>get UPS >never give a shit about a rolling blackout ever

>>61720406
>Buy UPS for all my shit
>Move to place that doesn't have shit power grid
>Suddenly they're all big heavy paperweights

I still use them but seems like a waste.

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>tfw live in florida but haven't bought a ups yet
thunderstorms every fuckin day

This is now a shitty infrastructure uptime thread

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>>61720425
Your power company probably already has surge protection built into your building or home, but it's a good idea to get one anyways.

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>tfw cant afford ups
>tfw every time there is a storm power cuts off

>>61720406
What 3rd world country do you live in?

>>61721138
If it happens every storm then you don't need a UPS. You need to learn to turn your computer off when or before the storm start.

>Computer is off when I get home

Welp, looks like it's time to spend 40 hours running chkdsk on my external again.

>>61721408
It also cuts off at some random times on a nice day.

>live in a civilized world
>never give a shit about blackouts, because they don't happen

>>61720406
>get UPS
>fucker uses 30watts of power even when fully charged with no load.
Fuck you HP.

>>61722260
>live in a civilized world
>but the state government cared more about green image than energy security
>statewide blackout in 2015 is actually now a global case study in how not fuck up like South Australia
But at least we're going to have the 'worlds biggest battery' and suck Elon's dick for possible spacex launches at Woomera

>>61720406
>rolling blackout
where do you live where this actually happens?
i might get a black out 30minutes every 5 years

>>61722309
Not OP, but South Australia.
It's been a summer 'feature' for a good 15 years now.
Nothing like a 1hr blackout on a 45ºc (in the shade) summer day - I'd recommend it to everyone.

Not gonna lie, my UPS has saved my butt a few dozen times.

>>61720406
>2017
>blackout
Leave you shithole man.

>>61722246
Do you live in Vuvuzela or something?

>>61722309
They're pretty common in any tropical area where there's exposed power lines; so all of the American South and Gulf Coast, Australia, etc.

Just get a nice inverter with sign wave and use car batteries its cheaper and you won't have 5 minutes of battery life.

>>61722521
>sign wave
godamnit

>>61722309
wisconsin here, we had our towns transformer fuck up hard recently and it needs replacement, but small town and when it works it work long enough that people don't get pissed.

before this summer, we never had an extended blackout, just short 1 second shit during thunderstorms, and minor brownouts when the heat gets really bad.

ups is more for piece of mind and mission critical use then a necessity. got a small 400 watt one for my 3d printer as a 1 second blackout fucks a 30 hour print.

>>61722260
>natural disasters never happen
>idiots never hit utility poles

OK anon.

>>61722358
>blackout
>45°C
I feel you man, I live in curry land and there are 5-6 hour blackouts every few days because "muh farmers need them waters".
It wouldn't bother much if it was night, but a power cut in 45°C, in the middle of the day is ridiculous

>>61722649
>utility poles
sounds pretty third world anon, why isn't it underground?

>>61722649
Don't forget:
>Animals never touch two wires at once
>Branches never fall on the poles

>>61722715
Finland.

>>61722649
>living in a place prone to natural disasters

>>61722723
is that some sort of excuse reindeer?

>>61720406
Haha get a better power grid fgt

>>61722747
>Living in a place prone to Africans

>>61722748
Some rural areas still have them on poles. I personally haven't experienced an unscheduled blackout in the past decade+ that I have lived in the civilized part of the country t. another Finn

>>61722446
>Do you live in Vuvuzela or something?
I keked, but no, Serbia. Im not sure if they are just fixing their lines whole god damn time or something, but its annoying and unprofessional.

>>61720406
I bought one a year or so ago for about 100$ off newegg, zero regrets. Saved my ass multiple times in not-even-rural texas.

It's probably the best insurance I've ever bot.
Plus I'm able to move shit without worrying about turning off my pc.

>get ups for 120$
>year later
>upgrade pc
>due to battery degradation and a higher wattage used by my computer it no longer sustains my pc in the event of a black out
It was nice when it worked though.

