/pcbg/ - PC Building General - GPU war Edition

Amd

>Vega is shit
topkek

How much until 8gb RAM isn't enough for gaming?

>>62052552
Just get a mobo with more than 1/2 RAM slots

I got a mobo with two opteron 6172. The mobo needs 2 8pin power sources. Most probably 32GB DDR3-1333 ram and a GTS 250 (found somewhere in another old computer). PSU calculator said to get at least 550W (I'd buy at least 600W then). The case is very large, so long cables are needed. What power supply do you recommend for this setup?

>>62052552
A few years maybe. Although it's not like it'll be a hard requirement anyway

>>62052451
AMD is way cuter and doesn't look like a holocaust survivor.

>>62052649
>implying small skinny asian isn't the best kind

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>>62052707
>being this much of a faggot

I have a noctua thermal paste should i use it over the stock r5 1600 thermal paste?

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>>62052858

Stock thermal pastes are generally pretty good quality stuff. Even Intel doesn`t skimp on it, or at least didn`t a while back.

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>>62052707

Titasians are best asians,

>>62052707
Asians are gross in general

>>62053033

3dpd are gross, but sometimes I got to compromise with my dick.

>>62052935
Ok then, also how often should i reapply thermal paste

>>62053108

After 5000 miles, or when the temps are getting high, or when this does not apply, read the damn manual.

Should I pull the trigger now on a r5 1600 combo (mobo, cpu and ram) or wait for coffe lake i5 and compare. How many more weeks do we need to wait for benchmarks? I can't seriously stand any more my i5 2500 (non k) in games. But I don't wan to buy the r5 and then get buyers remorse if the new intel offerings are better or AMD just drops the prices.

>>62053142
lmao ok thnx

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Does it matter if I OC a ryzen5 1600 above 3.8Ghz with a gtx 1060 6gb? To OC above 3.8 I'd need aftermarket cooling and it might be useless if the GPU is the weaklink and not the CPU.

>>62053387
The difference is pretty small so I wouldn't bother.

>>62053387
it would certainly be a waste of your time to overclock it with that GPU if all you're doing is gaming

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gJwwsJ
Would this build work even with a trash gpu carried over from my old machine, or should i just keep waiting for them to come back down?

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>>62052451
>8700K is certain to be the fastest gaming CPU, will be competitive in productivity tasks vs 8-core Ryzen.

Thoughts on a refurbished monitor?

>>62052451
Girl 2 is thinner than AMDs profit margins. Girl 1 a best.

R8 my $550 complete gaming pc with freesync ips

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DWmdRG

GPU crash when please god

>>62052451
>AMD respectfully dresses women in stylish yet flattering dresses, with minimal branding, and even empowers them to speak their mind and provide their female insight by equipping them with a microphone
>Nvidia degrades its women with skimpy dresses and brands their skin as if they were cattle

this is why I support AMD

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>>62053814
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/B4JCYr
oops

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>>62053835
>getting a 1070 but that shitty monitor

>>62053512
i just copied the OP without reading it. i'd remove that line if i noticed it. sorry.

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> Gigabyte GTX1080 + Destiny2 for 480bucks
> gigabyte GTX1070 for 420

I only have a 1080p monitor but i guess that's a good deal, right?

Also will my unoverclocked 4770k be enough for the card if i decide to buy a new monitor?

>>62053835
soon Goy, it happened in 2013 and the R9 prices were dirt cheap at that time.

>>62053936
the 1080 is effectively the same price as the 1070 according to your deal. Yes, get the 1080, and the 4770k should be definitely enough if you don't intend to "hurr durr max evera thang".

>>62054084
will battlenet damage my pc hardware?

>>62053835
>led cooler
nice meme. get CRYORIG H7 instead.
also faster ram, 3000mhz or more, in dual channel (2x4gb)

>>62053936
i'd get the gtx 1080. both are an overkill for 1080p. your 4770k will do fine in any resolution, consider overclocking it though.

>>62053814
>>62053874
you should go with b250 instead of h270, unless you specifically need some of the functions.
get ram in dual channel.

>>62053472
imo you're overpaying for 1600x and that cooler, that extra 0.2GHz isn't worth it.
why that ssd? you can have 500gb m.2 for $150. not worth paying $50 extra for higher numbers in synthetic benchmarks.

you can use your old gpu in the meantime.

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>>62054115
>will battlenet damage my pc hardware?
literally wut?

>>62053936
4770k will last longer then a 1080ti.

Just grab a 1080

>>62054163
my gtx 770 died one day after installing origin for the first time (bad company 2 ran through steam)

could be coincidence...

