>the English language has no words to distinguish 'free

>>62113892
This is why I have taken to saying free (libre) software in cases when there is any confusion.

>>62113911
Can't freetards just call it 'liberated' software?

>>62113925
>I use liberated software.
>You mean, you pirated it?
Yeah, no. And to begin with, liberated from what?

You should switch to a superior language, OP. Voisit puhua vapaasta ja avoimesta lähdekoodista ilman että kukaan luulee sinun tarkoittavan ilmaissovelluksia

>>62113925
That sounds more autistic, honestly.

Personally, I think that most people, except for layman who are out of the loop entirely (in which case, you're an idiot for trying to lecture them about the ethics of software, because they couldn't give two shits about free software) understand what you mean when you say free software.

I've heard Starbucks-drinking hipsters talk about using Emacs and how it's free software, so I think you're okay, OP.

>>62113953
Proprietary licensing. The four freedoms.

ya it's pretty gay.

that's why i always say FREE AS IN FREEDOM

>>>62113953 (You)
>Proprietary licensing. The four freedoms.
Even if the software never was under propriety license?

>>62113973
>>62113996
Duh.

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>the English language has no words to distinguish 'friendly love' from 'romantic love' or 'family love' like Greek
>if you want to say to a close male friend you love him as a friend, you have to walk on eggshells and be extra careful that he doesn't interpret it the wrong way

>>62113953
Liberated from proprietary control over the user, in comparison to the norm.

>>62113973
I know it does but there must be a way to definitively describe free software accurately in one word. The English language lacks it but 'liberated' is the closest we'll get. Liberty software even. Saying 'free' will always confuse people even when talking within the subject. There's tonnes of 'gratis' software which is proprietary.

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The alternative is right behind Richard.
Call it software livre. Livre is a word that is associated with freedom, not in free as free-of-charge.

romantic languages have a bunch of other words for money related stuff, so this misunderstanding never happens around here.

>>62113971
Tää

>>62113973
I have found that anyone who has actually taken the time to read any of those click through proprietary EULAs will understand what free software is and why it's valuable.

Proprietary software = "botnet software"
Free software = "notnet software"

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>>62113971
>>62114080
qt Finnish language teacher gives you qt three minute lessons. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_0vYxE_KmA&list=PLakFpY9Bt6gkNSgm4RKpYlNPqNfi4zzCn

>>62114050
Underrated kek

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>>62113892
Why not just call it freedom software?

He can go back to speaking Hebrew then, dirty ugly kike

>>62114056
I think libre has a better chance at entering the lexicon. The US already has a large Spanish-speaking population of which already know the difference between 'libre' and 'gratis.'

If you're not talking to someone that already knows what free software means, open source is a perfectly fine term to use.

>>62113925
>liberated
Like eastern europe by russians?

>>62115079
What did he mean by this

>>62114651
I'd just like to sperg out for a moment. Luckily, Stallman already did, which saves me a lot of typing. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html
Saying "open source" makes it sound like something for those spergy coders and developers, what with their source codes and everything. Free software is about more than that.

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>>62113892
It don't matta

Outside of /g/, no one will understand what you mean when you say things like "Free as in Freedom" or "Free as in beer". So say what you want. It isn't a limitation of the English language. It is an oversight by the nincompoops who came up with this philosophy.

>>62114050
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=platonic

You're an idiot

>>62115467
I platonic you

gratis speech

>>62113892
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAA1xgTTw9w

>>62115540
pla·ton·ic
pləˈtänik
adjective
(of love or friendship) intimate and affectionate but not sexual.

Do you not know what an adjective is? I guess we should define that for you too.

ad·jec·tive
ˈajəktiv
noun GRAMMAR
a word or phrase naming an attribute, added to or grammatically related to a noun to modify or describe it.

So if we take out your improperly used adjective your sentence turns into "I you." You want to make sure that you use adjectives to describe what you want to say. so say "I platonically love you" or "I have platonic love for you"

>>62113892
>tfw Polish language has no words to distinguish "free software" from "slow software"

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>>62115677
>On my world, it means "free as in freedom"

>>62115663
>ywn say "I romantically love you" to a qt gf

>>62113911
Why not just say open source?

