There's nothing wrong with killing off the headphone jack.

>>62250003
>Better water proofing
Galaxy s7 had IP68 and a headphone jack, how clueless can you be

>>62250017
Yes but it's still not perfect. With one less port the water proofing would improve simply because there's is space for water to get into.

>>62250081
Water getting into the headphone jack isn't an issue because of IP68

Can tech illiterate cunts leave already

>>62250003
drink bleach retard

>>62250081
*Less space

>>62250116
>This is how jacklets defend their obsolete technology

>>62250141
t. usb-c nerd

>>62250003
You forgot the one downside.
>Loss of compatibility with almost a century's worth of headphones/audio devices.
Sure people may compare this to Jobs putting all his faith into USB, but it's not really comparable.

Tbh it's not the fact that I'll be losing the 3.5mm jack it's just having to have a converter if I want to charge and listen to music on a wired connection

>>62250141
>A digital to analog converter is outdated
May I ask you retard? Can we listen to music in a digital format?

>>62250003
>kill headphone jack
>force consumers to get more expensive yet not as good blutooth options by the same brand
>audio industry goes on without giving two fucks about it because people who actually care will buy actual good equipment and people who don't will buy shit anyway
>"b.but muh wuter proofing"

You should consider a sipp of bleach!

what about interference?

>needing a waterproof phone
What if you stop having retarded hands

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>>62250165
Most phone manufactures have included adapters for people who use headphones. Since phones are getting better battery life listening while charging isn't a big issue for me.

>>62250213
>Blue tooth headphones
>Expensive

You can buy a decent pair of Bluetooth headphones for $29, not to mention phones include adapters.

>>62250240
pic related

>>62250141
>obsolete technology
It's still better than Bluetooth, fucker.

>>62250003
ITT: Mac Fag Jerk Circle

>>62250263
>Bluetooth headphones for $29
So, it's either shit or no sound? Got it.

>>62250258
I live in a crowded City with a fuck ton of interference and I never had issues with it.

>>62250262
It's not just about accidents, it's about under water photography, being able to use your phone in the shower, etc.

>>62250288
jacklet damage control?

>>62250003
>innovating phones and accessories
The quickest way to innovate phones is to get rid of the trash known as capacitive touchscreens and bring back the vastly superiour Resistive touchscreens or replace it with something less shit.

>>62250399
You're going to have to try harder than that.

What kind of fucking autist listens to music on their fucking phones anyway?

Headphone jacks on phones were retarded to begin with.

Batteries in headphones? Fuck off

>>62250003
You know what OP

Opinions can differ.

If you think it's worth it, go ahead and spend your money on a Phone without a headphone jack.

I am not spending a single penny on a Phone that doesn't have a headphone jack until they actualy come up with a better standard instead of just removing functionality and replacing it with something inconvenient.

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>>62250430
This hard enough?

>>62250477
This.
Call me when there's a better standard. Until then I'll still be using my headphone jack.

>>62250499
wtf is wrong with you

>>62250003
>having to charge your headphones
>no compatibility with nearly all audio devices out there
>having to bear bluetooth's horrendous latencies
You can keep your inferior shit to yourself, I'll be enjoying my waterproof phone that also has a jack.

>>62250538
It's a subhuman

>>62250003
>Force audio industry to improve Bluetooth headphones
Why iToddlers still think apple pushes the industry in any meaningful way?
there are 4 generations of great headphones since mote than 10 years ago, sony xdr line I use since I got the psp go are one of the best headphones ever created

>>62250003
Until there are wireless headphones that are not garbage and that don't need charging I'll keep using wired. I'm already using a USB DAC, no biggie.

>>62250472
Majority of smartphone users do. Maybe you're the autist.

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backwards compatibility > these shitty memes

>muh wireless
Ever tried using them in a center of a big city? Stutters like a motherfucker. Never again.

>>62250783
>blah blah not living in a flyover state

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>>62250003
those bezels sure are smaller wow

>>62250003
What a shitty world to live in, even 1200€ smartphones are utter garbage with only gimmick and forced (((features))).
They can all fuck off, they won't get my money.

>>62250308
Says the Anon whose argument is that the audio industry will change over a phone with no jack.

>>62250871
>even 1200€
That's your mistake, the more expensive the phone the more gimmicky it is. Actual top tier is around $500, and it's getting progressively worse after that.