>>62054292
absolutely a coincedence

>>62054115
yes its a virus reformat immediately

>>62053512
Ello jewish revealing man

Why is 8700k a bad option? It will gaymen similar to 7700k but give two more cores for extra tasks.

>>62053148
1600 is solid as fuck. I got buyers remorse only because I realized it was too much for what I need and I don't even play vidya or stream that much anymore. Ended up giving the build to my nephews and going back to a i5-2500, oddly enough. What GPU are you using?

So my $70 used parts build isn't booting. I performed possibly the dumbest CPU test ever by removing the fan and plugging it in, then starting it up and holding a finger on the CPU to see if it heats up. The fan came on and the MOBO lights up, but the CPU doesn't heat up at all. Is the CPU the problem?

>>62053889
Yeah, he should get a Ti to match that monitor.

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>>62053835
Never ever

>>62054132
h270 was only $6 more than the cheapest b250, worth it I think. Changed ram to 2x4
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Fy7DWX

r7 360 is rated 30% above a 1030 and 30% below a 1050, should be good for e-sports eh?

>>62054340
it is not out yet and no one knows how it will perform. but my personal prediction is that it will be an overpriced stuttering housefire like the 7700k or worse.

How badly would a i5 6600k (stock) bottleneck a 1080? Should I go ahead and get a i7 6700k instead?

>>62054629
It would not

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>>62054384
did you plug the 4/6 pin CPU power cable on the motherboard? There is the fan power cable and there is the 4/6 pin cable which is supposed to power the CPU.
pic related

>>62054486
my onahole and my portable onahole are so cute

>>62054629
>How badly would a i5 6600k (stock) bottleneck a 1080?
it won't unless you play severely limited games in which case gpu rarely matters
>Should I go ahead and get a i7 6700k instead?
only if you have money burning a hole in your pocket

>>62054384
You'll need to swap the CPU with a known working CPU to know for sure. I've had that issue and it ended up being the mobo too, on some fucking shit Biostar board.

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>>62054384
>I performed possibly the dumbest CPU test ever by removing the fan and plugging it in, then starting it up and holding a finger on the CPU to see if it heats up.

>>62054665
severly cpu limited games*
i.e., total war series, planetside 2, etc

>>62054653
>>62054665
Ok thank you, my gtx 660ti is dying and it's time to upgrade lol

>NVMe SSDs aren't for a faster OS boot

Why not? Is it overkill?

>>62054616
The thing is I am in the middle of buying my parts. I have everything but the CPU and motherboard

I won't be able to return some of the stuff by the time the 8700k comes out(in a month?). Hopefully nothing is doa. But ryzen will have 2 more generations of cpus I can just add on to my current motherboard though so I might consider that.

>>62054678
I don't play those games so I think I'm.fine, thank you

>>62054696
Unless you're going for 144hz, you rarely have to get a new CPU just for the fear of bottlenecking. I'm replacing my GTX 760 with a 1080 this week and will be using an i5-3570k with it.

>>62054701
>But ryzen will have 2 more generations of cpus I can just add on to my current motherboard though so I might consider that.

You answered your own question anon, AM4 is superior for that very reason. But if you go with the 8700k then whenever you want to upgrade you have to spend $500+ for the whole MB+CPU. Don't forget that Ryzen comes with a superior cooler unlike the shit that ships with Intel.

>>62054659
I did.

>>62054670
The motherboard seems to be working fine, and I already trashed the CPU so it's too late. Of all the used shit I bought the CPU was what I expected to fail desu

>>62054744
I am assuming that. Hopefully I am making the right choice and AMD doesn't jew me in the next years.

I'll go ryzen

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How much fps / performance does one gain (in general) when moving down from say 1080p to 720p?

>Ryzen 5 1500X
>A320 2.1 Gigabyte board
>8gb ddr5 2400mhz ram
>1050 Ti
> 500ssd and 1tb HDD
>Stock everything else
>Around $780 for everything

Did I do good? Rig is running most of everything at high without an issue.

>>62054766
i also hope so anon, the shit they pulled with vega was jewy at best though.

>>62054818
get a 240 gigs SSD and upgrade to a 2 TB HDD

>>62054818
>A320
anon no

Will a 450w PSU power an FX8350 and HD7850 will no issues?

>>62054935
>FX8350
Don't overclock it and you're fine

>>62055016
I'm actually locking at 4.0 and undervolting because the MOBO I got cheap is apparently a fire hazard.

>>62054935
how about not buying fx in the current year

>>62054923

Why so?

