>he's fine with buying older refurbs >as long as

>>62049254
In what case I should run Linux if I can stay with macOS?

they are overpriced even used. you pay for the apple name

>>62049270
Okay show me a solid metal ThinkPad with a 2k display and NVM SSD for $600

Anyone else remember the Nvidia graphics issues with these? Fuck that

>>62049254
Why would I unironically buy a useless fashion toy when I could have a W520 with a great display, fairly modern quadcore CPU, a great keyboard and trackpoint which is also easy to service and durable?

>>62049280
that doesn't exist and you know it.

>>62049306
That's the point dumbass, that's what you're paying for. Totally fair for a $600 asking price

>>62049280
not even 1st gen mbp goes for that much. try $800 for the shittiest condition.

>>62049280
Right after you show me a rugged MacBook with an i7, no-glare touchscreen with Wacom active stylus, upgradeable 8GB of RAM, and the ability to use an external GPU for $400

>>62049280
>chink shit aluminum
>solid metal

>>62049280

Why would I want a laptop that dents and bends?

>>62049329
show me a plastic macbook with decent screen and modern hardware.

it's almost as if there is different hardware to fit different needs. like where a businessman doesn't need top of the line monitor to write documents.

>>62049254
Because the 2012 tn thinkpad is going to be 1/3-1/2 the price, still run OSX with minimal fuss, and it will usually be docked anyways

>>62049358
Dents and bends > creaks and snaps

>professional grade
They're no different from other consumer laptop brands. The only actual difference is that the case is shinier. For every "stop crying you neckbeard" lecture on /g/ there are a hundred horror stories on normie media about how their MBP exploded for no reason. Keep in mind that aside from phones, people tend to treat Apple electronics with obsessive care; the only reason Apple customer service has a positive rep is because it's cheaper to just give people fresh replacements than to try to fix what isn't meant to be repaired.
Unfortunately, because company hardware choices are decided by clueless middle managers, more companies are trying to copy Apple's business model and market their own shitty consumer laptops as mobile workstations dressed up as bad Apple ripoffs. So I guess it's a moot point because all laptops suck now.

>>62049435
Name even one consumer notebook with a laminated 5K display

Hard mode: for less than $2,000

>>62049254
I swapped my T530 from an i5 to an i7 in under 5 minutes.

I repair Macs at work. They are unfucking repairable, parts are expensive, and 60+ screws to get at anything that matters.
Whoops, it's all soldered.

>>62049487
Repair a MacBook Pro:
>unscrew bottom 6 screws
>lift off bottom panel
>repair

Repair ThinkPad:
>unscrew bottom 17 screws
>place them carefully on a diagram since they're all different lengths and sizes
>carefully rerout the display and fan cables so as not to damage them
>remove the entire keyboard and bottom case / palm rest
>unscrew 6 more screws to remove all metal and plastic protection flaps
>repair

Yeah macfags truly suffer

>>62049517
>Repair a MacBook Pro:
>>unscrew bottom 6 screws
>>lift off bottom panel
>>repair

>repair

BUT YOU FUCKING CAN'T!

>>62049464
There are none.
Absolutely none.

>>62049517
>Repairing a MacBook newer than 2012
S O L D E R E D

>>62049254
my 2011 thinkpad that was $150 has the same specs as your retina pro

>>62049587
Wow how'd you solder an SSD and install a 2k display? iFixit selling new parts?

>>62049254
Do you even know who the CEO of apple is?

>>62049598
>solder an SSD
SATA exists, not every laptop has non-replacable parts
>2k display
That's worth $700 to you?

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>>62049464
>oh god this display is only 4k, my eyes are burning

>>62049598
what would soldering your ssd on accomplish? I replaced my 3g modem card with an msata SSD. also I don't use a peasant 2k display mine is a 4k ips panel from alienware and it was only $120

>>62049626
The guy who blocked FBI backdoors while Lenovo was busy building them into the ThinkPads for China?

