Lets talk about CloudFlare for a moment. In case you've

>>61960655
Forgot link

https://archive.is/WOEZZ

>>61960655
it'll start off with things that the majority dislike e.g neo nazis and will continue to create an extremely restricted internet not allowing individuals to come across differing ideologies, this is what the masses want though and what we are headed towards an extremely filtered existance

>>61960736
Indeed we live already in a really /cyb/ world

>>61960655
>>61961026
Also I think that infrastructure providers and general building blocks of computing should always be politically neutral

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>>61960655
DailyStormer was a great containment site. Now those faggots are going to come streaming back to 4chin and *chon.

Why would they shut down a functioning honey pot? Virtue signalling on crack.

>>61960736
>continue to create an extremely restricted internet
Of course, after this precedent has been set, there is no reason for many more websites not to be taken down.

I would expect to see a slow but steady crackdown on all parts of the web that are somewhere far right. Due to /pol/ being here on 4chan I wouldn't bet on its continued existence if this trend continues in the next months/years.

After that the floodgates are probably open far enough to wage political wars through ISPs and things like cloudflare.

>>61960655

ISIS sites get shut down all the time, so it's only natural that garbage like TDS would be too.

However >>61961052

It was more useful up than down.

>>61961839
By the time this process is over, technology will be primarily a tool used to control us and take choices and information away from us.

At this point, the best bet to live a happy, fulfilling, and authentic life is, ironically, to move to a 3rd world country lacking the infrastructure and wide reach of the central authorities to implement what is happening in the first world.

>>61961939
or /g/ takes over a small 3rd world country and uses it to develop tools for freedom and living a happy and fulfilling life

>>61961939
>more sites migrate to Tor
>can't be blocked
>more people find out about and learn to use Tor
>golden age of open information

>>61960655
Honestly their response seems reasonable and level headed. They didn't stop providing their service to a group because they didn't like them, they terminated it because the group was saying that Cloudflare secretly agreed with them and held the same beliefs.
If I was providing a service and a customer uses my service as an opportunity to grossly misrepresent me, I'm going to stop giving them access to my service too.

>>61962021
That's not level headed. Level headed is to ask for a public apology about misrepresentation. Refusing to serve a softcore nazi site while still offering services to proper jihad sites is anything but level headed.

https://vc.gg/blog/response-to-dailystormer-cloudflare.html

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>>61962052
Yeah, but some fat chick died.

>>61961967
The cat-and-mouse outcome did occur to me, but I think something has fundamentally changed in that technological development has put the modern 1st world state in such a position of power that attempts to circumvent it will be futile, now that communications over the net are something they care about. Consider the manpower, reach, and computational capacity behind the NSA - then consider the fact that private sector internet oligarchs are willing to play ball with them.

Hell, some people claim that Tor is already compromised.

>>61962021
>This is just a lie. Never once did I claim they were secret Nazis, which is why there is no quote in his statement.

https://gab.ai/AndrewAnglin/posts/10825232

>>61962021
>Honestly their response seems reasonable and level headed.
But it sets a precedence.
If it becomes standard practice to drop every website the CEO does not agree with then we are entering a very grim age.

They obviously had the right to do it and a reason for it, but that matters very little. If this trend continues politics will start to revolve around controlling the internet and shutting down the oppositions reach.
I think nobody in their right mind would want that.

Registrars have too much power right now. To say that someone can no longer be found at all on the internet unless you know their exact IP address at all times is effectively banning them from the internet. It's unconscionable. Now anyone who has a website with "disagreeable" content is at risk. 4chan makes fun of the victims of terrorist attacks, for example. Will 4chan.org's registration be cancelled next?

Agreed that domain registrars need to be neutral. A registrar should not be able to cancel your registration on the basis of the content you host on your website. I'd go as far as to say that even if you're hosting illegal content they shouldn't be able to cancel your registration as long as you're a paying customer. If you host illegal content they can report you to the authorities, it's not a registrar's job to police the internet. Especially given that we now know from experience that their "policing" involves cancelling the registration of websites with 100% legal content just because it's offensive.

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>>61962106
It's been one attack against the civic implementation of free speech after the other.

The large tech industries are going to curtail free speech. There is some speech they think no one should be allowed to say.

So get your Islam jokes in while you still can.

>>61962119
But they didn't have their domain seized from them, did they?

>>61962188
No, because they've broken no laws. At least, recently.

What I don't understand is that if this was truly about censorship of ideas, wouldn't this would be shut sooner? Companies didn't start dropping them until they could justifiably say it broke their ToS. I think everyone should have a free platform to speak, but advocating/justifying violence breaks the ToS of a strikingly large amount of companies. Why are the tech companies viewed as the problem here?

>>61962206
Well, the post I replied to makes no sense then.

>>61962207
Shut down sooner*

>>61962207
Because Cloudflare has no issues with proxying ISIS sites which actually advocate violence.

>>61962207
Because the implementation of such ToS is not standard across the board.
Antifa, which is a legit terrorist organization, hasn't had their hand slapped over similar complaints. In fact, they've been romanticized.

It has nothing to do with violence or the acts related thereof. It has everything to do with the political leanings of those capable of making these sorts of decisions.

>>61962207
>wouldn't this would be shut sooner
It should be quite clear why they did exactly now, Charlottesville happened and the public opinion was very much against the people participating. Doing it now would result in the least amount of public outreach. The people defending these far right side on the basis of free speech are now easily dismissed as defending terrorists.

>Why are the tech companies viewed as the problem here?
Because they have an enormous power, imagine what would happen in the 1950, before the internet, if the postal services were private businesses and would refuse to deliver newspapers based on political content or opening letters and refusing delivery if they disagreed with the contents.
You see how dangerous this would become?

Tech companies will soon become major political players, who can easily win any election for the side they stand on, simply by denying their opponents any kind of platform.

US-based domain registrar with constitutional protection when

Cloud lel is a joke but poltards had it coming.
They are teenagers as is and should not be allowed to shit up the internet more than it is.

>>61962270
They've pretty much guaranteed the FCC is going to get involved in their business because of how badly they've rolled their political beliefs into everyone's home.

>>61962276
>poltards
But next time it won't be just /pol/ tards.

If the CEOs of tech companies start to ban based on political opinion the future looks pretty dark. You can be sure that at some point they will also come for your site.

>>61962276
>Cloud lel is a joke
How is cloudflare a joke? They have the power to hide site from DDoS. Who else can provide that kind of service, and for free too?

Absolutely fucked up it's cencorship of the highest order.

Best thing they could do is go on tor desu

>>61962271
U.S. government operated, not U.S. run. My bad.

>>61962292
>and for free too?
That's the thing.
You don't think they really do it for free, right?

lol who the fuck cares, there are more domain registers out there, use them cucks

>>61962303
They start asking for money for big sites, but that doesn't cancel the fact that for small ones they do it for free, and small opinions are definitely worth protecting.

>>61962242
Also this as well like the double stands here on display is absolutely insane.

Same with discord and Facebook all the other sites giving antifa to do whatever they want

>>61961939
I hope you enjoy rampant corruption and low wages.

>>61962325
Ausfag here we already have this in spades at this point I wunna move overseas

>>61962279
We will have to see what comes out of this. But I think you have to be very optimistic to believe that it will result in a freer internet.

I guess the companies are free to refuse their services to anyone in the end, and you can't force them to provide for "X".
They still can run the site it seems, just not with cloudflare or many infrastructure providers, but as stated above it's not their duty to protect everyone from DDoS out of solidarity.

>>61962305
You can't run a mainstream site without a CDN, it's the sad reality of 2017. Any opponent can just DDOS you to death and there's nothing you can do about it. Internet of Shit made it even worse of course.
Not like it was CFs responsibility to house them, but it's sad to see them pull the plug for the first time. If it's true that TDS claimed CF endorses them I'd have pulled the plug too desu.

>>61962369
TDS denies it.

>>61962369
there's other CDNs tho\\
>>61962383
>nazis claim something didnt happen

color me surprised and hang me from a tree

>>61962369
Rip free speech on the internet things are only gonna get worse from here it sets a very bad precedent

>>61962394
You're way too biased to make a rational decision.

>>61962394
T. Alt left violent faggot

>>61960655

pretty soon nazis are gonna have their own form of ghetto speak and we wont even know what they are saying or talking about, just like the "urban youths"

>>61962394
>>nazis claim something didnt happen
To be fair, if it did happen CF should have been able to provide a quote and a source, but they did not as far as I am aware.