>>61721138
>cant afford ups
They're like $50 how fucking poor can you be

>>61720406
Not to mention if you get a line interactive UPS, you will not have any hardware degredation from brownouts or surges, couple that with an SSD and cleaning dust you can have a very long lasting machine,
what I don't know is how long a UPS will last, because the good ones seem to have a very high price tag.

>>61721085
how do i format like that

>>61722711
PAJEET LEAVE

>>61724115
I am not shilling Java or any Microsoft or Intel products, am I? Can't I stay?

>>61723460
>>ever bot
Fuck off you stupid dictating-your-posts motherfucker.

>>61724096
READ THE FUCKING STICKY NEWFAG AND GTFO

>>61725231
kys

>>61721138
GUITTTTTIIIOIINNNEEEE

why do storms cause blackouts anyways?

>light rain, barely a piddle starts
>BOOM
AHHHHHH FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK EVERY FUCKING TIME WHAT THE FUCK FUCK FPL

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>>61720423
aye, similar here - mains used to be really bad but was eventually overhauled an much more stable now.

Still it's nice to know everything will shut down gracefully if anything happens.

>buy UPS with auto-shutdown feature
>saves my ass a lot
>come back home once
>computer off, but UPS moved from it's place
>turns out my sister turned it off immediately before it had a chance to shutdown when it blacked out because "the beeping was annoying!!!"
>mfw

>that feel when you manage UPS for a 350 person crew guided missile cruiser

S-sure the UPS are sat Chief

>>61720406
> FBI shows up to forfeit your hardware
> don't even need to bother with a special hardware to keep it running and unencrypted

>>61722260
>implying the "civilized world" isn't overrun with unions intentionally making the infrastructure worse to not "kill the job"
I live in MA and I lose power all the time.

>talk about ups
>post image of shitty "surge" "protector" strip

the current state of /g/

>>61727020
ehheh a1 troll dude !

>>61724096
format c:

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I got a free ex-server UPS (IBM 1500T), it was getting tossed because it wouldn't turn on at all. Turned out the batteries were cactus (needs a tiny amount of charge to activate internal circuitry, powers up from battery, checks line conditions are ok then it powers up the outputs). One new pair of batteries and I have no regrets. It even has a power conditioner, so it smooths out voltage variations from the incoming AC. Only real pain in the ass is that all the outputs are IEC 60320 C13 connectors. Had to by adapters which were $8/ea (probably paid too much but I was in a hurry).

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>>61721085
Sure thing brah

I honestly can't remember the last time there was a power outage here.

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>>61720406

TFW: 29 minutes of outage per year.
also: this map specifically excludes natural disasters like hurricanes/earthquakes. Of which we have 0 every century in the Netherlands.
Feels good man.

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>>61727225
>Netherlands
Does electricity work under water?

>>61722819
Saskatchewan Canada, no nigger, no tornadoes, no earthquakes, no volcanoes, and no tsunamies.

>>61720425
i've lived in florida all my life and couldn't imagine not having battery backup

it's not like I lose power every day but there are months full of thunderstorms where power is lost for ~1 minute at times and not having a battery would be absolute suffering

>>61727225
France stronk

>>61722711
It's amazing you have electricity at all

>>61722641
how do you know when someone owns a 3d printer?
>Don't worry, they'll tell you

>>61720406
>worry about battery leaking toxic fumes instead
Enjoy getting cancer

>>61726127
can the flashlight battery in that dinky ups even power all that rack shit?

>>61728309
yeah, for around 10 minutes - more than enough for a short outage or graceful shutdown

>>61727225
I've lived in the UK and US and I've had more power outages in my 5 years of living in the US than I have of my 15 years living in the UK

How can you vent a indoor UPS?
Aren't they all lead-acid?

Also has anyone replaced a older UPS battery before?
Is there a possibility to flash firmware or utilize the kernel with serial for non standard size batteries?

