So is Ryzen actually future proofing with games requiring more

>>62164795
There's no such thing as future proofing

>>62164795
Ryzen isnt for gaming.

>muh gaymen
The only future proof that ryzen brings is the demise of Intel.

it is a meme. pls buy intel

>>62164795
Yes. Moar coars is the future. There is literally no other path

>>62164795
It's close enough in IPC to the intel parts to not matter much.
But if intel also goes to 6-8 cores, then it will be worth to port the console versions more directly, as they NEED to be optimized for 8 cores.

>>62164862
VLIW?

>>62164795
Depends on if you trust AMD to keep up the pace with Intel in the CPU market and actually keep making more powerful CPU's for the AM4 socket that can consistently compete with Intel in the future.

>>62164795
Not a meme. Intel's starting to understand about requiring more cores in the future. Aa a response to Ryzen, Covfefe Lake is added with more cores.

>>62164894
>more powerful CPU's for the AM4 socket
why does the socket matter? i mean, comparing to intel, where every other generation introduces a new socket...

>>62164795
Ryzen us multi usage CPU. It's for rendering, video editing, programming, and some gaming. I'm very happy with my 1700x and I wouldn't ever buy a 7700k.

>>62164795
I remember the days when everything was one core - one thread CPUs, and when the introduced the first dual core we had the same naysayers screeching to the hills about gimmicks & such because nothing was programmed for two whole cores.
Fast forward a pair of decades and we have the same naysayers.
Yes, getting the "best" now will tide you over for a while. Just like how buyers of Intel i7-2600k cpu's were practically future proofed until the CPUs released in 7nm (2019) finally gives them a real reason to update.

>>62164842
But it was marketed to gamers.

If there's any reason Ryzen is futureproofed it's because Intel is moving to 6 cores soon, so game developers won't have any excuses.

>>62164860
Friendly reminder that Intel supports Feminist Frequency.

>>62164795
Nobody will EVER need more than four cores.

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>>62164894
Even if the only thing AMD ever release for AM4 in the future is the exact same CPUs on a 7nm process that can clock to Intel-esque speeds, it'll still be one of the greatest platforms ever released. The cores and the IPC are already there. The current 14nm process that's designed for ~3GHz clocks is all that's holding Ryzen back.

>>62164870
t. Itanium

>>62164795
Yeah you shall go to v to discuss video game related issues

>>62165487
Intel "supports" anything that gives em good PR.

>>62164795
The R7 is like the Q6600 all over again, by the time games actually make use of the cores the CPU it self will be too slow to be useful.

I could see the R5 1600/X being fully utilized in it's lifetime though.

Faggots keep talking about consoles having 8 cores. Consoles have 8 weak ass cores and not all 8 can be utilized for games. With intel's coffeelake at 6 cores, games will start using 6 cores but that won't be anywhere near the norm before DDR5 platforms are common place.

It takes years to develop a game engine and subsequent games. Just like it takes years after a new direct X comes out for games to utilize it. Hell we still don't have true DX 12 developed games yet, just a bunch of DX11 games with DX12 gimmicks tacked on and DX12 games are supposed to make CPUs matter even less.

Now if you're doing any rendering or other shit professionally you would be on HEDT platforms and not AM4 so fuck you faggot streaming hipsters who think otherwise.

yes.

>>62164943
AM4 will last 3 more years. So you don't have to buy a new motherboard for every generation like on jewtel.

Bulldozer sucked because it had garbage IPC and most programs couldn't even use all the cores due to two cores sharing the same pipeline. Ryzen actually is competitive with IPC and it's much easier for programs to take advantage of all its cores.

Ryzen is barely behind intel on IPC, offers way more cores/threads for the money, the socket will be supported for the next few iterations and AMDs coming 7nm mode is announced to improve performance, whereas Intels coming 10nm node is announced to reduce performance.

>>62165684
you can use 7 cores of the consoles. And the large engines already scale reasonably well beyond 8 threads. Game devs aren't aiming for 4/6/8/16 threads anyways since their game has to run on the piece of shit that the majority of people use to play games on. One of the reasons why sound design in modern games is so shit and EAX is still not surpassed by the way. They simply don't want to waste CPU ressources on it

>>62164795
Cofee Lake 8700 will obliterate Ryzen as gaming cpu.

>>62166051
8700 will be 1600 level performance at a 100+ higher price.