In general it should be the duty of the person who makes the claim to back it up.

>>61962409
hows that? they are white supremacy nationalists, you couldnt get closer to a nazi if you fucked hitler

>>61962411
t. polfag who just hit puberty

>>61962425
only reasonable response, thats true

>>61962411
>le alt left is a thing!
>>>/pol/

>>61960655
>waaah babby lefties DDoS me eberyday! gib me my god given right to use Cloudflare!
Host it on Tor or pay for Incapsula or Akamai, retards.

>>61962448
this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>>61962443 >>61962411
Cut it out. Both of you. This is why important threads about things like internet censorship get deleted.

>>61962435
>only reasonable response, thats true
>hows that? they are white supremacy nationalists, you couldnt get closer to a nazi if you fucked hitler
How can you have those two in the same post? Are there two different persons writing on your computers?

>>61962435
I used to be a centrist actually but considering how violent and insane these antfia nutters have gone makes them no better than the Nazis.

Funny because it's ww1 ww2 all over again this is how it started

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>>61961939
This. Technology is already becoming more and more inevitable people think it's a key factor in staying socialized.
It's slowly but steadily crawling under people's skin.
Majority thinks hate speech should be kicked off and give their liberties to governments, and that will get them too, sooner or later.
Government just laughs and rubs hands like pic related.

>>61961894
>only natural that garbage like TDS would be too.
I honestly don't know what the site was, or really care. But you sound like a massive faggot. I'm entirely neutral here, but unless this site was literally hosting Child Porn there's no reason to take it down, and you know that if it was a site that supplied you your daily confirmation bias you'd be frothing at the mouth. It doesn't even have to do with them coming here, it has to do with my belief that people are going to be pieces of shit, and there's not a whole lot you can do to stop them.

Congrats, you stopped their online forum. You've given precedent for sites that the wider public don't like to be removed from the index. Just wait until it happens to a site that you happen to agree with.

They're just going to meet up in person now, or on another forum. This has done fuck all to stop people from being shitty, and is only really bringing them attention. Congrats. Now stop being a faggot and let idiots be idiots, get off your high horse because I'm sure you believe in some absolutely retarded shit too, moron.

To me it has been clear we are heading towards "channel Internet" for a long time. I think the french already once voted on this like five years ago and it was struck down then. But you know they keep coming.

It's really easy to explain to ordinary folk how Internet needs to be tightly controlled: security, porn, black market, people from other countries, capitalism (the owners of infrastructure should be able to do whatever the fuck they want), etc.

I give us a decade.

>>61962455
Boo hoo this site is also heavily censhored as well it's been a huge Honeypot since 2009

>>61962478
That isn't my point. Stop shitposting.

>>61962456
>calling a nazi a nazi is unreasonable

literally how

>>61962465
k

>>61962477
It's already happened first it started with VPN and p2p blocking.

We will be like chinas great fubarwall very soon
>>61962485
This is more of a discussion that should be on pol anyways

>>61962487
I told you that you are biased, the other post did the same only more politely. Your reaction to those posts are as if the content was different and not just tone.

>>61962502
the content was wildly different, one person called me biased, one person provided the information that cloudflare hadnt provided a source ergo educating me and changing my stance slightly on the issue

>>61962497
>This is more of a discussion that should be on pol anyways
It isn't. These are fundamental questions about the internet and they are very much technology related.
When you make it about ebil nazis or SJWs mods see it and trash the thread. Why wouldn't they?
If we keep it technology related then it belongs on /g/.

>>61962512
You were biased. You're admitting it now. You admitted it in the same post where you got really upset about me claiming you're biased.

>>61962547
you keep typing words but not really saying anything

>>61962558
I already said it. Your reaction in >>61962435 is incoherent.

>>61962567
everything i have said is coherent

>>61962541
This never really was a free speech issue, no one was arguing that.

This is about setting a dangerous precedent. You can not have a free internet if people get banned because the CEO disagrees with their politics.
And if that becomes more and more common place, things will get very bad, political wars will be fought through these companies, since they have the power to completely end your competition by deleting them from the internet.

Compare this to private postal companies, how free would you feel if they started, as private companies, to refuse the distribution of papers according to their politics? What if they opened letters and refused service based on their contents?

>>61962512
So you took a position without adequate information. That's the definition of bias.

This is simply a sign of the continued centralization and commercialization of the internet. People not completely oblivious to this trend (found on various tech sites as well as on /g/) have long predicted that one day the internet will be nothing but another channel like radio or television, controlled by some few. This has been happening for a while now and will continue to get worse.

>>61962597
my position was in support of a private entity exercising their rights to not service a customer. That is still my position. However i feel differently about the reasons given.

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>>61960655
This is turning into a pretty big problem.

>>61962541
xkcd always struck me as a depersonalized guy that likes pegging.

>>61962616
oh no, people who dont want to service nazis due to bad pr are booting them. this is just business as usual you fucking mongoloid

>>61962612
What? No, you implied thee Daily Stormer was lying because they're Nazis without doing any fact checking whatsoever despite the fact that you have perhaps the most powerful research tool humanity will ever create at the tips of your fingers.

That's bias, son. I'm sorry, but grow up and accept your flaws.

Will Tor or the Onion Netwoerk ever be a safe option for the near censoring of the Internet?

>>61962637
>what is being facetious

maybe take an autism test buddy

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>>61962643
No.

>>61962636
It doesn't matter who they are. Or even if the companies have the right to deny service.
It isn't a good thing.

>>61962651
We already had at thread on this. Why does /pol/ love to overreact to virtue signalling?

>>61962651
They said that they can't censor the Tor network in that post.

The fact that they have to go to companies to maintain their service shows that the free internet is dead. If I can't run a service from my home connection, there is no free internet. NAT and dynamic IPs killed the internet.

>>61962636
And next time it won't be the nazis.
If private companies start to ban people based on their own politics, the day will come when it hits you too.
It is basically guaranteed that 4chan will be kicked off the same way in the next couple of year if this trend continues.

And why is this about bad pr? There are ISIS accounts on twitter, should they not be targeted aswell? What about antifa? Or other terrorists?
And why now, and not years ago? And why things unrelated to nazism, such as gab or the event with jordan peterson and gad saad?

>>61962673
>They said that they can't censor the Tor network in that post.
The blog post to be specific.

>>61962649
>I was only pretending to be retarded

Whatever you think you need to do to save face on an anonymous image board

>>61960655
The Daily Stormer suggested that Cloudflare supported their beliefs, so Cloudflare cut them off.

It seems reasonable to me. Cloudflare was providing a service, not buying into your religion.

>>61962541
"Hey Jude, just because you're yelled at, boycotted, have your businesses canceled or get banned from things made for Aryans only, doesn't mean you're free speech rights are being violated. It's just that the people think you're an asshole and they're showing you the door".
- t. Nazi in 1933

>>61962688
>The Daily Stormer suggested that Cloudflare supported their beliefs
Any source on that?
The CEO claimed it without giving a source or a quote, the nazis deny it.

>>61960655
How can they block sites like this over TOR but CP rings are alive and well?

>>61962688
Not saying they didn't say that, but, could you point out where they said it?

>>61962701
>How can they block sites like this over TOR
They can not. They just stated that they didn't like nazis on TOR, but couldn't do anything about it.

>>61962665
>businesses arent giving hate groups a platform due to negative pr
>this is bad

no its business you fucking cuck

>>61962680
unlike you autists i actually know how to have a life outside of the internet. ill move to freenet, i2p, or any other contender. hell i could make my own meshnet with some buddies

>>61962687
non argument

>>61962701
they cant you fucking idiot

>>61960655
> Can any country claim something is illegal and compel others to ban a website?
You think that does not happen?

>>61962616
>people hate nazis
I don't see the problem, learning from history and stuff I guess. Now do the same for [insert extremism] and I'll have a great day. Fuck IQlets.

>>61962709
>unlike you autists i actually know how to have a life outside of the internet. ill move to freenet, i2p, or any other contender. hell i could make my own meshnet with some buddies
But that was never my point.
You should not have to do that, the internet should be free.

>>61962709
Please stop breathing. Thanks.