>>62049677
you mean the guy who announced that he was blocking the FBI backdoors to gain public favour but then behind the scenes was actually helping them and then got assassinated by russia because of it?

>>62049634
>>62049669
>poorfags don't understand soldered Flash SSDs are faster

>>62049669
>4k IPS panel
>Alienware
>$120
Fuck Apple and all it stands for, but you're bullshitting.

>>62049677
Except those backdoors existed the entire time, were already being used, and the whole story was a bullshit narrative by a media that worships Apple like a church.
Granted, Lelnovo is no better, but even chinkpad fantards will acknowledge that.

>>62049691
>flash SSDs are faster
>only NVMe is faster than SATAIII

>>62049345
What laptop are you referring to? Thinkpad x220t?

>>62050143
That, or the X230t

seeing this topic just after browsing for a macbook retina from 2015. 600$ at best for 3 year old hardware. none of the offers was free from significant signs of (ab)use.

>>62050174
>not even fhd

I'm just not a faggot.

>>62049345
>>62050174
>no-glare touchscreen with Wacom active stylus, upgradeable 8GB of RAM, and the ability to use an external GPU for $400
All that for $400?

>>62049254
Whats the best model year for the "older" mac book pro?

>>62050664
2012, still overpriced of course.

>>62050457
Again, it's the ONE comprimise in the entire laptop. You can also connect a 4k to a PCI/EC eGPU for desktop-level power.

>>62050625
Yes. X220 Tablet with a Sandy Bridge i7, 8GB of RAM (Upgradeable to 16GB), and ExpressCard (which you can get a GPU dock for for $50) is $300 on Ebay right now.

Ivy Bridge i7 in the X230 Tablet is only $90 or so more, and nets you double the RAM upgradeability.

>>62050678
x220t likes to be a gay dick eater and randomly click when plugged into power though

>>62050715
What?
Seems like a problem with your specific model, or a problem pulled out of your ass.

>>62049268
Personal preference?

>>62049345
MacBook Pro 2011 minus the Wacom pad

>>62050746
Pretty common problem on a lot of them as they get older.

>>62049568
Then what is Linus Grossman doing?

>>62050777
Mine works fine.

>>62050774
>no anti-glare touchscreen
dropped

>>62050774
>Majority of options on Ebay are more than 400 USD
The ones that aren't are broken, missing parts or have a shitty OS.

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>>62049587
So current gen non U i7 CPU with Iris iGPU, x40-70 series GPU, NVMe SSD, 2880x1800 IPS screen, backlit keyboard, 802.11ac, USB3 and 2x Thunderbolt ports?

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>>62050835
>Asking for touchscreen when you have goat multi-touch trackpad
Are you serious?

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>>62050856
Literarily 4th one that ones that popped up on ebay and it has been upgraded to hold 2HDD/SSDs and guy even throws in a USB DVD drive. Show me that Thinkpad.

>>62049464
There are no 5k laptops at all in Human History, moron.
>hurr show me a unicorn

>>62051058
That isn't 400$, anon.

>>62051120
Just like the Thinkpad you/he was talking about.

>>62051078
There are 5K iMacs "macs are just overpriced consumer shit" that cost less than two grand.

That doesn't exist in the consumer market, especially PC consumers. Try to find even a 5K monitor 27" that price, you can't. Yet Apple gets you the entire machine too

>>62050895
I like how you have to mention 802.11ac, usb 3.0, and a shitty nvme solid state drive like those are major game changers or anything hard to install.

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>>62049254
I don't like the keyboard or track pad

>>62051177
my thinkpad is only 6 years old :_)

>>62051139
>5k LAPTOP

Mong.

>>62051139
Let's try this again, read slowly this time:
>There are no 5k laptops at all in Human History, moron.

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>>62051058
>>62051136
>britbong

>>62051139
>imac
>laptop

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>>62051172
I like your scavenger mentality of buying junk and investing even more money to make it capable of handling any legitimate work.

