Is there such thing as "unethical programming"?

>>62206025
I think that would be regarded as 'black hat'
the idea of putting something together that is willfully malicious and generally undetectable by less skilled users to intentionally cause harm to that user is unethical

Most of the unethical programmers today are working for big name companies or governments.

I'd say black hats and skiddies are the bottom rung of unethical programmers. It's the ones with the weight of faceless bureaucracy behind them that are the most dangerous and immoral.

I'd be willing to bet the only reason most of them even do what they do is because it pays well and if they didn't get paid well, someone else would get paid well, so if there's going to be an unethical/immoral programmer out there, it might as well be them.

>>62206025
anything not released as free software

>>62206025
You could possibly write a program to achive an immoral goal, thus making your programming unethical.
But this is probably just a new SJW codeword, ain't it?

>>62206025
yea, neuro-linguistic programming is very unethical

>>62206077
free as in free beer or free as in freedom?

>>62206025
>Is there such thing as "unethical programming"?

Yes... Using tabs instead of spaces.

>>62206095
`free software' will never refer to the concept of gratis
unless of course it's being used divisively or to intentionally mislead

>>62206025
anything programmed by a white male

>>62206025
yeah, it's called making proprietary software

>>62206025
>programming for a megacorp
>programming for profit
>using any license other than GPLv3
>re-writing GPL'd code to slap a restrictive license on it
>programming advanced cyberweapons
>intentionally obfuscating code (this includes js minification/transpilation)
>any real-world application of machine learning
come to think of it anything other than hello world is pretty dang harmful imo

>>62206025

Name?

Copy paste stackoverflow codes.

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>>62206076
>>62206194
Fuck off you commies.
People are allowed to profit off of their work, it doesn't all need to go into your "socialist" slushfund, you pieces of shit.
Please come and take a ride in my helicopter.

>>62206194
>any real-world application of machine learning
I haven't heard that before, why is that ?

>>62206545
The right wing populism arrived.

>>62206780
Libertarian, actually.

>>62206780
they stray from their threads now and then.

>>62206820
>Is actually 4chan majority.
>Strays.
I think you commies must've confused this place with /lefty/pol.
Go back, Cripplechan awaits.

>>62206844
i will not take orders from a majority that started post-GG

>>62206871
Commie wasn't majority pre-GG, you lying newfag.

>>62206878
never said it was.
anarchism was what i assumed the site was, until it wasn't anymore

>>62206914
Anarchism isn't partisan, nor is it innately anti-capitalist.
Capitalism and cronyism aren't the same thing.

>>62206923
alright, don't want to violate the NAP so i'll stop replying to you after this post.

>>62206959
Thank you for respecting it.

>>62206025
modern ethics is a marxist scam.

go back to classical ethics

nah. exploit the fuck

something something illegal combinations of ones and zeroes

>>62207104
>certain permutations of numbers are illegal
WHAT THE FUCK

>>62207104
something something illegal to transfer certain amounts of energy from one point to another (shooting a gun, punching someone)

but all i'm saying is that marxists bubble wrap theory is crap, classical ethics (don't be lazy, be accountable for your actions, be self-reliant, not a mooch) are superior.

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>>62207139

>make reference to a stupid meme
>suddenly some nerd is sperging out on me about "marxists" and "classical ethics"

>>62206545
You'd think right wing reactionaries would stop saying this shit considering how they've been treated by google. Even their e-celebs have started to question the idea of the justness of corporate monopolies.

>>62207254
Cronyism isn't capitalism.
Don't conflate the two.
Try again, commie.

>>62206025
Programing non-free software

>>62206545
Copyright hinders the free market. Coca Cola has a monopoly on making Coca Cola becasue of copyright. its just another way the goverment hinder competition and keeps prices high.

I put personalized syntax macros in the codebase.
Is that unethical enough?

>>62207371
So that wasn't TRUE capitalism? Has TRUE capitalism ever even happened?

>>62206923
Anarchism from a historical standpoint has always been left wing. The first anarchist was a mutualist and basically every other anarchist after was too. Anarchism means the abolition of all hiearchy and capitalism is a hiearchy.

I think it's more amoral programming

>>62206025
>unethical programming
I think anything the endangers the physical safety of people or property counts. Could be anything from control code in planes and cars, to medical equipment, to industrial hardware, etc....