>>61960655
I don't believe in the "absolute freedom of speech at all costs" thing like Americans do, so by extension I don't really believe in absolutely neutrality of services either. So where should the line be drawn? Basically where it's being drawn now; if you're calling for violence against/death of people based on their religion/ethnicity/skin colour/sexuality, you don't need to be allowed a platform to say it.

>>61961839
>Due to /pol/ being here on 4chan I wouldn't bet on its continued existence if this trend continues in the next months/years.
Then one of three things will happen: 1) /pol/ will get moderated so Nazi and similarly problematic stuff is kept off of it, 2) Hiroyuki (or whoever else might own 4chan at the time) will just remove /pol/ from the site (and apply aforementioned moderation everywhere, since the shitheads will think they deserve to post their garbage on other boards if they don't have "theirs", or 3) no more 4chan.
In the former two cases, nothing of value would be lost. In the latter, not much of value would be truly lost; the content and discussions that happen here will just happen somewhere else.

>>61962717
why? i completely disagree since there are alternatives.

>>61962719
no thx

>>61960655
K*kes gonna k*ke

>>61962716
People hate 4channers.
Everyone who provides a service to a 4channer should be publicly shamed until they deny start denying them service.
You don't want to support extremism do you?

>>61962697
SJWs are going full retard. I saw a tweet that said free speech is fascism and a guy I know called me a white nationalist because I disagreed with his definition of hate speech-- not because I espouse white nationalist ideals, because I disagreed with him on something that's not even a central point of white nationalism.

>>61962723
You might not care about 4chan and that is perfectly fine, but it won't be only 4chan.
(What do you think /g/ will look like if /pol/ gets deleted? Spoiler: lots of "Nigger")

But that is practically irrelevant, it won't be just 4chan, sooner or later they will come for other sites. After they have banned the far right, they will move further left, never stopping. Some day they will have arrived at your position.

>>61962717
Please ignore the histrionic faggot.

>>61962582
>Web registrars and hosting companies refusing to host nazi/fascist elements on their platform or tolerating their presence on their platform by clearly stating this in their TOS and preventing and/or subsequently banning such elements.
>Web registrars bending over to companies' pressure and eliminating the companies' competitors by refusing to host them.

These are not the same. The latter is shitty business practice. The former depends on your views: if you want to have a nazi/fascidt/communist website (or any type of political content for that matter), the hosting company can choose that they don't want to be associated with the political content of the website. That is impossible because whois data.

And hey, nazis/fascists/altright manchildren are not widely popular. Which hosting service would want to support domestic violence and terrorism? People don't protest that Twitter/Zuckerbook is blocking ISIS's accounts left and right, so why is this different in any way? They are just enforcing their TOS.

>>61962742
>this is unironically a good argument

>>61962761
nothing ive said was dramatic

I use Chans on the Tor, so if 4chan goes down, I will be on there.

I think if you're going to police, you better actually be neutral.

Otherwise don't, really. What is there to gain? You're pretty much spreading these people around, giving them a reason to voice their concerns about censorship and lack of freedom of speech, you're turning them into victims. All because there's a website that nobody needs to visit that hosts stupid shit like this.

>>61962723
>So where should the line be drawn?
That should be up to the courts to decide. People spout this "muuh private business free to do what they want" bullshit, but if that private business host 90% of the entire Internet they start to have a public obligation.

Muh private business is not an argument when a couple of Jewish tech oligarchs control the infrastructure of the internet

>>61962808
>what is tor meshnet i2p and freenet

>>61962751
People are getting too black and white. They jump to extremes with any argument now, it's getting quite silly. Even when it's not related to politics at all. I do think things would be better if at least some people just legit calmed the fuck down.

What I find really sad is the use of different words and concepts to defend invalid arguments in either side. It used to be where some people were arguing about their freedom of speech actually being taken away, and these days they're just abusing this rhethoric which also helps associate it with some extremists, while other extremists just go like "fuck freedom of speech, it is cancer" because they do not know what they're talking about either.

It's like, you say you love the world, you're doing heinous things from my perspective, I hate you, so I guess I have to hate the world. It's a global kindergarten out there.

>>61962772
>These are not the same.
Mainly because I never claimed the second thing, yes.

My point was, if it becomes common practices for CEOs to ban things they disagree with, then these CEOs will become the people who can win elections.
If they started to ban anything that has to do with their opposition party(from ANYWHERE on the political spectrum), because they are a private company, how would you think that would end?

>People don't protest that Twitter/Zuckerbook is blocking ISIS's accounts left and right, so why is this different in any way?
Because they are not political "players", they are the enemy of the state, but if the banning goes from enemies to the state to citizens (how shitty their opinions may be), then the gates are slowly opening for the banning of people with more moderate opinions.
You might call daily stormer a terrorist organization, but they are not atleast not more then antifa, or communists.

>>61962826
>b-but we can't still talk to each other with some string and cans! we are totally free! who cares if my opinions are censored by corporations that control most of the internet?

>>61962573
The incoherent part is at the same time admitting you are biased (you dismissed someone's claim simply because you perceive him as nazi, and then realized that you shouldn't have) and denying you are biased (in your response to me).

>>61962835
>who cares if my opinions are censored by corporations that control most of the internet

this but unironically

>>61962826
not mainstream enough, to be relevant.

But maybe soon they will and we truly will have a free internet. But the fight will be against billions of dollar corporations and lobbyists who will do everything in their power to stop that.

>>61962841
i will reply in the same way
>what is being facetious

take an autism test

>>61962843
they're relevant enough to find whatever white supremacy news you might need.

>>61962021
>because the group was saying that Cloudflare secretly agreed with them and held the same beliefs
This is actually why /pol/tards and similar folk are retarded.
They aren't content with being let to do their nazi crap in their own corner and occasionaly crack a joke about niggers and jews with everyone else.
They get uppity, start shitposting everywhere, and then have the nerve of claiming they are one of them, that they are crucial to its popularity, that everyone from the mods to fellow users share their worldview, and everyone who is tired of alt-right autism is some triggered liberal that needs a safe space

>>61962861
>it was but a jest!

Regardless of your stance on the site comes down to free speech or not in a practical sense this was fucking retarded. Like >>61961052 mentions it keeps all the neo nazi retards centralized in a single place. Now with the website down they're all gonna scatter around like cockroaches and shit everything else up. Hope you like more off topic /pol/ threads cause a lot of these assholes are gonna be coming here now.

>>61962876
non argument

>>61962760
>But that is practically irrelevant, it won't be just 4chan, sooner or later they will come for other sites. After they have banned the far right, they will move further left, never stopping. Some day they will have arrived at your position.
Ah yes, the good old slippery slope fallacy. I knew that couldn't be far away. The reality is that society as a whole isn't united enough to clamp down *that* hard on much, and gets much less and less united the further left that target line moves.

>>61962884
My argument is your response is incoherent and you decided to not address it, so I'm just pointing and laughing at you now.

>>61962894
my response is perfectly coherent

There is literally no reason white people should be allowed on the internet

Prove me wrong

>>61962861
>Just use these alternative services!
>They're probably good enough for white nationalists, so they're good enough for everyone!!!

You're so dumb that I can only laugh.

>>61962907
only sane response in whole thread

>>61962905
In order to continue claiming that, you must address the argument I made in my post, which you did not.

>>61960655
Sadly he opened the door and will have to deal with the consequences.

He will be nagged to hell to remove all sorts of websites by all sides, specially the corporate ones.

>>61962922
you have no argument

>>61962907
>>61962920
Do you guys have a nazi memorabilia ruler with a skin color guide to determine who's white?

>>61962443
>label others altright
>the same happens to you
>STOP THIS IS RACISM

>>61962890
>Ah yes, the good old slippery slope fallacy
Of course. And it is pretty much impossible to deny its existence. Google is already banning "hate speech" when they can. To argue that the direction that we are headed in is a good one is ridiculous.

>The reality is that society as a whole isn't united enough to clamp down *that* hard on much
That is the problem here. You DON'T need unity to achieve this censorship. It is practically irrelevant.
If there are single people in power (the CEOs of big tech companies) who can shut down parts of the political system (they have already proven that they are capable of that) then no unity is needed.

>less and less united the further left
Antifa/Communists seem pretty united to me. They use the exact same communication routes as the far right.

>>61962443
stop talking alt left.

We know you exist, now back to /leftypol/

>>61962944
No, he means his antifa buddies will never be banned because the Silicon Valley CEOs are supporting them in the first place

>>61960655

Thread on /pol/.

