/pcbg/ - PC Bulding General - vega price increase edition

Should I buy a GTX 970 for $160 USD? The seller claims it's never been used for mining which I take with a grain of salt.

I currently have a GTX 660 but it's really starting to show its age, even in normal desktop tasks. I was waiting for Vega 56 but I'm really tired of AMD's marketing team fuckheads and currency miners.

Only have a 1440p60 monitor right now; want to go to 1440p144/165 at some point but I don't want to pay $1200 for the upgrade. Will likely upgrade for Volta.

>>61978291
That's a pretty good price for a 970. I got my GTX 980 for $200 and it's a beast of a card. Unless you want to WAIT till Volta (2018), a GTX 970 will provide a nice boost in performance.

>>61978291
sure
160 isnt much at all

My 970 started whining the other day, and after updating to 1440p I don't feel like it's powerful enough.

Too bad I can't find anything at a reasonable price to upgrade/replace it.

So does the EVGA GTX 1050 Ti have something wrong with its fan?

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How do i make my hard drive shut the fuck up?

it's had this obnoxious fucking grinding sound ever since i got it, my PC case amplifies the noise but i can hear it even if i take the hard drive tray out and hold it away from anything, it vibrates very noticeably which is the source of the noise.

I've stuffed like ten paper towels under the hard drive tray to quiet it a bit, but it's still been noticeable and i just got a new graphics card that thanks to the huge size of it and it's power cord makes it almost impossible to position the hard drive to be quiet anymore, just taking a fucking step too hard near my PC moves the hard drive enough to start being loud again, and i can't secure it in place with screws because that just makes it louder than anything.

I've been listening to vidya and anime soundtracks nonstop to drown out the noise of this thing for a week, but i can still feel the vibrations on my feet from it.

I'd rather use my piece of shit phone for the internet than listen to this fucking thing forever.

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>>61978720
>I want a really powerful CPU
>i don't game much

>>61978732
They usually don't/CAN'T make noise unless they're dying/dead
Get a new one

>>61978731
Shouldn't
EVGA is one of the best vidya manufacturers

>>61978732
Hard drive noise is why I can't wait for SSDs to become cheap enough to be used as storage. Fans are steady white noise I can ignore.

>>61978732
You want to mount it on soft foam so the foam absorbs the vibration and doesn't transfer it to your case.

Also you might want to line the inside of your case with sound dampening sheet.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RZwbM8

Friend is insisting I go ryzen and use only their prime membership unless the deal is "crazy dude" got a deal on two rx 570's for 250 from my old roommate. Will this all work or is the compat checklist lying to me. Havn't built a pc since 2011

>>61978732
Hard drives don't normally make that kind of noise, so either:
-It's dying
-You installed it wrong
-Or your case is defective somehow

https://www.amazon.com/BenQ-Monitor-Tournaments-Professional-XL2411/dp/B01H5KKQTM/

https://www.amazon.com/VG248QE-1920x1080-DisplayPort-Ergonomic-Back-lit/dp/B00B2HH7G0/

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-XF240H-bmjdpr-24-inch-FreeSync/dp/B01DHTWZRQ/

Which? The Acer has freesync but I hear the colors out of the box suck dick and I'm not a patient enough man to sit there for 10 hours finding the perfect setup.

>>61979020
>2x 4GB of Patriot RAM
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RXfLQV

>>61978713
thanks for that

>>61978026
What is that reaction image supposed to convey?

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>all my build components arrived yesterday
>still waiting on the case

>>61979158
you know what to do anon

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Should I pull trigger?
My old GPU should work till I buy new one? Its from my old prebuild pc.
This motherboard because I think its best mATX one if I ever want to try get GPU passtrought working.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WR4hHN
can anyone recommend me different psu?
also which cooler will do better job when i will overclock cpu?

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>>61979193

>>61979210
The Noctua will probably run cooler by a couple degrees, but the Dark Rock will probably run quieter
Whichever one of those two attributes is more important to you, buy that cooler

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>>61979158
>my case arrived yesterday
>still waiting on all the components

still in doubt which card to get

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/P8wqqs/asus-geforce-gtx-1060-6gb-6gb-rog-strix-video-card-strix-gtx1060-6g-gaming

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jZJkcf/asus-geforce-gtx-1060-6gb-dual-video-card-dual-gtx1060-o6g

30 dollars difference between the two here, with STRIX being the more expensive one. Don't know how much difference there actually is between the cards, I'm not gonna OC.

Not sure if a few LEDs and an extra fan is worth 30 dollars more.

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>GeForce 1060 is too slow
>GeForce 1080 is too expensive
>GeForce 1070 has an uneven digit

>>61979158
Build it outside the case for now, install the os and drivers etc
It will be ready faster when you do get the case

Hey guys I found someone kinda desperate selling their i7-7700t for $250, I talked them down to $150

I currently have an i5 6500, would this jump be much of an upgrade? Keep in mind I paid about $150 for my i5 6500.

I know the 7700t is weaker than the others, but I'm building a compact itx PC, I'm sometimes a gamer but also an engineering student that'll be using many 3d softwares,

Thoughts?

8 threads sounds nice and the 7700t turbo boosts up to 3.8 Ghz

>>61980479
They all have uneven digits

>>61980671
Don't say that, he will literally kill himself now

Getting $20k from a lucrative contract soon

What pc should I get?