>>62115857
Software can be open source but you may not have the freedom to change the code.

>>62115759
In Polish "free as in freedom" sounds exactly as "slow as in slowness"

>>62113971
Yeah, right. Von freien und quelloffenen Programmen zu sprechen, wäre vielleicht eine bessere Möglichkeit zu beschreiben was gemeint ist. "Frei und quelloffen", wobei "quelloffen" für nicht-technikaffine Menschen reichen sollte.

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>>62113892
Just say "freedom software"
"freedom" instead of "free"

>>62116052
Didn't mean imply anything negative about your post Anon. That Man of Steel quote popped in my head after I read your post.

Twoje zdrowie! (Nie mówię po polsku)

>>62113892
Just call it "Free and Open Source" or "Free as in Freedom software" or "Freedom respecting software"

>>62114531
how do you pronounce it in english. "Leeber" or "Leebray"?

>>62113892
You do know RMS is more about free-of-charge/free beer software instead of actual FOSS software.

People misinterpret him so much, he's not forcing people to give out their source code, just that the software is free.
FOSS is just the extreme of it.

>>62116312
Lee-bray.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp7DufUytLI

Jesus Christ, call it open software, and make a big stink about the difference between open and open source.

>>62114252
How do I say "I'd like some private tuition please Paula" in Finnish?

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>>62113892
>>the English language has no words to distinguish 'free speech' from 'free beer.'
Which languages have this?

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>>62113971
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>>62116919
Portuguese for instance
Gratis means free as in beer
Liberdade means free as in freed

>>62117021
br phoneposter pls go

>>62115663
>I love you, man. Platonically of course.
May as well just say
>I love you, man. No homo.

>>62114531
But the "libre" term was taken from French

>>62113892
True patricians say libre software

>>62117915
In a few years absolutely everyone will understand the word libre

>>62115156
I know that, and if the discussion goes anywhere you can bring that up, but if you're just introducing the concept to someone, "open source" works because it's less confusing for them. It's autistic as fuck to try to include finer nuances of a subject when explaining something to someone unfamiliar on the topic.

>>62116312
Leeber
I'm not fucking French

>>62113892
thats why I support open source and not free software get fucked mememan

thats why you use freemium for "free" software.

>>62113911
>libre
So liberal?

>>62117637
>no homo
How much more normalfag can you get?

>>62119341
>this tryhard totally-not-normie-I-swear
Don't you have a workout to continue?

>speaking anything but English

you're irrelevant anyway

I don't understand why we need to specify the "free." Just call it open source software; all open source software is free in both meanings of the word.

>>62113892
no one thinks this

>>62119376
>no u
lmaoing@urlyfe

>>62113892
>has no words
it has a word it is free just because the common plebs are using it wrong is not the fault of the english language

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thanks you for your hard work you have been much herpfur

>>62113892
english is one of the simplest and most shit tier languages out there

which is why it's so common. every retard can learn it

>>62113892
>has no words
>"free and open source" are not words
Thanks for the english lesson OP

>>62119787
At least it doesn't sound like shit.
Lingua Franca should not sound like French, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese or some slavic mumbling.
German could work too, but English works better due to lack of words that sound like Unduturudigungingang.

>>62119844
>German could work too
lmao, German might be the ugliest sounding language ever.

>>62119917
Nah, French beats it hands down.
Then there are guttural groid groans - those still technically count as languages.

>>62118910
"Open source" and "free software" are different things, and introducing one as the other puts the wrong one on as the focus.

>>62118943
LEEEEEE

>>62115649
>>>/r/eddit

This is why I love knowing native Spanish and calling "software libre" and everyone gets it

>>62115467
That sounds even gayer you fucking idiot.

>>62113953
just say you use American software. Most languages don't have any translation for 'open source', but they acknowledge that America is the land of the free and the home of the brave

>>62113892
Stop posting, RMS hates the term FOSS

>>62116919
Most European and Asian languages.

