>Apple III flopped >Lisa flopped >Macintosh flopped

>>61986689

>haha guys steve jobs hate thread am i cool yet

he invented touchsreens

>>61986689
Cause he brought apple from the brink of death and once brought back to apple, nearly all the products he made were high sellers. As much as I hate that guy, he is considered a good businessman. Genius, idk.

normies literally didn't understand computers or the internet before he gave it to them in a way they could process.

>>61986689
But muh minimalist design that appealed to masses. Electronics looked like jewelry at last, making it not associated with "losers" and "nerds" for the first time.

>>61986689
He created a cell phone for normies.

>>61986730
Bill Gates brought apple from the brink of death to the tune of $150 million, Blow Jobs just rode on Bill's coat tails.

>>61986710
Except he doesn't..?

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>Eden flopped
>why is that faggot considered as a god

>>61987268
When will bill come back and save the company he built?

>>61987568
underrated post

>>61986689
Let's discuss bill gates failures. Oh wait that would exceed post limits

Considering how much influence it had on the rest of the industry immediately following its release, the Macintosh is the most successful "flop" in the history of personal computing (not to mention it single-handedly created the desktop publishing industry).

Also while NeXT didn't pan out, its technology was so far ahead that it still powers Apple's entire current product line.

>>61987628
No one claimed that he's more successful than Jobs.

>>61986744

God-like post !

>>61986689
reminder that job's was a closeted homosexual and died of aids he contracted from a male prostitute.

>built best dev OS and highest quality laptop
>brought touch devices to mainstream
>built richest company in the world
WHAT A RETARD

>>61986689
He is a successful fashion designer and marketologist. Not much different from, say, Christian Louboutin. He was just selling computers to faggots instead of shoes to rich girls.

>>61986689
because he knew how to transform computer selling business into a religious cult and make billions

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>>61986689

The fact that jobs cared enough about design to hire competent people to design products says a lot.

Insult him all you want but it would be nice if every other PC company gave a shit.

>>61986838
Even the fucking hardware design was ripped from a radio brand from 60s. I'm not going to bother finding images but still.
Apple just antecipated what was already on course, and sold it as a premium product with a ecosystem. Apple just managed to become a patenting machine patenting every silly thing like gestures, buttons and every design shit.

>>61988670
macs are horrible

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Would you let the father that abandoned you for years take you back for a big wad of cash?

>>61988833
fake

>>61986689
He looks exactly like he dead faggot lmfao

>>61988897
yes who cares if i had a shit childhood
my dad is back and he is rich

As with most success stories there was probably hundreds of steve jobs like characters and back stories out there. He' one of the ones that lucked out and became incredibly successful

Then we pick these people out and attribute there success to there work ethic and unwillingness to quit with no mention of how luck and randomness played a huge role.

We don't talk about the failures.

Same goes with investing. We look at people who lucked out and made millions on the stock market then attribute their success to their 'insights' and prediction abilities. We ignore the millions of people who had failed investments, who if they luckily hit the jackpot we would have asked them about their amazing 'investment strategies'.

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>>61988897
I'd trick him into having gay sex and get AIDS, then pay a doctor to misdiagnose it as liver cancer while preaching voodoo witch doctor treatments to him so I can inherit his fortune.

>>61989056
Yeah. It's _embarassing_ how stupid people are in this regard.

I remember being in a thread where a whole bunch of idiots were crying about how they didn't invest in bitcoin. I tried to point out to them that right this very instant there are things they could invest in that'll make them rich in 5 years but for every 1 thing that'll work there are 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 investments that'll fail miserably. Yet these fools just couldn't understand the concept.

>>61988039
Well Bill is still the richest human on the planet.

Apple only feeds investors and opportunists right now.

>>61986710
Errrrorrrrr. He did NAHT!

NeXT didn't flop, he sold it for a lot of money.

>>61986689
He's not. Woz is

>>61986730
>products he made

I think you mean the products Woz made, and later pajeets.

test2

>>61986689
The ibone

>>61987568
all part of the plan

>>61986689
He looks like a Scientologist in that photo
>"What are your crimes, anon?"