>>62166104
No

>>62164795
>gaymemes

you want jewtel, go discuss here: >>>/v/

Huge improvement over the older i5 that g used to meme.

It's amazing and cheap to boot.

Only downside is finnicky with memory but that's more of the fault of ram manufacturing than it is infinity fabric itself.

Hopefully ram prices decrease but I doubt it

>>62166127
Ok Shlomo sorry for offending you please don't jail me for anti-semitism.

>>62166224
Yeah..no

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>Threadripper now dominates the HEDT market
>Epyc now dominates the server market
>Raven Ridge will dominate the mobile market
>yfw gaymen is the only thing intel has left
6GHz dual-core pentium when?

>>62166232
When you look at sales figures, market share, AMD doesn't dominate anything

>>62165684
I like not having to close every other program while playing vidya, though.

>>62166104
7700 is already better than 1600. 8700 has better clocks and more cores.
>100+ higher price
Yeah, because Intel doesn't need those expensive mobos and 3200+ RAM to just fucking work, right?

>>62166297
>AM4
>expensive mainboards
>requiring 3200+RAM
anon pls

100% meme

>>62166297
>Expensive mobos.
>3200+ RAM.
I take it you are used to talking out of your ass right?, there are boards cheaper than the fucking ram you'll install in it.
>7700 is better
Yeah single core performance only, and the 1600 hundred has 2 cores and 4 threads over the juden cpu.

>>62166370
Single core and anything that doesn't leverage more than 4c/8t, so yeah basicaly 90% of everything

>>62164837
There is, you buy intel then laugh at AMD for a decade then wait for their next major breakthrough in architecture for the next decade.

>>62166232
>what are laptops

>>62166362
t. sopa delicia

>>62166382
do they outdo a i7-4790k single core speed?

>>62166382
>He doesn't transcode.
>He doesn't multi task.
>He doesn't transcode while playing games.
>He doesn't compress and decompress or even pirate repacks.

You don't even need the 7700.

>intel 7700k
>gaming
>spotify change music or page auto refresh
>stutters

>>62166505
but he does play games anon, he NEEDS those 5 extra fps at 230+fps on his 60hz monitor, you just don't understand

>>62165116
gamers are stupid

>>62166480
>What is raven ridge

>>62166672
Dunno never heard of it mate

>>62166232
>Raven Ridge
AMD has a LONG way to go to gain back mobile marketshare. Intel completely raped AMD in low power for years and even if mobile Ryzen is good Intel is still competitive, everyone has been reacting positively to Intel's new KL mobile chips.

The NPT bug means Ryzen is worthless.

>>62166776
Same can be said about any cpu market but we see amds swift recovery

Even the case badges made by AMD possess infinitely more finesse than those made by intel

>>62166776
Considering that Zen is inherently efficient, I think that Raven Ridge will bring a great blow to Intel mobile marketshare.
And if Apple adopts Raven Ridge for their Macbooks, Intel is pretty, pretty fucked.

Multi-year support for AM4 is the best thing Ryzen has going for it assuming they don't pull some Intel mobo chipset bullshit

>>62166858
What NPT bug?

>>62166968
if AMD doesn't drop the ball hard they have some really interesting stuff coming up for the forseeable future. Once HBM prices drop they could sell a SoC with HBM as RAM and good enough GPU performance to make a dedicated GPU useless for the mobile market. Apple and others making small form factor notebooks would queue up for something like that

>>62167047
A bug in software virtualization that will get resolved soon with epyc adoption.

>>62166259
AMD is doing well in sales, marketshare can change quickly in a rapidly fluctuating market.
>>62166297
>7700 is already better than 1600
I hope you're talking about K-series, and only talking about CPU bottlenecked gaming, because otherwise lol
>expensive mobos
Hahaha no, B250 boards are cheap. Z270 are the expensive ones.
>and 3200+ RAM
Barely $15-$20 more expensive than the cheapest 2133 MHz speed RAM.
>>62166858
>This very obscure specific use case that only I use means Ryzen is worthless
lol.

>>62167066
>goodbye to optimus and shitty and hot dGPU in notebooks
Welcome to the era of external GPUs and great performance on the road.
Future seems great.

>>62166858
Bug in software. Will be solved soon.

>>62165914
I don't think you understand what IPC means ....
And no Intel is leading on Pure MeH GHZ merit alone.

>>62164795
They're advertising it as using the extra cores for streaming or some job running in the background while you play a game. It's still single thread performance that dictates performance in games.

