What's a good reason for brands removing the 3.5mm port

>>61872994
because they want to cuck us into buying shitty adapters for $50

> brands
> apple

>>61872994
My only guess is "waterproofing" or increasing water resistance, which seems retarded to me.

Retards who drop their phones in liquids deserve it.

>>61873012
>HTC
>ZTE
>Xiaomi
>Google pixel

>>61873012
Have you been under a rock?

>>61872994
USB-C and Lightning provide supposedly better music quality.
Also, if done right, saves some space for larger batteries and other internal components (see Xiaomi Mi6).

I personally would have a problem with it, as I solely rely on bluethooth headphones these days, because my headphone jack is fucked up, so I wouldn't have a problem with it, except when my headphones run out of juice.

>>61873022
Some of us work a lot in environments where features like that aren't undesirable but I do agree with you. I don't care about 3.5mm jack or music at all really, but I like a big screen that's invincible, so I got an iPhone 7 plus in a lifeproof case and shit is cash.

>>61873022
i work 1st line phone support for the biggest phone company in Norway and just today a customer told me he had "rinsed off" his iPhone 5 by rubbing it while holding it under running water.
He then proceeded to ask me if this could be the cause of the phone misbehaving the last couple of days. Needless to say I sold him a new iPhone SE

>>61873067
>Plug dongle in
>Plug earphones in
>Put in pocket
It's surprisingly extremely unpleasant.

Also can't plug earphones in while charging gets to me too

>>61872994
Jews. It's always jews.

usb ports are thinner. People want thinner phones, so this was inevitable.

The real question is, when are usb earphones be as cheap and common as 3.5mm earphones?

Major reason is probably cost, even a $0.30 jack add up when you're talking about millions of devices.

Secondary reason is probably just trying to be trendy and "push technology forward," totally ignoring that a large chunk of your user base still utilizes this feature. Basically the same shit Apple pulls all the time to great success, so not surprising other companies would be trying to emulate it.

>>61873079
Yup, and that's totally fine. The case industry will always be there.

>>61873067
I suppose this is a possibility, but I feel like it would be worse on battery life as the USB Type-C headphone is most likely a headphone and DAC which requires extra power.

>>61873096
.____.

>>61873100
Wait until now I just assumed they replaced the jack with an extra usb port, are you telling me these phones only have one port in total?

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>>61873112
>People want thinner phones
What the fuck?

>>61873128
Yup. Only one type C or lightning port. They've completely removed the dedicated audio port.

>>61873128
think different.

yes they literally have the single port and don't even include dongles

>>61873067
Yup they can if they transfer audio digitally and it is converted at a headset for lightning or USB that maybe uses auxiliary power to boost, instead of at the 3.5mm traditional cable, which is ancient. Even USB 2.0 headsets are leagues better, you notice if you ever try to listen some quality .flac music on a premium 3.5 mm headset vs a premium USB headset.

>>61873067
>USB-C and Lightning provide supposedly better music quality
No it fucking doesn't. Stop parroting retarded bullshit.

>>61873145
HTC dongles are proprietary, you can't use cheap third party ones on the U11 ultra and U11.

>>61872994
I want a niggress like that

>>61873067
It's literally the same fucking signal over a different port.

You may as well be saying HDMI has better digital image quality than DVI on a FHD display when is the fucking same shit.

>>61873147
My only problem is that are there any reputable headphone manufacturers that make good USB C or Lightning headphones?

>>61873143
Biased poll is biased.

If the question had been "All other things being equal, would you prefer a thinner or thicker phone?" a significant majority would have answered thinner.

>>61872994
You can force the consumer to buy pricey headphones or adapters, depending on if they're brand loyal.
For example, Apple includes both an adapter and the standard Lightning EarPods, but they also have the expensive AirPods.

>>61873187
Not before you get to upgrade.

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>>61873192
Can't make it thinner without cutting down though.

It's simple for Apple though, they could make it thinner by adding more bezels and increasing the camera hump!

>>61873187
Apple Store probably has the only place maybe bowers Wilkins might, they work tight with Apple and make premium shit. Had a 3.5mm one that lasted about 4 years of regular abuse and the quality was the best you can ask for in the size it was

>>61873192
But that's the thing, phones are (supposedly) getting thinner AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHER THINGS such as the battery size and ports. Nobody wants that. If they do, they shouldn't own such a device to begin with.

>>61872994
You can't slap copy protection on an analog output port, while usb-c allows them to keep you from recording the signal until it comes out of a speaker.

>>61873187
Nope not really any reliable brands still, can't find anything

>>61872994
I want to bury my head in her chest and make the old fart sounds while she sqiirms

>>61873187
It's still too soon, also anything that'll already be out will be overpriced as fuck too thanks to the low demand.

>>61873079
>going outside
>/g/
you expect anyone to believe your ridiculous lies?

>>61873353
I pity anyone who is this delusional.

>>61873353
Stop projecting

I think the only defensible position is that USB audio sounds good but that's really a question of digital vs analog.

>>61873403
99% of people will be using an adapter for their existing 3.5mm units though.

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>>61873353

>>61873483
John goes outside big whoop
.