>>61986689
He created the most successful entity in all of human history.

jobs did 2 things excellent: marketing and design
>baby interface
>looks pretty
>created lifelong customers

actual usability, functionality and everything else is trash but marketing and design i would consider him a genius of

>yfw terry a davis is the reincarnation of steve jobs

>>61987268
Truth, fuck turtle neck faggot.

You've got to try a few things to find which succeed and which fail.

>>61986710
THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH BUTTONS

Fuck jobs. Touch screen for years were not accurate poor responsive enough and are still shit. Texting and driving was never a problem with T9 but ever since touchscreen, constant accidents.

Fuck touch screens. Stupid gimmick.

Marketing! That's why he is considered a genius.

>tfw 2007 marked the end of society

>>61986689
Because he has pulled some Saul Goodman level shit to whole world and the best part is people actually believe him.

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dear god...

>>61986730
Gates had to donate a few hundred million buckaroos for that to happen.

Because he dead in 2011, it’s 6 years later, and y’all still talking about Steve Jobs.

Now talk about everything he did and didn’t flop.

>>61986689
CEO during iPod, that's it

>>61992804
>what is the iPhone

>>61992810

>and the ipad
>and the mac
>and apple as a company

he was an asshole, and a bad businessman, but he had an eye for aesthetic tech

>>61986689
>NeXT flopped
How is that true when NeXTSTEP is still the best Unix-like/based OS ever?

>>61986689

He wasn't a genius, fuckin idiot wouldn't accept treatment for his health conditions. The idiot didn't believe in real medicine

>>61992856
Dostoevsky was a genius, and a degenerate gambler that bankrupted his family more than once. Even geniuses can do stupid things, especially outside their wheelhouse. If anything, having a high intellect can make it easier to believe something stupid because you'll be overconfident in your reasoning abilities.

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>>61993027
pic related

>>61986689
fuck off apples ia maxiummum comfy and you are just shitter

>>61986689
yet Apple is the most profitable company on the face of the earth right now... seriously beating out oil tycoons

>>61986689
Because he became an idol of the Silicon Valley. Assholes project themselves into him in the same manner as /g/tards here worshipping Terry Davis.

>>61988670
>>built best dev OS
you mean he forked freebsd

>>61989110
"If only I'd known the winning lottery numbers!"

>>61992437
It's taken me 8 years to get as fast on a touch screen as I was on T9 without looking at the screen.

>>61990241
but but jobs had the fantastical ideas about the hardware! that's whys he's the genius of the two

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>illegally reverse engineer IBM IP
>steal xerox GUI IP
>cuck bsd kernel and dont provide upstream
>add TOS/EULA to prevent legal software/hardware modification and hackintosh
>wall garden everything and add remote monitoring integrated on the hardware level so you cant stop in software
>betray, cheat, steal all credit from wozniak the man who made apple what it is

yeah jobs is a true genius

>>61988900
literally wiki leaks

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>>61994003
>Oh Steve!

>>61989206
>Apple only feeds investors and opportunists right now.
And is worth substantially more than Microsoft.

>>61988039
just more human. also still alive.

>>61988670
Hi Kevin!

>>61994003
wow now he sounds like a badass and a genius to me

The Apple computer was just an amalgamation of a bunch of KIM-1 expansions in a simpler package.

>3 products and a side-company flop

Its fucking nothing.

>Macintosh flopped

Lel. Face it, he made the results and he made Apple what it is today. The most influential tech company in the world and basically the most valuable company in the world too. The products he made changed the world, he was indeed a visionary. This all sounds cliche, but its all true. You won't find many adults working in the tech industry at a high level who disagree, you're welcome to try though.