Weev claims that ICANN has banned Daily Stormer from registering with anyone.

Is this legal?

I know Obama turned over control of ICANN to a non-government body, but wouldn't they beholden to certain stipulations, like neutrality?

Otherwise, with Net Neutrality effective keeping ISP's under government restriction, but ICANN being under private contorl and not beholden to neutrality...wouldn't that create a bind where a private entity can effectively block anyone from the public internet that they want?

I'm not actually a /pol/ack, or at least not a White Supremacist, but I'm definitely in the quasi-libertarian camp and this seems really concerning.

>>61962933
That's not it.

>>61962907
"People" shouldn't be allowed on the internet at all. I can't wait for the transhuman revolution. The sooner we purge the majority of these useless meatbags and replace them with cybernetic gods, the better. I only pray that there's a computer powerful enough to stick my brain in and simulate a heavenly reality for my send off.

The nazi only gave everyone the excuse they wanted to put all sorts of censorship tools up without repercussions.

But that was unavoidable.
Welcome to the future and the real civil war.
The one where you fight to not let the mega corporations turn the internet into a gentrified censored hell where they can tell your ISP to cut you off permanently because you complained about a shitty plastic hinge on your phone.

>>61960736

Amazon has started with removing anti-semitic books. Which is odd, considering the wealth of material they continue to carry that is illegal in many countries.

Anyway, the other big factor here that concerns me is this;

Nothing the Daily Stormer carries is illegal under U.S. law.

Content that is illegal has been reported to hosting entities multiple times in the past, and the reaction is negligible.

The tor project took to twitter to condemn the Daily Stormer (again, racist neo-nazi site that is none the less not illegal), yet have never issued statements condemning the wealth of terrorism related material (from Islamic to White Supreamcist) that contains illegal, literal instructions on how to conduct terrorist attacks and precisely who and where to target - and that's not even beginning to mention the Cheese Pizza.

This, over a site that is essentially a shock humor site.

The idea that they're moving towards closing down things based not on their legality or potential for damage, but based on "largest twitter outcry" is worrisome.

The fact that they can do this so easily but they can't get rid of the ISIS videos implies to me that they like the ISIS videos

Like when eBay banned the Confederate flag but you could still buy ISIS flags

What's so great about ISIS anyway?

>>61962971
This honestly.
Why are people so afraid to merge with a sentient AI?

I can't wait until I can dive the internet like in Ghost in the Shell.

>>61961894

ISIS sites engaged in illegal activity do. But not Pro-Islamic (if you want to define it this way, "extremist") websites containing no illegal material.

In fact, even in the U.K. many of these sites remain up and free to acces (while piracy and pornography sites are restricted) under the assumption that it will drive them directly to the dark web and illegal material.

>>61962207

Because the tech companies are acting as artificial gatekeepers. Notice their support of "net-neutrality".

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>>61963001

Pic related.

He's literally saying he's okay with terrorism and child rape.

Just not offensive jokes by racists.

>>61962907
So now that Bryan Lunduke is a turbo neo nazi white supremacist KKK member shitlord that shouldn't be allowed to speak on the internet, do you still follow him /g/?

>>61963061
Oh, didn't mean to quote that post.

>>61963061
Yes, even more enthusiastically.

He needs to make sure that the white ethno state will be running Linux.

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Lmao

The TOR guys decided that right here, right now was finally the time to begin condemning shit on TOR

I think the trolls were right, they really ARE a bunch of kid fuckers

>>61962826

tor are looking for a way to kick them off, lol.

>>61962616
A list of companies to avoid

>>61963085
They did it to save themselves from bad RP. Still they are retarded

>>61963014
Can't wait until chrome glitterbois you can fuarrrk up with a diy jammer are mainstream in the streets so I can begin living as a vagrant.
Sleep in their couches while they convulse on the floor, take their cash and contactless card for breakfast then toss it and move on to the next.
And I'll never get caught because their glassy eyes can't into my IRhat.

>>61962944
>Google is already banning "hate speech" when they can. To argue that the direction that we are headed in is a good one is ridiculous.
Banning hate speech is a better direction than letting Nazis do their thing. To argue that letting Nazis do their thing is a good thing to do is so fucking ridiculous I can hardly believe anyone other than Nazis think it's a good idea
>>The reality is that society as a whole isn't united enough to clamp down *that* hard on much
>That is the problem here. You DON'T need unity to achieve this censorship. It is practically irrelevant.
>If there are single people in power (the CEOs of big tech companies) who can shut down parts of the political system (they have already proven that they are capable of that) then no unity is needed.
I dunno, "CEOs of big tech companies become de facto dictators" is a bit of a stretch. I'm not sure that any are enough of a monopoly that they could effectively silence a significant number of people.
>>less and less united the further left
>Antifa/Communists seem pretty united to me. They use the exact same communication routes as the far right.
They're really not. Certainly not enough to maintain that kind of focus on shutting up people on the center-right, never mind anyone on the left.

>>61962877
nigga this board has been 90% /pol/ for the past 2 fucking years. "containment" was a mistake, /n/ was a mistake, and you are a mistake.

>>61961894

ISIS recruiting sites are about actively causing terrorism. I'm a libertarian, and I'm not sure I disagree with shutting down their websites. TDS was a bunch of LARPing Nazi fags talking how much they hate black and Jew penis 24/7. They were merely practicing their retarded speech and nothing more.

>>61963105
>the guys who defend the rights of people to upload videos of toddlers getting dicked are suddenly worried about PR
???

>>61963107
>Banning hate speech is a better direction than letting Nazis do their thing. To argue that letting Nazis do their thing is a good thing to do is so fucking ridiculous I can hardly believe anyone other than Nazis think it's a good idea
They will continue to do their thing elsewhere, but in a way that is harder to infiltrate on the group and with even more dangerous ideas, as the level heads won't be able to reach for the group anymore
>I dunno, "CEOs of big tech companies become de facto dictators" is a bit of a stretch. I'm not sure that any are enough of a monopoly that they could effectively silence a significant number of people.
You're assuming they will stop with the nazis, which you can't know for sure, but you can be quite sure that people will try to force em to ban more things they dislike.

>>61963107
>Banning hate speech is a better direction than letting Nazis do their thing. To argue that letting Nazis do their thing is a good thing to do is so fucking ridiculous I can hardly believe anyone other than Nazis think it's a good idea
I seriously can't believe you wrote this. Are you insane? Do you want total censorship of the internet?

>I dunno, "CEOs of big tech companies become de facto dictators" is a bit of a stretch. I'm not sure that any are enough of a monopoly that they could effectively silence a significant number of people.
But it has already happened. The gates are open now.

>They're really not. Certainly not enough to maintain that kind of focus on shutting up people on the center-right, never mind anyone on the left.
WHAT? Do you remember Hamburg during G20? Antifa literally shut down an entire city.

>>61963107
>Banning hate speech is a better direction than letting Nazis do their thing

If "their thing" is making silly shock news websites, then no, it's not.

When people do actually illegal things like, say, run over a fat chick with a car, those people should be arrested and tried. It is not justice to then silence the speech of everyone who holds the same political views as the perpetrator.

So let me get this straight:

Some dude runs people over and goes a bit too fucking far, suddenly the entire movement should be pretty much extinct and some people think -ALL- whites should apologize for it

But hey, all the terrorist attacks we had in the last 2 years in Europe and all the beatings by antifa mean nothing, it's just a few people with no motivation or ties to any substantial groups and you should move along, so we keep the party going?

>>61963122
Isis recruitment sites are also one of the best ways to track down potential terrorists.

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>>61963158
>Tor
>track down
leave this board

>>61963149
What are you talking about? What does the daily stormer, a nazi website in the literal sense and not the leftist "everything is a nazi" sense, getting kicked off their hosting service have to do with "all whites apologizing"

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>>61963175
Hello, my name is mohamed mugabi derpa derpa!
I want to join your ISIS thing to blow up infideals derpa herpa.

>>61963149
It's not suddenly mate, the fucking Nazi movement should have already been made extinct.

>>61963193
Why?

>>61963175
People constantly drop the ball while on Tor.
They log into email accounts. Share email. Contact each other in other ways.
Many terror sites are also run by governments.

I think your just being naive.

>>61963193
It would not be a thing if they had no ammo to go with.
But the nazis got a LOT of ammo to go with, and no much competition from saner right movements.