>>62164795
Moore's Law is dead. All hail cores.

>>62164910
Since intel is going moar coars is there a point to buying an intel, or amd cpu today?

>>62167352
>moar coars that perform less
>moar coars means less single coar performance in intel case
>moar coars that needs more gigawatts than a Delorean with two flux capacitors
>all with a nice overcharge
AMD is the way to go.

>>62167352
if you're buying today amd might be a better buy, check benchmarks for specific games and programs you use. Intel has tons of new stuff coming out to respond to Ryzen but it might suck also it's expensive. You definitely don't need an i9 just to game.

>>62167352
So no just wait for intel's next series of cpu?

>>62167404
Wait for a new architecture with their fabs sold to GloFo.

>>62167392
If I'm buying today it would have to be the 7700k for me, but the 8th gen cpus are almost here, so I'm waiting.

>>62165684
This, wait for ryzen2 to release with oc to 5ghz across 8 cores.

>>62166297
Amd motherboards are cheaper than Intel ones by $50-100. And 3200 ram is just better regardless of what cpu you pair it with.

>>62167100
There's been basically no movement or attention given to this bug. The bug tracker's basically dead aside from a few "me too" posts. AMD hasn't said anything about it.

>>62164795
people have been saying games are going to use more cores for like 6 years already.

>>62165006
I remember this exact thing still happening when I bought my first quadcore. Guess whose CPU lasted for a ridiculous long time? :^)

>>62164795
It's "future proof" in that the AM4 socket is confirmed to support Zen+ as well as Zen 2. It's also "future proof" in that the trend is to move towards more cores / threads, but that takes awhile. Adored.tv did a video where he showed the faildozer """8"""-core behind the 2500k at launch, but eventually faildozer equaled its performance in certain scenarios with newer games.

If AM4 future-proofing interests you, go for Ryzen now. We all know Jewtel is going to make you buy new boards in the future for damn near every revision.

Gayman is the only reason to go Intel.

>>62165116
no it wasnt

>>62167100
>will get resolved soon with epyc adoption.
Sauce on this? AMD has been silent on this from what I've seen. Have they finally confirmed that they will resolve this?

>>62164943
can someone explain to why uses a different socket for every fucking processor?

>>62168271
judaism

>>62168271
because their CPUs aren't SoCs yet and they sell the chipsets for the mainboards. More mainboards sold=more cash for intel

>>62168378

The fact that ryzen is a true SoC is often overlooked by /g/. The biggest advantage of it is you don't NEED an x370 board to get basically all of the I/O ryzen offers natively because the chipset does fuckall. This has the added advantage of upgrade paths - namely you don't get jewed by the need for newer chipsets precisely because the cpu is handling it all.

>>62168025
It only exists on some of the chips produced before the 25th week of production and is an issue that only crops up on Linux operating systems. If you have the bug you can RMA your chip.

If you had actually been paying attention youd have known all of this.

You would

>>62165593
>Intel "supports" anything that gives em good PR.
This. They'd support the rape of there own family if it gave them good PR

>>62168576
Different bug. I'm asking about the amd npt bug.

>>62164795
if an algorithm needs a lot of cores to run, then it would just use the GPU
All the CPU needs are 4 fast cores, it doesn't need more.

>>62168515
technically AM4 boards don't even ahve a chipset, as in north and southbridge. They call it I/O bridge i think, all it does is provide some additional I/O functionality

>>62165684
If you are doing professional work you probably have a mac. Certainly NOT HEDT custom builts.

>>62168663
bullshit.

>>62168576
Is this irony, or are you just brain damaged?

>>62165116
No it fucking wasn't

>>62168085
>people have been saying games are going to use more cores for like 6 years already.
>You'll never need 8gbs

>>62167103
sause on 3200Mhz ram so i can get some for my 1600x

>>62168967
>>62168190
Yes it fucking was. At least try to wait a few years before you try to rewrite something that just happened.

>>62164795
The same meme as bulldozer
AMD has been strong with the paid shills this time

>>62165492
hol up, lemme DL speccy so i can grab a shot with my 1950X

>>62165492

*Until Intel tells you that you do, then it suddenly matters.

>coffee lake

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>>62169067
This, it's not like there have been any performance improvements at all. 5 extra FPS in sports gaming? Pffffft, I get 20 more with my pentium overclocked to 5 GHz.