>>62055412
its shit and for only if you are completely destitute, not overclocking, and dont want any extra features or expandablity

if you are on a budget get a b350 and save yourself the trouble

is 550w enough for a single 1080, hd + sdd, and a ryzen 5 which will probably be overclocked

>>62055623
If it's quality stuff from EVGA or Seasonic, yes.

What's a good case and mobo combo if I want to build a new small form factor, Ryzen-based gaming PC?

>>62055644
>EVGA
>not seasonic reference
>quality
lol

>>62055494

Never planned on upgrading anyhow. Runs most of everything flawlessly so far.

are qled monitors good? looking at the samsung U28H750UQE. is it better than ips?

>>62055680
pick out a form factor that's big enough for how many drives and how large you want your gpu
i usually just start with picking out a case

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>>62055845
>he actually got a a320

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when the FUCK are gpus going to drop in price? i have been waiting for months. i want to build my first gaming pc without paying my soul.
>t. xbox fag

>>62056259
What do you mean they're already at msrp?

>>62054700
Yes.
Diminishing returns.

>>62056259
They wont for a while. Give a budget mein nigger.

i just want a pc to play ow and bot some programs that is only available on windows and torrent private tracker
i need it to be small and energy efficient and quiet
should i get a desktop for this shit or a nas and figure something out for the botting?
i want to move to mac because windows is fucking all my shit up atm

>>62055346
I already have one.

>>62055412
A Tomahawk is what, $10 more?

>>62056610
Wait for Raven Ridge.

>>62056732
then throw it in the trash and get ryzen, even that shitty r3 1200 is better

>>62056772
The FX8350 is much better than any Ryzen under 7 in every area except gaming and power consumption. Besides, I only need a PSU and case which is like $50 total with that $10 EVGA 450w right now.

Where are good trustworthy places to buy a used gt 1030. Looking for cheap. Like shit cheap. Just need some cuda cores.

current setup is an x79 w/ a 4330k 16gb ram
GTX770
I mostly do linux kernel builds with it which makes the processor worth it.
I game semi regularly at 1080 @ 60hz
I'm seeing some drop in performance on newer games but other than trying to find a xenon somewhere is it worth doing any upgrading?
I have thought about a 1060/70 but with mining going on its almost seems worth getting a 9 series.

>>62052451
>>Vega is shit

Exactly why is Vega shit? Is it just because they were forced to raise the price? Blame the miners it's not AMD's fault.

>>62056259
same time that ram goes back to normal

Any advice on upgrading this PC?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9vpz99

Have had it for a couple years and it's been good to me but the GPU is dying and I think it's time to upgrade some things, CPU/GPU mostly but I will probably need a new PSU as well.

any recommended mice for a gamer/video editor
I have one now thats failing but I liked the variable dpi switch

>>62057102
Depends on what you want/budget, good mid-range that does 1080p@60hz is R5 1600 + 16gb RAM@3200 + GTX1060. So long as your PSU works you could keep it.

You could also just throw a new GPU in there but even a 1060 will probably bottleneck.

>>62056802
you what? its got worse single and 8 core performance. heat is insane and your limited with core potential because of shared resources

Why do we have two generals up?

>>62057271
to prove /g/ needs a general board

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Is this decent for just casul gaming, porn and 4chan? I dont really have the time to build anything good.

>>62057296
No. It is shit.

>>62057326
Hot nasty shit, or just bad.

>>62057338
Overpriced

>>62057345
Alright, thanks.

i just installed a new graphics card in my computer and did a fresh install of windows. youtube is only playing sound with no video. how do i fix this? i already updated my graphics drivers

>>62057420
Hardware acceleration?

>>62057469
yep that was it
why cant i use it and i missing out on anything by disabling it?

>>62057296
Try offering like $350.

>>62054776
uh almost double anon...

>>62057517
No idea. Might be drivers. Might be the browser. Might be the site. Might even be your GPU.

>i missing out on anything by disabling it
Not much. Hardware acceleration just means your CPU overloads to the GPU when streaming videos. Without it, your CPU does 100% of the work.

>>62057544
i got a vega so the drivers probably arent ripe yet

Is there any mobo that takes DDR4 RAM that is compatible with an i5-4690k? pcpartpicker is telling me no.

>>62057566
>I got a Vega
You dumb dumb fuck

>>62056903
Your card has not aged well.

>>62057567
Nope.

Right now I'm running a gtx 1080 with a freesync monitor. I hate the tearing without vsync, and hate the lag with vysync on. Would it be worth it to sell it for a vega 56? Even though I know it's more comparable to a 1070, I feel like it would feel a lot smoother since I have a freesync monitor. The only other option is to sell the monitor and go gsync, but if that's the case I wouldn't do it until I could afford something like a predator x34

>>62057567
the 4960k cant use ddr4, its a socket limitation

>>62057582
:^)

>>62057599
What games are you playing it on that you are experiencing tearing?
On what setting? Monitor specs?