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>>62049254
Because besides the abysmal TN panel, the laptop is great. I will never buy something that you can't service, pic related.

>>62051269
and yet it's still cheaper to be a tech scavver

>>62049430
>Dents and bends > creaks and snaps

You can buy cheap replacement covers from Ali Express.

>>62051233
Looks like a decent deal tbqh minus lack of storage if you're fine with Windows because I can't image any of the extra stuff working under Linux.

>>62051302
Maybe if your time is cheap enough to cover the difference.

How about buy both? I have a MacBook Air 2014 and a Thinkpad t420. They both have their individual uses.
My MBA (11 inch) is good for on the go with fast boot up, and quick internet browsing. The trackpad touch gestures are really good, long battery life, and the laptop has a quality feel to it.
The Thinkpad is rugged, but heavy. It's more of a desktop replacement for real work. I can run vitrual machines, heavy internet browsing, play lower spec games (I don't), and it's about the same speed as my old q6600 desktop. The fingerprint sensor is great too. The Thinkpad does have its cons; the screen entirely sucks, the trackpad isn't too good, and the clit tends to keep moving after guiding the mouse with it, and the speakers are shit.
If I had to recommend one though it's definitely the Thinkpad without question. MacOS app store is shit.

>>62051303
You can buy a replacement sturdy aluminum chassis cheap off eBay. Only you know, it won't creak and snap

Because even if i install GNU/Linux distro, then proprietary botnet is still here on Retina Pro or iMac

>>62049254
well I got a 2012 mbp (non-retina) for 300 EUR...
And yes, RAM, harddrive and battery are user-replaceble and upgradedable.

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>>62049254
Why would you unironically buy exploding overheating macshit when you could have a Thinkpad?

>>62051356
A dollar a minute ain't cheap

>>62049254
they can't use libreboot (except for one really old one)

>>62050810
>Linus
did you do that on purpose

>>62051332
The wacom should work under linux, my x61t did, but the rotation toggle button was a bit of a pain to set up right.

>>62051955
Sure thing, big boy.

>>62051332
It all works fine... ThinkPads are the most-supported laptops. Have you ever looked at the LibreBoot compatibility list? People love these computers.

>>62051332
>Lack of storage
$5 caddy, $40 hard drive
>Compatibility in Linux
extremely high

>>62051058

Jesus fucking Christ that's more expensive than Panasonic.

>>62049280
>>>62049270
>Okay show me a solid metal ThinkPad with a 2k display and NVM SSD for $600

Okay show me solid metal macbook with a 2k display and nvm ssd for $600

>>62049517
Confirmed for someone who has never opened post-2011 macbook

Ya fuking cunt, its all glued and soldered

>>62051058
Does that have 2k resolution? That shit is six years old, it should be worth $100 max

>>62049254
Apple hardware is a scam for AIDS infected fags.

What things can I upgrade on my t420 to make it better?

>>62049268
Since Elcapitan was the last version officially running on the 2011mbp series.
So the chances that they will drop the 2012MBP:s from the raster next release of MacOS. So thats one reason not to get the 2012:s and use OSX/MacOS on it

>>62049329
Show me a Mac with a docking station (Not just a USB one... i want to charge via the docking).
Show me a Mac with expandable harddisk space.
or a certified Ubuntu Mac
One with a touch-screen
Or maybe a laptop with a graphics card in the ballpark of a nvidia Quattro
A laptop that you can lock down with a security wire.
A laptop that handles PXE

And when buying refurb stuff. you will always pay 25-50% more just for the Apple brand.

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>>62051058
2011 macbook
That hardware isnt even officially supported anymore...
Literally no guaranties that any osx/MacOS after ElCaptian will work...

>>62049254
No trackpoint
I don't like their multi touch garbage

>>62055302
Quit your bullshit. You can run Sierra on 2011 mbp and will be able to run high Sierra as well. So you have at least 2 more releases.