>>61994003

0. Trump is an idiot.
1. The IBM PC came much after the Apple I, Apple II
2. He didn’t steal anything from Xerox, he BOUGHT it from Xerox, Xerox agreed to sell the GUI to Apple and its rights for some pre-IPO shares
3. Didn’t cuck anything from BSD, and macOS kernel is available at opensource.apple.com
4. Yes, it prevents hackintosh, so what? Do you think that you are going to steal years of work for free? Fuck you! If you aren’t buying a computer from them, then they don’t have obligation to give you their software.
5. Yes, it’s a walled garden, and it’s fine, macOS is not a walled garden
6. No, he didn’t, Wozniak says he is ok with Steve Jobs, no problem.

>>61994003
>illegally reverse engineer IBM IP

Uh, are you sure you're not talking about the BIOS clone makers who created the IBM compatible market?

>>61986689
It's weird that he's dead.

I always hated him but, still weird.

Pretty much his own fault though. Hipster fucker.

>>61986689
>>NeXT flopped
no it did not.

>>61991196
NeXT and Lisa were planned as well.

>>61995400
Not really pancreatic cancer is pretty much as bad as cancer can get

>>61995793
And that's why you refuse treatment because medicine doesn't juts werk?

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>>61995793
*blocks your path*

>>61996671
>the only meme to ever cure cancer

>>61986689
>Macintosh flopped
>NeXT flopped
Nigga, are you high?

>>61996671
I don't really get why they waited until stage 4 to operate, wouldn't the cancer have metastasize?

>>61986689

because he was a syrian immigrant

>>61995930
>And that's why you refuse treatment because medicine doesn't juts werk?

Source of your BS = None

He did the treatments before, and they were working, but then, they stopped working and he need a new pancreas. He decided to die.

>steve jobs built this...
>steve jobs created that...

Steve jobs didn't make shit. He was a highly successful Boss. That's what he was good at. The actual work was done by the people he controlled.

>>61994540
>macOS isn't a walled garden
Add a repo to your stock package manager.

>>61994540
>0. Trump is an idiot.
If Trump is an idiot and has achieved more than you would in 3 lifetimes while brilliantly manipulating people left and right, what does that make you?

>>61996790
>I don't really get why they waited until stage 4 to operate, wouldn't the cancer have metastasize?
Sometimes you don't realize you have cancer until it gets really advanced. He had bile duct cancer, which is kind of rare. He was lucky that the cancer hadn't spread throughout his body (that they can tell).

>>61997065
That's what 'making' shit in business is, retard. Those things wouldn't have magically happened without him, therefor he made them.

>>61997276
Damn he really was lucky indeed, I hope for him that it won't come back, cancer is a bitch.

>>61997269
I am no fan of Trump by any means but it's intellectually dishonest to say he's stupid. That's basically looking at a few tweets from his and considering that as his character.

>>61997104

What? Install homebrew, you faggot?

Already did.

>>61997269

Trump is an hatespeecher, and he accomplished nothing without his “small loan of a million dollars”.

>>61997269
>If Trump is an idiot and has achieved
Achieved what? Being born wealthy? Being a wealthy idiot and persuading other idiots? Having his companies declare bankruptcy multiple times and getting bailed out? Being a buffoon on a tv "reality" show? Being voted president by default because the established parties keep running shill candidates that the American people are completely disgusted by?

>>61997305
His tweets are completely designed to create a self-propelling and self-sustaining free marketing scheme.
The best marketing is when people's emotions do it for you, and keep your brand name alive for ages.
It still boggles my mind that people fall for them.

>>61997323
Trump went bankrupt a few times and got out of it to become rich again.
Being rich due to parents is one thing, becoming rich every time you lose and being rich despite projections of constantly losses by different parties is a clear sign of a very cunning and intelligent manipulative mind.

>>61997324
Yes, everything you named that you are incapable of achieving is pretty much being accomplished. Being accomplished means getting wealth and power despite all odds and despite all failures, which is pretty much Trump.