And as for the question, the answer is a resounding No.

>>62057596
>>62057600
Damn shame, I need a new mobo but I think my cpu is still fine and if I'm gonna spend money on a mobo I'd want to get a newer one.
You guys think I can get away with selling this cpu I have and put those funds towards an i7-7700k and new mobo?

>>62057621
I am amazed at how incompetent some people in this thread are. You don't know the clearest symptom of bad hardware acceleration and somehow bought a Vega? What did you buy an i5 to go with that Vega?

>>62057638
Old CPUs are only worth selling if you sell them together with their mobo. No one is going to buy a second hand CPU and then waste time finding a compatible socket.

>>62057624
The monitor is only 2560x1080/75hz, so it's safe to say that almost every game I play at that resolution with a 1080 is getting more than 75fps and causing tearing. And even ones running under 75fps still don't look great without adaptive sync

>>62057638
you may as well just wait for coffin lake or zen2 at this point

>>62057652
Thing is my mobo is fucked, two ram slots are bad. Think I can get some good goyim to give me shekels for it?

>>62057654
What is the adaptive sync range of that monitor? Because if it is narrow, it is not like using Vega56 will help. Try using MSI afterburner to limit your FPS and see if it helps.

>>62057673
Only if you outright state that the thing is living on borrowed time. Otherwise it may come bite you in the ass.

>>62057673
No. Unless you find some retarded goyim.

>>62057696
That's the plan
>>62057690
Of course

>>62056925
I think it's because people expected more. Maybe with driver updates it'll get better but I think most people expected something close to a 1080 Ti out of it, instead it barely competes with a 1080 and with much higher power usage. Granted, its compute capability it huge for its nominal price but most consumers don't give a shit about that.

>>62056925
>Louder
>Hotter
>More expensive
>Worse performance
>AMD typical drivers
It is bad for all the reason that i5 is bad compared to Ryzen. It only saving grace is "compute" just like intel only saving grace is "gaymen".

>>62057684
I think it's 30-75

>>62057735
That is a good range. For what it is worth, it is clear that you are using your 1080 for stuff beneath what a 1080 can handle so you won't be missing much if you move to Vega. Good luck getting one tho.

>>62057758
>it is clear that you are using your 1080 for stuff beneath what a 1080 can handle

Ya that's the thing, I originally had an rx 480 which was a perfect card for that resolution, but with the mining boom I sold it for $480 and essentially got a free upgrade to a gtx 1080. I figured giving up freesync would be fine since the 1080 would consistently be putting out high framerates, and at that point I was sick of waiting for Vega, but I really miss the smoothness of freesync

>>62057790
Dual monitor setups are cool and getting a Gsync monitor with 144hz is pretty neat. Otherwise, at least wait for the AiB Vegas.

>>62052451
is it bad time to build a pc right?

my i5 4560 and 750 ti is still holding up

>Buy open box 1080 Ti Gaming X for $675
>it came with code for Destiny 2
wew
never heard of it but I hope its good

>>62058048
Yes.

>>62058088
It is not. It is an mmorpg is the style of warframe. Sell the code for like 60 bucks while you still can.

>>62058088
It's like a less cringe Borderlands.

https://videocardz.com/72190/asus-shows-off-rog-strix-radeon-rx-vega-56

Will these be moderately priced once they come out or will cryptomorons gobble them up like previous strix models

>>62058570
Asus models always come with a premium. Now add that with a Vega tax and it won't be cheap at all. I expect 1080 prices for the 56.

What the fuck vega is fucking 1226 US dollars in my country. What the fuck are they thinking?

>>62058690
Which country?

>>62058738
Poland, but nvm I think it's some bug on the website, because they don't even have any specs or photo. Just the price for gigabyte rx64 8gb. Also checked some other store and they have it much cheaper than what I was expecting. If only it wasn't so fucking bad.

Really retarded question here but when building a pc do I need to separately buy a wired Network adapter? Or does another part already typically come with one?

>>62058823
This isn't 90s anymore, all motherboards have onboard one.

>>62058815
Why would you want to buy a Vega in the first place?

>>62058839
Okay good I wasn't sure if I had to spend more money or not. Thanks.

>>62058844
I was just checking out of curiosity. I know it's shit so I'm not really buying it.

What is a rog strix GPU

>>62058975
GPU with Asus top of the line cooler.

>>62058985
Oh, cool. I guess i'll try and pick the vega 56 one before it's sold out.