>>61961052
Can we make sure they end up back on Stormfront?

The fact that whites alone must be barred from identity politics when the 21st century revolves around identity politics is astonishing

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>>61961967
Good luck with that

>>61963085

>Hundreds of thousands of raped kids

>Tens of thousands victims of terrorism

While bad, it doesn't really drive someone to question their morality in the same way a troll website making fun of a dead protester does.

There are limits we reach that finally break our resolve and make us look inwards.

Violent pedophilia and nation ruining religious extremism are lines for many, but for the truly jaded it's not until a skinhead says; "lol dead fat chick is fat" that someone breaks through your shell.

Anyway, they can't actually do anything about it, so it's empty virtue signalling and all the perverts, pirates and prejudiced persons will be safe for now.

>>61963237
They don't control what is allowed on tor and what isn't.

>>61963232
>I should be allowed to participate in a feces flinging competition
suit yourself

>>61962088
>Hell, some people claim that Tor is already compromised.
Regardless of there being any truth in this, it would be in the best interests of the government and it's surveilence agencies to defend our right to free speech on the internet. What few people realize is, our government doesn't fear "hate groups" and their politics, they fear hate groups and their tendencies to hoard weapons. Look into past conflicts between the government and almost any fringe group, and you'll quickly see the pattern. Anyways, allowing these people to gather and speak publicly, greatly reduces the leg-work involved in keeping an eye on them. The leftists who wish to deny them these freedoms are only shooting themselves in the foot. I believe the saying is "Know your enemy".

>>61963253
>Implying politics has at any point in time been more then flinging shit
Every side has always done it.

>>61963246
>the truly jaded it's not until a skinhead says; "lol dead fat chick is fat"
A jaded person would not give a flying fuck about a fat dead chick. What the fuck?

>>61963253
The last two POTUS both relied strictly on identity politics, calling for one side to rhetorically disarm is calling for that side to be disbanded. It's a consequence of increasing diversity.

>>61962616

The PayPal bounce worries me.

It's the same thing that happened with Wikileaks back in the day (look how well that went).

I don't like when nominally disinterested, neutral parties start politically aligning (against content that isn't illegal).

With Wikileaks there was some kind of argument to make about it's legal status. These however are benign sites.

I also saw on the twitter feed (shut down and now up again) of the group conducting these operations that they want to target Tor and Bitcoin next with attacks.

More spooky - They were retweeted by Geroge Soros himself. Not even a parody or company account, his personal one. Which might explain why the twitter feed was reinstated.

They also claimed they were working on removing 4chan at the moment.

>>61962616

Also, the SPLC's presence, like the ADL's is worrying, as they aren't a neutral organization like the ACLU. They have very specific political agendas - which was highlighted recently by them listing "Atheists and Apostates", i.e. Muslims or former Muslims critical of Extremist Islam. Even Bill Maher, a fairly left of center individual is contributing money towards a lawsuit regarding that.

>>61960655
how do they still allow 4chan to exist?

>>61960655
>What happens when major internet infrastructure decides to stop being neutral?
What happens when nazi ass not getting enough kicks on daily basis?

>>61963308
Give it another year or two

Maybe three - if Kamala Harris becomes President in 202" we'll see massive crackdowns on everything

>>61963316
You are too biased to provide a valuable contribution to the discussion.

>>61963316
fuck off take your bait to >>>/pol/

>>61962616

>Removes Gab app

...

Jesus, they're going all out now. I understand stuff like blocking Daily Stormer (though if it's now coming from ICANN, that's a BIG worry) or removing Identity Europa's PayPal account...But shutting down App's because they aren't pro-censorship?

That's a big worry. A big one.

The Chan's are definitely going down next.

>>61963308
I think we're still riding on the past actions of Anonymous, who were more or less, moderately liberal on the surface.

>>61962636

I would agree - but a lot of this list clearly has nothing to do with Nazis, on top of which the internet is a heavily regulated service, supposedly to maintain a sense of neutrality. Companies cannot advocate for government intervention to suppress competition, then turn around and claim to be private entities unbeholden to any standards, without facing criticism.

I certainly want to know A LOT more about the ICANN situation with the Daily Stormer.

>>61962637

>despite the fact that you have perhaps the most powerful research tool humanity will ever create at the tips of your fingers.

Not for long it seems.

>>61963308
it's infested with (((mods)))
and it won't last much longer anyway

>>61962709

They also are not giving platforms to applications that have no effect on their P.R.

It's corporations meddling in politics, and it's corporations PROTECTED from the usual rules of business by government monopolies.

It's fucked.

There are a lot of registrars and hosts that dont care about what you do.

But they tend to cost extra.

>>61963308
>>61963360
When will people make their own chan boards on tor and just leave 4chan once it becomes another retarded place for babies?

>>61963362
Are you implying the Left is in cohoots with Big Business? Surely you are mistaken! The Left represents Robin Hood and his merry men! Down with the corporate overlords! Down with the 1% !

>>61962772

ICANN has told hosting companies to block the daily stormer.

>Utilize an ISP not beholden to ICANN

You can't, by law, unless you're in India. So at least Indians will be free to tell bad jokes and complain about being murdered by extremists.

>>61963416
Country tlds dont follow the same rules as icann.
Thats why the pirate bay on .se for example was so hard to take down.

>>61963107

>Banning hate speech is a better direction than letting Nazis do their thing. To argue that letting Nazis do their thing is a good thing to do is so fucking ridiculous I can hardly believe anyone other than Nazis think it's a good idea

Anyone who thinks removing free speech because people have ideas they don't like is the worst possible direction a society can go in. Anyone who thinks otherwise is so fucking ridiculous I can hardly believe anyone other than dictatorial extremists think it's a good idea.

>I'm not sure that any are enough of a monopoly that they could effectively silence a significant number of people.

Hence the importance of this debate. They currently have an enormous monopoly - this increases it further.

>>61962443
Day or the rope soon Bolshevik scum

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>>61963447
>Anyone who thinks otherwise is so fucking ridiculous I can hardly believe anyone other than dictatorial extremists think it's a good idea.
If you put it to a referendum, "free" speech would lose in a landslide and you know it

>>61963445
.nl for example always has privacy protect on. It cant even be disabled.

>>61963478
But that is because a majority of people are fucking retarded.

The french french revolution was a mistake, Democracy should have never happened.

>>61962612
>my position was in support of a private entity exercising their rights to not service a customer.
but gay cakes and shit

>>61963308

They won't. Same group that got DS and a few other major racist outlets removed is now working on having 4chan removed.

The CloudFlare guy won't do it, but ICANN (apparently - still trying to find confirmation) can prohibit CloudFlare from hosting 4chan. Now that ICANN is in private hands, it won't require 4chan to even be accused of illegal content. They can be blocked at the political discretion of the board.

So...Unless you want to go the TOR route, they can quite easily, and probably will, remove 4chan.

>>61963447
>They currently have an enormous monopoly - this increases it further.
This. And allowing them to get away with this will only work to their advantage when they decide their monopolies aren't good enough. People are basically granting them the power to shutdown anyone who may try to speak out against their business practices in the future. If you supported things like Net Nuetrality and SOPA, yet support the actions against Cletus and his German Windmill collection, you're a complete fucking hypocrite and no better than the people you are trying to silence.

>>61963308
It'll happen eventually and you'll see a 180 from a bunch of retards.

>>61963406

I don't really care who is in cahoots with anyone. I just don't like censorship, and I don't like that companies that practice it on the basis of "muh free market" are also protected FROM the free market.

>>61963445

ICANN can shut down those domains, they just didn't because of the uproar and problems it would cause.

That's why I want confirmation on Weev's assertion that ICANN "effectively blocked" them - because it's a strangely big step for them to take.

Also, the Pirate Bay rustling between Costa Rica, the U.S. and ICANN took place prior to ICANN becoming priavately controlled.

>>61963478

I'm actually not sure about that. But by the same token, if you put it to a referendum, Islam would be banned in the west, homosexuals wouldn't be allowed to get married and all sorts of other shenanigans. So it's not really a good argument.

Also, tyranny of the majority is kind of the reason free speech is necessary, no?

>>61963478

>Anarchist

>Lobbying for massive state intervention and autocracy

...yeah, no.

>>61962541
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences :^)
And yes, there are people who unironically say this

>>61960655
>What does /g/ think?
They made a good decision.