>>62164795
zen isnt really as future proof as zen 2 will be
as far as the roadmap goes zen 3 will be a long time before we see something from it so zen 2 needs to be able to hold its own for longer than zen1 so its only natural that they will be able to finewine them

>>62169057
No it fucking wasn't you dumb shit. Not only it wasn't marketed primarily for gaming but it also wasn't marketed solely for gaming.
And we're talking about r7/r5 at lowest not fucking r3.

You surely hear gaming in the ecuation because it sells, that's the reality, but the fact is that it wasn't marketed for that as a new generation of CPUs, r7s for the most part is still marketed for what you would call workstations.

the only people that marketed 1800x and 1700x and the rest for gamers where fucking paid shills
amd clearly stated that the lineup was going against the 6xxx series but no shills tried to compare it constantly with 7700k
till ofc 1600 came and suddenly 7700k didnt matter

>>62169564
>No it fucking wasn't you dumb shit. Not only it wasn't marketed primarily for gaming but it also wasn't marketed solely for gaming.
Are you retarded?

>Ryzen 1800X and 1080 Ti
>Get 200 FPS in DOOM @ 1440p
>Get ~40 fps in WoW

>>62169661
Disable all cores but 2 and OC them to 5GHz for WoW. You're welcome.

>>62169661
>caring for fps in mmo games

>>62169224
You have 7zip in there twice.

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>>62164842
UMA

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>>62169564
retard

>>62164961
Hear hear

>>62169224
Price/performance and power consumption aren't really anything to scoff at though. Hell, I remember all of the Intel shills laughing their asses off at the FX series processors because they required a 100KW generator to power them, now the tables are turned and all of that is suddenly forgotten.

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>>62166505
>Ryzen releases
>suddenly 99% of the AMD fanbase is a content creator or streamer

>>62166538
>60 hz
I have a 144 hz monitor pleb

>>62165593
Exactly, hence why I do not support them. If someone only changes their stances to be seen as "progressive" by the common people, then they deserve no pity. Shameless.. sad!

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>>62170140
>ryzen released
>wins everything
>suddenly nothing that amd wins doesnt matter

>>62170213
It doesn't win everything

Also you used a double negative

>>62170262
almost everything. There are like 2 intel SKUs left worth buying

>>62170282
But, can you get motherboards for them?

>>62170282
>almost everything
Except gaming

Obviously if you don't do any of that Ryzen is a no brainer. But if you buy these cpu's for gaming, which alot of people in this price segment do, Intel is still king and it will cement that position even further with the 8700k

>>62165684
>The R7 is like the Q6600 all over again, by the time games actually make use of the cores the CPU it self will be too slow to be useful.
The Q6600 was an awesome processor for exactly that reason. It allowed me to play games and do other things at the same time without compromising either. If the R7 allows me to do the same thing, then that sounds great to me.

>>62170318
>cement that position even further with the 8700k
LOL!

>>62164795
>too early for gaymen performance
>too late for industry adoption
ryzen is a meme for enthusiasts to chew on

>>62170318
1600 is on par with 7700k nowdays the only thing that saves intel is that 7700k can rarely go to 5ghz and the g450

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>>62170444
>1600 is on par with 7700k nowdays
No it isn't, not even an 1800x is on par with a 7700k

>inb4
>those benchmarks don't count, D-day one reeeeeeeeee!

These aren't day one benchmarks they are from july.

>>62170487
mein got this fucking out of context benchmark again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj5MtsSZJIk
its 2 to 7% behind

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>>62170487
No idea what's happening to the 1800x in those tests, but the 1600 doesn't seem to be doing that badly in other tests, especially when overclocked.

>>62170318
>except gaming
except that's wrong. How many people spend 300 bucks for their gaymin CPU? Check the steam hardware survey, if you think more than 5% of the market is in for CPUs in the i7 price range you're wrong. And below that intel gets raped

>>62167404
Yeah. 6+ core or go home

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>>62170487
>poozen_gaming.jpg

UMA
>>62170889

>>62170487
>they are from july

Then link it, faggot. I want to see the whole configuration

I'll start with https://www.techspot.com/review/1450-core-i7-vs-ryzen-5-hexa-core/

>>62170889
>Ruins near water town
If that make sense to anyone.

>>62172463
>30 game average
What games, and setting?