>>62058975

It is ASUS' own line of GPUs that features custom coolers and compatible with Asus' own Aura Sync RGB

>>62059001
Protip: You are not going to get one.

>>62059034
Eh, i could've gotten the founder 64 for MSRP, because i had amazon prime. As long as they don't sell out in literal seconds i can.

>>62059055
They will sell out in literal seconds.

>>62059069
You from the future?

>>62059075
Vega56 is supposed to be the one that reviewed well vs the 64. And ASUS is the top of the line cooler which everyone wants to get since the Vega runs hotter.

Not that you should be getting a Vega in the first place anyway.

>>62059087
I'll just take my chances i guess.

https://nz.pcpartpicker.com/user/Dubzac/saved/#view=ZXMnnQ

what does /g/ think of this project HTPC

Are the featured builds on pc part picker retarded? I remember when I built my last PC ( right after sandy bridge came out) that spending more than ~900 was just overkill and wasting money but there's a ton of $1200+ rigs on pc part picker. Did something change? Is it the meme coin miners?

What are the common price brackets that I should be aiming for now?

>>62059585
$120 video cards are selling for $160-$200.
$180 video cards are selling for $300-$400.

Crypto miners fucked everything up.

>>62059619
you forgot ram prices went up as well.

>>62059619
>>62059630
also lets pretend there is more flooding or something and there are no more nand for ssd's

>>62059585
Most of them go for a build with a GTX 1080. Even cutting corners, a $500-600 card will likely push costs past $1k. If 1080p@60Hz is all you want, there's plenty of 1060 builds that comes in under $900.

>>62059619
How come amd and nvidia wont supply more cards

>>62059658
Shortage of NAND is due to phone niggers fucking it up for everyone.

>>62059717
because miners buy at higher prices anyway

>>62059717
Because they learn their mistakes from the last mining boom from bitcoin. Both companies ramped up production and then suddenly no one wanted to mine anymore due to increase in difficulty. What happened was that there was an increase in production capabilities that was now useless and there was a flood of 2nd hand GPUs into the market that further damaged the sales of first hand cards.

>>62056925
Overpriced

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Is there a way to clean old thermal paste without isopropyl alcohol? I live in Russia and apparently they drink it up here so I can't find it anywhere

>>62059858
Head to your local pharmacy and gets those alcohol swabs. You can use them. If they are the 70% variant then wipe it with a cloth afterwards to remove the remaining water and let it dry before applying new paste.

>>62059858
baby wipes

>>62059884
btw if you going to use baby wipes make sure they are semi dry.

>>62059858
Vodka will do the job too.

>>62059913
i'll use a small dab of the vodka on a cotton bud and use that to peel off the thermal paste with.

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I made a thread, but I may as well ask in here as well

So im installing windows on a brand new PC, anf everything goes fine until I get to pic related, then I lose mouse and keyboard functionality. Everything ive seen online is all about getting stuck on it, im not. It get to the part that asks what language you want and I cant move my mouse or use my keyboard. I saw thing about plug it into a usb 2.0 port because windows 7 doesnt have usb 3.0 drivers right out of the box, but my motherboard doesnt have any 2.0 ports. I tried plugging a junk port into one of the usb 2.0 slots on the motherboard, but still no go. Only other thing to try would be a ps/2 mouse and keyboard, but I have neither.

>>62057584
*sigh* I know, I picked up new in 13
But I did spring for the asus non-reference model and its done well until the last few months. Doom kind of puts a load on it.
And I'd like something that doesn't draw 300 freaking watts.

>>62059950
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3189990/windows/microsoft-blocks-kaby-lake-and-ryzen-pcs-from-windows-7-81-updates.html

Ryzen or Kaby?

>>62059966
ryzen.

1700x

>>62059880
Yes, they are 70% and also really pricey
>>62059904
>>62059884
damn, they all are wet
>>62059913
I'll try that and (>>62059880) just get rid of the water later, thanks guys

>>62059966
>>62059972
Also this isnt about updates, its a fresh install, it INSTALLED, but I cant get past that screen because keyboard and mouse stop working

>>62059972
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11182/how-to-get-ryzen-working-on-windows-7-x64

These are the solutions. Otherwise you are SoL.

>>62059980
>Yes, they are 70% and also really pricey
https://www.amazon.com/COVIDIEN-Curity-Alcohol-Sterile-Medium/dp/B019BV13CM/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1503553951&sr=8-7&keywords=alcohol+wipes

200 pieces for like 5 bucks. Sure this is USD and US but I doubt Russia has hyper inflated Alcohol wipes.