>>62122472
I think English speakers understand that too.

>>62123820
Most countries see America as the land of obesity and military strikes.

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>English has no word to distinguish between girl and girl (male)

>>62113971
>vapaasta
is that a spaghetti vape?

>>62113892
the word you're looking for is 'context'

often times you need to be smart enough to judge what the word implies depending on the situation, low IQ's gtfo.

>>62124306
>the land of obesity and military strikes
AKA abundance and power

>>62125213
he knows our secret.

kill him.

>>62124364
but it does

trap, ladyboi, boipussi

>>62119014
(You)

>>62115896
If I have the source code no one can tell me what I can or can't do with it.

>>62125742
nobody assumed that a /g/ basement dweller made money with software anyway

>>62113892
then you say free as in freedom or copyleft

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>>62113911
I just call the entire concept "software freedom".

>>62125742
That is false.
You might very well not have the right to change/modify/distribute it without commiting a crime.
In that sense open source software (and GPL software) can (and often is) not free.

>>62114252
>He minimum rinikadinka [your name].

No thank you.

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>>62114435
>freedom-ware
>software-freedom

>>62116919
slobodan is free as in freedom
besplatan is free as in beer

>>62113892
>the English language has 2 ways of pronouncing every letter
This is why I pronounce .gif as gif(t)

>>62113971
poo -> loo

>>62116919
Hungarian

>>62116312
>beady anglos literally can't be fucked to decode and read any written language other than their retarded, non phonetic, arbitrary one
Fucking brainlets

>>62118943
It's "lee-bruh" in French though

>>62128084
Keep telling us.
It's important

>>62113971
Ebin :DDD?

>>62116919
Gratis as in "free beer"
Libre as in "free software"

>>62113892
>shit is only free if it follows my rules exactly
>including not allowing users to break them by choice

>>62113971
FUS RO DAH

>>62116919
Spanish and Portuguese have them for sure. I think most languages do not use the same word for free price and freedom. Why are they the same in English?

>>62116919
Every Romance language and almost every European language, since we are not brainlets unlike the Anglos

>>62116919
Pretty much every language except English.

>>62123820
>>>62113953
>just say you use American software. Most languages don't have any translation for 'open source', but they acknowledge that America is the land of the free and the home of the brave

>mfw you believe what you say
Most countries find America disgusting, ruled by companies, under dictature of money. A great land of fatfucks where justice only advantage those who has money and let the poor and black people work for nothing all their life and make huge profit on it. Or just let them die.

>>62116919
A lot actually, at least in Europe.
Never forget : less words, less concepts available, less thinking...
That explains American stupidity.

>>62116919
Norwegian
"gratis" means free as in free beer.
"fri" means free as in freedom.

>>62130887
>less words
>less concepts
>talks about stupidity
>can't use English properly
it's "fewer words" and "fewer concepts", you fucking illiterate piece of garbage

>>62116919
literally every civilized language on the planet

>>62130932
how many languages do you know apart from english?

>>62130932
>>>62130887 (You)
>>less words
>>less concepts
>>talks about stupidity
>>can't use English properly
>it's "fewer words" and "fewer concepts", you fucking illiterate piece of garbage

Ahahahahah
You should have understood that English is not my native language. That in fact means I speak at least one more language than you. I speak 4 btw.

Sorry I got you offended with your LESSER concepts, but you demonstrate your stupidity once more. If English language was linked to intelligence by any mean, your country would not be so shitty.

>>62131028
Romanian
Hugarian
English
French
probably more Spanish than americans

>>62131096
I'm not an american, you stupid mongoloid
>once more
that was my first post

>>62130887
>less words
>less concepts
The concept that language influences thought is sound, but as for understanding of concepts, a larger vocabulary of words does not correlate to a larger vocabulary of concepts.
>less thinking
A more specific vocabulary actually encourages less thinking, not more. Think of compression vs plain text; if we have one word a specific concept and that one alone, then there's no ambiguity to wrangle with and we're on the same page easily. However, if there's more than one meaning per word (e.g. "I'm going to the bank.") then context, tone, and body language all must be considered when determining what the speaker means by this (e.g. going to handle money at the bank or dip their feet in the river to relax.) Therefor, more thought.
This is neither objectively good nor objectively bad, but using English as an example of American stupidity when there are so many others to choose from is worse than lazy.