It's it unethical for someone to die because you couldn't bother to handle integer overflow or a corner cases.

>>62207690
I agree.
There should be no intellectual property.

>>62207711
No, it isn't laissez-faire capitalism, or minarchist capitalism, by definition.
Whereas, your Marxism/socialism/communism has been achieved and then degraded into state capitalist dictatorship by the virtue of humanity.
You need less government, not more.

>>62207725
Neo-liberalism, isn't classical liberalism, classical liberalism is more in line with libertarianism.
So you're right, but it isn't applicable to the modern left, who are more along the lines of social fascists.
Once again, don't conflate the two.

>>62207755
>No, it isn't laissez-faire capitalism, or minarchist capitalism, by definition.
Whereas, your Marxism/socialism/communism has been achieved and then degraded into state capitalist dictatorship by the virtue of humanity.

What is the difference between you saying something like that and me saying "the soviet union wasn't socialist because it wasn't world wide/had commodity production for exchange and marx said socialism has to be world wide/not have commodity production for exchange"

>>62206698

Because it is essentially his first point.
The current state for AI/NN is to exploit people further to make money for corporations.
I don't see any good coming of it, at all.
Sure I mean it's nice and dandy having a device present which knows about you and can make smart suggestions, the advertisement/marketing companies panties are soaking wet right now just imagining all the sweet private data they are going to siphon off.

>>62207796
That's what I'm saying, it became state capitalism, because communism is impossible to maintain.
Certainly when you have a heavily armed state.
You need less government, not more.

>>62207821
Then maybe capitalism is impossible to maintain because you need more state power to protect private property and serve the intrests of the rich and can't substain minarchist or libertarian society?

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>>62207859
>Conflating cronyism/corporatism with laissez-faire capitalism.
Buddy, I'm an Austrian capitalist, not a Keynesian capitalist, you might not be used to arguing with my sort.
I'm a libertarian, not a conservative.

>>62207886
I saying Austrian capitalism always turns into corpratism because a state is required to protect private property. If your argument is valid couldn't I say "I'm a communist not a state capitalist."

>>62207911
No it isn't.
First of all, you have too options:
>Austrian lite: minarchism, in which the government would provide just the basal services a government should provide.
>Austrian heavy: anarcho-capitalism, private security, a choice in who polices.
Not forgetting, the right to defend your own property.

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>>62206025
Programming a crypto that's strong enough to disable governments from tracking terrorists.

>>62207934
>*too options = two options

>>62207939
haha, nice try British MP

>>62207934
When you have a goverment it grows. Your idea of capitalism has never happened for a long period of time. Anarcho-capitalism is impossible. Private security would just form a new monopoly and become a state.

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>>62207934
Austrian "economists" are just fascists who dislike states when they aren't killing people they don't like. Many collaborated with the nazis or were sympathizers during World war 2. It's a meme ideology.

>>62207962
No it wouldn't.
Because there is no state ideally, you can choose who to hire.
You vote with your wallet.
There is only a false sense of this now, due to state backed cronyist corporatism.

>>62207965
>fascists
>who dislike states
Totally disregarded.

>>62206194
>intentionally obfuscating code
worked out well for Windows, losing the corporative market hard

>>62207995
>hey we are a new private security company on the market!
>great! can you provide better service than my current private security company that has been around for a long time?
>Well no but once we get customers we will expand our company and be almost as good.
>sorry but this is my personal safety at risk here so I'm not going to switch companys when my old one is so reliable

Monopoly

>>62208033
>A localized market dominance is now a monopoly, abracadabra!
I guess this is why you're advised not to speak about economics with communists?

>>62208053
If they have a monopoly in one area they are essentially a small state.

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>>62208075
If the communist party controls all of the resources and production they are essentially a megacorporation with total market monopoly.

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>>62208095
Stalin is an underappreciated ancap thinker honestly.

>>62208095
except they are theoretically accountable to the people through democracy. Also we weren't talking about that. Ancapistan would just be a patchwork of monopolistic private security firms.

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>>62208116
More like:
Stalin is an underappreciated state capitalist thinker honestly.