>>62059981
Yes. These new updates include the USB drivers for your new mobo which are blocked. Hence why your USB ports aren't working.

>>62059984
>>62060010
So in other words a ps/2 mouse/keyboard cable is my solution?

I fucking hope so. Also, its just a single port, so will a Y cable work?

>>62060010
>>62060028
Also, this PC isnt even connected to the net yet, so I am not getting what "updates" have to do with this.

>>62060028
>>62060039
In general yes. That should be the easiest way to solve the problem. A bit more googling should turn up more complicated methods to install Win7 USB drivers.

You don't have to connect it to the net to install updates. Win7 comes with it own set of preset drivers that naturally install to give your motherboard basic functionality. These drivers are not installed and are being blocked. Hence why your USB ports aren't working. Your windows 7 isn't download new updates to block you out. It simply doesn't install even the basic drivers due to the new CPUs.

>>62060063
Fucking hate modern PC bullshit.

OK, well, Y splitter it is then...wanted to get this shit done tonight, and was happy as hell that I got everything hooked up, and so far it hasnt blown up or caught fire (the nvidia 1080ti might though in the near future) and windows even got installed, but this.....

This is too much.

And sorry if im snappy, usually when I read or hear "windows updates", its the DL kind, not the right off the USB install kind....

>>62060101
Old PC bullshit was real, too. There was this nice sweet spot some years ago where everything was okay then it immediately went downhill.

>>62060101
Blame MS being jews and Intel and AMD caving in to the jews. Also I am not 100% sure a Y-splitter can work but you can try. Googling Ryzen and W7 also turns up a lot of pages which might help you

>>62060109
Yeah, I know....I fried my fair share of hard drives getting to where I am now. Started with fucking VISTA and somehow wrangled a stable working OS out of it, even with bullshit ricing and other frivolous things on it.

>>62060119
Believe me, at this point the entire industry are swarthy gentleman with curly hair and big noses as far as I am concerned. After the fiasco that was AMD sucking the dicks of bit miners (thats what pushed me to give nvidia a shot this time around), im half tempted to just give up on all of it and get a fucking tablet.

>>62060139
Tablet can't game tho. Why get a 1080ti otherwise?

>>62060119
Also, reason I say splitter is because the port is one of those "two in one" ports, so what, either use KB OR mouse then?

>>62060149
Exactly, I was just joking.

Mostly.

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>>62057707
It has unfinished drivers. It has HBM. It draws a ton of power for some reason. The chance of surprise buttsex against 1080 ti is not out of the question if you consider AMD's track record. RX 480 started off as a piece of shit barely better than a 970 and now it's actually pretty good and better than a 980 ti. At least it would be pretty good if you could get one for what they were originally sold at. If not for the mining craze they would have come down in price and would have been the go to mainstream card for a while now.

>>62060150
And of course all the splitters im finding are USB to ps/2.

Fuck.

>>62060150
Use a mouse and onscreen keyboard for now. When you can access W7, go and download the USB drivers for W7 and then you can use the USB 3.0 ports on your motherboard and plug in your keyboard. Read >>62059984
and scroll down to the USB driver part.

The issue now is W7 not having drivers automatically and you can't install them due to your lack of mouse/keyboard. Shouldn't be an issue once you get USB drivers installed.

>>62060169
>RX 480 started off as a piece of shit barely better than a 970 and now it's actually pretty good and better than a 980 ti
Yeah fuck off AMD shill. In what world is a 580 better than 980ti? Much less a 480?

>>62060149
>tfw have surface tablet and never use it at home because there's no point
It's pretty dope though on the go, wish there was some touch-enabled turn-based game that worked well on it, I'd play it all the time.

>>62060190
Can I get the OSK to work before windows even fully first loads? Like I said, I havent even gotten past that initial "setup is preparing......." screen. I get to the "pick your language" part and im dead in the water.

Like is there a win command for that? I know, thats probably basic bitch knowledge but I always do things the hard way instead of key commands so I dont know a lot of them.

>>62060215
If you can't get the OSK to work then just plug in your keyboard and use tab to navigate the options. Should be simple enough given the menus. Switch to a mouse once you hit the desktop.

>>62060206
the one in which it's equivalent or better than a 1060 which is also better than a 980 ti

If you can't get an 8gb RX 580, is a 6gb GTX 1060 a reasonable replacement for gaming?

>>62060243
Yeah, thats probably what im going to do.

Is there even such a thing anymore as the two different ps/2 adapters? Like the green for mouse/purple for keyboard, or are they all universal now? Or should I just say fuck it and buy a ps/2 keyboard as they are like $12 on newegg?