>>62250944
Yes but today 1200€ smartphone are tomorrow 500€ ones, we already lost a lot of real features for marketing and profits reasons.
I really don't know what to buy once my nexus 5 is dead, it wasn't the best phone ever but had a lot of things done right.

>>62250308
>It's another anon has no clue about component and technology cost and assumes that bluetooth can simply be made to the same standard and cost as a wired 3.5mm connection
Ah, yes. How many headphones have you designed, again?

>>62250003
While using a smartphone over several years you know how many times I needed water proofing. Zero. Just try not to throw your phone in the toilet and you will be fine kid.

>>62250003
>smaller bezel
Why would you want a phone thinner than 3.5mm? You'll have bend problems right there.
>Better water proofing
>>62250017
>Phone cases & aux cord compatibility
What the fuck you talkin' about? It's your fault for buying shitty cords and cases, not the plug itself.
>more battery
Because having 1 or 2 cms by 3.5mm will increase your battery for days.
>Force audio industry to improve bluetooth
Maybe it could be better for the audio industry to develop a thinner and shorter plug. Bluetooth should fucking die already. Cables do bluetooth's job way better.
>this is where it's healing
It would be healing if they made phones a bit wider with huge batteries, better processors, higher quality cameras (not more megapixels) and better glasses.
>innovating accessories
Fuck you, no. I want my phone to have as much functions as possible right out of the box. That's why I payed said money to buy it in the first place.

I'm a keyboard player and have tons of music gear that takes 1/4" ts and trs jacks, some take 3.5mm trs jacks for headphones, and a lot of stuff takes 3.5mmm trs jacks for "monitoring" inputs, so you can practice with an ipod or whatever.

Thats the only reason I still like having a headphone jack on my phone, because I have loads of comparable stuff. the jack itself isn't good though imho, you have to spend loads of $ on expensive cables if you want to reduce the noise as much as possible, which really becomes frustrating. It really becomes an EM interference nightmare if you're running long cables and high impedance. The fact that you're supposed to turn on all your gear first and your speakers last is indicative of the problem. there's a lot of pixies flying downstream that aren't coming from your source. and even then you're still dealing with the often shoddy construction of the jack and its connection to the board. they're problems that are just waiting to be solved by a digital system but so far nobody has done it well enough to work in real time with low enough latency to work for musical instruments.

>>62251212
You could probably replace some of that with optics. It's been around for a while.

>>62251198
this! fuck you all with your thinner phones and bezels! I want a thick phone with a huge battery, enough power for 2 days SOT

>>62250188
>you can't have a DAC without a 3.5mm headphone jack
and he's the retarded one right?

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>not wanting THICC phones

>>62250809
And it didn't even save any fucking space, they just put a goddamn dummy speaker in its place. Fucking "Courage" my ass. They were just trying to push their shitty AirPods. Man I wish Jobs didn't kill himself, because I doubt they'd be pulling that shit.

>>62250308
>Bro you damage control ergmagod
>So get a fucking $29 chinky dollar tree quality beats quality headraper that crushes your skin to oblivion.
>But there is a adapter ergamgododod I DONT CARE ABOUT QUALITY DACS
>The batteries last longer like 8 hours gooood, WAIT I CAN PLAY LIKE 100 HOURS OF MUSIC WITH A 3.5MM JACK ON A GALAXY S8 I DONT FUCKING CARE ABOUT IT
Let this idiot enjoy his 64kbps 6x ripped mp3 over a compressed bluetooth connection to his shitty $29 headphones with a shitty decoder (muhh latency) and a shitty dac all to power a pair of crappy 30mm drivers that last no more than 8 hours.
FUCKING GENIUS AMIRIGHT?

Why would you put water beside your phone

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>>62251508
Here is a phone with 2 days of battery life and almost no bezels and is really thin but has a headphone jack.
I own this phone and with my load (gaming music youtube netflix snapchat video and photo editing and more cpu intensive tasks) it lasts about a 1.5 day, mostly almost half battery at the end of the day
Energy saver could get you about 1 week

I don't understand removing the jack to be honest. It's not a bad standard especially compared to going wireless. I have an iSE and I don't see any reason to have anything thinner.

>>62252919
Wash off the semen on the screen, ohh yeah ahahaha you would never have this problem cuz you all unhealthy unripe motherfuckers with a micropenis.

>>62252933
enjoy your broken screen and touchjizz

>>62252933
That's because it's brand new. Give it 6 months and you'll be charging twice a day.

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>>62251553
Yeah you can, and it looks like this abomination

>>62250003
>like it or not
Paying customers like me decide where this industry is going. And I decide I would "like it" to buy a phone with a headphone jack.