>>62131155
If you already know hungarian and english, how hard is it to learn French?

I've been considering it for a while. Don't have any reason to learn it, but I'm intrigued by the challenge (and it would allow me to read franco-belgian comics at their original language, without waiting for scanlations).

>>62131155
And still you can't understand basic philosophy concepts? Please kys.

>>62116919

german:

"kostenlos" = no money to be paid
"frei" = free as in freedom

>>62113892
What's FOSS?

>>62131482
Free (as in speech) Open Source Software

>>62131563
Thank you

>>62131271
Thanks! That's an interesting point of view, and I'm not saying it's false. I'm myself believe the opposite for a few reasons.
If you no more words, you can represent yourself more concepts. You can have and spread more precise ideas, think about more precise things. It actually open a large field of possibilities of reasoning.
Note I'm making the difference between imagining something, an object and thinking about concepts. Concepts have no shape and is matter to thinking.
There is an exemple I like about colors. In some countries they don't separate colors the way 'we' do (depending on your culture). Some might see one 'blue' or 'blueish' range of colors, more or less dark, whereas other cultures might have like 4 different words for 'your blue'.
As we were discussing in this thread, it's hard to spread the English idea of 'free as in freedom' because people don't know the word or can't express it to themself. You can't know a concept before you encountered in mind and named it. You have to name it to be actually easily 'thinkable' for your mind.
For me, less specific vocabulary encourages reasoning errors, misunderstandings and further stability in an argument and those that derive from.
I don't know how to say it right, but that's the point I believe in. There are some philosophy writings about this problem, but I can't remember the names.

>>62131394
knowing romanian made it easy to learn french, since they're both romance languages

hungarian would only help me learn nordic languages

>>62131416
or you can just admit it's shameful to talk about language and use the one you're speaking on this board in a wrong way

>>62131718
>hungarian would only help me learn nordic languages

Wouldn't that be finnish only, since the other nordic languages (danish, swedish, norwegian, icelandic) are all germanic in origin?

I haven't learned any romantic languages at all, and it is said that french is the most complex of them all. It would probably be pretty hard for me to learn, I guess.

>>62131690
It's about a tradeoff between time spent conveying a message and accuracy/precision, but there's almost always context and connotation attached to help. When for example Stallman says the word "free," chances are he's talking about free as in freedom. There's no need for him to explain around people who know him and know his cause.

>>62131765
having gone through french since kindergarten until the end of high school, i can tell you it's not that hard to master

by 8th grade we've already been taught everything that has to to with grammar, and in high school most of the concepts were repeated. it all has to do with how much french media you consume. books, movies, tv shows, etc. and just practice your conversation

Or, you know, you could stop being autistic about licences and call it open source software.

Free+Open Source as I have taken to calling it

>>62131859
>by 8th grade we've already been taught everything that has to to with grammar, and in high school most of the concepts were repeated. it all has to do with how much french media you consume. books, movies, tv shows, etc. and just practice your conversation

Funny thing, that's how I learned english. Watched cartoons nonstop. School only taught me the grammar basics, by high school I didn't have to go into english class because I had my exams done.

I don't consume enough french media for this though, only comics and the occasional music/movie. And I'm an adult now. I should find a language class and get it started, if I can just pick up the basics I could use a dictionary and extrapolate.

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I just call it "autistic software". Nobody but some virgin neckbeards actually use the bug-ridden shit that comes behind the GPL seal

>>62131840
He has to use a combination of other concepts actually named. And here freedom was defined. If he did not explained it, people could not apprehend the concept. Some concepts are hard to explain and make them not accessible not using a lot of words more or less accurate. Again: using a lot of words to explain a concept is still 'using words' to conceptualise. There is just more word for a word. You can also often develop a word in more word. But it's pyramidal, you have to apprehend every step of the concept creation to master the top concept.