>>62060266
http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-980-Ti-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1060-6GB/3439vs3639

Scroll all the way down to the games portion. The 1060 is absolutely fucking NOT better than the 980ti you cockmongler. The 580 isn't even that much better than the 1060 according to this article release on May https://www.techspot.com/review/1393-radeon-rx-580-vs-geforce-gtx-1060/
So unless AMD release some secret sauce Drivers which they promised for Vega (but didn't deliver like always) for the Polaris, what you are saying is 100% bullshit.

>>62060305
Color coding is only for ease of identification. They have no bearing on actual use.

>>62060320
old data

Ok, help me out. This guy is selling a Clevo laptop (>inb4) for $800. It costs $1200 new. He says it's just opened, installed windows and played around a little. What's the catch and how do I make sure 100% it's ok when I go over to check it?

Specs:
i7-7700HQ the standard laptop stuff
Nvidia GTX 1050Ti
16gb DDR4 2400 RAM (probably some high CL, don't know)
250gb SSD

>inb4 laptop
I spend 8hrs a day programming at work with 4 different servers open and all kinds of stuff. My current piece of shit is constantly freezing. Give me a break.

>>62060362
>Old data
Hey mongrel. You want to call it old data fine? But you better produce some new data to back up your statement or you can fuck off right. This thread has enough AMD retards as it is.

>>62060302
Yeah, pretty similar performance between the two.

>>62060370
Make sure it is working. Ask about warranty details. Call company to make sure warranty is legit aka it is not stolen shit that can come back to bite your ass.

>>62060392
Jesus, stolen shit is MY responsibility? Or do you mean it would get taken away and I'd just lose the $800?

>>62060424
What would get taken away? What laptop are you talking about? You don't own a laptop.

>>62060424
It would actually be confiscated from you if they bust the guy. But I dunno. Who fukn steals a laptop that isn't apple.

>>62060424
Yes. That is one of the better scenarios. Worst case is that it is assumed you are the thief.

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My dad's PC has pretty decent specs (4590 & 980Ti) but is deathly slow because it uses a HDD. He uses botnet 10 and whenever something breaks and I have to fix it, it's the absolute worst thing on the entire planet waiting 45 minutes for windows to start-up and shut down and run updates and such.

I've never run a system with combined SSD + HDD storage before so sorry if it's a stupid question, but simply installing the OS to a cheap 32GB SSD will fix all this, right? Like it would start-up, shutdown and run updates just as fast as if it only had an SSD?

>>62060564
Yes. But you must manually route all the folders like my music, my videos etc to your HDD or everything there is going to be stored on your SSD.

>>62060581
ty senpai, I'll have to look into spanned volumes and folder links and all this shit to see whats the best option, I'm no good with storage.

>>62060620
It is pretty simple. Install SSD. Install OS. Go to desktop. Click on libraries, route all the places you store files on to your HDD (my documents, my music, my videos etc). Done. Should take 1/2 an hour at most.

Would the Z270-HD3 have any trouble running two 1080s with a i7-7700K?

Still hunting for the perfect case for this rebuild.

>>62060694
No

>>62060712
>>62060712
Really? A motherboard doesn't need SLI built into it to work?

>>62060727
Most games these days don't support SLI.

>>62060727
Oh it has Xfire support but no SLI support. So yeah it won't run 2 1080.

>>62060745
I mean, if that's the reason you're doing it. I heard something about NVidia dropping support for SLI. So future games won't be benefiting much if at all.

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>>62060745
Fair enough.

>>62060748
Well fugg. What's the most powerful card I can get for running 2 of in a Z270-HD3 with XFire then?

>>62060755
DX12 moves SLI support primarily on the shoulders of game developers so you know they won't bother with that shit. Too few people use multiple GPUs for it to be cost-effective, plus most of them half-ass PC versions anyway.

>>62060766
Probably 2 Vega64

Q: I bought a 550W gold-rated EVGA PSU. How much should I realistically be able to draw before I run into issues? I want to play things safe.

>>62060792
How hyperbolic is the OP saying it's shit?

>>62060793
100%. Good PSU can spike above 550W no problem but don't expect it to output above 550W for long periods of time.

>>62060811
Okay. So like 350W per PCPP if I load the fucker with like 4 HDDs and a monster OC'd card is fine then.

>>62060793
Good PSU's can often draw more than they are rated at for a while without issue. There's no reason you can't use a 550W PSU in a system pulling precisely 550W.

Feel free to use a wall meter and see what your usage is, unless you're using Vega and and OC'd CPU or something you probably aren't getting close to 500W these days anyway.