>>62208137
>theoretically
Look how theoretically well that theoretically went for Russia, Cambodia; North Korea, Maoist China, et al.

>>62208214
You haven't addressed my argument about ancapistan still having local monopolys with private security firms.

>>62208255
There's nothing wrong with it, per se.
If they started attempting to act in an authoritarian manner you and your community would stop funding them.
If they became violent, you could simply hire another large private security country from another area to replace/suppress them, as it would be a violation of the NAP.

>>62208300
>*security country = security company

>>62206243
Mackenzie Davis, Cameron Howe (the /g/ character she plays)

>>62206025
closed source drivers

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>>62206808
B-but Rothbard told me proprietary software was good for muh free market.

>>62208556
There should be no intellectual property.

>>62208578
Oy vey, how will the government enforce proper monetary compensation for content creators then?
If there was no intellectual property, twerking music videos would be mercilessly pirated and we couldn't punish the thieves!

>>62208578
Without IP laws companies would resort to all sorts of inefficient methods in order to protect their code. Can you imagine having to learn a new proprietary language every time you get a new job? Or having to work on code that you are not allowed to review except in little snippets so you can't copy it? So much time and money would be wasted.

>>62208751
Noli timere!
And then they would go out of business, as more efficient companies would focus on utility.
Quid pro quo.

>>62207965
Modelling economies based on past behaviour lead to the EU crisis because everyone thought that Austerity worked (since it appeared to work in the past). Of course it never worked, and better modelling would've predicted it couldn't work. Several trillions of euros were spent bailing out banks, while governments cut in accordance with Austerity. You should try to reproduce past behaviour with new models, but basing models on past behaviour is quite dangerous.

>>62206545
If he was a communist the government would pretend to pay him and he would pretend to work.

He was just saying that the government is evil and over person swimming shabbat the tide won't stop it.

I think one person can make a difference though. If you can make an impact and fight it you can change minds.

>>62208930
Agreed, the government is morally wrong.

>>62206025
Use cage reared codes

>>62206194
>this includes js minification/transpilation
Full retard.

>>62206025
Proprietary software

>>62207097

careful getting caught

>>62206025
Yes. It's called proprietary software.

>>62207755
>Whereas, your Marxism/communism has been achieved
That has never happened. Not even fucking Marx thought communism was achievable anytime soon and in countries that people attempted to implement it in.

It's hilarious how all the countries that tried communism are now like "no we don't want to do that anymore, it was stupid" but all the countries that didn't try it are like "yeah we want to try it"

>>62209193
That's my point, you get to the tipping point and then you end up with state capitalism.
It is impossible to maintain.
I wish people would read the whole thread, so I don't have to keep reiterating.

>>62206025
- Writing non-free software
- Writing tracking software
- Writing software with dark patterns
- Writing software with police/military/intelligence applications

>>62206025

Working for FaceGoogApplAmazSoft qualifies in my book.

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>>62209122

opened this thread just to see if I could find this retort

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>>62209193
So wait a minute, holup.

So you be sayin

that

North Korea
China
Russia
Kazakhstan
East Germany
Lithuania
Latvia
Venesuela
Cambodia
Poland
Angola
Ethiopaia
Somolia
Afghanistan
Yemen
Vietnam
Yugoslavia
The present day Czech Republic
The present day Slovakia
Azerbaijan
Estonia
Georgia
Moldova
Tajikstan
Turkmenistan
Ukraine
Uzbekistan
Mozanbique
AND Mongolia...

... all never came even close to "real" goyimunism?

Really? They ALL fucked up that badly? Well gosh, i guess if it has to be so perfect to work, then it's totally worth all the sacrifice, isn't it? Every single person just has to become a drone, with no identity, or aspirations for this system to work. But how can a system that's designed to govern these nameless faceless beings govern people?

>>62209268
oh i forgot to add

India
Pakistan and a maybe a few more

>>62209289
you're missing bitcoin

There is, but companies also hire them to help fill up holes in their security that they hadn't seen

Just like in Catch Me If You Can but with more computers and WAY less personality

>>62206914
Nah

>>62206808
>Libertarian
>violating the zero aggression principle by deliberately putting hidden exploits in his softwares

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>>62209434
>Implying there's anything wrong with that.

>>62208515

Many thanks! :3