I want to use my swap partition for suspend to disk.
I don't want to actually use it to swap shit. If I use it as a swap, there may be not enough space left on it when I want to suspend.
What's so hard to understand here, Linux?

>>62308932
rebuild wget with gnutls
force-uninstall openssl
try updating again

>>62313965
It's VPN wordfiltered or something?

>>62313992
The only thing hard to understand is how you expect your OS to know that you want to use it in a non-standard way without telling it so. Look into setting the swappiness, I think it's a sysconfig option.

>>62314038
he masks it so the V*P*N shills can't search for it and give bad advice.

>>62314038
So I just need to set swappiness to 0?

Another thing is: how do I tell the OS to always reserve some RAM for itself and important programs like xorg so that it doesn't fucking freeze when RAM runs out?
At least keep enough RAM to let me fire up xkill or switch to TTY, log in and pkill.

Why doesn't vim have buffer switching as a default key combo

Hi, will start CS class in 2 weeks, I need a distro which comes with the bare minimum like slackware but more noob-friendly. I love mwm and keeping things extremely simple. Any recommendations? I was thinking about RHEL but it seems pretty heavy and bloated. tl;dr, I want a distro which is as close as you can get from at&t unix but still comes with wifi drivers installed for my school laptop.

>>62312057
If you're on win10 just do yourself a favor and install the ubuntu system on win10

>>62314163
gentoo

>>62312057
simply epic

>>62314187
the problem is that I'm worried about the wifi drivers not working, I had an x41 with gentoo and couldn't install the wifi drivers. Calculate linux is gold tho but kt comes with way too much stuff preinstalled

Is there a BSD/Linux distro that's alive at least?

>>62314163
Slackware is perfectly usable. If you don't have the patience to even read the manual, maybe you should rethink your career choices.

>>62314205
The drivers apply to Linux itself, not the distribution. And Gentoo packages proprietary drivers, so this shouldn't be an issue. Read the manual.

>>62314215
Nope. Everyone stopped trying to make that work when they realized that the novelty of GNU/kFreeBSD was simply that.

>>62314245
>>62314288
>asks about BSD/Linux
>gets anwers about GNU/kFreeBSD

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Hey /g/. Haven't been on here in years but maybe someone can help (or direct me somewhere where someone can).

I'm trying to run through mono this software.

mono foo.exe

It's a black-box translation program, which opens a window asking for a directory. It then checks if there is some sort of data in the targeted directory. With the data I am using, I've confirmed this software works in a VM.

I want to get it to run in linux using mono.

I've tried putting in:
Z:\path\to\directory (wine-style)
and also
/path/to/directory
but neither of those work. It says the data is not there, but when I try with the same data in VM it works fine.

So I am thinking it is a problem with the directory syntax?

But when I compiled a mono program to check the directory, it returned the unix directory. (see pic)

Why then is there an error when I enter the directory using the unix directory syntax? Is it because the program was compiled under windows originally?

What directory syntax should I be using?

>>62309124
You may have just installed from the overlay, see here, it's working now>>62309016

For the record, the dependency I needed was libcxx. The official repo wouldn't pull it in, but the overlay would.

>>62311684
I just need a text editor, I don't want some bloated and slow chrome app just so I can "customize" it to look like an autistic spaceship or whatever. Fuck your dark themes nigger

>>62313965
VPN is a meme. Install Tor.

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Setting up a new system. Stuck at resolv.conf.
Which DNS servers would you recommend?

>>62314508
None, use VPN and connect to that by IP

>>62314350
Okay, so I compiled the directory app using windows visual studio in the virtual machine.

It gives out the directory where the exe is located (even if I run it from a different directory).

for example,

$ cd /home/newfag
$ mono /path/to/foo.exe
/path/to

Whereas I would have expect it to return

/home/newfag

Now I wonder if maybe there is some ambiguity about working directories in the way mono handles the code, maybe it doesn't chdir properly?

How difficult is it to change my username?

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>>62314329
GGGGGGNNNNNNNUUUUUU

>>62314562
Found a solution.

1. Install the wine-mono package
2. find out what it did

$ dpkg-query -L wine-mono4.5.4
...
/usr/share/wine/mono/wine-mono-4.5.4.msi

3. install the wine-mono package

$ wine msiexec /i /usr/share/wine/mono/wine-mono-4.5.4.msi

4. Run the app in with wine as per usual. Enter in the wine-address Z:\path\to\directory

wine foo.exe

Only problem is that now I can't see any characters when I type in the terminal, presumably because the software has a "Press any key to continue" at the end, and it hanged there so I had to C-c out of it. Well, that's fine I guess.

How to run a program x amount of times and get average execution time?

>>62315317

time for i in {0..x};do program;done

has anyone managed to install the proprietary nvidia drivers on debian 9?

I tried yesterday because nouveau doesn't work well with compton. Followed the guide on the debian.org wiki and got a warning that kernel headers couldn't be found. nothing worked and I had to reinstall nouveau via recovery mode.

>>62315445
Have you tried installing the kernel headers?

apt install linux-headers-amd64

>>62315472
I did apt-get

install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-driver

Just realized I should check the output of that uname command on my home machine. Thanks for the hint.

>>62315512
Also make sure you have dkms, although I think that's a dependency of nvidia-driver. Your error is probably just the kernel headers missing.

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>ok, lets do this, let's learn gimp
>random task, search the web
>get this http://plasmasturm.org/log/124/
wtf, I love free software!

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>>62315648

>>62315648
>lets do this
thats the point
people always complain
>photoshop is so much better!
>gimp can't even draw a circle!
but all you need to do is get used to it the same way you got used to photoshop

>>62315648
>Wednesday, 22 Sep 2004

New! New! New! >>62315800