iOS 11 'cop button': Shortcut disables your iPhone's

>>61984587
>used by law enforcement to circumvent legal restrictions on demanding a passcode.
How exactly?

>>61984615
>grab thumb
>apply to sensor

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#oops

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>doing illegal shit
>doing illegal shit and giving your thumbprint to apple
>doing illegal shit and giving your thumbprint to apple and getting caught

meh you kinda deserve it for being a fucking idiot

>>61984656
this means literally nothing lmao

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>Glorious Gay Privacy Man strikes again.
I don't get this "sodomy is okay" meme.

>>61984687
It means the fingerprint scanner was never safe to begin with you dipshit. Why do you think apple has suddenly rushed out a cop button?

Law enforcement can still access these iPhones btw, see vault7.

>>61984642
I'm sure it would be illegal for a cop to do that even in the land of free.

>>61984698
>sodomy is okay
No one mentioned anything having to do with sodomy.

>>61984728
Planting drugs is also illegal, since when do cops care?

>>61984656
>https://darthnull.org/security/2017/08/17/sep-firmware-key/

>Does this new revelation compromise the security of Secure Enclave data? No. The data stored within the SE remains encrypted with keys unique to each individual iPhone.

>Does this apply to newer devices? No. This only allows decryption of the firmware for GSM-only iPhone 5S, and then only for iOS 10.3.3.

>Can an attacker modify the SE firmware on a stolen (or “borrowed”) phone? No, the firmware is also signed by Apple, and the attacker would need to be able to forge the signature to get the phone to install the hacked firmware. Plus, it should not be possible to upgrade firmware on a locked phone.

A non-story about Apple security, as usual.

>>61984728
It's not. Cops are allowed to basically kidnap you and throw you into a dungeon, what makes you think they're any less allowed to move your thumb than they are to move your entire body? They already take fingerprints as well.

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>>61984642
So now it's gonna be
>kill Jamal/manjaro
>grab his thumb
>apply to sensor

>>61984720
all the SEP firmware keys allows people to do is research further into the firmware itself.

iOS rootfs/kernels were encrypted the same way, and people have been able to retrieve keys and decrypt them since the beginning. this doesn't compromise iOS security.

when Apple released iOS 10, they just removed the encryption from the rootfs/kernel because it did *nothing*

SEP FW keys =/= vulnerable SEP.

>>61984754
In the land of free, if cops do not respect your rights you're free. It's a law made to prevent police abuse (in my country there is no such thing, and there is almost no difference between a thug and a cop).

>>61984787
They are not allowed to put your thumb on your phone. They can not do what they want.

>>61984814
Are they allowed to pirate your phone without judge allowance?

>>61984841
>They are not allowed to put your thumb on your phone.
They absolutely are.

>They can not do what they want.
Okay? I'm not saying that they can, just this particular thing. Under the right circumstances obviously.

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>>61984742

>>61984856
>They absolutely are.
Which country?

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>>61984841
>They can not do what they want.
lul

>>61984841
According to current law, fingerprints are physical evidence (and can be used without your consent) but you can't be made to incriminate yourself by telling them your PIN.

>>61984720
Vault7 is nothing but old vulnerabilities that were patched years ago.

Unless you're stuck on a seven-year-old iPhone 4, you're fine.

>>61984841
What's police abuse

>>61984886
>and can be used without your consent
So they are allowed to put thumb of people by force on their phone? (I am not a citizen of the land of free, and in my country they are not allowed to do that).

>>61984902
I'm talking about the law, not about what the monkeys (because cops are monkeys) actually do. By the way an illegal proof is illegal,

>>61984912
They're allowed to do that, yeah. Just like if you left a key lying around to be taken as evidence vs hiding a key and them having to ask where it is (where you don't have tell).

>>61984937
Interesting. That's why I never put a pin to protect my phone.

>>61984587
wouldn't it be faster and more discrete to have it set so if you scan a dfferent finger than the one registered as outhorized it automagically goes to passcode only?

>>61984953
Unlike biometrics, cops can't legally compel or coerce you into giving up a passcode. It's actually the best way to defend yourself against them.

>>61984986
So like, if anyone picks up your phone and taps it? Yeah, I can't see that getting annoying really fast.

>>61984587
>>61984687
>>61984781
>>61984805
>>61984893
Which fappening leak did you like the most guys ;^)?

http://thefappening.one/list-by-name/

>>61984698
>I don't get this "sodomy is okay" meme.
You seem quite concerned with what gay men are doing in the bedroom.