>>62060816
Yes

>>62060820
Also forgot to mention a wall meter thing will read high because the PSU wastes electricity. So if you're pulling 500W from the wall it's probably more like 420W your system is actually using, or around that.

>>62060807
It's at the level of the r9 200s when they didn't have good drivers. You're going to have to wait years for it to get good.

>>62060807
Vega is a joke. Take a look at the performance, pricing, availability, noise, thermals and power draw and make a decision for yourself. It simply isn't competitive.

Maybe if Vega 64 launched a year ago when 980Ti was still the king it would have made a splash, but now it's just shit. Days after Vega launched Nvidia came out and said 'Pascal is unstoppable, we're delaying Volta', they could have just said 'Vega is shit, we're delaying Volta'.

>>62060845
Between
>one 1080
>two 1080s with no SLI
>two Vega64s with XFire
which one is better?

>>62060807
Not at all. On its own it is somewhat decent outside of the horrendous power draw and noise from reference cooler.

Compared to the competition. There is literally no reason to get a Vega unless you
1. Are a AMD fanboy
2. Already own an expensive Freesync Monitor
3. Want to mine shit / compute shit
4. Want to scam fire insurance

>>62060884
Why aren't you just picking 1080 Ti.

>>62060884
Single card setups > Dual card setups.
Xfire and SLI are fucking garbage.

>>62060884
>two vegas with xfire
You trying to fraud your insurance company or something? Keep a fire extinguisher close by if you do this

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>>62060896
>>62060900
>>62060905
Only one 1080Ti it is then.

Thanks anons!

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>>62052552
I thought 16 was the standard already.
That said, when won't 16GB be enough for gaming?

>>62062151
In 10 years probably.

How much can i OC a single fan msi aero 10606 gb? Is it worth it to pay 25$ more for a dual fan model?

>>62056802
>except gaming and power consumption
adn effiecentcy
and features
and actually having true cores instead of fake halfcores

just face it the worst ryzen > the """best""" FX

>>62057102
ryzen

>>62057284
/g/ isnt high traffic enough to justify it

a theoretical /gg/ would be a fucking ghost town

>>62062982
pls respond

>>62057642
Stop sperging out, if he got a vega 56 then its good because it is genuinely faster than the 1070 and near/beating the 1080 and is even more efficient if you are good with undervolting, vega 56 at least should be in the recommendations alongside the 1070 or above it given its available for like 400-450.

>>62063619
If you are to dumb to overclock a nvidia babby card for jr. overclockers then you really don't belong here

>>62057271
>no /pcbg/ thread for a few hours
>make one with a cute girl like i usually do
>some fag decides to also make one 10min later
idk maybe someone is offended by females in the OP.

>>62062982
literally just fucking google a review.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_1060_aero_itx_review,37.html
it's probably loud as fuck after oc

>>62063745
Thank you

How accurate is pcpartpickers wattage estimation? It;s hard to believe this is just 300 W https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TxXs2R

>>62064171
1060 is not that hungry so it's pretty accurate.

>>62064171
that particular 1080 is out of stock
they cant add that on to it

>>62064259
*1060

>>62064171
>DDR4-2133
>DDR4-2133
>DDR4-2133

>>62064259
Gainward - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB Video Card 30W - 120W

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is this fucked or something? why does it only say 666mhz

>>62064272
fug I was sure I got 3200
>>62064259
it's taken into account as 120W

>>62064360
DDR stands for DOUBLE DATE RATE
Take that 666mhz and multiple it by 2.

Reposting from other thread maybe someone can help a brother out

Do dual monitor setups usually lag? I got a 1080 gtx yesterday (upgrade from a 970) and got a 144hz monitor as well (VG248 from Asus). Now I kept my old monitor as well (s24c300) that runs 60hz max. Im connected on the 144hz screen with a dvi and the samsung with an hdmi cable. The issue is that whenever i transfer windows between screens or just shake/resize the windows i get a ton od lag and the cpu usage goes to about 50% (i5 6600k). If I dont do anything its fine. I have the latest drivers and all that jazz. Ive also tried setting hz to 120 to match the 60hz but it only helps a little bit and the lag is still noticable. Anyone know have an idea of whats going on?

>>62064377
>DOUBLE DATE RATE
Freudian typo

1080ti price drop WHEN?

>>62065414
Literally never.

>>62064834
Update GPU drivers?

>>62065414
Why would Nvidia drop prices?

>>62064360
Your RAM kit is possessed.

>>62065590
Because hurr

>>62063745
>/gg/
Make it happen

>>62063657
Vega 56 is good, 64 is shit.

>>62063583
Ignore the bulldozer apologists

>>62060884
SLI and XFire are dead in the water.