>>62165540
Glofo's new 7nm LP node is also boasting >40% perf/watt and up to 2x area scaling over the 14nm LPP node. The 5ghz target frequency is amazing on top of that. >5ghz 8c/16t CPU that isn't a complete and total housefire? Yes fucking please. I'll be selling and replacing my R7-1700 with a Zen 2 as soon as it launches for sure. Also, I'd like to see improvements made to the memory controller, the smaller node itself will give a slight IPC uplift without making any actual architectural changes.

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/250936-globalfoundries-announces-early-7nm-availability-40-improved-performance-14nm-finfet

>>62173134
>replacing ryzen for zen 2, because rumors
Why are you replacing it. Isn't it future proof?

>>62164961
>and I wouldn't ever buy a 7700k.
fox and grapes

>>62166414
> Intel
> breakthrough architecture
Pick one

>>62173201
He's right though, you need an AIO cooler with tripple 140mm fans on the radiator at MINIMUM to cool it at stock settings. L2N is highly recommended for OC'ing.

>>62170140
>pre-Ryzen
Everyone on /g/ are just gaymers building gayming PCs, no one has ever heard of streaming, rendering or """content""" creation.

>Ryzen release
Everyone on /g/ laughed at the pisspoor Ryzen release to the point i5 users were shitposting en masse on how they don't really need to upgrade.

>3 months after Ryzen's release
Everyone is a """professional""", """streamer""", """content creator""" to the point of being extremely aggressive towards /g/aymers.

>>62173273
Makes me wonder

>>62173273
>Everyone is a """professional""", """streamer""", """content creator""" to the point of being extremely aggressive towards /g/aymers.
Not only that. /g/ is now filled with professionals who uses their pc for a specific niche, and everyone outside of that specific usecase is a /v/poster.

>>62165492
>VLIW

http://quotes.lifehack.org/media/quotes/quote-Bill-Gates-640k-ought-to-be-enough-for-anybody-89027.png

>>62173273
>Everyone on /g/ are just gaymers building gayming PCs
No wonder this board is a laughing stock of this shit
/g/ - technology my arse.

>>62173789
Except /g/ was made specifically for gayming PCs, laptops and stuff.

The programming and IT industry section only came years later when 4chin was yuge.

>>62173340
>/g/ is now filled with professionals who uses their pc for a specific niche
This is actually hilarious and true to a fault.

Am I a retard for wanting to buy a prebuilt?

>>62173789
>/g/ - technology my arse.
Plebbitors are to blame. They turned it into a ayymd shithole that idolizes youtubers.

>>62173960
no, wanting comfort isn't retarded. Giving in to buying a worse product for more money is though

>>62174003
About the same price. I tried checking individual parts and its basically the same.

>>62173273
>Everyone is a """professional""", """streamer""", """content creator"""
Sort of like how every Windows user has a need for CAD software, Photoshop, and Microsoft Office?

Whats the best PC I can build for $1600?

I think Ryzen hits a sweetspot for the low end of processors like the i3s.

The IPC is close enough to Intel now and you can get 4 true cores with hyperthreading instead of a dual core with hyperthreading. The ones without hyperthreading are cheap as hell for poverty builds.

i5 and i7 is slightly more debateable. With the IPC being more in-line with Skylake, now you get close to their performance for light threading, and for threaded games the 1600 models can go toe to toe with the i5 7600k. Not a huge difference in price between them.

I'd argue having an i5 or i7 for these next few years would be a better deal overall for gamers. You're gonna get a lot of performance out of these now and still be competent from raw IPC even if threading makes a lot of progress. By the time these drop in power it'll be time for an upgrade anyways. The difference here will be that AMD sockets hang around for a long time. Who knows though.

>>62170370
The Q6600 can still run alot of games at reasonable framerates if OC'd to say 3.5Ghz. That's more than respectable from a decade old CPU, not to mention the value you got out of it if you bought it around the time Nehalem launched and you could get full systems without a GPU for 200€.

>>62173273
>Everyone on /g/ are just gaymers building gayming PCs

That's what most PC/Hardware threads still are about. If not, one group of /v/ babbies is going to shit it up sooner or later

>no one has ever heard of streaming, rendering or """content""" creation.

Yeah, because Twitch and Yootoob celebrity cancer didn't exist before. Or Let's Plays. Or montages, you fucking newfag.

>Everyone on /g/ laughed at the pisspoor Ryzen release to the point i5 users were shitposting en masse on how they don't really need to upgrade.

You mean gaming performance. And it's mostly fixed now. Unless you exclusively play a few selected titles like Starcaft/ArmA, only the 7700k is still a trump.