>>62131840
And you can't 'spend time to express a precise concept' if you don't know a concept.
Stallman has like 'created a concept' and shared it the way he could.

>>62113892
Liberated you fuck

>>62132049
You know, at least FOSS software has all bugs exposed. You can't say the same for proprietary software.

>>62113925
>>62132149
'Liberated' would imply the software was once non-free, which doesn't apply to FOSS that was FOSS from the start.

>>62132164
FOSS software has all bugs exposed, so they can be fixed very quick and create a very mature application.
Proprietary software has all bugs. Then end. Even stupid bugs or backdoors, see wannacry. People who really want to find exploits won't be stopped by the close nature of the code at all. And still, you don't know what a proprietary software do, and can't fix it, or remove ads and spywares from it.

>>62132237
>FOSS software has all bugs exposed, so they can be fixed very quick and create a very mature application.

That doesn't mean that bugs are found. There have been critical bugs in the past that took 10+ years to notice.

Yes, closed source has similar issues, but once the bug becomes public, they get fixed the same way.

>>62132147
>Stallman has like 'created a concept'
The idea of freedom is as old as the idea of mankind. Add "but with a computer" and you've got some prime patent troll material.

>>62132204
All written media, including software, is nonfree by default. As soon as it is written it is covered by copyright, meaning that permission must be given.

>>62132426
Critical bugs in open source software tend to be made public by well-meaning individuals or security researchers doing an audit.
Critical bugs in closed source software tend to be made public by a huge ransomware attack shutting down entire nations' healthcare systems.
I'm not an advocate for "open source" as a security measure, but these are trends I've noticed.

>>62114435
This, but unironically.

>>62132764
not to support windows by any means, but the flaw that lead to wannacry having such a big impact was not the fault of MS, but the users. if users dont update vulnerable free software the same will happen, like in korea i think where companies ran linux 2.6 or something and got attacked

>>62132764
>Critical bugs in closed source software tend to be made public by a huge ransomware attack shutting down entire nations' healthcare systems.

Yeah, 5 months after patch fixes were released for them. What's your point?

>>62132661
Freedom in software
Windows and proprietary software has been very well installed. We know FOSS very well because we talk about it everyday about it.
But for normies and even 'us before we knew about it', it's hard to open your eye and start thinking : wait, I'm using Microsoft shit everyday and maybe it's not normal they have power over me because I don't have freedom in software, maybe if all software were FOSS, I wouldn't have this problem and the world would be a better place.
Well he did. And he's not looking for money, high end life nor patenting shit for trolling.
Go talk to random people in the street and ask them the benefit of free software, you'll see this is not a well spread concept.

>>62113892
Why is this guy so relevant to /g/

Sm I a fraud for not following linux and installing it everywhere?

>kek
>I'm not in programming so why use linux as main system

>>62132851
That's Richard Stallman, the founder of the Free Software Foundation, creator of the GNU Project, the author of the GPL license, and the founder of the free software movement itself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag1AKIl_2GM

>>62116919

Dutch:

>Gratis, kostenloos = free as in no money
>Vrije = free as in freedom

>>62130905
Same in dutch but the fri is vrij (Pronunciation "Fry")

Just call it gratis/libre. Either they understand what it means or they don't, in which case you can tell them what it means. It eliminates any possibility of mixing up gratis software and libre software

>>62113892
>the English language has no words to distinguish 'free speech' from 'free beer.'
But you just done it

>>62113911
>>62114531
>>62117915
>>62128558
>>62133047
>libre for free speech
>gratis for free beer

I wish we could find a way to get these two words into the public consciousness so we won't have to deal with the confusion anymore.