>>61997324
>Being a wealthy idiot and persuading other idiots?
Persuasion is a skill and achieving results with it is an achievement.
>Having his companies declare bankruptcy multiple times and getting bailed out?
Most people lose everything for life after bankruptcy, and don't have the capability to establish connections in other to bail themselves out. Trump won on both accounts, so they are accomplishments.
>Being a buffoon on a tv "reality" show?
Got him ratings and established his brand name, which then began soaring and banking returns massively irrespective of the insults he gets for it, which is again an accomplishment.
>Being voted president by default because the established parties keep running shill candidates that the American people are completely disgusted by?
He is also a shill, and becoming a president despite all the projections, while utilizing social manipulation of both voters and media houses that gave him free marketing due to controversy he gave them in turn, is pretty much some of the biggest accomplishment you could never make in 10 lifetimes anon.

>>61988834
>cared to hire competent people
Didn't care about these competent people and treated them all like garbage. This man was a human turd with a beard.

>>61997352
People are unaware mostly of what cannot be achieved by wealth alone so it's a pretty common reaction to speak as though the fact that you have all of this potential means that you're automatically going to achieve everything you could so desire.

An authentic moron could be in his exact same situation when he was nothing but a child and have absolutely nothing today but a bunch of cardboard boxes and a bridge to sleep under. This has happened countless times in any case.

The ironic thing is that the people that complain more and call him dumb usually come from a middle class that's plenty allowed to trip over the same stone countless times without bearing nearly the same amount of responsibility proportionally speaking.

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>>61986689
>Why this faggot considered as a genius?

He made people pay money for garbage.
That's quite an achievement.

>>61986689
>Apple III flopped
>Lisa flopped
Lisa *was* Apple III

>Macintosh flopped
Because of John Sculley, Macintosh was actually a good computer.

>NeXT flopped
Because the hardware was way too expensive. The software, however, was pure brilliance, and laid the foundation for what we know as macOS and iOS today.

>>61986689
Marketing, if you can sell shit products for 10x what they are worth, you are great at your job.

>>61994458
Nah he was probably a raging psycopath when cameras turn off.

>>61996713
>Macintosh expected to sell 2 million
>only sold 25.000
>Next computers were so expensive he could only sell them to schools

>>61997352
>Being accomplished means getting wealth and power despite all odds and despite all failures, which is pretty much Trump.
No. That is not what being accomplished means. You have failed at life if you cannot see the difference.

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>>61986689
He's the reason Apple III flopped. He wanted it to.
None of the others "flopped".

>>61997454
>Lisa *was* Apple III
No, what the fuck are you smoking?

>>61996713
>>61997640
NeXT didn't flop, it was used in the development of game games of the period.
Doom for example.

NeXT was bought up into Apple once Jobs returned, most of it's development directly influencing future Apple.

>>61997640
You can go into a store today and buy a Macintosh running the latest version of NeXTSTEP

Actually you can't. It's Sunday.

>>61997308
>brew
>stock package manager
Thank you for showing everyone you have no clue what you're talking about.

>>61997815
What does it have to do with the thing I said?

>>61997815
That's like saying BSD was successful because it runs on every MacOS.

>>61992437
There was everything wrong with small hard to press buttons. Use a swipe keyboard and get with the times grandpa.

>>61997792
The first web server and browser were developed on a NeXT computer as well.

>>61997910
And yet people on average type faster on physical cellphone keyboards and write fewer typos. It's almost like they're objectively better and you're wrong.

>>61997912
I don't get this sort of "the first [important thing] was made on a [old thing]" meme. Most classical literature was written with quill, is it superior writing technology because of that? Most of the things you've used on a computer was made in Windows, is it better because of that?
Have you tried using NeXT on a computer? Not the BSD+NeXT+mach Frankenstein that is macOS, I mean just NeXT. Was it a pleasant experience?

>>61997752
>being accomplished is not what being accomplished means
t. retard

Accomplishment is finishing a goal with desired results.
It has nothing to do with your opinions on what are good goals to accomplish, that's another topic that's completely subjective, and frankly living my life with the same aims as yours is failing at life because then i'm leading the life of some other faggot rather than my own.
Don't slam the door on your way out.

>>61997971
>Have you tried using NeXT on a computer? Not the BSD+NeXT+mach Frankenstein that is macOS, I mean just NeXT.
Yes.