>Everyone is a """professional""", """streamer""", """content creator""" to the point of being extremely aggressive towards /g/aymers.

/g/ was never about video gaming. If you exclusively care about video gaming performance of a CPU, you can discuss that over on >>>/v/

>>62173340
Because /g/ never had Freetards shilling up their <2% market share free gnu open sores software or open generals on >muh ricing or >muh thinkpads ever before

Where do you think we are?

Falseflagging shills need to kill themselves.

>>62167139
>Welcome to the era of external GPUs
I believe Intel's release of the Thunderbolt at the end of 2017 is the exact reason for Raven Ridge delays. Still I would rather see a dedicated PCI-E interface like what Alienware laptops have, with no CPU overhead and full 16x or 8x interface. For some reason only macbooks have direct connection to CPU via TB, which is why ironically the fagbook is the best eGPU laptop right now, if you can prevent it from CPU throttling.

>>62167352
Intel doesn't have a real answer to Ryzen for now. Maybe in 2 years

>>62174142
Building your own is more satisfying.

>>62170282
>2 intel SKUs
Make it one, the 7600K is obesolete already, games like BF1 can't get to 144hz with it reliably, even with god-tier overclocks. Anything on the X299 is trash aswell, literally worse IPC than 7700K AND about to get even more fucked with Coffee lake in two months, atleast for videogames.

>>62174142
Supposedly, since I don't stop prebuilts, modern ones have the CPU somehow built into the mobo limiting upgrade paths.

I would assume it's only on maybe walmart/best buy shit though. Still crazy.
An old prebuilt I had came with some single core Sempron, eventually ended with a Phenom. Can't imagine losing that advantage.

>>62164795
It is a meme the only real reason to like Ryzen is its price and the fact it is the first thing AMD has made in 10 years that is worth anything more than a wet fart.

Highly doubtful that games will be optimized for multi-core usage until well past 2020 when AM4 will be dropped by AMD.

>>62164795
Which Ryzen cpu should I get to replace my 3570K?

>>62167426
They're promising 11% IPC increase, 2 more cores and same OC potential as KL. Right now, only 7700K and G4560 are worth buying on Intel side, every other price bracket is comfortably held by AMD. It's only 2 months away, this should be the biggest step up in performance for the same price Intel took since Core2 release.

>>62170889
The PUBG one is obviously GPU bound, even with the "6 core patch" it's still shitting the bed in cities on Ryzen more than the 7700K.

>>62174636
Well the one I was gonna order is a i7-7700k so I don't think futureproofing is going to be an issue for a long while. Im not the type who insists on playing Witcher 3 at 100 fps anyway.

>>62173134
>The 5ghz target frequency is amazing on top of that. >5ghz 8c/16t

I feel like this claim is too good to be true. I hope it is though

>>62173134
>8 cores at 5.0ghz
Ya, not gonna happen.
4.5ghz? Sure that's reasonable.

>>62175578
If we could see a say 10-15% IPC boost aswell, with the pricing staying the same, I would have no issue with going AMD again. I've been eyeing the 240hz monitors for a while.

>>62175624
>10-15% IPC boost
I hear this a lot.
I call bullshit until we have the proofs.

Intel is also claiming a 11% IPC jump, I doubt it.

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>>62164795
>future proofing
>1600 is on par with 7700k

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>>62175781
>he cares about gaming performance

FUCK off

>>>/v/

>>62175809
Well the 1600 is meant for gaming broski.

>>62175745
the IPC part is just speculation, no one anywhere gave any kind of information to support this

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>>62175781
>using a game that has millions of hardware variables to represent CPU performance.

>>62175809
t. content creator, enthusiast, and pro-sumer

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>>62175781
saw that
that "beta" only uses 8 cores + threads in total

>>62174902
>11% IPC increase
>same OC potential as KL

this is what incels actually believe

ryzen gets cucked in games.
ryzen gets cucked in vms.
ryzen gets cucked in linux.
then ryzen cucks you for all the world to see, because of psp.

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>>62166414
many keks anon. underrated

>>62175888
>Checked

Also, does anyone else think these results are fabricated?
The split in CPU classes is almost perfect.
The GPU benches seem to follow the same trend.

>>62164795
I bought Ryzen, I didn't get bulldozer. The reason? Reviews and tests.

>>62164842
Works fine for my games, better than my last gen processor.

>>62164860
Don't be an Intel fanboy, you sicken me.