>>61980480
>implying you're going to make any time savings by putting it all together, taking it apart and putting it together again, just to install Wangblows

>>61980479
1050 Ti

Just wait for vega (to cost more)

>>61980844
Thotripper + Penith Extreme + V€ga

>>61980878
Funny.

>>61980844
g4560
1050 ti
8gb Kingston RAM
64gb transcend SSD

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Is this installed properly

>>61980897
>no reaction image
Bad reddiquette

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Would a r5 1600 bottleneck a 1080?

am i better off getting a liquid cooler or a nhd15 for a high tdp cpu? im thinking more in terms of sound and loudness. if i ended up going water cooling id probably get a clc and put my gpu in it

>>61980855
You can take it apart before the case arrives. It's not like that anon has anything else to do with his time.
And the software part takes much longer than putting the parts together.

how do i find out about "bottlenecks"? they dont seem like theyd be an actual thing outside of gaming really, and even then theyre not actually bottlenecking the gpus performance most of the time

>>61980933
For what application?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bvgcpb
What would you add/remove? I'm targeting 1080p/60 on med/high more or less. My budget it's a bit strained at the moment. If I can spend less than that for similar perf that'd be awesome.
I have a case and keyboard/mice

Can someone tell me whether a 7700t for $150 is a good deal?


The 7700t is still new, so the processor itself likely has had little use

do threadripper and epyc always have high power draw or is it only at peak loads? i ask because i think theyre the only modern cpus without arm trustzone active management crap

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Is this water cooler compatible with the Threadripper TR4 bracket?

'Cooler Master Seidon 240V V3 AIO Water Cooling Kit, Quiet, Compact 240mm PWM Fan'

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cooler-Master-Seidon-240V-V3-AIO-Water-Cooling-Kit-Quiet-Compact-240mm-PWM-Fan/122406431317?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2648

>>61980971
Gayming mostly

>>61981024
it's fine
most benchmarks ive watched rarely if ever have cpu at full usage

>>61981012
no its not acetck reference

>>61980996
>7700t for $150
>7700t
>with worse clocks then ryzen
>and locked
you would have to be paid for that turd cpu to be worth it

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>>61981024
See for yourself anon

>>61980996
>2.9 ghz
>locked
get a ryzen 5 1600 instead, the t series i7's are unapologetic garbage

>>61981157
>housefirelake-x slower then ryzen
>in gaymen
wow what the fuck are doing, i guess this is why coffee lake is getting rushed out next week

>>61981166
The 7700t barely performs weaker than the 7700k, and like I said, it turbo boosts to 3.8 GHz, the ryzen may have an edge on multi core speed what with 6 cores, but everything else is better on the 7700, plus I'm getting the 7700t cheaper and it has lower temps and higher efficiency

>>61981146
What would you recommend then?


And please keep it Intel, I dont feel like getting a new motherboard

>>61981249
> it turbo boosts to 3.8 GHz
one core quad core it runs at 2.9

>lower temps and higher efficiency
yea because it's clocked lower than my 8 year old athlon 2

just fucking stop with the intel apologetics, they are irredeemable shit and the only thing that makes the 7700k attractive at all is the ability to get to 5 ghz, the 7700t has lower performance then literally any ryzen cpu

>>61981292
literally unless you have a celeron the 7700t is not an upgrade

>>61981340
So uh, you be sayin' dis Intel shit be some sort uh wack processor even tho dis shit be 50% off?

You be sayin I should get this AMD raisin sheeit? The 1600?

>>61981249
>20% difference
Oh shit it's almost like 7700t is shit and costs more than superior 1600

>>61981384
>50% off
There's a reason why it's 50% off.

>>61980983
Power supply is overkill

4k or 2k monitor? Or stick with 1920x1080? Trying to decide whether to stick with my 1920x1080 setup or upgrade 1 or both

>>61981409
Okay, are there any decent Intel processors then? That arent overpriced?

>>61981463
g4560 xD

>>61981463
>intel
>not overpriced
yea its called buying amd

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Anyone here have a Threadripper or Ryzen or Kaby lake CPU?
Can you guy's tell me how well this video play's in 8k and CPU usage?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1La4QzGeaaQ

Tanks

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>>61981463
The Pentium G4560, but that's the only one and it likely won't meet the performance you want

>>61980983
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/T2wbM8

Is mATX really that much worse than ATX?

Since I need a GPU right now, do you think I should buy a 1050ti or get a used 970/980? Staying away from 1060 or the 5xx cards for now because of shit prices.

>>61981782
This


I've found a 980 for $220, a 980 ti hybrid for $340

I'm tempted to get a 1060 6 GB but they're too expensive

Is a 980 still good for $220?

>>61981764
Will you need 2 gpus?
Will you need a sound card? wifi card?

>>61981782
>>61981816
A GTX 980 is on par with a GTX 1060
A GTX 980 Ti is on par with a GTX 1070

Reporting in for early vega64 buyer impression.
First thing first: Loud.
I had a crossfire rx480 reference design before.
I just don't understand how it manages to make so much more noise at the exact same rpm.

>>61981878
2nd though: stuck gold.
75°C on default.
Power limit +50% doesn't even hit thermal limit.

How do you deal with turbo boost when overclocking nowadays?

If you want it on, do you have to set each speed manually, then do stress tests for every boost mode (one for 1 core, one for 2 core, etc). A system stable at the single core boost might be completely fucked when using more cores, or vice versa.

Turning off turbo boost and running the same speed all the time seems like a giant waste of power.