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>>62250003
Just because your overlord has commanded you to think headphone jacks as obsolete doesn't mean they actually are. There's also easily room for bigger batteries if you just make them like 1mm thicker in total. Waterproof phones have also had 3.5mm port without it ever becoming an issue. You're trying to fix a problem which doesn't exist. I wonder who is behind this post?

>>62250003
I bet you're circumcised.

>More room for a bigger battery

You know what would make more room? NOT MAKING PHONES SO FUCKING THIN IN THE FIRST PLACE

I HOPE THE LAST THING YOU SEE BEFORE YOU DIE ARE COYOTES EATING YOUR FUCKING EYELIDS

fuck blueshit and fuck you op.

>>62250003
Some shitty points but overall this is correct. Headphone jack should've died long ago.

Now the issue is that, battery life for wireless headphones is still shit, their laptops still use headphone jack and the whole idiocy of not being able to connect their new phone with their new laptop. I doubt it was even a greedy decision attempting to sell adapters, they're just out of fucks to give for little details that made their products so good.

>>62252790

>Using a phone to listen to music


Kill yourself asap

>>62253247
if i didnt have a PMP then this would just be another small but very significant and probably expensive thing for me to lose

>>62254472
>there are people who unironically lose stuff

>>62250003
go ahead a remove the mic and speakers so the industry can improve bluetooth headsets. make it even more waterproof. while you're at it, remove the screen and now the industry can improve bluetooth projectors too. Now you've got the smallest bezel and it's completely waterproof.

>>62250003
None of those things will happen. Apple et al. will jew a bit more shekels from you though while lowering the costs of manufacturing for themselves.

>>62250171
TBQH i've been using a lighting to digital line in adapter to connect my iphone to my digital amp for years now already. 3.5mm jack means nothing to me, and it should be the same for anyone who really cares about audio quality

>>62255214
t. phoneposter

>>62252933
It's also waterproof - a killer app for me, dropped my Nexus 5 into water and it was insta dead.

Dropped my S8 yesterday into a bowl of salad sauce, still works fine, just smells a bit.

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>>62250141
>jacklets

>>62251017
I still have the nexus 4. I'm looking at the v30 desu

>>62250003
>Smaller bezels
Bullshit S8 and Note 8 are proof of this
> Waterproofing
doesn't matter unless they remove the charging port too
> Battery
that would be relevant if the phone they removed the jack actually had bigger batteries
> Better Bluetooth
Probably never gonna happened, we will just have to use usb-c headphones and adapters if we want to charge at the same time

They just want to cut costs and sell usb-c headphones you wouldn't need otherwise and adapters

you are just sheep for falling into all that bullshit propaganda

>>62250472
>not experiencing kino musical experience on a Viper4android enhanced device

what are you doing with your life anon

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>>62253247

see this fucking dongle... this is what shits me... you try cycling in jeans with that thing.... it doesnt last a fucking month.. and you definately aint soldering a new lightning plug like i have done with trs a million times... you will be going to apple store and spending thoose sheckels

sold my 7 and went back to my 6.... applel goddamn goofed. prob my last iphone desu and i have owned all of them since 1g

>>62250399
Can you have glass resistive screens?
I love me some classic stylus action but those old plastic screens got scratched up way too easily

The stress a dongle creates in your pocket is just asking to fuck up your charger port.

At least 3.5mm you can have a right-angle jack so there is suspension/low stress freedom of movement for the wire, but dongles are straight back to reefing on your usb-c port until it becomes loose.

All of it is stupid.

>>62255880
It wouldn't matter what Apple did; you'd spend countless hours carelfully crafting some obscure edge-case where it was a problem.
Then you'd make the spurious claim to have ever owned any Apple product, just for credibility.

why do people need water proofing? am i the only one who has never dropped a phone into water?

>>62255314

>dropped 2 phones

are you retarded

learn to hold your shit

>>62257280
/g/ needs to go to /fit/ and get some grip-training essentials
not even joking

I see absolutely no benefit only a da would

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>>62257052

fuck off you little contrarian shit.

i have owned every apple iphone because they were great and i was in the jailbreak community.

i also give two shits about sound quality listen to flac and like my wires... the precise moment where apple permanently lost me as a customer was the headphone jack removal. Its use hostile blah blah but the exact reason i am so fucking pissed is that there are already standardized lossless wireless codecs like APT-X out there that apple chose not to use because of patents / politics.....

its not just the headphone jack removal... its how they did that and then forced everyone to use shitty decade old bluetooth lossy A2DP that tops out @ 128kbps

ITS no headphone jack + no apt-x !

