Name one way Windoz is better than Linux that isn't related

has thumbnails in file pick window

>>61998159
Added telemetry and error reporting to ensure stuff gets fixed promptly if it goes wrong.

>>61998159
It's easier to install and use. You don't need to know about initting the grub at MBR and bootloading the dev/null and shit like that. Pop in the Windows install disk and it just works.

>>61998165
I am having a very hard time telling if this is real or not. You're good. I clap to you.

Multiple desktop environments
The shells, (zsh, bash, fish)
>>61998165
You can even work on it yourself

>>61998184
>>>/reddit/

>>61998175
You don't need to do that with most Linux distros either.

>>61998197
You just described why Linux is better than Windows ;)

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>>61998159
lets get real for a moment. You install windows 10 in about 45 minutes and for most linuxes its about the same but remember. Biggest base linuxes are about 1 gigabytes or 2 while windows 10 can be more than 5 gigabytes of data. And what happens when you open them. On the linux there are about 2 functional buttons, 3 are nonfunctional and in those two buttons there are some pictures to play with. Maybe slide down or up. On windows though, you feel like a god. Its professional its fast, its all functional. You have a godlike user interface. The thing that the linux does not have. You have those two buttons in the linux, but you still search google for codes to write in terminal. Linux is free because its not worth a penny. Nobody would sell a paper without taking the money. Just not sure why people still buy android while windows phone does 10 times more. Trust me. When you work with windows you know some genius ground breaker dedicated himself to give you an operational os

>>61998184
You probably have Asperger's

>>61998159
active directory

>>61998159

full disk encryption

>>61998159
by that logic windows phone is the superior phone os. It has the best features, but there are no app for it

>>61998163
Confirmed for never having used Linux.

>>61998165
Plenty of distros offer that. RHEL offers actual humans to support you.

>>61998159

When you middle-click a blank space on a webpage or offline document in Windows, a little circle with arrows appears that allows you to auto-scroll the page by moving the mouse around the perimeter of it.

Linux doesn't have this and is therefore shit.

Also, GIMP is legit cancer.

>>61998983
>It has the best features
Wrong.

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>>61999031
>When you middle-click a blank space on a webpage or offline document in Windows, a little circle with arrows appears that allows you to auto-scroll the page by moving the mouse around the perimeter of it.
>Linux doesn't have this

I just opened FireFox to check, and it absolutely does have that. It's called "autoscroll". That's also the web browser, not the OS.

Windows brainlets should be banned on site.

>Gimp is legit cancer
It does something which no non-cancerous person needs, so yes, it's cancer, just like Adobe's PS. At least GIMP doesn't spy on you though. ;^)

As a Linux user there's a couple of things I like about Windows;
>How it handles crashes, restore points and bad updates
>Desktop entries
Holy shit, .desktop files. Yeah, you have categories and shit, but on Windows you just drag a symbolic link to a folder Start-something.

>>61999006
are you literally fucking retarded?

>>61998983
Turn on autoscrolling you faggot

>>61998159
Program support matters far more than almost any other metric.

>>61998226
>You have a godlike user interface.
This. Windows also has a really nice set of keyboard shortcuts - many of them utilizing the superkey (Windows key) - for navigating the UI, manipulating windows, etc. I don't believe Linuxes have that.

>>61999407
Nah, linux has a lot of those.
Pretty comfy as well.
But Windows is a bit more intuitive.

>>61999460
you're just more familiarized with Windows, but most DEs on linux already come with Windows like shortcuts.

>>61998159
i switched to 100% linux in 2010. even though im on your side, i am going to try to think of something...

i mean, great question OP. like we know supported software, can be a reason, but other than that?

so, im still thinking here...

hahahah

there is nothing better about windows than linux other than software support. lol windows is shit

>>61999091
>>61999031
Isn't auto-scroll missing in Chromium though?

Made by a well known brand you can actually trust and not some teens in their bedrooms.

>>61999514
>linuxfags in 2017

>>61998226
no. windows user interface is terrible

>>61999524
Go away, microsoft shill. Spread your FUD somewhere else.

>>61998159
Windows users can apparently spell.

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>>61998226
>lets get real for a moment.
>windows phone does 10 times more than android
Come on now

>>61999031
linux does have this
and youre other statement is about software support
so basically, youre an idiot and you suck, and linux wins

>>61998226
You were doing so well until you brought up the windows phone

>>61998159
Anything audio

>>61998159
drivers

>>61998159
registry vs 99999 .rc file pollution

Full disk encryption.
No forced updated.
Easy updates of all software.
Live CD's.

>>61999584
Maybe I should have read the OP. But I prefer the Windows file explorer.