Was it a pleasant experience?
Yes. Specially compared to other machines I own from the time.

>>61997971
>Not the BSD+NeXT+mach Frankenstein that is macOS, I mean just NeXT

NeXTSTEP was always a BSD/Mach-based system.

>>61986701
>i like steve "rim" jobs because im a contrarian faggot
you need to go back to plebbit

>>61997984
You were actually running NeXT, not just the kernel underneath something else? Can you post a pic please?

>from the same period
And we added this arbitrary filter why?

>>61998014
Not the guy you're responding to but...

>You were actually running NeXT, not just the kernel underneath something else?

Relative to the Display PostScript rendering system, the Obj-C runtime, and the object-oriented frameworks, the kernel was the least remarkable part of NeXTSTEP.

>And we added this arbitrary filter why?

Because nothing exists in a vacuum. Computers and software hold their greatest relevance and value during the time they are released and sold. They aren't timeless objects.

>>61997328
It's amusing that Trump, despite being a boomer, not only seems to instinctively understand the notions of trolling and shitposting better than most millennials, but has also realized how to use these concepts to further his goals instead of just getting a giggle.

>>61998090
Ok but I'm in 2017. I can admire the machine Turing used to bruteforce Enigma, but I don't exactly want to replace my computer with it. How good of an OS is NeXT in 2017? How is it better than, say, Fedora?

>>61998113
Presto. You could say his stupid "you're fired" show set down the foundations and he already started then and there.

>>61997463
>marketing

You refuse to accept the reality that people like using Apple products. You think only Steve Jobs in this universe could ever 'market' anything. If its so simple, why isn't everyone just going to the same marketing agencies Apple does? What's the secret, why can no one else do it? Dumb fuck.

>>61998014
>You were actually running NeXT, not just the kernel underneath something else? Can you post a pic please?
What else do you run on a NeXTstation?

>And we added this arbitrary filter why?
Aren't we talking about old hardware/software here? It's only fair to compare it to others.

>>61998126
How is this relevant?
We are talking about an old shitbox, nobody wants to use any Workstation from the 80's either, daily.

So your argument is, that old shit sucks in 2017? Then we can't discuss NeXT either with you. I don't think you know how /retro/ computing works.

>>61986689
Because he was a great marketing guy, he knew how to get the right people to do the ring things and what machines should be like, it made him a billionaire.

Only one of those flopped though, it was the machine he didn't like.

>>61986689
He was far more charismatic than Bill Gates. Not to mention he saved Apple from going bankrupt and introduced products such as the iPod and iPhone that changed the world.

>>61998205
>Only one of those flopped though, it was the machine he didn't like.
It's not that he didn't like the Apple watch, but that he understood Apple had no way to tackle that sector and he understood that watch enthusiasts have a different mindset that he couldn't properly manipulate.

Everything started flopping once he died though.

>>61990241
pajeets? how?

>>61998257
Apple employs a ton of pajeets.

>is gone
it doesn't always work that way, sadly...

>>61997276
AFAIK, stage 4 means it did metastasize, though

>>61998208
Both him and Bill are great men of marketing, Bill also knew programming and hardware though. Jobs knew more design.

>>61990241
>I think you mean the products Woz made, and later pajeets.
>and later pajeets
Every successful Apple period's products were patented by german, polish, jewish, english, french, japanese, and chinese names of involved engineers, with almost no poojeets anywhere.
The fuck are you talking about?

>>61998126
I don't understand what point you're trying to make.

NeXTSTEP is not a contemporary operating system; its development ceased when Apple bought NeXT in 1996. But every Apple product today runs on NeXTSTEP-based software.

The fundamental architecture has been mostly the same since 1988, with components having been modernized and enhanced along the way to meet new hardware capabilities and constraints. It has held up exceedingly well over the past 30 years.

In a historical context, NeXTSTEP's technology was on the bleeding edge of personal computing in the late 80s and early 90s. It set the example for everyone else to follow in graphical rendering, networking, and object-oriented design.