>>61985021
If you have to reach back to a 2014 celebrity phishing campaign (before limited login attempts and widespread 2FA were in place) to find a problem with Apple's security, then I feel pretty good about using their products.

>>61985061
I'm concerned they're taking over our government and major corporations.

In the old days we would publicly whip and hang these filthy degenerates or just stone them right away.

>>61985100
when has tim cook ever interjected his homosexuality as part of his job?

>>61985089
this, it's not like it happened anymore after that ;^)

http://xxxlibz.net/category/fappening-2017/

>>61985129
That's a belated second dump from the same 2014 hacks.

>>61985013
No you dumbfuck, you register a different finger that triggers the cop mode when scanned, while still having your normal fingers unlocking your phone.

>>61984870
America obviously, but most likely most other countries.

>>61984656
Apple uses HSMs sorry bud Android can't compete. They don't even try.

>>61984720
lolllll

>>61985172
Android users aren't very smart that's why they want a cellphone to be a linux desktop.

>>61984678

You never give your fingerprint to Apple, you idiot. Fingerprints are stored locally only, and encrypted with a different and random key for each device.

>>61985460
Because you monitored the code loaded into the iphone? I love how slaves always defend their masters.

>>61984656
>ARM64 Pornstar
JUST

>>61984841
if they can take keys to your house, open it and search it
they can take key to your phone, unlock it and search it

>>61984788
You're a very fit lad, Jeff.

If you only use pattern or codes and don't use fingerprint you wouldn't have this problem.

>>61985486
Go back to bed, Dr. Stallman.

>>61985548
No, it's violence. And it would be illegal in my country, and they won't be able to provide anything they found to a judge. Because an illegal proof is illegal in my country and can not be provided to a judge.

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>>61985117
He's been pushing his gay agenda hard since steve jobs died from aids.

Anyway don't you see my point, gays don't belong in human society, they belong in landfills or hanging from trees.

>>61985486
How many code audits have you taken part of? You don't just use open source software because someone else told you it was fine, right?

Theres so much shit I dont like apple for but this is one of the things I really respect thwm for: their respect for privacy

>>61985670
with a search warrant

>>61985690
Steve was pushing more for it than Tim though. Or are you too young to remember the rainbow colored macs?

>>61984587
So why hasn't the government just passed a law that makes it a requirement to hand over your passcode? Seems like a no brainer to me.

>>61985821
Because it would be used against them.

>>61985806
I think you are too young to remember when the Apple II was known for its color graphics.

>>61985843
how so?
You change your passcode and they can charge you with trying to hinder a police investigation

>>61985690
Watch out or you will become a gay too.

>>61985706
That's not the same thing filthy slave.

>>61985771
Ha yes, with a search warrant.

>>61985869
>how so?
you do realize there are people in the government?
and these people have their own lives?
and not many of them want all their local cops to see all their cp?
just some food for thought

>>61985938
When you download and run a precompiled binary of open-source software, you are (naively) assuming that there was no tampering with the published source code prior to compiling.

You are also assuming that nothing else further down the chain (like the compiler, OS, firmware, or hardware) has been similarly compromised.

Unless you fully audit, compile, and install everything yourself from top to bottom (or know someone you can personally trust to do these things), there is no absolute way to know.

>>61984728
You do realize that they can take your fingerprints right? They can't force you to reveal a passcode but they absolutely can force you to place your finger on the home button.

>>61985989
look at the uk with the snoopers charter. Only the general public are getting their ip records collected. Politicians are excempt, probably so they can keep their cp secret like you said.
Make it a rule us and a different rule for them.

>>61984841
>>>61984787
>They are not allowed to put your thumb on your phone. They can not do what they want.

Tell that to the courts, who have found that applying a thumbprint is not an invasion of privacy.

In the US, some instances of refusing to provide passcodes have been considered contempt of court, but that is after a warrant is obtained and never before, per fourth amendment.

>>61986039
Still not the same things. I trust more people that want to improve my life than those who want to milk my money.

Slaves will always defend their masters.

>>61985821
Because the constitution still exists. They already did that in England.

>>61986120
> I trust more people that want to improve my life
If you are not paying for it, you're not the customer; you're the product being sold.

>>61986151
did what? Pretend to protect personal privacy or
outright unashamedly invade it under the guise of catching terrorists and people buying kitchen knives without a license?

This is pretty fucking useless since they'll just hack your iclouds.

Speaking of anyone got the latest 2017 leaks? I heard the iPhone 7 had a vulnerability that let hackers gain access to icloud back-ups and used that to het more delicious pics of emma watson.

>>61985061
>in the bedroom.