>>61999306
Guh-nome =/= linux

>>61998159
It's not shit.

>>61999551
You're right, android does infect itself 10 times faster than windows phone.

>>61999535
but no one has come up with a real reason in this entire thread. im right, and you cant say anything about windows is better than linux other than software support.

install process is more difficult (hurr wheres my official cd case box so i can find the security code.. shit i dont know where my cd even is, lol better call microsoft. fuck i dont even have a cd drive, how fucked am i now?)

and user interface is crap too (lol theres ads in my start menu. happy the startmenu came back cuz those huge button things they forced on me were terrible. why control panel always completely change layout? why cant i get used to an interface and choose to use that?)

>>61999580
windows is actually worse at drivers

>>61999577
this might actually be correct

>>61999580
linux drivers are far better than windows drivers. its not even fucking close

>>61999582
registry sucks donkey balls

>>61999584
ok so clearly those are reasons why linux is better than windows

>>61998175
>grub
I've been using Linux for years and still don't know what this is, other than it having to do something with booting. Linux installation is literally plug and play, just like windows. Except you don't have to waste 5 minutes ticking off telemetry shit and Linux installs faster.

Nice bait though.

>>61999619
Android is extremely widespread, hence:
1. Is more targeted than other less common OS's
2. Is used by a lot of dumb people
So sure it's more prone to getting infected, that doesn't change the fact that that claim is pure bullshit and with really little common sense (reads: don't fucking install apks from untrusted sources) you are completely safe

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>>61998163
>no thumbnails
use a different file explorer

>>61998165
>telemetry
Cant argue with this, windows does indeed include much ''telemetery''... why does amazon need to be sent telemetry info tho? pic related

>>61998175
>bootloading the dev/null
theres your problem right there

>>61998226
>god-like interface
Windows interface makes me feel more like an incompetent child being babied rather than a god. The linux terminal emulator is objectively a far better god-like interface.

>>61998951
>no disk encryption
LUKS

>>61998907
>no AD
Ive ran linux with AD before. It can be fully integrated into a windows domain without too much effort.

>>61999031
>Autoscroll
feature of the program, not the OS

>>61999353
>software support
what about when a program breaks? you cant do shit to fix it, you have to rely on MS or the developer to make a fix for you rather than the ability to fix it yourself (assuming your competent enough to do so.)

>>61999460
>Windows is a bit more intuitive.
ya, ill give you this one. if that is your goal tho Mac's are the superior option

>>61999577
ive worked with DAW's on linux. namely audacity and FL studio

>>61999580
>drivers
Windows has better driver support for video cards, but almost anything else linux drivers are superior. especially networking drivers.

>>61999582
>registry
Im not even sure why you consider this a plus for windows.

>>61999778
>what about when a program breaks?

Most programs don't break in a way that is easily fixable. Even on Linux with the source code you wouldn't be able to fix it since you're a poser faggot that doesn't actually code.

>>61999833
generally they really do tho.

75% of what ive encountered is a single error in the code and generally results from the software trying to find/execute a file that isnt there/has been renamed/slightly altered after an update

>>61999833
assuming the software worked at one point, unless if your working with shitty software it only breaks after a change has been made to a machine. all you need to do is gdb the program and see whats breaking it

>>61998163
>>61999306
Check out openSUSE, try it's file picker and then spread lies how Linux don't have thumbnails. ;)

>>61998197
What? Since when having a choice is bad?

>>61999833
with linux the program generally tells you exactly why it failed when it does so

cant find X
unable to read Y
doesnt support Z

makes it pretty easy to troubleshoot for any non-new linux user

>>61999778
>use a different file explorer
I dont think you can easily change the file picker in firefox

>>61999886
use a different file explorer or install something like tumbler

>https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/File_manager_functionality#Thumbnail_previews

>>61999919
see: >>61999886

>>61999778
>FL studio
via WINE? I mean it doesnt run native right?

>>61999833
it doesnt matter if *I* dont fix it; someone more capable will produce and release a patch. Why is this so hard for you idiots to understand?

Graphics and Audio stack of Windows is far superior.

Graphics plumbing on Linux is a complete joke, even scrolling in Linux is slow and feels awful compared to the same hardware running Windows. Also if your driver crashed in Windows since vista it self-heals: goes black and loads right back up meanwhile Linux a gpu driver crash causes complete kernel panic requiring you to cycle the machines power.

I used GNU/Linux only for over 8 years and stopped 2 years ago, I have no intention of ever using it as desktop OS on bare metal ever again. It's trash, it's broken by design, it's emulating 1970's text stream technology that all UNIX developers have admitted was a mistake and moved to object orientation.