>>61962541
This, pretty much

>>61963579
>They made a good decision.
That is certainly true, I really wanted someone to ruin the Internet so bad that I won't use it anymore.

>>61963599
No, that is retarded (and a shitty reddit webcomic).
>>61962582

>>61963551
>I don't really care who is in cahoots with anyone.
I was being sarcastic, anon. Simply expanding on a point you made and the insanity of the people involved.

>>61962541

>They're showing you the door

Uh huh. Shame Net Neutrality and the CRA exists, effectively rendering this argument completely invalid.

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>>61963107
>Banning hate speech is a better direction than letting Nazis do their thing.

Christ all mighty, I never thought I'd live in an age where I said "First they came for the Nazis but I didn't say anything because I wasn't a Nazi". This is like some bizarro Godwin's law if I ever saw it.

If you're calling for people to have their speech shut down just because of their ideological beliefs because you think they have no right in this world, then what do you call that? Does it not sound familiar, almost sounding exactly like what you say you're opposed to? If you can't see the holes in your logic now, you never will.

>>61963478
Good, I want both of them to fall off the cliff

Host partiality opens up a can of worms, because Google at al insisted the contrary when it came to issues regarding copyright infringing material. Now every watchdog has the precedent to sue the pants off of these hosts, until the Web becomes sterile public domain territory.

>>61963673
You are sitting in the middle between them.

>>61963679
What do you mean? I am capitalist as fuck, and authoritarian as well.

>>61963649
What the fuck did these fags even do besides make fun of blacks? The virtue signalling these companies are doing is ridiculous.

>>61963649

Nazis weren't even that censorous.

(if they didn't like an opinion they usually just killed someone rather than censor them)

This actually has a German precedent though. It's Stasi 101.

It's interesting reading for youngfags - The notion that photocopy machines and type writers were registered so that producers of Wrong Think could be identified and "rectified". You even had proto-onion routing net works - people would rewrite articles and essays to mask the identity of the original author from analysis, then physically smuggle the copies to the West to have them published (there) and copied in large quantities to smuggle back.

>>61963688
The people on the bridge represent the extremes of the political spectrum, between them is the rest of the world.

If the government starts banning nazis it won't be soon til they ban you as well.

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>Should the internet be policed?

Not to this extent. Censorship hurts everyone by creating response escalation and ideological manipulation. The internet and WWW were made to spread information. Information should be free.

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Who the fuck is spamming /g/ everyday with those threads

MODS

>>61963692
>(if they didn't like an opinion they usually just killed someone rather than censor them)
>My censorship dial goes to 11!

>>61963709
>If the government starts banning nazis
Govt isn't doing that, free market is. The first amendment is being well preserved

>>61963724
I correct myself then, if companies are starting to ban nazis they will someday come for you.

You being an "authoritarian" is probably enough to land your beliefs on the "googles list of forbidden Ideas" pretty fast.

>>61963724

>Free market

The internet is a public utility not exposed to the free market, friendo.

>>61963724
So if I were to ask Google to bake me a gay Nazi wedding cake, and they refused, you'd be ok with this?

>Literally, I woke up in a bad mood and decided someone shouldn’t be allowed on the Internet.
>CloudFlare CEO, 2017
>>Literally, I woke up in a bad mood and decided someone shouldn’t be allowed on the Reich.
>Hitler, 1934

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>>61963719
>Discussing the onslaught of the internet getting full on censored is not /g/ related

Fuck right off.

>>61963735
>if companies are starting to ban nazis they will someday come for you.
And the company will face backlash if it goes against the majority of the people's voice. However, in this case, nazis are by themselves. Sorry but tough luck.

>>61963736
Internet is not a public utility, it comes with a price and it's a service provided by the companies

>>61963745
>Nazi wedding cake
I don't like nazis like the majority of people so I wouldn't order that.
On the other hand, If I ordered a cake with libertarian message on it they will accept it, probably. Otherwise I would find other companies

>>61963777
>And the company will face backlash if it goes against the majority of the people's voice. However, in this case, nazis are by themselves. Sorry but tough luck.
And this is how freedom dies.

>>61963777
Nice try but libertarians are nazi sympathizers. Enjoy being blacklisted as well.

>>61963787
Freedom? I don't think being a nazi is just about being free as being a murderer

>>61963721

Ha.

It's Pre-Censorship. Hard to write a damning article when you're dead.

They relied on violence and overwhelming propaganda (so not much different from what the Democrats utilize in their union with Antifa, BAMN, WeAreChange etc and CNN/NBC/ABC etc)

>>61963797
If that was the case liberals would not be laughing their asses off right about now.

>>61963797
I'm not a nazi sympathizer, sorry

It's really about ethics in gaming journalism

>>61963735
>You being an "authoritarian" is probably enough to land your beliefs on the "googles list of forbidden Ideas" pretty fast.
It's a logical conclusion given the fact that both sides of the political spectrum seem intent on deprecating their former ideas and becoming more "X-TREME!" with each passing day.

>>61963777

>Internet is not a public utility, it comes with a price and it's a service provided by the companies

Just like all public utilities you moron.

I know your parents pay your bills, but believe it or not the electricity powering your computer isn't provided by the government - it's regulated strictly by them.

Just like the internet.

And wouldn't you know, the very same companies that refuse service based on the notion of "free market" are the ones pushing for the government to maintain control over the internet to prevent them from facing free market competition at the ISP level.

Funny huh?

Amazing, right? A few weeks ago, right wingers were willing to kill off net-neutrality and now all of a sudden they are screeching about free speech (which is not being hurt)

>>61963777

The majority of people don't like homosexuals.

But we have to Bake Those Cakes.

>>61963809
Sorry but I work for megacorp#645 and you have been blacklisted. Expect your internet access to be turned off soon.
Good day.

>>61960655
They should host their own servers

>>61963843
A domain name is not a server.

>>61963826
>electricity powering your computer isn't provided by the government - it's regulated strictly by them.
Exactly. Electricity and computers aren't public utilities as well. You are a bit slow but you are heading to the right direction

>>61963840
>The majority of people don't like homosexuals.
IDK about that, popular cultures worldwide seems to deny your claim. Popular music videos, movies, TV shows even anime is very pro homosexuality

>>61963830

See >>61963830

>free speech, which is not being hurt

Did you miss the last week or...?

>>61963862
what

>>61963787
We had a word fucking war to decide that Nazis are bad and shouldn't be given a soap box to stand on.

The 1st amendment ensures the government won't lock you up for spewing your vile hate speech. It does not entitle you to a microphone and an audience. Private citizens can still tell you to fuck off.

Again, we fought an entire world war to decide this.

>>61963798
>being a murderer
How many cops has black lives matter murdered since that became a thing? I'm willing to bet it's a hell of a lot more than some larping nerds.

>>61963690
Have you been on a /pol/ nazi thread? Half of the anons posting there are black larping as white nationalist.

>>61960655
The worst part is that I think the site is just really deep trolling / satire, and now we will be zerged with these stormfags.

They are not genuine nazis, that would be nordfront etc

>>61963859

>Electricity
>Not public utility

You're a troll or stupid. There is no point continuing discussion with you on that topic.

>IDK about that

We do know, because the question was put to vote, the public said "No, we don't want to allow homosexuals to marry" and the democratic decision was overturned by the SCOTUS.

Sort of like how the SCOTUS recently affirmed that Hate Speech is protected speech, and people producing hate speech are allowed access to public services and to continue practicing this right.

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Know your enemy. You can run but you cannot hide. Whatever new internet you build. The jews will find it, subvert it, and kick you out again.

>>61963919
and jewsm there is lit israeli flags everywhere there

>>61963901
I thought we fought that "word" war because after the previous war everyone decided that if someone tried to take over the world by invading other countries then we'd have to have a war about it. I mean, if it was only about nazis being bad then we probably wouldn't have commit the worst war crime in human history twice to Japan.

>>61963901
But Cloudflare didn't take away their microphone, and they didn't have an audience in the first place. The Daily Stormer can be compared to a hut where Nazi's gather in your metaphoric terms. I'm fairly certain (and I hope I'm correct on this) that you would disagree denying someone a house just because of their beliefs.

>>61963859
>Popular music videos, movies, TV shows even anime is very pro homosexuality
propaganda is real life

>>61963866

We saw a political rally, with a permit granted in federal court, shut down by the government, denying a basic first amendment right, on the pretext that the speech woudl generate violent attacks on those giving the speech.