Yeah I wish, fags are all homeless and are doing each other in alleyways and parking lots here. Shit is disgusting. Also, I know you are trying to be le try hard edgy by not caring about the well being of others, but most people don't want to ignore others mental illness and want to see them get help. Shocking I know.

>>61986183
>did what?
...

>So why hasn't the government just passed a law that makes it a requirement to hand over your passcode?

>>61986120
When you work for nothing, what incentive is there for you to secure your software?

OpenSSL had Heartbleed for years before it was patched. Bash had Shellshock. Transmission and HandBrake had their websites compromised and their binaries replaced with hacked versions (and in Transmission's case it happened TWICE in two years).

Apple has a vital interest in having the best consumer security and privacy, to keep their trust and set itself apart from competitors who are happy to collect user data for its real customers (advertisers).

>>61986211
Yes, so why is it that everyone goes on about the cops being allowed to access your iphone with a thumbprint and yet everyone goes on about how a "cop" button to revert back to a passcode is get out clause, when they could either just force a new law in to request passcode unlocks or have already? Why is everyone suddenly so excited about ditching a thumb print unlock?

>>61986266
Read the fucking thread, idiot.
Thumbprints are physical evidence like physical keys. Your right to remain silent does not prevent the police from using them.
You cannot be compelled to divulge information that could incriminate you. The cops can't make you enter or divulge your pin, but if they can get into your phone with another method (like going through your pockets and retrieving the note you have in your wallet with the pin on it) then they can unlock your phone.

>ditching thumb print unlock
You didn't even read the fucking OP, you mongoloid. They're not ditching it. They're just adding a feature that lets you quickly deactivate it.

>>61984587
are they celebrating going against law and order?
i would gladly let police check my device if that makes them capture some stupid terrorist or a pedo, desu

Does this protect against the $500 password hacking thing? Because if not then I'm cancelling my iPhone 7 plus order and getting an lg v20 instead.

http://iphone.appleinsider.com/articles/17/08/18/small-500-device-shown-to-brute-force-hack-iphone-7-lock-screen-passcodes-but-could-take-days-to-work

Implying the cops won't just detain you and send your phone to the FBI (who has cracked it before)

>>61986399
>only works if the password has been reset by the user in the last ten minutes
A non-story about Apple security. Again. As always.
How do people survive being so fucking gullible? Don't they feel shame for being the targeted audience of clickbait, and succumbing?

>>61985460
Wait do people actually believe this bs? HAHAHA
You are delusional if you think apple doesn't have a database with everyone's fingerprints lmfao

>>61986495
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>61986495
The FBI had to hire contractors to do it for them.

>>61984587
Yay so Antifa can lock their phones quickly now.

>>61986513
They posted a video of it working. Chinks in repair shops already have it.

>using a thumbprint reader in the first place
subhumans can't be *this* stupid. Can they?

>>61986658
Yes, it works, if the password was reset by the user in the last ten minutes. This was a bug in iOS versions previous to 11.

>>61986665
>what would be a good password
>hmmmm
>I know, a physical imprint map that I carry with me unshielded and leave impressions of on everything I come near!

blows my mind

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>>61985460
Lol Applecucks are the worst kind of cucks. At least wincucks recognize they are part of a huge botnet and sometimes come here asking for tips to avoid a little bit of botnet. Apple fags actually believe whatever bullshit apple throws at them baka. Yes, they have your thumbprint sorted in their servers along with your name and all personal details you gave to them.

>>61986495
Wasn't that phone an iPhone 5 running iOS 7 and needing a 3rd party to help them crack it?

>>61984678
>only the guilty are ever arrested

10/10 bait, made me mad enough to reply

>>61986702
>>what would be a good password
>>hmmmm
>>I know, a physical imprint map that I carry with me unshielded and leave impressions of on everything I come near!
>
>blows my mind
This is true but to be fair, the average person/criminal isn't going to be lifting fingerprints to get into someone else's phone.

>>61986968
This is true but to be fair, the average person/criminal isn't going to be interrogating you for your passcode to get into someone else's phone.
Typically you would steal the phone when it is already unlocked.

>>61987066
>Typically you would steal the phone when it is already unlocked.
You probably wouldn't be able to do that unless you snatched it right out of someone's hands. Those kinds of thefts happen, but they're less common than people getting their bag stolen or their car broken into.

>>61986043
True
Same analogy to a safe that has a key (they can compel you to hand over the key) versus a key that has a combination lock (they can't force you to tell them the combination because of muh right to remain silent)

>>61984728
probably but they can shoot you if you dont do what they want.