I hope Fuchsia or Redox OS kill Linux desktop meme within the next 10 years.

>>61999933
Will this (tumbler) work with nautilus? Isn't thumbnails related to GTK?

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>>61999919
works fine for me

>>61999937
>>61999933
we are not talking about file managers. we are talking about file pickers

this really is an issue with firefox though

>>61999993
GTK is just a specific toolset for guis like qt or tkinter.

I dont see why this would be limited to GTK

It works.

>>62000016
you literally just proved that there is no thumbnails in the file picker for firefox. you have to click on each file individually to get a single thumbnail, instead of just having thumbnails for all the files at once. this is literally everyones complaint, and you just posted a picture of the exact problem

>>62000043
Isn't file picker (used by nautilus) part of GTK..?

>>62000031
But why people are complaining that GTK doesn't have ability to display thumbnails..?
And somewhere I saw a reply from GTK devs who said that implementing thumbnail view would be open up a security issue (or something).

>>62000082
that is literally a thumb nail tho

>>62000106
>Isn't file picker (used by nautilus) part of GTK
nautilus is not a part of gtk, its just written using the gtk library.

As a Linux user I wanted to try to contribute a real thing that windows does better since nobody has yet. Windows does pen input very well. Handwriting recognition etc.

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>Be IT pro
>Get Win 8.1 laptop for work
>Jump from Win8.1 to 10 vanilla, to Anniversary, To Creator's
>Each time +1hr of shit
>Chances are 50% will fuck up your MS Office good.
Switched all PCs at home to linux.
Fuck it.

>>62000123
you're a moron. fuck off back to facebook or plebbit. and stay there.

>open your file manager of choice that support thumbnails
>have thumbnails
Whats the problem?

>>62000106
>>62000123
>But why people are complaining that GTK doesn't have ability to display thumbnails..

this is all clearly people not understanding the criticism. The problem is that when you use the file picker in firefox, it is extremely difficult to find the file youre looking for due to only being able to display a single thumbnail at a time. no one is saying linux or gtk is incapable of displaying thumbnails. but when youre looking for an image to upload via firefox, you have to click on each file individually to find what youre looking for. this is extremely annoying and difficult when you have a large amount of images, and maybe youre not even sure if youre in the correct folder.

>>62000367

Also that it's been 13 years and freetards have yet to fix it.

Also, get: >>62000000

>>62000356
thats the work around. and thats the problem; its a workaround; a band aid solution. it takes extra steps to accomplish the same thing

>>62000381
the problem is firefox, not linux, you stupid fuck

>>62000395
I dunno i never used explorer on Win. My dad likes it though. His first question when i showed him Kubuntu few days ago was "wheres thumbnails for videos and pictures?".

>>61998159
Windawz is an OS Loonix is just a kernel

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>>62000305
maybe if you named your images or tagged them your picture folder wouldnt be such an inavigable clusterfuck, faggot

>>61999979
That doesn't happen most of the time. Most Linux applications are fucking garbage and the desktop environments are even worse.

>>62000305
hurr durr all my files have meaningless names and now i need pictures to help me know what the fuck i am doing plz help me firefox

It fucking works

>>62000479
0/10

>>62000500
>That doesn't happen most of the time.
its literally what happens 99% of the time

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>>62000367
Yes, what you're referring to is to have an icon view on the GTK file picker. As mentioned KDE's file picker doesn't have this problem. GTK's file picker is not that bad as you describe but i share your opinion in part, GTK devs are cunts for not providing this sough after feature and in general the GTK file picker is subpar.

Yet, windows has it's own share of problems too, the file manager itself on windows is pretty inferior to most ones on linux and pic related is a big problem. If you gonna point to external solution then i can point to an external solution to the GTK's file picker problem too:
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/gtk2-patched-filechooser-icon-view/
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/gtk3-patched-filechooser-icon-view/
https://launchpad.net/~plasmazilla/+archive/ubuntu/releases

Honestly if we put the pros and cons of windows and most linux environments, at least those which are user-oriented, i think linux wins by a huge margin if we don't take in account the software availability. And it's not all software availability, but mostly games and certain pieces of professional software because overally linux has a good selection of software. So yeah, i also think one of the few things windows has over linux is software availability, a good reason why probably each time a piece of software becomes available on linux windows fanboys gets hurt and why each time wine is mentioned they try to badmouth it as much as possible.

>>62000500
>That doesn't happen most of the time.
False

>Most Linux applications are fucking garbage and the desktop environments are even worse.
This is just an opinion so i beg to disagree.