>>61981915
More testing is having me doubt undervolting works at all with Wattman.
Went down to 1000 mV without seeing any noticeable change in temps.
So sadly, I think that all I can do at this point, until AMD releases drivers that actually work.

>>61981834
>Will you need 2 gpus?
Not in the short term, I like the idea of having the option in the future but not a deal breaker.
>Will you need a sound card? wifi card?
No and... I preffer ethernet but if the need ever rises I'm not against it.

I read that you should always go for ATX if you can choose but if possible I'd like to relocate those 50 USD somewhere else in my build.

These are the two mobo's I'm considering which seem to give me identical functionality for my needs:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ZHyxFT/asus-strix-b350-f-gaming-atx-am4-motherboard-strix-b350-f-gaming
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nLx9TW/asus-prime-b350m-a-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-prime-b350m-a

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>>61978026
Hey fellas, just finished my build yesterday, posted a pic in one of the old generals.
Anyway, my internals are running super fucking hot. see pic related for temps when basically idling in a ~25c room.
My question is, what do I do to improve these temps? I had a 6600k and the same gpu in another case and it ran like a dream. Case is a 570x, 3 fans blowing in and none blowing out. CPU has stock cooler, GPU is on lower PCIE slot and sucking basically the same air as the power. What do I need to make these temps lower?

>>61981982
Temps look fine to me.
Let's be honest, anything below 90°C is ok.
It's a tiny bit less power efficient, but it's ok.

>>61981982
>GPU is on lower PCIE slot
Why

maybe outside the scope of this thread but i want to get a custom case made. would a cnc and then powder coating look beyond professional? maybe a tempered glass sheet too?

>>61982152
>custom case
This is going to be extremely expensive

>>61978713
Saved for future use.

>>61982109
i was having some problems installing it in the upper, no dramas in the lower. does it make a noticeable difference?

>>61982166
probably, i figure nothing on the market is the form factor and features i want so im going to make one that does. who knows, it may eventually lead to manufacturing. but anyway the only parts i can really figure out are front io that dont look terrible. almost all usb a ports look so cheap and flimsy.

According to the official amd website ryzen supports 2667 mhz RAM, according to pc picker such a thing doesn't exist, only 2666 mhz RAM and they both list entirely different products. Should I just go safe and get a 2400 mhz module? And while we're at it is it really that much of a difference since everyone keeps talking about how much ryzen loves MUH RAM SPEED?

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>Inno3D iChill GeForce GTX 1060 X3 6GB

what the fuck is this? i can buy it new very cheap (around 70$ cheaper than the rest of 1060 6GB in my country) but this is the first time i ever heard about inno3d and i don't know what to expect
i wanted to buy Ryzen 1600 + GTX 1060 to play total war and starcraft 2

>>61982206
Most consumer motherboards only give full x16 speeds to a single PCIe slot, others run at x8 or x4 even though they're physically identical.

Does it matter? Probably not, but it's still better to use the best possible slot.

>>61981982
The temps are fine. You can decrease them with more aggressive fan curves but that just creates more noise for no reason.

>>61982282
2667 is maxium speed that DDR4 officially supports. You can achieve much higher speeds with overclocking but it is not officially supported.

>is it really that much of a difference since everyone keeps talking about how much ryzen loves MUH RAM SPEED
It's mostly a meme but there's a grain of truth behind it. Pick the fastest that suits your budget but don't go overboard; if you have excess money it's better to spend them on a better graphics card or processor than to blow them on some super expensive 4000mhz ram

2667 is usually the sweet spot in price to performance, and around 3600 is the point where more speed doesn't have any impact at all.

>>61981157
That was tested using a 1080 ti, not a 1080. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfNMn7RWgLw

what is the difference besides slight ram speeds and one being eatx?

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/Wfqbt6/msi-x399-gaming-pro-carbon-ac-atx-tr4-motherboard-x399-gaming-pro-carbon-ac

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/zkx9TW/asus-rog-zenith-extreme-eatx-tr4-motherboard-rog-zenith-extreme#viewImages

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/kjmxFT/asrock-x399-taichi-atx-tr4-motherboard-x399-taichi#viewImages

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Finally got my lazy ass to install the Alpenfoehn CPU cooler I had laying around for a few months on my FX 8320.
It literally went from the sound of an airplane taking off to being completely silent and the temps are much better at the same time.
I was fucking retarded not to do this earlier.
It's not even one of those super expensive meme coolers. Cost me 25 eurobucks.

https://www.alternate.de/Alpenf%C3%B6hn/Ben-Nevis-CPU-K%C3%BChler/html/product/1170255?event=search

Only downside is that I cut both of my thumbs during the installation process on some sharp edges inside the tower like an idiot.

>>61982538
EATX is extended ATX. It's wider than normal ATX and thus doesn't fit most ATX cases.

360€ for a GTX1070 ITX, you mad?

Vega56 will drop to that price at the end of the next year the earliest.

>>61982330
>Inno3D
it's just a not well known brand that doesn't have as much recognition as MSI or EVGA. Just like there is Palit in EU that is also cheaper, but performs just as good, if not better that other brands. I'd say go for it, but be aware of size (it looks pretty fucking long).

>>61982538
eATX is a couple inches wider than standard ATX, makes room for those extra RAM slots
Make sure your case supports it

>>61982596
>thinking GPU prices are going anywhere
Cryptomadness is here to stay

>>61982584
yes, i know. im asking what the other differences are.