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>android has had this god knows how long ago and no one cared
the lock icon on the bottom of the screen is a button, you know?

>>61986244
> Apple has a vital interest in having the best consumer security and privacy, to keep their trust and set itself apart from competitors who are happy to collect user data for its real customers (advertisers).

This is precisely why I trust Apple more than Google.


Google is an advertisement company who has a vested interest in extracting as much information from you as possible, and once they have that information they could case less what happens to you. If anything they are more incentivized to work with governments, because the more they love Google for having and giving up all this information, the less likely they are to push for more strict privacy reforms.

Apple on the other hand have a vested interest in keeping their customers happy, because their entire business model revolves around ensuring that people keep coming back every year to buy the latest shiny gadget. People who feel insecure or exposed using your product won't buy it more than once, if at all. Even governments take 2nd place, because in the end, customers are what keeps you alive. The governments won't care two shits about your company tanking because no one trusts your products anymore, and they certainly won't help you out, they'll just shrug their shoulders and move onto the next best thing (Eg. Facebook, Google, etc). Hell, Apple already have experience with this. Back in the days before Steve Jobs, and Apple was close to bankruptcy, help from the US Govt was nowhere to be seen. Apple certainly haven't forgotten this, and never will.

>>61986244
>>61988923
What makes you think apple doesn't sell user data?

https://www.hongkongfp.com/2017/06/08/china-uncovers-massive-underground-network-apple-employees-selling-customers-personal-data/

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>>61988923
>t. brainwashed iToddler

Applel has outright lied to its brainless sheep fantard base for decades because they're brainless enough to take it hook line and sinker.

>>61986039
By that logic, why trust a computer you have not fabbed yourself?

>>61988951
> Random chinks from the land of stealing, lying and scamming
> Found to be stealing, lying and scamming

Truly shocking. Now please link me an article that doesn't involve China.

>>61988976
> 2003
> Cheating on benchmarks

You know, I might actually have raised an eyebrow or two had your article not been literally FOURTEEN (14) years old.

>>61989082
>applel
>doesnt involve china

topkek kid

>>61984587
Oh no, then the police will just have to use their millions of other ways to access your phone!

>>61989117
Were you trying to argue something, or?...

>>61984587
Why on earth would anyone concerned about privacy allow a fingerprint to unlock their phone in the first place?

I mean, sure, once you unlock your phone, it's nice to be able to unlock apps with a fingerprint, but the phone itself? Fuck that. I don't step outside without my phone being freshly restarted. 25 digit passcode needed to unlock. Emergency contacts let me call my wife, my parents, my sister, my best friend, my employer, and my lawyer. Don't know why I would need to do anything other than that and receive calls while I'm in a non-private location.

>>61984893
Anything useful in it was not actually released by WikiLeaks, so they didn't really do anything

Does anyone know how much chinks charge to unlock iPhones? My ex left iPhone 6s on my flat and I told her I didn't see it. She's a 150cm latina with a cute sexy smile and an ass thicc enough to make most men cum a thousand times over.

>>61989287
Depends. Is it fingerprint-locked? Do you have a fingerprint of hers? If so, probably a few hundred bucks.

>>61989321
Not sure but it asks for a pin number.

>>61989362
If it has an OS that's up to date, you're not getting in.

>>61984728
>>61984787
>>61984754
>>61984720
>>61984615

>"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

Cops cannot force you to tell them your password because it violates the 5th amendment, but they can collect your fingerprint because you are not technically incriminating yourself by being forced to volunteer information. There was a supreme court case on this in 2009 and it was revisted after the san bernadino attacks. Never use touch ID.

>>61988951
>criminal Chinese contractors = Apple executives are secretly conspiring to sell customer data

American reading comprehension, everyone.

>2017
>still using biometric data for your electronic devices
>passwords are apparently not good enough

You people are niggers. (This is an insult.)

>>61989420
I know I won't. I asked how much a chink would charge. They have all those celebrite shit hacking things right?

>>61989534
It was a cover up you twat. Do you know how much bad PR apple would get if they admitted their own crimes such as evading 10s of billions of tax dollars?

>>61989669
You're not getting into a locked iPhone with an up-to-date OS with a passcode. The FBI paid like a million dollars or something to get an iPhone 5C with an iOS that wasn't up to date.

>>61989698
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

The fact that a few individuals (in China mind you, the capital of thievery and scamming) was stealing personal information and selling it, doesn't mean that Apple as a whole condones or ordered this action.