>>62000507
>naming your pictures
so basically you have to waste a shit ton of time naming and renaming shit when a simple thumbnail would fix the issue

seriously, im a long time linux user, and dont even use windows or mac at home at all. but this shit is unacceptable

>>62000588
bro, im 100% a linux user. Im just saying, the problem with thumbnails in the firefox file picker is valid

thanks for the links though

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>>61999988
>I used GNU/Linux only for over 8 years and stopped 2 years ago, I have no intention of ever using it as desktop OS on bare metal ever again.

>>62000621
>seriously, im a long time linux user

Sure, that makes more valid your arguments buddies ;)

>>62000588
>Yes, what you're referring to is to have an icon view on the GTK file picker

not an icon view, a thumbnail view

>>62000658
Sure, not saying that GTK's file picker's problem is not valid, in fact as i said i consider it's pretty nasty. Just saying that even with that problem if i put on a balance the pros and cons of windows and linux i still prefer windows by a lot. The part about external solutions is not directed necessarily at you but i mention it because someone will mention something like clover, if they do that then the solutions i propose are valid too.

>>62000667
>Sure, that makes more valid your arguments buddies ;)

I said that because you seemed to suggest i use windows at home; i dont. why are you defending an obvious flaw with firefoxs file picker? maybe you are in fact a windows user and youre purposely trying to divide the linux community by acting like an autistic cunt?

>>62000621
>I would rather disregard the benefits of leveraging the ability to name a file and instead have a filesystem full of indistinguishable names and then as a workaround to allow me to identify files I want to rely on software which lets me view files as pictures.
Literally just name them when as click 'download' even you can understand that im sure. only a retard names a file 1502144398593.jpg and expects to know what it is later

The gtk file choose is utter garbage, 90% of the time I just find the file I want in Thunar and drag/drop it into the file choose window

>>62000713
y-you,, pprefer w.windows? ?

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>>62000621

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>>62000692
>not an icon view, a thumbnail view
You're wrong, a thumbnail view is what you can see on >>62000016. What you want is to be able to see the files in a grid with a thumbnail on each one and that's called icon view. Pic related for example is the KDE's file picker.

>>62000732
>1502144398593.jpg and expects to know what it is later
a thumbnail would mean i can recognize the picture without reading its file name. a filename also isnt going to be nearly as accurate at identifying a picture as a thumbnail would be

quit defending an obvious flaw, where the workaround is to spend a shit ton of time renaming all your files, which itself wont work anywhere near as well as a thumbnail

>>62000724
>I said that because you seemed to suggest i use windows at home
I'm not the same person tho.

>why are you defending an obvious flaw with firefoxs file picker?
I'ts not the firefox's file picker, it's the GTK's file picker, but yeah, i don't defend it, it sucks balls hard.

>maybe you are in fact a windows user and youre purposely trying to divide the linux community by acting like an autistic cunt?
Just pointing that saying you're linux users will not help to make more valid your arguments.

>>62000621
>I cant into filenames this hard. I need to use pictures to understand how to computer
You must work for the state of california.

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>>62000748
Sorry, i mean linux.

>>62000747
this. but its a work-around. its not even really hard at all tbqh. But it doesnt excuse the fact that the solution we are looking for is intensely easy for the gtk devs to implement

I wonder if there is an easy way to maybe just have firefox launch your preferred file manager and use that as a file picker

>>62000785
>a thumbnail would mean i can recognize the picture without reading its file name
using only thumbnails would also completely prevent you from typing in a tag or filename to directly locate an image, or group of related images you are searching for.

>a filename also isnt going to be nearly as accurate at identifying a picture as a thumbnail would be
maybe not for the specific image but i guarantee you can find that image much quicker by typing in a tag or partial file name and then narrowing your visual search down to a small collection of images rather than your entire image folder

>quit defending an obvious flaw
the only flaw is your method of thinking

>>62000841
yeah, there's no excuse. Fuck the gtk & gnome developers

>>62000785
>where the workaround is to spend a shit ton of time renaming all your files, which itself wont work anywhere near as well as a thumbnail
There's another workaround. The file managers most has icon view, you can drag and drop and you don't have that problem. GTK's file picker sucks but an easy workaround is there, just saying. Also see >>62000588

>>62000785
explain to me how trying to locate one image in an arbitrarily large image folder is easier to do visually rather than by using a file name.

this is only quicker if you have a very tiny image folder. try this with 1000 or 10000+ images. your visual search will take much much longer than a hybrid search using partial file names/tags and then visually searching the smaller subset of images returned to you.

also, have fun doing this if you have ANY subdirectories in the folder you are looking in. you will have to open every subdirectory and visually search in there too.

Or do you also consider directories to be as useless as filenames?