It's a pretty dark day for the U.S. Constitution and liberties.

>>61963903
>They do it too
Is that supposed to be a justification?

>>61963929
But it is though? Electricity is a privatized service in every developed country

>>61963940
How is that a propaganda? Elaborate.

>>61963577
>Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences :^)
It does, actually.

>>61963945
I was thinking about this, couldn't they sue the city/mayor or whoever is responsible here for this?

>>61963901

>We had a word fucking war to decide that Nazis are bad and shouldn't be given a soap box to stand on.

You are historically illiterate.

>The 1st amendment ensures the government won't lock you up for spewing your vile hate speech.

Precisely why this issue is important. Private Citizens should not be in control of public utilities if they cannot remain neutural. Otherwise these utilities should be made private.

This doesn't even get into the denial of 1st Amendment rights by the government in the meat space with the Nazi rally.

>Again, we fought an entire world war to decide this.

No you didn't. You're either disingenuous or an idiot.

>>61963901
Back then you could not get into germany and kill the nazi party from inside with discussion, now you can.
Well, this until of course we ban the nazi to a place they go secretly and no one can touch and then they get isolated from any sane voice and turn into full monsters.

>>61960655
The fact that the internet is a privatized industry AND one of, if not the, most important tools for communication and information allows them too much control over what people can say. People will argue that it is fine, but that is because they agree with what is being removed now and are comfortable with the fact that what they care about or want to know about will remain. Actions like this should only have one impact, an impartial view of the action not the content. They can effectively censor anything and everything they want on a whim from the most important means of communication and sharing ever created.

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>>61963940
>propaganda is real life
Do you actually believe (((they))) are paying japan to slide in homosexuality into white weebs? This is some next level of retardation but then again, you probably are a conservative.

>>61961894
ISIS broke the law, now tell me what law tds has broken.
We need to protect all speech as free speech

>>61963945
>shut down by the government
Because the people of the rally started killing people, the Govt did what its supposed to do, which is secure the chance of getting re-elected again

>>61963975
Please don't forget, and I am trying not to drag /pol/ related issues in here and I don't feel that this is... Nazi has been used as a descriptor by people as of late for people who aren't. If people can no longer concretely define a Nazi then it is an ever inclusive group.

>>61963983
MUUUH GLOBALIST ARE PAYING GOOKS TO SHILL FAGGOTRY PROPAGANDA ALL ROUND THE GLOBE
kek imagine being this much of a schizo

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>muh slippery slope
You Nazi pussies can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen

Oh what am I saying? Looks like you've been banned from the kitchen :^)

>>61964004
That isn't true. Everyone should have left by then.
They declared a state of emergency because the police let people fight.
The car thing was way after.

>>61963952

Electricity is a public utility, you colossal dolt, in just about every single country on Earth except absolute shitholes like Somalia.

Telecommuniations (muh internet), Gas, Electricity, Water and Public Transport are all public utilities whose service governments allow private entities to provide in part on their behalf.

It's kind of important to national infrastructure that the people installing train lines or water plants aren't 4 random kids working out of their garage.

Much like what happened in the early 1990's with the internet.

>>61963969

They are, along with the ACLU (the ACLU were who petitioned the Federal Court to provide the Nazis with a permit to rally after the Mayor initially denied it to them).

>>61964023
Weak defence, I'll let you reply again

>>61963999
>ISIS broke the law
>We need to protect all speech as free speech
Make up your mind.

>>61963859
>IDK about that, popular cultures worldwide seems to deny your claim. Popular music videos, movies, TV shows even anime is very pro homosexuality
And parts of the South are anti-negro. Are you starting to see what's going on here? Your perception of things may not be reality for people elsewhere, and regardless of what the majority may think, the minority is protected by the laws of this nation. No, not special privilege, equal privilege and that goes for anyone no matter how firmly you disagree with them. When people begin to harm others or actually hinder the rights of others, then, and only then, you can begin the process of restricting rights.

>>61964026
>Electricity is a public utility,
The US government hasn't privatized the electricity yet?

>>61964030
Defense for what? What you said is literally false.
You said they shut it down BECAUSE they started killing people. That was after it was shut down.

>>61964031
Are you genuinely retarded? Driving a van into a crowd isn't speech.

>>61963983
>Do you actually believe (((they))) are paying japan to slide in homosexuality into white weebs?
Anime is hardly pro gay, unless you consider traps being pro gay. I was watching an anime the other day and a girl literally recoiled and made a gross face like she was scared of them when she assumed they were gay. I've seen that happen more times than anything pro gay.

>>61964015
I just think that the right solution is to just let everything be discussed just out of normies reach, and when shit looks serious, infiltrate the fuck out of it with the CIA, FBI etc..
Also no preference: If it looks like a violent shit, infiltration happens. Be antifa, be nazis, be radical My little pony extremists..

>>61964021
Like I said before, Nazi is no longer a concretely defined groups. White supremacists (still bad, if not worse) are called Nazis. White Nationalists are called White Supremacists (no, they are not the same). Civic Nationalists who happen to be white are called White Nationalists (and all of the above). Trump supporters are called Nazis. There are plenty of videos of centrist guys who are white being called Nazis. When the day is over it has become a slang term for white people in general as it is being used now. You can't base anything on catch all terms now. The same as Communist has become anyone on the left. I get this isn't fully related to this subject, but when services get cut for these groups it affects a much wider and ever growing range.

>>61964004

The rally was shut down half an hour before the scheduled start time by the Governor of Virginia, who declared a state of emergency, claiming that the violent attacks from counter-protesters would lead to a deadly conflict between the two groups. The police then dispersed the Alt-Right from the location, stating that the state of emergency required the streets to be cleared of all gatherings, stating that regrouping would be a felony. They did not disperse the counter-protesters at the location, leading to minor scuffles and violence.

About an hour and a half later, at a different locatoin (there were two other permitted rallies held by a variety of opposition groups to the alt-right, several blocks away from the Alt-Right rally) the Nazi Aspie rammed his car into two other cars, pushing them through a large crowd of people gathered in the street. He then ran away like a pussy and gave himself up to the cops.

There is so much lying going on about this issue that it's ridiculous. On one hand you have leftists claming they were peacefully "resisting" "Nazis", when they were violently attacking people to try and shut down a rally.

On the other hand you have the Nazis claiming the Aspie was "escaping an attack" despite the attack taking place nowhere near the rally, over an hour after the rally was over, and over an hour after the rally organizers had told everyone to leave the city limits or face arrest.

>>61964052
That would be much more reasonable than what we have now. You can argue the intrusion by government all day long (that is definitely a /pol/ related matter if it wasn't all shitposting) but intrusion by other civilians is another matter completely.

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>>61964035
>South are anti-negro.
Not the rest of the US (probably). Pretty sure the rest of the world couldn't give a shit about who you like to fuck, really. There are many, many pro-homo songs, shows, movies, comics etc and people don't complain about the homo shit, 2bh

For example, if a pro homo music video is out in the youtube you would probably judge how people react to it by seeing the view count, and the like ratio

>>61964043
The situation escalated to the point where it was possible this would happen, I correct myself then but my point still stands

>>61964048
Traps ARE gay, no denying that lmao

>>61964065
I addressed this, I was not correct on that claim

>>61964066
And most importantly, much more effective.
What is being done now is just sweeping the problem under the rug.

>>61963952
>How is that a propaganda? Elaborate.
Hollywood being pro gay doesn't make it popular opinion. Do you not know the definition of propaganda?

>>61964083
>Hollywood being pro gay doesn't make it popular opinion.
No, I'm sorry but hollywood IS popular unlike your alt-hollywood or whatever the fuck you like to call it. Last time I checked Bannon's movies were DOA

>>61964038

No first world country has fully privatized public utilities.

For instance - In the U.S. a private company generates and provides power. But it is managed and overseen by the government, controlling how the industry and the private companies operate and behave.

The exten to which they do this is a constant struggle between the private comapnies and the government, and a controversial one because of incidents like Flint's water supply, or Enron's rolling blackouts.

A lot of these systems were set up in response to the Robber Barron period that saw unbridled private companies dominate the country because of the essential services they provided without government oversight.

Kinda familiar, really.

>>61964078
Traps are not gay, if they look like girls

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>>61964047
What are you on about? Who made that argument?