>>61982612
all 3 have 8 slots yet only one is eatx

>>61982507
if it doesn't bottleneck 1080ti then it won't bottleneck literally any other GPU there is.

>>61982538
asus is overpriced

Hopefully this belongs here and not to stupid questions.

I want to buy a 4GB RX 560, should I go for the Sapphire RX 560 or Sapphire RX 560 OC? Is the OC literally just a tweaked BIOS or can I get some better clocks out of it? Both cost exactly the same.

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>>61982606

thanks a lot
will there be a problem with this card installation in 350 mobo? isn't it too big for it? or is just a pc case problem rather than other components?

>>61982675
When a vidya is branded as "overclocked" or "superclocked", that's just binning of different tiers of quality, like with CPU chips

It should run a little faster than their standard counterparts right out of the box

>>61982675
It MIGHT be a cherry picked one that's able to run high clocks at lower voltage compared to the regular version. If the price is the same, I highly doubt that, though.

>>61981938
>>61981938
>>61981938

>>61982628
>all 3 have 8 slots yet only one is eatx
Yes, but in those the RAM slots are right next to the socket. Asus one uses the extra width to give the socket more breathing room which should make air coolers more compatible.

>>61982330
It's a cheapo brand, but otherwise perfectly fine. It'll run games just like the other cards, just with sligtly more noise or higher temperatures.

>>61982675
The OC probably means that it's factory overclocked. So it's a tiny bit faster out of the box but you can manually overclock both of them to much higher frequencies.

>>61982690
It'll fit into any motherboard, you need to worry about case compability.

>>61982705
>>61982707
>>61982734
It's clocked around 80Mhz more out of the box (core, mem is the same), but I'm planning to OC it myself anyway, so I was just wondering if I can push the OC higher or something. I've seen some OC branded models that actually overclocked worse, though, so I'm not sure which to buy.

>>61982690
check your case specifications for maximum gpu length.
also here's a review: http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/95545-inno3d-geforce-gtx-1060-ichill-x3/ it seems to be even better than MSI.

2400 vs 2666 ram, is it worth the extra?

>>61982754
If you plan to OC yourself anyhow, the cheaper non-OC'd version is probably the better bang-for-buck option

>>61982734
why would you be using an air cooler? this is a x399 board, all the cpus run hot.

>>61982767
>worth going from 2400 to 2667
For your average computer? Yes
For a Ryzen build? Very yes

>>61982754
Yeah that's what my comment about the price was about. Cherry picked chips that can actually perform better usually cost more, so it might just be a factory overclock on a normal chip.

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>>61982734
>air cooling a Threadripper

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>>61982813
>that pic

I just captured pic related from an anime I just watched to use it in situations like this.

It's called Drifters, btw. Top notch anime.

>>61982781
>>61982812
Just so I'm not gonna do something completely retarded, I CAN OC a secondary GPU in Afterburner, right? This'll be the secondary to my R9 290

>>61982813
>>61982840
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXabZ_-QPb0

do you need to buy ram in kits for extra performance these days? i remember ddr3 needed matched ram. asking specifically about ecc

Okay guys


What kind of deal is a 980 ti Hybrid for $330?

>>61982967
$100 less than the cheapest gtx 1070? go for it. it should perform the same on stock and outperform it after OC.

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Is the 1050 Ti worth it if I have one (1) 1080p monitor and I want to play games at good framerates?

Particularly this game.

>Corsair Link 4 says my CPU temp is at 79°C during it's stress test
>Ryzen Master says it's 59°C
really makes me think

>>61981024
No bottleneck there, apart from maybe a few very highly cpu-intensive games.

>>61981431
4k is fine for movies, but for a computer I wouldn't really go above 1440p, at least at the moment. Or 1080 144hz for gaming.

>>61981938
On ryzen it turns off when you oc.

rate my build

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8Pn4bj

im gonna be multitasking, playing games, producing music, and streaming

https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/
are these builds any good?

>>61983620
If you're actually going to be doing all of those things, you should get a Ryzen 7
And regardless, you need a better power supply....at least 650 watts

>>61982967
>>61983166
I got a reference one for ~$250 and I'm really happy with it. Once you get it just dump the original BIOS and mod it to take advantage of unlocked power limit. If you get a good card you can maintain 1500MHz core without throttling at 120-130% power limit.
It's quite a power hog, but I'd say it's worth the money.

>>61983641
which 7 should i get

>>61983640
Ryzen 5 build looks ok, Poorfag Pentium is kind of old now that Ryzen 3 is out.

>>61983661
1700 if you don't mind overclocking it yourself, 1700X if you just want it to run fast out of the box

>>61983620
get a 1700, use stock cooler
get a modular psu
get a strix 1080ti
get better speakers than that shit

>>61983676
i don't know much about overclocking

What are the best cheapish (<$40) speakers?

Logitech z200 seem to be a good value for the watts.

>>61983678
why use stock?
any speaker recommendations?

>>61983702
Then get a 1700X
And make sure you still get a cooler, the 1700X doesn't come with one

>>61983707
Logitech is by far the best low-end brand of peripherals.

>>61983707
Also related I just moved into an apartment and computer is in a corner with 2 big windows, so there's a lot of white noise. Is there anything I could possibly do about it?