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>62250297
Just laminate some pornographic magazines from your local sex shop you degenerate.

>>62250003
>my ipod, my zune, my sansa clip+, all 5 of the smartphones I've owned, my fiio amplifier

Every single one of them, the headphone jack shits out within months. If I never have to jiggle another cord for the rest of my life I'll be happy. Bluetooth is the future, 3.5mm can fucking die.

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>muh dongles
Hehe if tim cook said it's bad it must be true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
fuck superoir sound quality from a wired connection in exchange for le wireless masterrace'
bluetooth for life amirite 200.00% with me guys eh?

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>>62250003
The rule of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" applies here.

>>62257573

>zune failed
>clip failed

hey dont complain to /g/ if you buy shit and are just a massive klutz

im am >>62257388 and have never had a single problem with any (pic related) from daily use... they fixed 3.5mm jacks by making them and the frames metal years ago...

>>62257388
>tops out @ 128kbps
i dont believe you since BT tech has come a long way but this is true, I guess i should reencode all my songs to a lower bitrate to save some space eh

>>62251191
this
lel

>>62257616
I don't see how sound quality is relevant nor wireless. You can still play music with a converter but if we take a look at USB type-c as a replacement instead then you're looking at USB audio which is the future

>>62250003
>>>/cm/

>Smaller bezel
Phones are thin enough. If we make them thinner, they might be uncomfortable to hold.

>Better water proofing
Stop taking your phone into the bathtub or swimming pool with you, idiot.

>less autism to deal with phone cases & aux cord compatibility
Having dropped a phone from shoulder height onto cement with no case, only to end up with basically no damage, I honestly can't see a need for cases.

>More room for a bigger battery
More room that will not be used for a bigger battery.

>Force audio industry to improve Bluetooth headphones
Which are objectively worse.

>>62250003
Latency is unbearable with Bluetooth

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>>62250499
>whips out man-meat

Show moarrr!!!

>>62250003
>>Smaller bezel
only normalfags care about this
>>Better water proofing
I see you never had the motorola defy
>>less autism to deal with phone cases & aux cord compatibility
OH NOH SO COMPLICATED A 3.5MM HOLE HOW CAN THIS EVER BE SOLVED
>>More room for a bigger battery
the same can be said for removing literally anything but the battery. He why don't we remove the screen too! that's a lot of room for the battery! what? it will make the phone less functional? EXACTLY
>>Force audio industry to improve Bluetooth headphones
yeah I'm sure companies are in terror right now

>>62250003
It's more about killing off the jack so streaming music is harder to pirate.

Analog hole forever.

>>62253247
Apple can't into strain relief.

>>62250003
>Smaller bezel
Nope.
>Better water proofing
Nah.
>More room for a bigger battery
Doesn't work that way.
>Force audio industry to improve Bluetooth headphones
You need wireless electricity for that, codecs are already alright.

Sorry kid, I'm afraid you just got Apple'd.

>>62250003
I had a Nexus 4 for the longest time, one day, a rock fell into the headphone jack, I tried getting ot out but it only got lodged in deeper. I'm a poorfag so I had the 8 GB version with only 5 GB of usable storage, so I couldn't store any music on the device, I also didn't have a data plan because it costed a 20 cents per megabyte. Basically because of that ordeal, I'm used to living without a headphone jack, I have a OnePlus 5 now and I barely notice that the jack is there.

>>62250003
The iPhone 7 literally disproves all of these points

>>Smaller bezel
Biggest bezels in the industry
>>Better water proofing
Reported water proofing problems
>>less autism to deal with phone cases & aux cord compatibility
Not an issue
>>More room for a bigger battery
Smallest batteries in the industry. Active time sucks ass compared to everything else.
>>Force audio industry to improve Bluetooth headphones
Beats by dr.nigger. Enough said.

>>62250003
>There's nothing wrong with killing off the headphone jack.
Sure there is, Apple getting up and saying that they can remove an industry standard and not receive any backlash for it is like them basically them proving they can fuck over their consumer base and influence technologies in ways that aren't just positive.

>Apple: everyone loves and needs what we make, let's remove the jack because we're technology and people will buy it anyway because they're stupid.
>everyone proceeds to buy stupid fucking phone

>>62260819

Pretty much this. The headphone jack is fine. Apple just likes doing retarded shit to sell dongles.