>>61873679
>>61873353

>>61873022
I float my Xperia in my cocktail at after-work meetings just to tilt autists like you.

>>61872994
Thickness. Which gets into "well, I don't think that's good!" territory, but is a quantifiable engineering decision. 3.5mm jacks take up at a minimum about 4x4x14, so no matter how huge your bezel is they make it impossible to get under around 6mm thick (jack + 1mm casing on either side).

What I'm really waiting for is a 4-pin linear connector like Sony's older waterproof charging ports, though. It would solve the problem while being backwards-compatible with a cheap and simple mechanical adapter.

>>61873853
>Thickness
Most people would prefer thicker phones though if it meant not sacrificing ports and battery life

>>61874102
Probably! It's consistent with even iPhone vs. flagship android sales.

It's not necessarily optimal to always chase "most", though, especially if it means being one of dozens chasing that 60 or 70 percent rather than being alone with the remaining 30 or 40. Most people prefer cola as a soft drink, but a hell of a lot more Mountain Dew gets sold than Royal Crown.

>>61873112
Who, in current year says that they want their phones to be thinner? I've never heard anybody say that since 2011. If anything, people like lighter phones (myself included), but not to the point where we're sacrificing things like a headphone jack and a decent amount of battery life.

>>61873271
This, its almost certainly really about deals with the record industry who are still idiotically obsessed with closing the analog hole when they should just go back to selling actual records.

>>61873022
Its nothing to do with waterproofing, it's so they don't have to include a DAC dedicated to the 3.5mm jack.

>>61873271
>>61874717
We finally found the winner.

>>61872994
Waterproofing and a way to push bluetooth headphone sales. Either from the phone manufacturer or partners. You may not agree but its a form of pushing innovation.

>>61872994
the fact that I can see so much of her midriff but cant see her belly button makes me slightly uncomfortable. All up, 9.5/10

>>61875701
A woman's waist is above their hips parallel with their belly buttons which is where her pants are at.

>>61873027
Has ZTE really done this?

I thought the Axon 7 was an Audiophiles dream phone

>>61875701
its too bad that finding a black woman thats actually this attractive is like trying to find santa claus. most of these are instagram models.

>>61873159
She's part Indian

>>61873067
>>61873152
Is this actually true? It has to be converted to analog at the end anyway. If by improving you mean manufacturers being kikes with the built in dac to offload audio to the headphone integrated dac I wouldnt consider this an advantage, although ineed it can provide better quality. It'd be like what happened with Compact Flash, more complex and expensive designs because fuckers couldn't be bothered to do things right from the get-go.

>>61873204
More so they can insert non-recording/patent/copyright protection hardware into the audio line of all smart phones. Need to totally block/remove the scourge of people with mp3's legal or otherwise. Also new hardware/peripherals must sell, only can make so much off cases and stands. Headphones generally wear out much faster because of direct contact/movement/flexing and human usage compared to a phone.

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>>61873271
Do I smell a conspiracy?

>>61873112
>People want thinner phones, so this was inevitable.

Yes, that's why the iPhone 6 was 6.9mm while the 7 is 7.1mm oh wait...

>>61877611
Axon 7 was, but their sub-brand Nubia has dropped it so it's most likely that the axon 8 will not have one too.

>>61875701
I think you can kinda see her belly button if you check the top of the pants

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Sony will be the last to remove the jack if they ever do. Feels good man.

>>61878904
I get the feeling Samsung too, they haven't been trying to copy Apple lately...

>>61872994
headphone jacks are honeypot-botnet scams. apple realised that they were produced by china chine can never be trusted. that's why they stoped putting them on their devices.

>>61873187
>are there any reputable headphone manufacturers that make good USB C or Lightning headphones?
no, and there's no plans for them to
reputable manufacturers don't build around trends to be obsoleted every 5 years

>>61879112
This. We need another 4 years of dongles at least before we start seeing decent and decently priced units being sold.

>>61878374
>people
>apple consumers

pick one.

>>61872994
Dongles are such cancer, I've got so much buyer's remorse for my U11.

>>61873271
What do you mean?

>>61873067
>charge your phone
>charge your laptop
>charge your car
>charge your watch
>charge you headphones

im running out of outlets here what will need to be charged for no reason next my chair? or maybe my shoes? whwn will this insanity end?

>>61872994
There is no. It is pure anti-consumerism and I would recommend to never buy a phone that has no 3.5mm jack. Fuck these apple copying kikes and fuck apple.

>>61880526
>He doesn't charge his house
Why are you against the hyperloop?

>>61873022
It's not waterproofing. Galaxy S5 is considered to be waterproof and it has 3.5mm

>>61872994
Daily reminder that the headphone jack is why phones were so thick.


Really though it is cheaper not to put one in for the manufacturer

>>61872994
They are regressing, phones back in the day (even music phones like the Sony Walkman 810 or something) didn't have a 3.5mm jack. We are literally going backwards in technology.

The real question is when are we going to get HUD phones? Fuck holding a black rectangle to shitpost.

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>>61880903

the xD seeew thiiin meme really has to die

Hand-feel improves with thinness just like salt improves a soup. There is a point where it's too much or too little. Sacrificing jack plugs to make the phone thinner is fucking retarded.