>>62049254
those new apple devices get scratches and probably break after a 5cm drop

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>>62049517
>Repair a MacBook Pro:
>>unscrew bottom 6 screws
>>lift off bottom panel
>>repair
It's actually 10 screws. If you want to replace the keyboard you have to rip everything out. Fans, hard drives, RAM, motherboard, glued in battery and all of the cables and little brackets that are in odd spots. Just for the keyboard. Then let's say that the keyboard is a different language. You'll have to replace the entire lower housing and pull out the trackpad which is nearly impossible, so never count on being able to reuse that.

With my ThinkPad T400 that I'm typing this from you just remove 5 screws from the bottom that are all the same length (macs have three of ten that are longer near the hinge). Then you flip the laptop over, open the lid, and you gently pop off the palm rest and unplug the cable with the trackpad, so if that goes bad I can just replace the palm rest and trackpad and not the entire bottom of the laptop. Same with the keyboard where it's an easily accessible module that I can swap out for other languages without removing the motherboard or replacing anything but the keyboard itself. On the surface ThinkPads look harder to repair but it's a million times better. Trying to repair MacBooks is absolute suffering.

t. owns a repair shop

>>62051597
didnt some fagbooks support libreboot?

>>62055601
I didnt say you couldnt!
I said that they dropped the support!
So running Sierra on a 2011mbp is like running windows 10 on a laptop designed for windows XP, It will probably works but Microsoft/the manufacture does not care in the same way that Apple does not care about the 2011mbp and soon the 2012 ones...

>>62055695
screws are much better than those plastic things that break or are unopenable without damaging the case.

>>62049270
this.

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>>62055844
You mean the little plastic clips? They don't break off because they aren't very tight. They're just there to hold the edges in place and the screws go all the way through to the palm rest and keyboard to hold them on. I'm not a fan of OS X personally but I don't have much against it. However, I have come to absolutely despise Mac hardware. It's abhorrent and belongs in the trash. Luckily Apple also sells trash cans now.

>>62055695
Hi Louis

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>>62055990
Anon please, I'm like twice his height and slightly better looking. I don't run a shitty YouTube channel where I bitch about everything in a squeaky manlet voice either. I come here to bitch instead.

>>62049254
osx can barely handle the retina resolution, windows and linux straight up dont

>>62055525
>That hardware isnt even officially supported
It is officially supported by macOS Sierra and the upcoming High Sierra

still retarded expensive for something so old and shitty

>>62055966
i opened one laptop with those plastic clips and now the case is full of small holes. used a screwdriver to bend the case so the plastic clips opened but maybe theres some special tool for it that does not break the case?

>>62049302
>Why would I unironically buy a useless fashion toy

my fuck you guys are autistic. or just bitter poor fags

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>>62056149
>used a screwdriver to bend the case
Sweet Jesus.

>maybe theres some special tool
Your fingers and a little bit of patience. And no, I'm not talking about playing with your asshole, faggot. Are you really that autistic that you just jam screwdrivers into stuff?

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>>62056230
how much?

>>62056230
What model?

>>62056277
Any T#40 or later.

>>62056185
the plastic cracks if i bend it with fingers(tried that too) also it hurts because its like putting your fingers on a knife. it was some shitty old fujitsu laptop. its good that thinkpads do not have this problem because they use screws and not glue and plastic clips.

>>62049254
>applel keyboards
Thinkpad chiclets are great, plus they have the trackpoint and the top buttons. Screenfaggotry really doesn't matter.

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>>62049254
I'm not gay
I would honestly be embarrassed to be seen with a Mac

>>62049254
Because the keyboard and repair-ability is more important than the screen.

Most of us use the terminal most of the time dummy.

>>62049464
>laminated
i'd take anti-glare like my old Thinkpad, btw which has the ips screen

>>62049689
Apple still has the iAMT backdoors.

apple products hold their value to ridiculous levels.