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>>62250499

>>62250003
The reason it is a bad thing the world is full of poor people.
You know poor people go for the ghetto option and now that ghetto option is to listen to music through the speakers.
We need to remove the speakers first.

There is no reason bluetooth and a jack cable cannot exist on the same phone.

>>62262370
>Biggest bezels in the industry
that seems like an unnecessarily hyperbolic claim that wouldn't hold water if you actually tested it.

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>>62250141
>literally used everywhere
>obsolete technology

>>62250003
Do you just not know how phones work or are you baiting

>there's nothing wrong with killing off a port which still works just fine and is compatible with hardware literally everyone owns

>>62264002
Shut up! A handful of dongles is the future! Stop oppressing the progress!

>>62250003
I don't know if you're aware, but the radio wavelength ranges are a very scarce resource, at a point people most likely died for em.

And bluetooth is eating more out of this space for nothing even remotely useful or stable.

>>62250003
I say we remove screens too. Display should be conveyed via touch vibrations. Once you get used to it you will recognize gui elements nanoseconds faster than vision and you will save brain power as the visual cortex takes up a large portion of the brain. Avoid eye strain and potential lawsuits from kids going blind too

How long will it take until the industry kills off micro sd card slot now that we have 400gb micro sds?

>>62255214

Nice bait. If you actually cared about audio quality, you wouldn't even listen to music on your phone.

>>62264092

bout 5 years ago

its so fucking sad

>>62264270

you must have a shit phone... i spent heaps of money on dacs over the past decade and the cirrus logic chipset in my iphone 6s doing 24/48 destroys all of them

before you start bitching i am EE guy and let me tell you the black magic that is dacs, opamps, dc-dc converters , niose shaping dithering algos and jitter reduction have made big strides in the past 3 or 4 years... and guess what they put it in the thechnology everybody owns.... duh

>>62250003
I unironically agree with all of this.

If people actually need more quality than bluetooth they can get a lightning DAC/AMP.

>>62264067
>Not wanting to join the wireless future

>>62264079
What would you propose we do with radio waves that reliably transmit information 30 feet away?

>>62250003
There is nothing wrong with killing the screen. The benefits are worth it

>no need to worry about the bezel
>better fall-proofing
>let autism to deal with phone cases
>more room for bugger battery
>force psychic industry to improve projection of thing directly to your brain

This is where the mobile industry is healing like it or not, and it's the next step of innovating phones and accessories.

>>62264452
See those spelling errors?
I would've never done them if i could project my thoughts directly to the phone.
Damn those screens

>>62264310
You are probably the crappiest EE in the history, then.
Oppo vivo and even meizu have better dacs than iphones.
Even the thousand year old note 4 has better dacs than all of the iphone.
Check your facts, then post

>>62250003
>if humans can do it why do we need animals?
>if animals can do it why do we need machines
>if copper can do it why do we need electromagnetic waves
>???

>>62250003
> >Force audio industry to improve Bluetooth headphones
> Force customers to shell out some more bux for relatively good BT headphones

>>62250499
Guitar player detected.

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>>62264310
It's a great thing you enjoy the Cirrus Logic chipset, cause that's no more with the iPhone 7 and forward.The cheap adapter cable that comes with the phone acts as a DAC and is noticeably worse than the regular 3.5mm. Even the official specs point to such.

>>62264757
> The cheap adapter cable that comes with the phone acts as a DAC
Wait a second, I thought Lightning can pass analog signals.

>>62255880
>you try cycling in jeans with that thing.... it doesnt last a fucking month
If you buy shit without strain relief it will fail in no time. Also, a 90° or, better, a 45° plug with strain relief will make your headphones cable immortal, even if you keep using it while holding the phone in your trousers front pocket.

>>62264776
Clearly you thought wrong.

>>62264776
Lightning cables are basically USB cables with a different jack.
And well, USBs are entirely digital.
The DAC and amping happens externally on whatever adapter or chipset the digital signal gets transferred to.

>>62250017
Hes a delusional macfag.. he thinks the headphone jack is why batteries suck.

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They should replace it with a 3.5mm jack. I'm tired of dumb pluglets and bluecucks.

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>be on campus (or any general public area)
>only have Bluetooth headphones
>try to connect them
>literally every device but mines is showing up on the list
>wait 10 min, nothing
>end up just using regular wire headphones

>>62257388
Apt-X isn't lossless.