>>61983225
Check the benchmarks. I am sure there are benches for Nier for 1050ti somewhere

>>61983773
Put chicken wire on your walls and turn the room into a giant faraday cage

>>61983767
Thanks
>>61983805
I meant audible noise not radio lmao

>>61983741
>>61983678
what cooler should i get for the Ryzen 7 1700 if im gonna overclock it?

>>61983838
Depends on how high you wanna overclock it
If you just want to get it on par with a 1700X, you can keep the included Wraith Spire cooler
If you want to shoot for 4GHz, I'd go get one of the AM4-compatible Noctua coolers

can we expect price drop of ryzens considering 8 series intels on the way? or amd is just going to compete with new wave of cpu?

>>61983859
what would happen if i kept it overclocked almost 24/7 when i use it?

also is Noctua - NH-D15 SE-AM4 140.2 CFM CPU Cooler good?

>>61983891
Depends on the voltage
Beyond a certain point, you'll have to start increasing the voltage to your CPU to get it to run faster
I wouldn't run a constant overclock over 1.35 volts

>>61981649
>ryzen
smooth

>threadripper
smooth with extra processing power to spare

>kaby lake
constant stutter

>>61983931
im guessing that would get me around 3.8 Ghz to be able to keep 24/7; if i were to overclock it to 4 or 4.1 Ghz how long should i keep it on?

>>61983981
If you can even GET it to 4.1 GHz
I'd take it as high as 1.4 volts for a couple hours at a time

>>61983981
>>61984051
you guys realize that the CPU will use lower voltage and lower it's clock accordingly when it doesn't require the high performance? It all depends on the current workload. If all you're doing is browsing the web it certainly won't be running at high clock and voltage.

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The fuck does this mean? I've got an SSD and a HDD plugged in that were both working fine this morning

Is my mobo fucked

>>61984125
it may ease back on the clock, but not the voltage

>>61984125
>>61984051
>>61984150
So then what overclock voltage is good for 24/7 use???

>>61984148
your Windows chip is broken
you need a new one

>>61984165
1.35 or thereabouts

>>61984183
ok thank you

What's the best CPU and motherboard to go with a 1050 ti?
I found one for under a 100 and want to make an decent rig around it.

>>61978732
I actually love hard drive noises. The sound of a quantum fireball revving up and clicking away is like fine music.

>>61984183
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tLPqFd

I fixed my build

>>61984148
>sideway picture
Hope your motherboard fries up nigger

>>61984244
Do you plan to upgrade on that 1050Ti anytime soon, or keep it a while?

>>61984295
your CPU cooler and your vidya card are pretty big, might want a bigger case to make sure they fit
other than that, you're set

>>61980933
It will probably bottleneck the cards that come out in 10 years at this rate

>>61978720
CPUs hardly ever break so in that regards it's pretty safe. Getting a good motherboard for older sockets can be challenging, though.

>>61980671
1+0+7+0=8. The 1070 is the only one that isn't uneven.

Should I install motherboard drivers and stuff using the disk they provide? or just download them from the website myself?

Gotta use Windows 10 for a new build, do I go for home or pro?

>>61983295
Ryzen x-SKUs have 20C offset to better enable XFR. The temps reported by Ryzen Master are correct.

>>61983879
there's usually a sale on them if you're paying attention

what UPS should i get for this build if im gonna overclock the Ryzen 7 1700

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gt3DWX

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TdpDRG

Building a rig for VR and 3d modeling. Friend who looked at it said I should drop to 8 gigs of ram and add a second video card for "video ram". Is he bullshitting me?
Any other recs would be fine too.

>>61978026

best b350 board? only light overclocking

Still waiting for a case to go on sale.

>>61984621
Use the stock cooler, anon

>>61984752
can the stock cooler stand overclocking tho?

>>61984747
Tomahawk

>>61984722
>add a second video card for "video ram".
You're friend doesn't have the SLIGHTEST idea of what he's talking about.

>>61984798

any particular reason?

was looking at that and the b350-f gaming

>>61984722
>r5
>quad channel
Get 2x8gb

>>61984831
Its built more for gaming than any other b350 i believe

>>61984851
what about all the b350s with gaming in their name? MSI B350M Gaming Pro Motherboard etc

>>61984959
specs dont lie

>>61984959
>B350
>Gaming
Shit is whack, X370 or bust.

>>61984976

and whats your justification for this

>>61985009
More PCIE bandwidth, better power delivery on the X370 boards because it's enthusiast as fuck, I'm definitely getting one when RYZEN becomes some outdated shit and I get sloppy seconds on the secondhand market.

>>61984538
Anyone?

>>61985009
I got one cos I keep my computers for like 10 years and I'm hoping further AMD cpus down the line will work on it and x370 will get priority. Also I was mildly high from actually getting a new computer for once. r5 1600 atm.

>>61984538
you shouldn't even have an optical drive on your computer to begin with. It's the current fucking year, cmon dude.
To answer your question, can't update a disc. Newest drivers you'll always have to find online, and install with a USB.

>>61980844
Something with a voodoo card. Or a commodore 64.

>>61985130
>He doesn't have an optical drive for exploring his own old DVD's to see what kind crazy shit he'll find on them.

Is my UPS good enough if im gonna be over clocking?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/s3R3TH

>>61984773
If you just want to take a non-X version up to the same speeds as an X version, the stock cooler is probably enough
If you want to go beyond that, I would look into a better cooler

How does this look for a.music workstation??
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jKcKr7

>>61985222
It'd be fine if you weren't OCing, but it'll probably come in just under depending on how much you overclock. Should probably kick it up to a 900-1000 VA one just to be safe.