>>61985172
>you register a different finger
That makes sense, but that's not what you fucking said.
>if you scan a dfferent finger than the one registered as outhorized it automagically goes to passcode only
doesn't mean
>if you scan a dfferent finger that is registered to activate sos mode it automagically goes to passcode only

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>>61989824
>t. iToddler

Applel collects as much as anyone else, only difference is made iAd a dark project and lie to their brain dead fantard base about it and try to pretend they don't.

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>>61984587
>2017
>Not using your penis and nipples as thumb ID's.

>>61989938
this

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>>61989938
>Apple has iTunes and App Store customer information

Stop the fucking presses.

>>61990058
>j-j-just turn it off
>iToddler literally using the EXACT SAME defense as W10 users

LMAO
M
A
O

I can just turn my phone off if some pig wants to view my stuff. Phone is encrypted and requires a password just to start up. Then requires my finger print to unlock once making it to the lock screen.

>>61990071
I'm far more skeptical of something that's given away for free and is littered with really shitty ads by default.

Also iOS only needs you to toggle one logically placed setting, not two dozen of them scattered around different categories (and possibly some obscure registry hacks as well).

>>61989938
> Apple knows these things that literally every other company dealing with credit cards knows
> They also know locations, unless you turn off location services, in which case they only know regions, maybe
> They can also recommend relevant products, a totally malevolent thing, which no other company in the world does
> Here have a quote that's cut up and taken out of context
> Quoted from an ex-Apple employee who hasn't worked for Apple since 2012, and used to work for a now discontinued service
> I'll use a meme term for Apple because that will make me appear random and fun and more likeable, rather than someone with a conflict of interest
> iAd is a dark project because I say so, they totally don't have several pages detailing their iAd program
> I'll call their userbase braindead and "fantard", surely that will make them understand how right I am

You know, calling someone an "iToddler" doesn't automatically make you right, it just makes you look like a child who has to rely on insults to drive his arguments.

test

>>61990248
You mean SJW's and the "Alt right".

>>61990166
>i'd sooner trust a company known for being pathological liars than a company that has always been completely open about what they do with my data

>t. iToddler

>>61990363
Actually, the general consensus would be;

> I'd sooner trust a company who has shown that they care about customer privacy, even versus governments, than one that has always been completely open about how they exploit me and to what extent, and have in the past shown that they care a great deal about what governments think of them

Then there was also something about how Google has fired an employee for something relating to the social justice movement, meanwhile Apple has fired exactly zero employees for the same reason. But of course that might not apply to everyone so I chose not to include it.

>>61990441
But apple doesn't care about customer privacy. You know the KAT founder got vanned because apple handed his "private" and "encrypted" data over to the feds, right?

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>>61990441
>shown that they care about customer privacy,

This is why iToddlers are universally regarded as technology illiterate gullible retards.

>>61989421
>because it violates the 5th amendment
americans have been ""detained"" for long periods of time for refusing to give up passwords before, without even being charged with a crime

american justice system does not give a fuck about the constitution

>>61990468
> You know the KAT founder got vanned because apple handed his "private" and "encrypted" data over to the feds, right?

No. What they requested was;
"Records provided by Apple showed that [email protected] conducted an iTunes transaction using IP Address 109.86.226.203 on or about July 31, 2015. The same IP Address was used on the same day to login into the KAT Facebook."

Which is neither private, nor encrypted because it's a transaction related to business record holding and must be available for tax and legal reasons (eg. in the event of credit card fraud). What you're thinking of is the regulations regarding the encryption of credit card details.

>>61990524
> "Apple Vice Pres. caught telling top clinton aid"
> Hearsay taken out of context due to eavesdropping
> "Customer data"
> Which can mean exactly anything, and may just have been a discussion regarding user privacy and other companies inability to fulfill their privacy obligations
> Rest of article is just fluff meant to fill out the article with irrelevant nonsense making it seem like they have more than "We heard from a guy who heard from a guy"

Again, using the word "iToddler" doesn't automatically make any clickbait article you throw into the thread valid evidence.

>constructive discussion about apple
quick post itoddler and spam!

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>>61990979
I've just started hiding this threads because I know paid apple shills like >>61990873 are gonna show up. Wish they would use a tripcode so I would only have to filter them instead of the whole thread.

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>>61990979

>>61991040
> Comes into a thread spouting bullshit, hoping for internet pats on the back and (You)'s
> Gets slapped across the face with facts and logic
> "Man, this thread has too many paid apple shills"

Ok, Sweetheart. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

>>61984587
My new jam will be pressing people's iPhone sleep button five times to annoy them with passcode entry.

No doubt a bunch of them will have trouble remembering it.

>>61991335
>t. iToddler