>>61964107
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnwKbirT9_Q

>>61964078
>For example, if a pro homo music video is out in the youtube you would probably judge how people react to it by seeing the view count, and the like ratio
Well we can use that recent youtube pride promotion from earlier in this year and that was absolutely slammed.

>>61964081
What is being done now is much worse than that. I have never been to the daily stormer, would never go because I am not a white supremacist and question anything that says one group is supreme. However, they have their right to feel that way and discuss it. To cool off. To talk about themselves with those views, no matter how flawed. To take that away does a multitude of things. 1. Tells America that they are their enemies. (They may be rotten, but that doesn't make them as such). 2. Tells us there are beliefs that warrant less protection, which is not true. 3. And most important: Creates a martyr of their own beliefs. When you take people's ability to discuss it away it grows stronger. Others on the fence gravitate towards this taboo group. All of this, everything as of late, has been a giant mess due to cooler heads no longer even existing let alone prevailing.

>>61964095
What are you even talking about?

>>61964066

Intrusion by civlians should be addressed by the law - As we saw with the Nazi Larpers circle jerk the law allowed private citizens to commit crimes to prevent people from practicing their rights.

It's a pretty dangerous proposition - "You are safe from the government, not privatre entities!"

See how people would feel if that rationale was applied to the 13th amendment.

>>61964128
That's because youtube tried to re-sell an already well establish norm, public actually don't give a fuck if the content is actually okay.

For example (don't watch the video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYSVMgRr6pw
is a good hit because the content is good

>>61964114
kek
>>61964138
He's talking about the series of right wing fear/war mongering "movies" steve banon released that went into the trash

>>61964078

>For example, if a pro homo music video is out in the youtube you would probably judge how people react to it by seeing the view count, and the like ratio

So you can ascertain the public mood on a subject by viewing statistics tightly manipulated by an unaccountable private company?

Are we going to decide elections by the amount of upvotes, after reddit has banned and deleted accounts of everyone who upvotes in a manner the CEO disagrees with...?

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>>61963770
>painting a /pol/ thread with internet censorship makes it okay to post it on /g/

Go back to your containment board

>>61964137
I agree, this shit has gotten from annoying to very worrying

>>61964142
Well, right now that is the case. Private entities are doing much more damage and much more "street justice" than the law is even allowed to do. From abusing the "court of public opinion" to hurting people and destroying property. Then the private corporate entities are effectively censoring individuals and groups that they disagree with.

>>61964095

Hollywood's market share decreases year on year.

>Bannon's movies were DOA

His sitcom is one of the most popular of all time.

Even more popular than Will & Grace.

>>61964166
>statistics tightly manipulated
Pretty sure there are "feminist" videos got downvoted into the oblivion --only because the content were legitimately shit

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>>61964176
>His sitcom

>>61964168
Thanks for your contribution. Go discuss it in /mlp/. We are all board shifting and they are waiting for you there.

>>61964155
>He's talking about the series of right wing fear/war mongering "movies" steve banon released that went into the trash
Weird. Unlike him I don't believe in make-believe and can form my own opinions.

>>61964176
>Bannon's movies were DOA
>His sitcom is one of the most popular of all time.
Wrong again, his sitcom is NO WHERE near as popular as "liberal propaganda sitcoms"

>>61964078
>Not the rest of the US (probably).
That is the point here. You see, the so called Nazi's are a minority amongst minorities. The laws of this country protect certain freedoms for everyone, they aren't dealt out based on weither or not the majority agrees. You don't get to vote on who will be granted freedom, it is given and taken away only if you infringe on the rights of others. Unless the entire group of Nazi's had committed some verifiable act against an invidual(s) that prevented that person or group from exercising their rights, then no action can be taken. This is law. This is what protects you, too.

>>61964170
Yeah, sadly I don't see this slowing. Just to let you know anon. I will miss this one conversation we had when they shut down our internet.

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>>61964176
>Hollywood's market share decreases year on year.
The ones that are up-rising are pretty pro diversity as well, makes you think, huh

>>61964026
So, one of the main channels for unrestricted internet has thrown a hissy fit against nazi larpers, we are doing a "first they came for the nazis" thing, fucking Soros is retweeting this shit, and the ACLU has allied with alt-righters to uphold their right to nazi-style protests, torches and all.
I know war makes for strange bedfellows and all that, but im living in a weird, twilight zone cyberpunk future

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>>61964186
>/pol/ler asking others to go to their own boards

The irony is rich in this one

>>61964175

Of course. The counter-protesters should have been arrested and removed the instant they broke the law at the Nazi rally.

Precisely to prevent stupid shit like what happened from happening.

The governments inability to maintain law and order is a very worrisome sign. It takes countries down a road to ruin.

>>61963227
>this post
Its kind of funny how out of the loop you are. You've been spouting this kind of thing for so many years that you actually don't have any idea what Stormfront is. Its a forum where the average user age is 50. The long time users are 40 to 65 now. It isn't a high traffic board, and it never was. It was always nothing but a boogeyman for you lefty nuts to scream about.

The Daily Stormer however is edgy Howard Stern material for Fashy teens. Their target audience is kids in high school. Its low brow offensive humor, heavy satirical tone. A common staple was publishing emails with triggered people. Thats the sort of content they were into.

All of the virtue signaling against them coming from the left now is ridiculous. Its a joke site and you all think it was some enormous die hard Nazi rallying point. It wasn't.

The whole tech industry just established the very real precedent of political censorship over a joke website. You need to fucking think about that long and hard. Slippery slope is not a fallacy, its a plan of action.

>>61964188

His sitcom is the fifth most popular of all time.

>>61964209

None of them are uprising.

Other than Star Wars, the most recent film to gain a bigger market share than movies prior to the year 2000 is Avatar.

Which I suppose was pretty diverse, if you count furries as a unique class.

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>>61964202
I will miss you too friend, but don't you worry, when they shut this place down, I will set their server farms ablaze IRL

>>61964216
The irony is what adds flavor.
>>61964217
Yeah, the precedent being set for public interactions is just flat out dangerous. But, so is the one being set for online censorship. All at once too. Does not bode well.

>>61963798
>Freedom? I don't think being a nazi is just about being free as being a murderer
it is not illegal to be a nazi.
The companies are practicing vigilante justice.

>>61964270
>it is not illegal to be a nazi.
If not, it should be, nazism is a form of terrorism

>>61964210

It's not that unusual.

The ACLU famously protected the rights of Nazis to march in Illionois in 1977. Two years prior to the KKK shooting and killing 5 Communist counter-protesters.

There isn't really anything new here. The same battles fought over a different medium.

>>61964264
You do that, I'll rescue moot so we can start anew.

>>61964275
Well your political views are a danger to MY freedom and they should be illegal.

>>61964217
>Nazi rally
I thought it was a "Unite the Right" rally?

>>61963901
>We had a word fucking war to decide that Nazis are bad and shouldn't be given a soap box to stand on.
Being a nazi never was illegal.

>The 1st amendment ensures the government won't lock you up for spewing your vile hate speech. It does not entitle you to a microphone and an audience. Private citizens can still tell you to fuck off.
Yes and you are next. If you seriously believe that they will stop at the nazis then you are deluded.

>Again, we fought an entire world war to decide this.
No, "you" didn't.

>>61964275
>>61964283
Define what a Nazi is. Because lately that has been a very broad stroke of the old identification brush.

>>61964275

I disagree with your opinion that ideas should be illegal.

There's not much I guess we can say on that matter.

>>61962106
>If it becomes standard practice to drop every website the CEO does not agree with then we are entering a very grim age.

We entered a grim age when people stopped hosting their own content.

>>61964290
>>61964310
"nazi" is basically meaningless at this point

>>61964275
>If not, it should be
Yes, in that case also include Islamists, Communists, SJWs, Antifa, etc..
They are all just as guilty.

You know what? Why din't we just ban everyone who disagrees with you, since hurting your feelings is apparently the greatest crime ever committed.

>nazism is a form of terrorism
I see you get it.
Islam is also a for of terrorism, not all muslims are terrorists, but HEY WHY NOT JUDGE AN ENTIRE GROUP BASED ON 1 PERSON, I don't see how that might end badly.

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>>61964310
Anyone that supports Trump.

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>>61964283
>>61964313
You are missing the massive out numbering population who think the same way as me. If nazis are the minors of the minors, I don' t think their views should not dominate the rest of the worlds population

>>61964310
>Define what a Nazi is.
These people (see pic)