>>61985435
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qw8BVY
Don't mind the incompatibility flag, the Pure Rock works with the AM4, though it will blow up/down instead of towards the back of your case

>>61985566
Could even knock the vidya down to the non-Ti version if you don't really game

>>61985130
I'm a moron, I don't even have an optical drive.

Buy a new 1080p monitor, I know to go IPS, but do I go matte or glossy? I was thinking matte.

>>61985643
buy cum filled version delidded

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How the FUCK do I overclock this shit? It's all fucking locked, and I can't change any values at all. Ryzen 5 1600 and Asus b350-f gaming mobo, latest bios.

>>61985707
anon... literally just type a number into the field, e.g 38.0

>>61985550
how many watts tho

>>61984244
>>61984318
I plan on making a gaming rig till can last a few years till I can get out of college.
I don't care to upgrade it at all. It's that I found a cheap ass 1050 ti with good ratings and want a mobo and CPU that can let me push the most out of it.

>>61985765
It doesn't do anything.

>>61979193
Pls answer no maymay

>>61978026
What's the best mechanical keyboard i can get with $40 on amazon

How much life can I expect out of a 1060? I don't plan on buying many AAA games for the next few years, I just want to play some of the games I already have (Witcher 3 probably being the most demanding) and do some light 3D stuff.

>>61985929
amazon.com/fuck-you

>>61985970
Don't reply to me unless you have a keyboard in your link.

>>61985983
https://www.amazon.com/HP-Wired-Keyboard-K1500-Black/dp/B00E4TOWR0

>>61985929
A stolen one.

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Updated with a handful of motherboard recommendations

>>61986015
He said don't reply without link

>>61985929
Depends what kind of switches you want. There's plenty of well-built ones that use knockoff Cherry blues but if you want legit ones you'll probably end up with an 80% keyboard.

>>61986024
He's obviously a moron, so that doesn't matter.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZgbggL

R8 for gaming, where could I improve?

>>61986015
Where's your link?

>>61986004
Thanks

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>>61986042
>230 dollar soundcard

>>61986063
Better suggestion?

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NspvJV

think im at my end game here. don't wanna spend much more money then where im at. game but don't care if i don't get past med settings just want smooth runs and good fps.

pls ignore the presence of windows

>>61986078
onboard audio is good enough these days

>>61986042
>opts for the highest-end mobo
>gets a fucking sound card anyhow
Also, sweet power supply

>>61986023
First OFF

PC mate, I've heard a lot of problems with temps, overclocking and ram

ASROCK IS SHITTY AS STATED BY /G/

B350 TOMAHAWK ARTIC AND B350 TOMAHAWK IS BASICALLY THE SAME. But the regular version is cheaper.

X370 GAMING PRO HAS SHIT RAM SUPPORT

The high end models are ok but so expensive

>>61986033
kek

>>61986078
Onboard sound card.
If it isn't good enough then get an USB amp/external sound card and use that.

>>61986105
>ASROCK IS SHITTY AS STATED BY /G/
>falling for the memes

>>61986166
>Doesn't know the asrock way

>Ass-rocks

YOUR MOTHERBOARD HAS HARD POOP ROCKS

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Are GPUs still expensive?

>>61985566
>>61985597
Thanks. Yeah im having trouble finding stuff i need and not being overpriced due to gaming labels.

>>61986200
Linus! Long time no see. Have you converted to AMD and Linux like us /g/angsters

can you recommend me decent psu with 550w+ ?

>>61986093
lol just pir-
>pls ignore the presence of windows
Just this once. Why 1500x rather than a 1600 though?

>>61986241
you want the EVGA B1 550W PSU

>>61986247
didn't seem like a huge improvement and every penny counts

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Anyone recommend me a good ryzen motherboard for my first build? Preferably sli compatible. I did research on the one in my list but it has mix reviews and mostly of it not working when delivered. Also I'd prefer if it were red and black and very affordable and able to oc . Thank you

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/nightlyskill/saved/rRznQ7

>>61986405
>SLI compatible
Why?

>>61980996
For your use case yes. Just be sure that you can properly cool it

>>61986413
I have a MSI gtx 1080 gaming x and its sli so maybe in the future I could get another one.

Do i need a 650w or a 550w psu for a single gpu and an overclocked 1600 setup?

>>61986449
But why...
You know support for SLI is piss poor right?

>>61986466
550 unless you're getting a vega64 or SLI

>>61986449
There's practically 0 SLI support from games. It's not worth the money.

>>61986487
550 then, thnx

>>61986490
>>61986474
Oo ok but anyways have any recommendations?

>>61986517
X370 boards since you want to do SLI.
Asus ones aren't bad.

>>61980915
Can you keep screwing? If so, no, you gotta keep screwing until they're all thightened

>>61986682
>Can you keep screwing?
heh

So I heard that overclocking ram to at least 2666MHz provides a good increase in performance. Does anyone have a full, comprehensive guide on overclocking ram for retards?
Also, if the ram is rated at 2400MHz, can it run higher, or is certain ram locked like Intel CPUs

>>61986105
There's gotta be some kind of difference between the two, the 1-egg review rates are way out of whack for being "the same board"

>>61986754
If your RAM is rated for a particular speed, good fucking luck getting it to run more than slightly faster

>>61986805
How much is "slightly faster". Like 200 MHz?

>>61986836
10-15%
So yeah. But it may become unstable. That's why the rated frequencies.