>>61987577

When hes finished saving the niggers in Africa.

>>61998237
Apple Watch didn't begin its development until after Jobs died. It was the first entirely new "post-Jobs" product.

>>61998370
Nope. That's not how business works anon, and that's also not how entrepreneurship works.
Jobs had plans for everything and anything churning out of his head, and a think tank he employed for inspiration. He didn't spend decades just pissing in the wind daily, but also observed his surroundings and thought and thought and sought inspiration.
It's a fact that he definitely thought about tackling watches and made a draft about it, at the very latest around the time Shuffle made him happy as hell.
The thing is that he scrapped that after he thought well about it, and now some stupid fucks after he died rolled out all of his drafts and sketches and scribbles and tried to implement anything and everything that was left over before he died, except you can't implement shit without Jobs's input without failing most of the time.

>>61986689
So a few specific things flopped, big deal. The company ran profitably, that's what really matters.

>>61988865
>Even the fucking hardware design was ripped from a radio brand from 60s.
There's nothing new under the sun. Being truly original is less important than putting things together in a way that works well.

>>61998442
>The company ran profitably
Not until late 90s.

>>61998517
The company had also been doing well in the late 80s and early 90s, until Windows caught up and became a major threat.

>>61986730

Apple has done jack shit since Jobs died. They just bloat the os so they need to release a faster device every year.

>>61986689
he didn't install gentoo

>>61986689
The ideas from these computers went on to many others. Some of them were eccentric but a lot of them were genuinely very good ideas that had potential in some other manner. This is how Macintosh 2 sold, the powerbooks sold, NeXTStep sold, etc.

>>61986689
Brilliant people fail, learn from their mistakes, and eventually achieve great success.
Losers just whine and never get anywhere.

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>>61989097
bad girl

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>>61999143
And drive companies to the verge of bankruptcy.

>>61986689
>considered as
why hello pajeet...

>>61991494
>actual usability, functionality and everything else is trash
Apple's the company which extensively researched human interaction and crafted an OS based upon it 33 years ago, even releasing their research to the general public and creating uniform UI guidelines so developers could make sensible applications.

Pajeet, you don't know about UI. Steve did, and he surrounded himself with people who also did.

You just sound like a retard when you make a post like this.

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>>61993594
LOOK MOM I POSTED IT AGAIN

>>61987568
Planet level buster abilities...

One of the defining aspects of being a normie is a tendency to follow personality cults.

>>62001242
This is why normies love Zuckerberg, he's such a fuzzy little kike.

>>61986689
Apple 2 is succes, iMac is success, iPhone, MacBook, iPods, Pixar, iTunes,... He's a genius because he successfully made people believe that he is one.
And because the reason why people think this is not true, it is true that he's one.

>>62001719
Nobody likes Zuckerberg though.

>>61986710
No he didn't.

>>61987568
This but unironically

>>62001929
>iTunes
>success
Even Macfags hate it.

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>>61986689

>>61986710
He brought capacitive touch to market where nobody else could. He didn't invent shit.

>>61988663
And he refused to use modern medicine to treat his illness. Alternative medicine cost him his life.

>>61994528
>The most influential tech company in the world and basically the most valuable company in the world too.
Jesus, I guess that's what people who were around in the 90s meant when they talked about being in a bubble. "The most valueable company in the world" is one of the most ridiculous claims I've heard on /g/.

he was a legitimate piece of shit

most successful businessmen are though but it still doesn't make him a genius

>>61986689
Because he manages to get stupid people to by useless overpriced shit

>>61998324
That just proves /pol/ right.

>>61986689
can next be considered a flop when it's OS now powers one of the most popular devices on the planet?

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>>61987568

>>61997984
>>61998150
fuck you, you don't have a next computer
if you do, you're a fucking asshole, things things belong in a museum

you realize they cost a few thousand dollars? you probably don't even know what you have there
just sell it before you fucking break it you retard

After seeing the low quality products that Tim cook has brought to market how can anybody honestly say he wasn't one?