>>61728385
>How can you vent a indoor UPS?
>Aren't they all lead-acid?
They usually use SLA (sealed lead-acid) batteries that don't outgass. I've heard of AGM/gel-cell being used but eh.

>non standard size batteries
You'll """"probably"""" be fine just hooking up anything that matches the original voltage. Any time-estimates of remaining capacity might be wrong (since any calculations would depend on a known size battery), but percentage remaining estimates would probably be accurate since it's most likely calculated off of a voltage reading.

>>61720406
I work in networking for a midsize company and we're currently replacing all of our UPS units with MPS ones

>>61728470
Thanks for the info!
I wasn't expecting a sensible response.

i would love a huge ups for the whole house with enough power to last 2 days. when the power shuts down everyone in the neighborhood has no power but me, and i turn on all my lights and open whe windows to shine on everyones unlit ass

>transmuting arcanite for some fag back in 2005
>he gives me the arcane crystal and thorium bar
>holding my breath for those crucial five seconds while i do the transmutation, fearing a blackout and then getting banned for scamming
>give him the arcanite bar and get my tip
>sigh of relief

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>office job
>every office computer is connected to UPS
>power goes out
>we all use our work because the server isnt on a UPS
>why
>"we didnt anticipate the power going out to the server"
>but its connected to the same power source....

I work in networking for a midsize company and we're currently replacing all of our UPS units with MPS ones

>>61729069
whoever sold those ups probably pissed himself laughing

I'm moving to Tennessee soon, do I need a UPS?

>>61728271
you want to know what a ups is useful for, give you a good example.

Hate to say it but with most shit saving as you go, there is no reason to ups a normal computer aside from you never want to shut down.

>>61722747
there is no place that isn't prone to natural disasters where a human would want to live, and the few places that don't have natural disasters are the shittiest places on earth.

you basicly just have to pick your poison.

>>61723969
how the fuck does a 120 ups not sustain your computer? are you doing something retarded?

>>61723983
100~$ bare minimum for one that can handle a computer + monitor, in a worst case 100% load scenario.

>>61724077
looked into it recently, 2-5 years, and the batteries cost 20$ so you replace that you get another 2-5 years.

>>61729891
he got the new intel cpu line

>>61729947
even with a new line intel oc + vega a 120$ ups should handle a full load

>>61729971
you underestimate its power anon

>>61728931
for what that would cost, you could probably afford a generator
then, you could power your house indefinitely

>>61720406
yeah back in the late 90ies at my first coding job, we had shitty electricity at the building I worked.
Funny shit is when visual studio 6 crashes when you compile, it completely rekts your source file lol.

So we used CVS back then and I was ofc a rookie, had almost finnished the project I was working on and hadn't checked in the source for almost 2 weeks..... then it fucking happened.

My source file was now a binary mess! So after this I've always had an UPS

>>61730002
costs around 6000-8000$

>>61730002
true, but if you live somewhere where a noise complaint can impose a fine, the generator likely isn't an option.

>>61729982
400-500 watts on the cpu, 300 on the gpu, another 75 for motherboard shit, that should easily be handled by a 120$ ups unless you got ripped the fuck off hard.

>>61730099
>noise complaint
>during power outage

>>61730183
during a drought, get arrested for not watering your lawn/keeping it green.

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>>61727225
> 29 minutes
So how many people resigned?

>>61722819
>>61729862
Alberta Canada, no earthquakes, no tornadoes, no volcanoes, no tsunamies. A few years ago haft the city of Calgary flooded but my electricity and internet was fine. Comfy place to live if you can deal with snow.

>>61729891
>>61730148
./shrug maybe I got a bad model. Thing doesn't even support a 30 watt (probably) monitor anymore actually, I just tested it.

>>61730285
if the thing isnt supporting a monitor, and its a monitor on its own nothing else plugged in right, then that is likely battery failure.

check some shops near you if they will either sell you a battery that can fit it or will replace the battery for you.

out of curiosity what is the model you got?

>>61726657
Wut?