Just look at this shit
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/2009-macbook-pro-/112528145889?hash=item1a33333de1:g:W8MAAOSwXetZVtlT

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Apple-MacBook-Pro-A1278-13-Intel-Core-i5-2-5GHz-500GB-16GB-RAM-2012-MD101LL-A-/162632843983?hash=item25ddac42cf:g:E2QAAOSwFKZZkzM6

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Apple-MacBook-Pro-15-Laptop-9-1-Mid-2012-i7-2-6GHZ-8GB-RAM-750GB-OSX10-11-/142475611747?hash=item212c354e63:g:824AAOSw8IJZkOsu

what idiots are buying these ??

>>62051058
Tn panel and no high res

>>62049356
>aluminum isn't a metal
lol.

>>62049270
This. I can get a better T450 or something for the same price. I'd consider it if I had to work with iOS or OSX development, but as a day to day machine lolno.

>>62058248
Diamond is the strongest metal. Now fucking leave, shill.

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>>62058349
Get the fuck out of here. I'm not a shill for fucking laptops of all things. All laptops are shit, period. Low end hardware, tiny shitty screens, shitty keyboards, TOUCHPADS!! lol. I think it's hilarious how proud people are of their laptop selection. No matter which one you get it's still shit.

>>62049294
No I don't

>2010 mbp

>>62058389
Spotted the NEET. They're portable with a usable keyboard. This is why people like laptops.

>>62058422
>neet
nah not really. Gainfully employed here and 99.9% of my productive work is done on a nice desktop PC.

>>62049254
if you do anything cpu intensive, like play a game, encode a video, encode audio,
anything that actually uses the cpu, it will throttle to shit performance.

new macbook pros, have everything soldered to motherboard. IF say the wifi adapter failed, you must replace whole motherboard. unless you go to someone..

>>62058547
That's true with almost every laptop these days though.

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>>62058856
But especially true of apple trash, where $3000 memebooks get BTFO buy $600 budget laptops.

>>62054827
* post 2012

>>62049254
>Why would you unironically buy a 2012 TN Panel ThinkPad when you could have a Retina Pro or iMac?
I don't. I buy HP Elitebooks. Can your refurbished Mac do anything in this vid? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCj7KKqyOSo

>They run Linux and windows you know
The only reason to purchase a Mac is to run MacOS. If you don't want MacOS, then there is no reason to purchase one over an Elitebook.

>>62052754
That list is not that long.

>>62058349
>diamonds are metal
Apple hate circlejerk is so strong that NO ONE IN THIS FUCKING THREAD CALLED OUT THIS

>>62049254
Why would I buy anything but business grade equipment?
You know, shit built to last

>>62049254
>no trackpoint
>unironically owning anything from Apple
>dent magnet cases

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>>62051728
>Thinkpad is the only laptop certified for use on the ISS
That's where you're wrong.

>>62061117
Was true when the image was made. And if anything it just further supports the point that Apple don't make hardware suitable for serious use.

>>62056230
>chicletshit keyboards with sodomized layouts
>nuthinkpads
Well, I'm hoping for more retrofits for older thinkpads.

>>62061128
I know, I recently got a Zbook 15 and now I shill for Hewlett-Packard whenever I can :^)

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>>62058204
Its matte IPS in 16:10 @ 1680x1050 which was considered hi res back in 2011 you dingleberry.

>>62061146
Hewlett-Packard is a good manufacturer, arguably better than Lenovo these days. Light-years ahead of Apple.

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>>62049270
This.

>>62049691
Nothing should be soldered, everything should be replaceable.

>>62049254
>2012 TN Panel ThinkPad
I bought a 2015 IPS panel ThinkPad instead.

>>62051289
Where's that pic related from?

>>62064526
Don't remember that Nico had that big tits, though she was a plank.

>>62066123
It's a Thinkpad X220. Sandy Bridge , so still viable as a daily machine

>>62066386
I mean from where is that picture? Website, YT?