>>62165487
Don't be an AMD fanboy, you sicken me.

>>62165492
Can you provide any date on this?
I use tri-monitor set up, and so far, it's worked great. Especially, when I go in and set affinity on some of my background and work programs while I play games.

>>62166232
I'm not knowledgeable enough about the HEDT market to question that, but I feel it might not be true, because it definitely doesn't dominate the server market share. Not since (no video) Xeon chips went cheaper than i7's for the same continuous load.

>>62166776
Let's not forget Qualcomm presence in the market elbowing both major rivals, soon to making it a threeway race.

>>62170213
Tits

>>62176079
You keep using that word, but I don't think it means, what you think it means.

---

Feel free to ask me anything, am experts in electrical hardwares.

>>62176079
True dat

@62176226
>Feel free to ask me anything, am amd internet defense force. 10/10 will damage control for money.

>>62176204
100% there is some favoring the 1080Ti

their engine or something in their engine doesn't feed Ryzen CPUs well or properly
take note that they also worked with Intel while developing this game

>>62176423
>favoring the 1080Ti
I wouldn't say that, as all games favor the 1080ti because it's the fastest.
What's strange to me is how well each GPU is spread out.

>>62173201
Are you retarded?
>rendering, video editing, programming, and some gaming
7700K is shit for multi-threaded usage
If he only games infrequently and uses multithreaded applications a lot then 7700k is actually worse.

>>62173273
>/g/ - Video Games 'Technology'

>>62175064
then you don't need 7700k

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>>62175887
>only /v/ is allowed to browse the technology board

>>62176204
It's to be expected, I'm sure this happens frequently and it makes sense that it does happen frequently as the different CPUs/SKUs are engineered targeting different modes of performance and just varying levels of performance to accomplish that very divide within a certain budget.

Interestingly enough using the ingame FPS counter with everything at ultra running 1080p the 970 showed a 60FPS average on the nose the majority of playtime. This is a good indicator that they built and budgeted for the 970, 1080, and 60hz/fps, and hit the target perfectly.

>>62175781
in what world is 70% of the framerate "on par"

>>62167103
Yeah but historically speaking Intel has used dubious techniques to undermine AMD's saturation of the market. Despite the numerous cases AMD has won against Intel and the pending UK case against them I have no doubt they will continue to employ such methods to sabotage AMD.

>>62169655
>>62170014
I don't get why you guys are calling him retarded. The game angle was like "yes it can also play games well"

>>62168167
This is horseshit.

With good ram my 1600x was 2x faster than my old i5

>>62169661
What this guy said>>62169674
You can disable cores for certain games like bf1 and gain a significant performance boost

>>62177574
Your 1600X isn't being compared here.

>>62164795
I don't think it future proofs anything. Each core has a slightly worse single-thread performance than Intel CPUs.

It's really nice to have all them cores right now for things like OBS or just being able to have things running in the background while you play games. It's the same as having 32 GB RAM, you don't need it for your game but it's nice to not have to close everything to have enough free RAM if you want to play something.

>>62164894
>more powerful CPU's for the AM4 socket
This is just a stupid silly notion and I don't even get why you bring it up.

Nobody's going to buy a $300-400 CPU and replace it with a perhaps 5% faster $400 CPU in a year or two. I've had many computers over the years and since I've mostly had AMD systems. I've never, ever, even once bought a motherboard and CPU and RAM combination and replaced the CPU later on. Just doesn't happen.

The AM1 socket wasn't relevant by the time I upgraded to AM3. AM3 wasn't relevant when I went AM4 and DDR4. And AM4 won't be around by the time I do my next major upgrade.

>>62177602
U lot talking about the 8 comes for gaming?

More games are utilizing more cores / threads now which is good. My i7-2600k getting better with time really.

>>62177883
Pubg siege bf1 and many newer games past 2015 are multithreaded for over 6 threads

Reminder that Zen is no better than Sandy Bridge for games

>>62178823
Thats just not true.

>>62177603
>Nobody's going to buy a $300-400 CPU and replace it with a perhaps 5% faster $400 CPU in a year or two.
well duh of course not because that would be dumb, but that's a straw man.
AM4 wil be supported until what, 2020? so 2022 there will be used and cheap AM4-compatible chips with quite an upgrade over zen1.

>>62178823
This is a straight up lie it shits over my haswell e i5

>>62164795
Just look at how well BULLDOZER faired over the years.
Despite having 8 cores, it was still easily beaten by Intel's dual cores.
It didn't even age well.