>>62000830
ok, Im on the same page as you. I hate windows with a passion. please dont interpret that I consider one minor criticism in the linux ecosystem valid to somehow mean i dont like linux. i eat, breathe, and dream linux. i even masturbate linux. and when i die: linux. if i have children, linux will carry on via my offspring

but, the issue with thumbnails in firefoxs file picker *is* a valid criticism

>>62000621
>Pictures of files are the only way I can find things
wew lad

>>62000806
>wanting pictures to recognize pictures

yes clearly im being unreasonable

what if I have 1000 pictures of dogs, and Im looking for a specific one? do I click on a file named "DOG587.jpg"? Or do I name it "Kind_of_big_dog_with_lots_of_orange_some_white_on_face_making_funny_tongue_face.jpg"

basically, its obvious youre an autistic faggot. everyone here knows it. and deep down inside, you know it too

>>62000749
its like 20x the effort of just downloading the file and browsing by thumbnail. file names are very limited in how descriptive they can be, whereas thumbnails show you exactly what you need to see.

see
>>62000969

>>62000969
the issue is never you wanting images to recognize files, stop dodging the obvious issue at hand.

your issue at hand is you claim that its a waste of time to name files with descriptors.

if you name a file DOG587.jpg your stupid. yes, name it dog_with_orage or whatever the shit you want because now you can search for dog or orange and narrow down your search to what you want

>>62001005
how the fuck do you plan to visually search a folder with thousands of images and subdirectories in a reasonable amount of time without using file names or tags?

>>62000896
>ok, Im on the same page as you. I hate windows with a passion.
I don't hate windows with passion, i just genuinely think is inferior and i know very well the nasty Microsoft's business practices. I need windows for only a very few things (for most windows things i use wine), but the fact i need windows for certain things doesn't mean i need to like and defend what i don't like about windows or microsoft. This is an strange trend, i see a lot of people defending what just cannot be defended or giving huge free passes to microsoft and after arguing with them the conclusion is that they defend MS because an specific piece of software they need only works on windows. Honestly i don't get that people. The same for linux, it also has it's share of problems and there's nothing wrong about criticizing it, for example the GTK's file picker sucks donkey balls hard.

>please dont interpret that I consider one minor criticism in the linux ecosystem valid to somehow mean i dont like linux. i eat, breathe, and dream linux. i even masturbate linux. and when i die: linux. if i have children, linux will carry on via my offspring
kek

>but, the issue with thumbnails in firefoxs file picker *is* a valid criticism
Yeah, it's sad because chromium and any browser derivate from it provides proper KDE support ootb so if you're using KDE it gives you the KDE's file picker. I don't know if that can be forced out of KDE tho but i assume it should be an environment variable that changes that.

>>62001005
its like 20x the effort browsing a large picture folder with thumbnails only and not being able to refine your thumbnails based upon file name

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>>62000753
no, thats an icon view with thumbnails. It is not a thumbnail view. pic related is thumbnail view. this file manager is pcmanfm

The GTK and GNU image handling libraries are a complete joke. Just go look at the number of vulnerabilities over the last few years that can be exploited just by viewing a malicious image. It's ridiculous.

>>62001090
Ahm, i don't get you. Are you saying that the size of the thumbnails changes how it's called or what is the difference? because you can make the thumbnails as big as the image you have with the slider on the KDE's file picker.

The widget that shows a grid of elements that way is usually called icon view, this includes the image you posted.

>>62000844
omg, image tagging? great another layer of bullshit. I want a PICTURE. Reading multiple layers of text instead of just seeing a smaller version of THE PICTURE is not better. it takes more effort, and is less accurate

>>62000892
how on earth do you figure i wouldnt use sub-directories? that is literally the beauty of thumbnail view. have a sub directory and browse the thumbnails, fucking cake. much easier than tagging and renaming shit, which takes more time and effort, and is less accurate

>>62000892
>>62000844
>>62000927
>gtk dev detected

fix your shitty gui toolkit. youve been losing to qt lately, and its because youre all acting like morons, and your toolkit is really starting to suck tbqh

>>62000927
>Pictures are the easiest way to recognize pictures
i know, what was i thinking?

>>62001192
To be fair Qt's file picker is very barebones. The file picker you're probably referring to is the KDE's file picker, the credit is for KDE. However to be fair too, a great thing Qt has is that it integrates very well on each environment so it it detects the environment it displays the proper file picker for each one and the default Qt file picker is only used as a fallback or if the developer forces it.