>>61872994
I want to fuck that niggeress so bad

>>61873022
Think about it, if we waterproof electronics, then we can throw people in pools again!

>>61881354
>being in the vicinity with a pool and people
the absolute state of neo/g/

>>61880864
This. Even Xperia phones are waterproof.

>>61872994
No good reason whatsoever

>>61873853
>I float my Xperia in my cocktail at after-work meetings just to tilt autists like you.
Gross, do you know how much bacteria is on a phone?

>>61872994
it's the reason phones today ar STILL so thick

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>>61877611
Looks like shit to me.

>>61882054
>Thick
You mean comfortable to hold?

>>61880864
>>61881705
Waterproof rating may be the same on Day 1 but over time the more complex entry points you have on the case the faster the super duper waterproof case is going to turn into a kinda sorta water resistant-ish case

I've been bike commuting in all weather for a few years, I've seen electronics fail due to poor design even though they are supposedly water resistant. One light may be rated equal to another on paper but you get a sense of which ones are going to fail sooner than others after a while.

In an ideal world of course I want a 3.5mm jack. If it means I get better waterproofing for the life of the product I'll give that up without hesitation though. It's not like you can't have sound without a 3.5mm jack.

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>>61882105
for that real nigger bass

>>61881976
That's an alcoholic beverage. The bacteria die.

>>61882403
Only if you're drinking straight liquor or a martini.

>>61882105
How is that shit? What does "good" look like? Should the curve be completely flat or what?

>>61882711
You can see that have more pronounce bass and a peak on high freq. With some shit in the middle. Ideally the line should be flat.

>>61872994
Copying the biggest player.

>>61880623
Because it makes even less sense than the Concord.

>>61883641
You mean Samsung?

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>>61872994
>What's a good reason for brands removing the 3.5mm port from mobile phones?
space in the phone for more important stuff.

>>61873143
Huff post there's your problem

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>>61885904

it is so they can push drm cancer all the way into the headphone. Next thing will be a blood oxygen sensor checking that there is a living ear beside the speaker before it cuts on.

<patent pending>

This is why I bought a OPO

because it's fucking deprecated. I don't see you guys crying about how your phone doesn't have VGA out

>>61885567
black people age really well actually. It's white people that age like cheese desu senpai

>>61888069
It's obviously a white person who posted that

>>61887993
That's because smartphones never had a chance port.

3.5mm is something that's been standard for years and is universally accepted as the standard plug for earphones and headphones

>>61887993
Tim Cook pls.

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>>61887993
>using wireless anything

Enjoy being MitM'd with a zero-day for bluetooth when you're in a dirty phone call with your wife's nigerian master

>>61887993
It isn't.

I actually think Apple was justified in the removal of the jack, teardowns have shown how much space is taken up by the taptic engine and of course they have an entire line up of BT headphones to make money off of so it was a good business decision. These reasons however are almost completely unusable in defense of Android makers removing it, hell the HTC U Ultra was shown on teardown to have plenty of empty space that they could have put a headphone jack in. These Android companies see the huge profit margins Apple makes on the iPhone and they think that copying them will magically do the same for them, not realizing that they'll never have the brand value and mind share that Apple does. People the world over view Apple shit as status symbols, Android is viewed as poor people's only hope for owning a smartphone.

>>61882228
In an ideal world people wouldn't be exposing their expensive electronics to a deluge of water everyday. Water resistance is just that, resistance, it does not nor has it ever implied flawless water proofing especially as the device ages like you said. Water resistance is nice for those times when accidents happen but shouldn't be relied upon for more than that. If I had to commute in pouring rain everyday I'd just put my phone in a watertight bag, just like I do when I take my Kayak out.

So what happens when a shitload of people in a crowded place are all using wireless headphones, won't there be issues with interference?

>>61889390
My Bluetooth headphones suffer interference from low hanging lanterns that are strung up between the tail m train station and my workplace.

Pisses me off so much, I bought this shit to replace my wired headphones and I wish I'd spent a similar amount on a better sounding wired headset.

>>61888719
you can plug in your headphones with usb-C

>>61889424
>>>61889390
>My Bluetooth headphones suffer interference from low hanging lanterns that are strung up between the tail m train station
>Between the train station
Fucking hell.

>>61889439
Except for when you want to charge it, or transfer files, or if your dongle breaks.

Iphones minijacks are really fragile, I had several stop working properly.

Plus they accumulate dust

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>>61873112
The real question is this: When the fuck are manufacturers going to add multiple USB ports? Why is this not a thing?

>>61889742
This too and it's not just lighting connectors. USB connectors just don't have the durability to cope with the abuse that headphone jacks can meaning even more planned obsolescence. A headphone jack is ideal since the connector can rotate and is lower profile than a USB connector.

>>61889929
Because they're not removing ports for you, they're cutting costs for themselves to give you a cheaper device that they're going to charge more for.

>>61872994
The only good port is a dead port

>>61873027
other brands will fail with this, they only try because
>muh, apple innovation

>>61891010
No, now that Google has done it with the pixel 2, most Android brands with follow.