>>61720425
Do it anon, a few days ago lightning fucked up a bunch of my shit at home.
I was lucky that my computer wasn't damaged.

My living room smart TV lost all its HDMI ports, family room TV lost one port, the AC for my outdoor patio blew a relay, and a fuse. My uncles TV was killed as well.
My neighbors lost a camera system, and game console.

>>61730148
you dont like getting ripped off hard??

what are you gay or some shit?

>>61729913
Mine was $45 at Microcenter and runs my computer for an hour

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>Never have to worry about wiping my CP collection when the feds cut the power just before a raid

>>61730835
>not just putting an axe through your HDDs

>>61727065
> implying I use winblows

fuck off pajeet

real /g/entoomen sudo rm -rf /

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>switch to only using a laptop
>just have a regular powerbar with surge protection
>never have to worry about a rolling blackout ever again

>only use SSDs
>never need to worry about harddrive failure ever again

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>rainy season means massive thunderstorms all the time
>never used a UPS, never gave a fuck.
Why bother with UPS at home? We are not in 90's anymore, modern hardware is pretty good at handling power loss thankfully.

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Just gonna one-up everyone in this thread.

>>61733780
I envy you. Building a house in the suburbs, and having solar panels on the roof, batteries and a home server in the basement is my dream, hopefully I'll be able to fulfill it in the next 10 years.

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>>61722521
>I dont know what a automatic transfer switch is

>>61724077
>Not to mention if you get a line interactive UPS, you will not have any hardware degredation from brownouts or surges
You will, you need a double conversion UPS. Line interactive only switch transformer taps on significant voltage fluctuations. Pic related, my SmartUPS 3000X when it isnt on battery

>>61729891
A $120 UPS is low end as fuck

>>61733780
>I dont care about home owners insurance
You've been posting those pics for years, isnt it time to replace the batteries.

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>amerifats
i laugh everytime i think of your stupid fucking country lol

>buy UPS
>battery craps out
not gonna buy one again..

>>61734284
Set it up properly to do self tests and send emails when something is wrong.

>>61720406
>rolling blackout
What third world country do you live in?

>>61730740
Model number?

>>61734216
Insurance doesn't care because it's not connected to the utility. :^)

And no. That's why I chose to ridiculously oversize the bank.

>>61734489
Insurance will care if you have a fire and a UPS nigger rigged to charge far more batteries than it was designed to do

Also are those 2007 and 08 markings on the batteries purchase/in service dates? You're really bragging about using 10 year old batteries you took out the trash?

>>61720406
powers out now, rip.

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>>61734547
Everything I own is out of the trash. Price-performance can't be beat. 700 Ah is enough for anybody.

>>61722527
its ac honey.

>>61734216
oh no shit 120$ is low end, but nearly everyone here is a consumer talking about consumer ones, not rack mounted server upses that are hooked to mission critical shit, not a single person here would say those don't have a place when a single un planned power down could cost a company several million dollars.

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>>61734489

>>61720406
>Batteries are king.

Till they wear out in 5 years and you have to buy $75.65 replacements.

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>>61733780
Sure, I'll play.

>>61736248
Damn that's nice.

How often do you get blackout?
Here in deep france, few hours per year, in 1 or 2 times.

>>61734329
Texas
It only happens in the summer when 9999999999999 people are using air conditioning and/or a big storm blows through.

>>61734421
P900-G3TAJ0B

I have a 450 watt desktop home server.
I heard a UPS can "save" money by caching power and spreading out your power usage by optimizing power draw or something.
Is this true?

>>61737675
Can't find it on Google? Link?

>>61726837
Uh, we weren't talking about America, sweetie.