>>61999407
windowsfag myself, I was pleasantly surprised when windows shortcuts like win+e and win+d were available out of the box on lubuntu, I also set up win+l for log out and that literally took like 3 minutes so yeah
back to windows now because it seemed too unintuitive
t. webdev

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>>62001147
yes, i am suggesting that the size of the thumbnails changes what its called. kde may not distinguish, but other file managers to have a distinct icon view and thumbnail view. yes i acknowledge there are thumbnails in icon view, just like there can be thumbnails in list view.

>>61998159

Consistency
Refinement
Maturity

>>62001321
I see, so it's a matter of semantics. No, i'm not talking about how that specific view is called on the options of the file manager or file picker, i'm talking about the technical name on the widget when you program:
https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/GtkIconView.html

I'm not sure about PCmanFM but i could bet even though the name of the views toward the user is "icon view" or "thumbnail view", both are created with the GtkIconView widget being the only difference the size of the grid.

>>62001349
yep, all of those are better on liunx, thanks for mentioning it.

>>62001433
gotcha

>>62000927
Try finding a specific photo in a large folder full of files with names like 'DSCI_020693.JPG' with the shitty GTK file chooser

>>62001869
its simple. just spend countless hours going over your entire picture collection renaming everything, and then from now on when you download pictures, spend extra effort naming everything instead of just downloading it. then, use something called tagging, which is basically like another text abstraction layer on top of the file naming convention youve already planned out and implemented! its just that simple!

>>61998159
It's optimized for gaming and it even has an option to tack on Ubuntu.

Plus, you already gave another reason which is there's a plethora of commercial software for it that works better than any open source alternative.

.>>61998159
Windows is the best operating system for people who use it for work, to get shit done and to play games.

I have to apologize to all Linux shills out there, but desktop Linux simply isn't good enough if you want to be productive.

Reason why Linux is not a suitable desktop operating system for that purpose is that the software compatibility is abysmal, and most Linux software alternatives are almost never on par with Windows's enterprise grade software, such as Adobe Photoshop, Sony Vegas, After Effects, etc.

Windows also wins in the gaming aspect. Not only all games are compatible with Windows, most are also optimized for it. If you're using Linux, you're going to have to abandon a lot of your favourite games, unless you're lucky and they support Linux. You can also try to use WINE to run Windows games, but the chances of it working without graphical glitches and crashing are like 1 in 1 million.

If you're a Linux user, you can circumvent that by dual booting, but at that point, you might as well just run Windows alone, because trust me, it gets annoying having to reboot every time you want to slack off.

Now if you're like a big advocate for privacy or, if you just like to tweak with your operating system as a hobby and think it's fun to break shit and do it all over again, Linux is the perfect choice for you. Windows users will never understand how fun it is to set up the perfect desktop environment, that you built yourself, then destroying it to start all over again, on another distro or maybe even using a different window manager. Customize the system to its core; change the way everything looks and then say "This is my operating system." In Windows you obviously can't do this. You are stuck with Microsoft's operating system and it will never be truly yours

Windows makes the best games

>>62002378
>If you're a Linux user, you can circumvent that by dual booting
>letting windows have direct access to all your hardware

thats dumb. the proper solution is to run windows in a VM, and give it direct access to a video card

>>62002415
Forgot to mention that, yeah. However keep in mind this isn't for everyone. If you only have one GPU and no integrated graphics then you're fucked.

>>61999091
Auto scrolling is part of Windows' GUI APIs. Firefox is unique because they offer auto scrolling as part of their application rather than just relying on the OS.

Try Chrome, on Windows it has auto scrolling, it doesn't on Linux.

>2017
>not having subdirectories for image categories, meaningful names and tags automatically assigned based on the source of the file

That's just like if you went to the department store and everything is just laying around without any organization and there are no name tags.

You would have a much easier time making a search by name in a specific aisle, even if everything is stored in opaque boxes.

In a similar vein, imagine a library where all the books are just displayed without categorization in alphabetical order with their cover visible.

>>62002378
I knew someone was going to use the "linux has no games" and "linux has not productivity software" argument. Well, people deserve to see the other side of the coin and judge by themselves. The following is pasta:

Kicad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCG4daPvuVI
Natron
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2MvbfuITT8
Blender
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDRTjzLNK0g
Krita
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raKHHFv4nN8
Krita
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEoJgQAfb5Y
Lightworks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7znIHsyqfm0
Kdenlive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8hO4K7mZG4
Unity3D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4BUcIDdpAM
Opentoonz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGFUtqM8oAs
Godot engine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqumdhqy8Uw
BricsCAD VS Autocad
http://cad.softwareinsider.com/compare/5-10/AutoCAD-vs-BricsCAD
Bricscad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eLM3NrOJms
Freecad Demo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XW0AqKG5zI
Freecad BIM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qmjz6WXyWBY
Freecad & 3D printing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqZeThC38ug
Gimp 2.10 features
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5RIveQypgw
How to install photoshop on wine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-Mo3GTcOQ4
Digikam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnk_VzedqlU
Pixar Film Production
https://youtu.be/JmH4KYcmHOo
Linux art 1
http://www.sylvia-ritter.com/new-gallery/
Linux art 2
http://www.peppercarrot.com/
Davinci Resolve
https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve

>>62002513
imagine if all the products were in white boxes with only text, instead of pictures of the product

>>62002543
More pasta:
Not him but the no games argument is not true anymore. Windows is the best os for gaming mostly due to most game developers are trained into developing for it with microsoft's closed APIs, so the simple process of porting a game that was developed for windows to any other platform will affect negatively the performance of the game. This with the fact that the marketshare is small compared to windows there's hardly an incentive at the moment to optimize for linux, making look as if the platform were worse for games than windows when in fact to flip the situation you'll need to change the idiosyncrasies on the industry itself.

The fact though is that the situation on linux is not nearly the same than two years ago and now those who prefer linux over windows now can play games on it, helping to break the vicious circle, but still there's a lot of things to do for linux to compete in the gaming side. I anyone wants for this to change i recommend to play the games you can on linux when possible and ask for linux ports.

I notice some people doesn't want's for this to happen but if that the case let me ask (not directed specifically to the person i'm replying): how are any of you benefited in a meaningful way with the current situation? because i consider that keeping the statu quo just to have a tool to win an argument on what OS is better is not a meaningful thing. how having less options and practically being locked to MS products benefits you?

Some links:
https://steamdb.info/linux/
http://store.steampowered.com/search/?category1=998&os=linux
https://www.youtube.com/user/tuxreviews/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/airspeedmph
https://www.youtube.com/user/Jakejw93/videos

>>62002555
That's the point I made. If I were able to go to the aisle for bathroom supplies and scan it for items with a specific tag or search for a regexp, it would me much easier to identify a toothbrush than just navigating gigantic piles of crap looking for it among clothes and vegetables.

>>62002565
Carmack stated in 2013 that OpenGL outperformed Direct3D and was better for accessing low level graphics pipeline overall.

>>61999778
>What about when a program breaks?
I think linux should focus on having programs I'd want before worrying about them breaking.

>>62002701
what programs do you want, cuck?

>>62002378
Now that we have relevant info >>62002543
>>62002565 :
>Reason why Linux is not a suitable desktop operating system for that purpose is that the software compatibility is abysmal
>Windows also wins in the gaming aspect
You ignored the important part of the thread. Software availability is an important argument, diminishing it would be unintelligent. However the question is, it's software availability the only thing windows has over linux?

>Not only all games are compatible with Windows, most are also optimized for it.
True but also consider that windows doesn't have ALL the games, a lot of games are console exclusives.

> If you're using Linux, you're going to have to abandon a lot of your favourite games
True, fortunately gaming is not the only reason to use an OS for all people.

>the chances of it working without graphical glitches and crashing are like 1 in 1 million
I think this is an hyperbole at best. In my own experience, while wine is far from perfect, on DX9 games the chance is around 50/50. On OGL games the answer is obvious. The problem are dx10-11 games but that's being tackled.

>you might as well just run Windows alone
Or maybe someone genuinely likes linux more and each games and software available is one reason less to need to dual-boot?

>Now if you're like a big advocate for privacy or
This shouldn't be about privacy but principles, i don't get how some people gets Stockholm syndrome with extremely ugly terms just because some of the software they need is locked to a platform and badmouths the other platform with better terms instead of asking the developers for better availability of their software.

>>61998159

Devices just work. In my experience, Linux is great in VMs, and it's great if your system is the same as a good number of the OS developers' (e.g. Thinkpad). But go off the beaten path and you're fucked.

My favorite WTF was when Linux randomly decided to switch my output audio device on bootup every now and then. No sound, for absolutely no reason.

>>61998159
The UI feels more polished cohesive

If windows updates start, you have an excuse to goof off for the next 2 hours. GNU/Linux updates only take seconds.

>>62002678
i dont know whats going on anymore, but EVERYONE USES FOLDERS AND SUBDIRECTORIES

its not relevant in anyway to bring up concerning the issue of thumbnailing

>>62002727
Photoshop, VEGAS movie studio, Ableton Live, FFXIV, and some emulators like CEMU.

>>62002766
> if you just like to tweak with your operating system as a hobby and think it's fun to break shit and do it all over again
You don't need to touch the defaults if you don't want, user oriented distros usually has sane defaults. But yeah, i don't get people that tries to diminish a point where linux wins by a lot, it makes me feel they're going full sour grapes.