By the time 8+ cores can be utilized efficiency, Ryzen and Zen 2 will be obsolete.
Then AMD fans will have to wait 8 more years again

>>62170318
I don't like stutters so no Intel for me.

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>>62164795

A) What retard thinks "future proofing" is a thing?

B) Since when are more cores a bad thing?

>>62179161
That's because you have an i5.

>>62179198
bulldozer sacrificed single thread performance parallelism, ryzen does not.

>>62173273
Some people grow up I suppose.

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>>62179161
Well, this is awkward.

So Sandy bridge at 4.6-4.8ghz has basically the same IPC as 3.7-3.8ghz ryzen.

>>62179249
>i5
>13 fps
lol what a stuttery piece of shit

>>62179274
Those are 1% lows not average.
But still, not having 8 threads really hurts i5s.

>>62179249
>>>62179161
>Well, this is awkward.
>So Sandy bridge at 4.6-4.8ghz has basically the same IPC as 3.7-3.8ghz ryzen.
You got any other game graphs from that source?

>>62179296
Buying intel products hurts in general.

>>62179249
>So Sandy bridge at 4.6-4.8ghz has basically the same IPC as 3.7-3.8ghz ryzen.
Wow, you really don't have a clue what IPC is do you

So I bought 1600 200€ + B350-Plus 80€ + G.skill (Samsung b-die) 3200MHz 16GB 125€ did I fuck up?

It's funny Intel CPU's are always oc'd in Intel charts. Liked my previous 6600k setup though upgraded for shits'n'giggles.

>>62179249
>lowest FPS on any AMD product is over 50
Pretty safe choice for a stutter free experience it seems

>>62179393
>Instructions per clock at 1ghz is the same as it is at 40ghz.
It's instructions per CLOCK. God, people stop confusing IPC with clock speed.

>>62177558
It's not "you guys" it's just one embarrassed faggot. Video game addicted kiddos tend to think every piece of new tech that comes out is targeted to their demographic. He didn't even notice that this one wasn't until someone else pointed it out and called him a retard for thinking so.

>>62179249
Feels good to have just gotten my 2600K to 4.7GHz @ 1.268v, not sure if it's a golden chip or if my mobo is just really good (p8z77-i deluxe). Don't wanna push it further though as I don't like seeing temps in the 70s, even if they'd only be that high during prime95. That and I can't really afford to replace it if it dies.

>>62165684
DX 12 is a fail though https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_with_DirectX_12_support
Look at the list of upcoming DX12 games. It's only Forza.
You can See that 2016 developers tried to use DX12, because a few games were published. In 2017 almost every body gave up.
Vulcan is the future

>>62180410
>Vulcan is the future
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_with_Vulkan_support
Not like Vulkan is really taking off either.

>>62179566
I'm confused. I didn't mention IPC and understand it fine. I just like the graph and want more/source

>>62179249
>Using a ancient as fuck game from 2012
Inteltards everyone

>>62179532
No you're fine

>>62180442
At least it's a good game.

>>62180410
>>62180433
Babbies with no programming experience talking about APis they dont understand

>>62179075
Call it "straw man" if you want to, I'm just calling it like it is. By time time I wanted to upgrade from AM1 the AM3 platform was the obvious choice. It will be the same with AM4. I'm sure the Ryzen CPU I have on my AM4 motherboard will stay put until we're using DDR5 or whatever comes next.

And I'm not a poor-fag, I won't be dumpster-diving for no AM4 CPU two years after it's become obsolete.

Recommending buying AM4 now because there might come some slightly faster CPU in the future remains silly. I could see the argument for buying a AM4 board and DDR4 RAM along with a Ryzen 1200 now if you can't afford a 1700 or a 1800 right away, but that too is a bit silly since you're basically just wasting money on that 1200.

>>62166145
So you can only talk about amd here? Are you a fucking retard? (silly question as you used the jew term so yep you are)
The more companies in competition the better

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>>62179249
>Same IPC
>Different clock speeds

>>62180581
Replacing a $200 R5-1600 with a 8 core Zen 2 @5Ghz is not that wasteful, if you consider what you would have to pay for an 8 core Skylake-X system right now, that's still going to be slower than that Zen2.

It's somewhat risky because there is no guarantee that whatever AM4 mainboard you buy will support an 8 core Zen 2 @ 5Ghz.