>>61986855
Thanks for the info. Will try doing a slight OC, I'll just write down the rated settings beforehand if it doesn't work out

>>61986836
Like, when you're overclocking your CPU, there's two settings you can fiddle with
There's the "multiplier" (also sometimes called the "CPU Ratio") which just affects your CPU and moves it in big jumps of like 100MHz at a time
And then there's the "base clock", which is what the multiplier multiplies to get the actual frequency for your CPU....the base clock affects your RAM as well as your CPU
So, you can set your base clock to, say, 104 instead of 100, and your RAM will also run 4% faster, which is quite feasible for most kinds of RAM
But jumping all the way to the next standard frequency? (say, from 2400 to 2666) That's over 11% higher, which is entirely too tall of a task for most RAM

What's the point of the X version of the Ryzen CPUs? Just higher stock clocks?

How's ryzen 1600x idle power consumption compared to similar intel cpu?

>>61986917
Higher stock speeds and a bit more single-core Boost/XFR

>>61986917
Higher stock clocks and apparently better binning

>>61986033
How so?

Hey guys quick question.
Thinking about upgrading to an AMP Extreme 1080 from a RX 480 Nitro+. Currently sporting EVGA G2 Gold 650W.
Total power draw with Rx 480 is Around 380 .
Pc part picker estimates Power draw to be 480 adding the 1080.
I've read somewhere yo ushould be pulling ~ 50% of your PSU power to have the best efficiency.
I'm worried about reducing the PSU's life, can anyone enlightne me?

pls r8:
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/MtfBVY
I'm getting a friend's 970 and already have a case.

This is mainly for gayming.

>>61987014
Well, posting that question in this thread when /mkg/ is a thing for starters. Not to mention that I seriously doubt you have any choice if you want a mechanical keyboard for $40, assuming you can even get one.

>>61987052
Damn, that guy is an idiot.

>>61987042
Get a B350 board instead. You have no need for a X370.
Do you plan to do heavy overclocking? If no, you don't need a custom cooler. The stock one will do. If you are getting the H7, make sure you order the AM4 bracket as well.
You can tone down the PSU to a 650W if you want to save money.

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Anyone knows what that means? Does it mean it will be running at a lower speed?

>>61987030
Im interested to know too

>>61987171
At the time they were doing that list, yes.
Dunno if they update it when they release new BIOSs though

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>>61986547
Thanks I found one called MSI Gaming Plus X370seems like a good board and its pretty cheap. And it also looks sexy.

How much did I fuck up guys? I ordered a RX560 a week ago after a few year break in hardware enthusiasm and didn't do enough research. What can it actually do at 1080p/75? Pairing it up with a Ryzen 5 1600 but already regretting just not getting a nvidia 1060, FUCK

>>61987291
>560
Depends on what game. You won't try the newest AAA games or even last years AAA games at 1080p/75 without turning down a lot of settings.

>>61987218
This is the latest qvl and they release bios updates very frequently. Didnt expect that bad of a qvl from asus desu

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>>61987086
Is having 2 less PCIe lanes with a B350 going to fuck me in the long run?

>>61987409
The extra 2 PCIE lanes are for SLI/Xfire so as long as you are not going for dual card setups, it will not affect you the slightest

>>61987291
Just return it

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How do you guys clone your hard drives when it's time to upgrade? The 64gb SSD that I bought in 2012 for Windows 7 is finally running out of space and there's not much else I can clean at this point.

>>61987583
most reputable manufacturers have utilities that let you copy your shit to a fresh SSD

>>61987327
Not that much of a problem since I mostly play strategy games then, but cheers, as long as shit still runs somewhat smoothly

Is it bad to open buy box motherboards?

>>61987967
I wouldn't ever buy an open-box/refurb mobo
too many little parts, too many ways for it to go wrong

>>61978026

>>61978026

when a CPU lists a certain memory frequency that it accepts but the mobo lists higher, will you lose that additional frequency or will the system be able to make use of that additional speed?

all non OC'd

i know when the Mobo only accepts a certain speed it definitely down-clocks it at the bios level

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>buy a cheap System Builder version of Windows 10 Home from ebay
>package arrives
>sent me Windows 10 Professional
>mfw

>>61988090
>buying windows

>>61987967
If you can still get a refund, go for it. Mobos can have a million different problems and are practically impossible to troubleshoot so it's a terrible idea to waste money on one that you can't get replaced.

>>61988071
as long as you get RAm from the QVL, you should be able to go up to 3200, if that's what speed your RAM is supposed to run at
I've heard a few tales of people getting RAM as high as 3466 to work with Ryzen, but that's going to be an absolute crapshoot at best

>>61988133

intel usually lists the 1st and 2nd slowest ram speeds on their own site tho

it was like that with DDR3 as well it was always 1333 or 1600 the rest they listed as needing OC

Finally Intel made an affordable 8 core. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tf6zD8

>>61988154
the CPU will support those first frequencies natively
any RAM speed listed as (OC) or some such will require you to use a BIOS overclocking profile from the mobo manufacturer; look on each board's specifications to see how high you can feasibly go

>>61988133
>>61987086

ladies, i need help with some choices. been building my pc slowly over the last month, just need my MOBO and CPU now. getting a ryzen 1600.

Do I get a MSI Gaming Krait b350 for $105

OR

ASRock Killer x370 OR ASrock Fatal1ty x370 for $110.