>>62002766
However the question is, it's software availability the only thing windows has over linux?

Yeah, I would think so. There are many games I like in Steam that I've had to abandon to use Linux. Some of them are: Skyrim, Paladins, Source Filmmaker, Warframe. I've tried to make those work in WINE but they all crashed frequently. Source Filmmaker had so many graphical artifacts it was unusable.

>>62002818
>The UI feels more polished cohesive
I beg to disagree, i've tried to make windows well integrated and it's a nightmare. All the programs looks different and theming the system is painful. If you have luck the program itself will have an integrated theming engine and it'll still look alien. At least on linux you can make GTK and Qt applications look integrated, on windows you have like 3 different user interface mixed in the same system and you can't do shit to fix that.

>>61999030
Of course whatever feature you enjoy in w10 will exist in some Linux distro, now having a single ezinstall that auto-mantains itself? No distro comes close..

>>62000588
Thunar and Pantheon are the only good-looking file managers in that picture.

>>62002914
Yeah, it's a shit, this is why people who feels like this needs to ask for availability and show demand. Sadly is an egg-chicken situation, right now the marketshare seems to be around 2.5% on the desktop, maybe if at some point it gets at 5% it'll start an snowball effect.

>>62002998
Honestly i prefer dolphin in all ways, but oh well.

>>62002956
>now having a single ezinstall that auto-mantains itself? No distro comes close.
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>>61998159
that's literally the main function of an OS, to run programs

your post is retarded

it's like saying "ok guys name one way spoon A is better than spoon B that isn't related to putting food in your mouth"

>>62003043
Its functionality is fine, but Dolphin lacks what all other file managers (except window's) has: A coherent, nice appearance. It's a shame.

>>62002844
>Photoshop
I tried CS6 on wine and works perfectly. You can try krita and gimp too, the development version of gimp is pretty nice.

>VEGAS movie studio
Not sure if equivalent but there's lightworks and davinci resolve. Also there's tools like natron.

>Ableton Live
The only one i know is bitwig, i've heard ardour is very nice but i don't know about this topic in particular.

>FFXIV
Not sure but there's +3000 games available on linux.
https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=32580
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSqeLqTRq1g

>and some emulators like CEMU
Yeah but most emulators are open source and works on linux, try retroarch and lutris.

>>62003133
why tho? it looks fine on my side and the defaults are good. Care to elaborate? just curiosity.

>>62003096
Linux has access to a lot of programs being the problem only games (still, there's more than 3000 right now) and certain professional software, being well suited, maybe more than windows, for most people. The question is if we assume those programs were available on linux, wnidows would still be regarded as superior?

>>62003140
>Not sure if equivalent but there's lightworks and davinci resolve. Also there's tools like natron.

Sorry Anon but I'll never see Lightworks as a good alternative to Vegas. The interface is so unusual and feels thrown-around. I don't think I can find my way around it.

>>62003156
The other file managers have clearer divisions, for one. Its icons are also not as good as the others. It's hard to explain, but it's the feeling I get when I look at all of those side-by-side.

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>>61998163
Whatever you say senpai

>>61999580
Hello 2009.

Free software develops quickly.

>>62003200
Fair enough, but mind that you don't liking the programs available on linux is not the same as linux not having software for that available. Just saying.

>>62003225
You'd need to make a direct comparison with pictures. It's ok if you don't like dolphin but honestly i don't get your reasons.

>>62003392
that's not what he meant dingus

>>62003559
Oh, what did he mean then?

>>62000479
keep your gay fetish to other boards you homo

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>>62003416
>You'd need to make a direct comparison with pictures. It's ok if you don't like dolphin but honestly i don't get your reasons.
Picture related. Specifically about the divisions, since the icons can be compared directly.

>>61998175
linux installers are easy for quite some time now.
and because windows is so simple if there is anything else on the pc it sure as hell will fuck shit up. i only install windows when other os and data is physically removed from the system because win gave me enough trouble already.

and with windows you have to
>install
>update
>restart for install
>update more
>restart for drivers
>download huge ass update
>install huge ass update
>restart
>continue huge ass update
>restart
>finish huge ass update
>disable spying, which has little effect
>install proper browser
>install pdf reader
>install compression software
>install proper media player
and then you're still missing lots of software for normal usage.

for linux
>install (update to recent software included)
>install list if packages
>change a few settings i prefer

>>62003392
Says the person running Linux inside a virtual machine in Windows.

>>61998159

The only thing I can think of is out of box hardware

It's generally better than most linux distos.