>>62116919
Polish:
Wolne - Free as in free speech
Darmowe - Free as in free beer

Swedish:
Fri - Free as in free speech
Gratis - Free as in free beer

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>>62113892
Oh baby creampie me

>>62116919
Russian
Бecплaтный – free as beer
Cвoбoдный – free as speech
Chinese
免费 – free as no money
自由 – free as no restictions
English is a cucked language lmao.

>>62133555
Russians have a cyka blyat. That's enough.

>freie Software
>kostenlose Software
Feels good.
When I speak about the matter in English, I usually say "free as in freedom" the first time it is mentioned, then go with free from there on as the concept is established. If there is confusion, I give a quick explanation of what software freedom is and mention that I would say "gratis" if I was referring to price.

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>>62113892
>the English language has no words to distinguish 'nonfree javascript' from 'nonfree pizza.'
>when you talk about 'nonfree pizza' and how the botnet wants you to starve, they always think you're homeless

>>62119416
Hello there! You seem to have used the term "open source".
The term "open source" was created by a group of people that did not want to be associated with the free software movement. When I say "free" software (which is one of the alternatives preferable to "open source"). It's not about price; in that case I would say "gratis", or "free as in free beer". It's about "freedom"! This is what the free software movement is fighting for.
So what is "free" software? Free software is any software that guarantees the user the four essential software freedoms:
> 0. Run the program as you wish.
> 1. Study the source code and change it so it does what you wish.
> 2. Redistribute exact copies of the program.
> 3. Distribute your modified version of the program.
Some people decided that they wanted to restrict the user; but being able to study and modify the "open source" code is not enough! This is directly hurting the cause of the free software movement because it takes away the sociological "freedom" aspect of free software and turns it into a technological one.
So for those reasons I ask that in the future you use the terms "free", "free/libre" or, if necessary "FLOSS" (short for "free/libre and open source"), though the latter should still be avoided.

>>62119416
Open source software does not necessarily respect the four essential freedoms, it only (partially) respects freedom 1, as even though you may be able to study the source code you aren't necessarily able to modify it, redistribute it, or run it without restrictions.

>>62117720
it means the same in french and spanish

>>62133889
Did you write this pasta yourself and, if not, under which license is it released?
If so, please consider freeing it. I know it's not software, but legally it is still copyrighted unless explicitly placed into the public domain.

>>62134433
Thanks for the reply. I will add a copyright note to it. I wrote it myself. Consider it in the public domain.

>>62134448
Thanks, I appreciate it~

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>>62113892
liberté de penser
logiciel libre
bière gratuite ;)

>>62113892
libre for free spreech
free for free beer

also adopt upside down question marks

>>62127723
Good luck trying to track who modifies that code. If it's open source than anyone can do it and share it with whom ever they please. What is the point of making it open source if you don't want ppl to fuck with it?

>>62116919
non-meme languages do

>>62134574
>Notre langue décrit parfaitement les logiciels libres et la liberté sur internet
>On est un des pays les plus espionnés sur internet
Kek

>>62113892
I call it American software, cause America is synonymous with liberty and freedom.
God Bless.

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>>62135031
fallait voter Mélenchon

>>62134987
>What is the point of making it open source if you don't want ppl to fuck with it?
For example, there was an encrypted messaging app or something similar which was "published source" only because no one will ever trust a binary-only encryption app.

>>62115759
Thiccy-Man

>>62113971
Tää.

輝かしい日本語で「自由」も「無料」もある
英語を競れさえない

>>62135319
大好き~

>>62121197
I'm aware they are different, and like I said you can bring them both up if a full conversation is had. They're not so different that you can use one to lead immediately into the other. Have you never actually had to introduce someone to a new concept? The best way to do it is to start off with the most accessible and least confusing language.

>>62113971
>Supera lingvo
>Prenas milojn da horoj fariĝi flue

i thought foss is also free of charge software.
its not my fault all the foss software are also free of charge
half the foss shit you talk about are free alternative to paid ones like gimp and shit
maybe make a paid foss and then rave about it for a year or two so people know the difference
also, english suck balls, russian for the win

>tfw in pszek language "free as in freedom" is the same word as "slow"
>slow software
Around polacks, never relax