I wont be doing SLI, but since they are the same price, who cares right? Better VRMS maybe?

Im asking though because all the MSI b350 have reviews of running 3200 ram, where those x370 ASRock boards have been reviewed as far as I can tell to not run 3200 ram.

I just want to run 3200 ram.

HELP ME /g/!!!!

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>>61988184
>$600
>affordable

>>61988154
Well, yes. That's because anything beyond that is technically overclocking. The speed the RAM/the motherboard says the RAM modules can run at is what you can automatically overclock it to, and it's guaranteed to work.

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>>61988216

>>61988222
How much was the 6900k again?

>>61980553
Don't even bother to talk to these retards. Just try by yourself. These mememasters just keep parroting the same over and over again.

>>61979075
Nice ram deal thanks. Know any non riced towers?

what is this meme I keep hearing about ryzen having sandy bridge IPC

>>61988247

does that shit 3200 ram though?

Anyone with ASRock Killer or ASRock Fatal1ty mobos who hit that RAM plz send tell

What's a resonable premium to pay for an 8gb rx 570 over a 4gb one?

>>61988543
>Radeon

>>61988708
No 1060s available for obvious reasons.

Just spent 20 minutes delidding my 7700k. Yah its a funny meme against intel but the temps i'm getting now is amazing. Dropped to 65c average at 5ghz from being 80-81c at 4.9ghz. Sadly it won't do anything above 5ghz but my goal was 5ghz with steady low temps. Anyone who gets one I do recommend delidding. It was easy and only costed around $25 for supplies.

>>61980553
To tell you the truth, I don't know. The i7 is a mile better than what you have now, but I honestly don't know if it'll be good enough for what you want. I think it should be more than enough. As for the price? You did good, kid.

>>61988966

don't make it sound easy or you'll undermine every single complaint against the 7700k

jk good to hear that it's treating you well. what sort of supporting hardware do you have?

>>61988986
corsair h115i AIO with 2x 8gb 3200mhz
asus z270 and 1080ti OC

It cut the noise from the fans down to minimal as well. Pretty happy with it for gaming.

>>61988966
what did you delid with? I'm thinking of delidding myself, might try with razors

>>61989045
I wouldn't trust myself with razors, not with the CPU part but me slipping and cutting myself with it. I'm steady and good with this type of stuff, but its easier to just buy this tool. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FREE-S-H-CPU-Delid-Tool-for-Kabylake-Skylake-Devils-Canyon-and-Haswell-/182698079290?hash=item2a89a7743a:g:GwYAAOSwKoRZYBb3, I used my vice and took 30 seconds. Tool fit the cpu perfectly and it was well worth the $12. Great seller as well, was nice when I was having issues using my ebay.

>>61988216
Get the MSI B350 PC mate, it'll do everything you want and it's cheaper than other garbage. it's the same as another MSI thing minus the LEDs.
Just check the QVL for your RAM>

Matte or glossy monitors?

>>61989092
Never buy msi you idiot.

>>61989075
>no vice at home
these delid tools are even cheaper where I live but I really might try with razors or just the typical sliding knife

>>61989149
Good luck man, https://www.amazon.com/Vivian-Table-Bench-Swivel-Repair/dp/B01N2LZ3UL/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1503180577&sr=8-7&keywords=vise although I would still recommend just getting a vice. I maybe use mine once in a blue moon, but its handy just to have.

>>61989103
id go with matte if you will have a window or light facing it

>>61989305

Yeah I was thinking matte, it's what I've usually preferred anyway, just wondering thoughts as I haven't ever bought my own monitor.

>>61988090
Pirating windows is easier than buying it

>>61989103
Glossy will always gather dust and scratch within a week, matte

>>61989503
Isn't it easier to use the official Windows 10 installer and buy a key off ebay for $1?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZkkyCy

How is this build for playing/streaming overwatch/ cs go on lowest settings with at least 144 frames? Anywhere I can cut costs and still achieve that goal?

>>61985802
A raspberry pi could get the most out of a 1050ti.

>>61989762
Remove the Noctua cooler and the 1600X and grab a Ryzen 7 1600. Then get either a Cryorig H7 Quad Lumi or an AMD Wraith Max cooler, and overclock the snot out of it to 4.0 Ghz if you win the silicon lottery (3.9 Ghz if you don't), and you should be able to do it.

>>61990160
>Ryzen 7 1600.
Ryzen 5 1600 *

>>61990160
>Quad Lumi
Just get the regular H7

how important is the response time in a monitor?

is there a big difference between 4ms and 1ms?

>>61990298
doesn't come with an AM4 bracket. The Quad Lumi version comes with the AM4 bracket natively

I bought an LG 24gm79-b for $205, worth or nah?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/X4zcpb
Budget is around 900/1000 euro
idk where to begin on the other parts pls help
first build

>>61990373
You won't notice any difference at all.

AOC i2369Vm a decent cheap monitor?

>>61990373
1) you probably can't tell the difference
2) that's basically within the margin of error if those are the manufacturer's specs and not independent findings. If something's being advertised as 1ms response, be VERY skeptical of it (not saying it's impossible but it's more likely than not to be BS)

>>61990836
TN panels aren't worth money

Do I get Windows 10 pro or home?

How does one go about flashing an RX 560 BIOS on an RX 460 to unlock the extra SPs?

Is it better to have 2400MHz CL14 RAM with Ryzen, or a higher clock with looser timings?

>>61991480
higher frequencies for sure