>>61737711
UPS itself will use more power keeping the battery charged than whatever "optimizing power draw" bullshit will save

>>61737731
bad bait

>>61725892
You had one fucking job you absolute retard

>>61720423

There still stuff that does happen even with good power

>Meth heads cut the power lines to steal dat copper
>Drunks crash into the power lines
>Flickering power during a thunderstorm
>Utility is working on the power lines and momentarily turns them off
>The religion of peace

>>61737730
read it again :^)

>>61734421
It's a CyberPower SX550G

Just walked in to MicroCenter and grabbed the cheapest UPS they had since I only needed it for momentary blackouts, turns out it keeps my computer powered for an hour

Having a UPS to shutdown my server properly and help protect my networking gear from spikes/surges/etc has been one of the best investments I've made. Extra piece of mind combined with Raid + Offline Backups knowing that my data is safe. My power is pretty stable but shit happens and I'd rather have the UPS than one day have my server's data get corrupted from sudden power failure.

>>61721085
oh boy, look at this!

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To: root
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>>61720406
>plug UPS into itself
>unlimited power

>>61721138
>>tfw cant afford ups

What? Pure sine wave UPS aren't that expensive.

>850VA (510W) $129.95
>1000VA (600W) $149.95
>1350VA (810W) $179.95
>1500VA (900W) $214.95
>1500VA (1050W) $299.95
>2000VA (1320 W) $499.95
>2200VA (1980W) $699.99

Unless you're mining with a dozen graphics cards, you should be able to source a UPS for less than $200.

>>61722649
Not everyone lives in 1950s Hongkouver, anon. utility poles don't exist in many pieces, that shit is all underground

>>61738362
>turns out it keeps my computer powered for an hour
>330 Watts

Is your computer a laptop?

>>61721085
you are like a little baby watch this

                   -`                    sdbx@arch-sdbx 
                  .o+`                   -------------- 
                 `ooo/                   OS: Arch Linux x86_64 
                `+oooo:                  Model: EL1331G P01-A0 
               `+oooooo:                 Kernel: 4.11.3-1-ARCH 
               -+oooooo+:                Uptime: 51 days, 3 hours, 51 mins 
             `/:-:++oooo+:               Packages: 542 
            `/++++/+++++++:              Shell: bash 4.4.12 
           `/++++++++++++++:             Terminal: /dev/pts/0 
          `/+++ooooooooooooo/`           CPU: AMD Athlon 2850e (1) @ 1.800GHz 
         ./ooosssso++osssssso+`          GPU: NVIDIA GeForce 6150SE nForce 430 
        .oossssso-````/ossssss+`         Memory: 289MiB / 1751MiB 
       -osssssso.      :ssssssso. 
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     /ossssssss/        +ssssooo/- 
   `/ossssso+/:-        -:/+osssso+- 
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 `++:.                           `-/+/ 
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>>61739770
all that uptime = unpatched, insecure system

>>61739784
doesn't face wan

>>61739784
>all that uptime = unpatched, insecure system
We aren't all winblows users who have to restart their system in order to use updates.

>>61739740
No, but it's also not l33t gaymer space heater

>>61739784
>kernel updated less than two months ago
Linux has reasonably important kernel security issues once every few years. It's not Windows

>>61739784
lol

Haven't had a power outage since 2006.

>>61735391
the cheapest online (double converstion) UPS I found around me is $300

>>61739784
there are *nix boxes that have an uptime of a years and years, one which was rumored to be running for 10 years.

>>61739784
lrn2 ksplice my dude.
This is a source of stress at work though. We have a few boxes that have been up for over a decade. We have a patch procedure but we do not have a start-up procedure, so if anything dumb happens it's gonna be an adventure to get it running again.

>>61726127
Zun systems!

>>61722358

>tfw never met an Australian that actually enjoys the summer heat

I've been planning on getting one of these but i don't know what i should look for and what i should avoid, any tips?

>>61740167
>lrn2 ksplice
If you actually knew how to ksplice you'd know that it needs very particular kernels to work with, isn't available for Arch's kernel, and isn't available for 4.11 at all yet

>>61725892
Mama mia! A guitionie!

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>>61727285
Yes, ask the COBRAcable people
Our entire grid is a redundant 380kV/220kV ring with smaller 150kV/110kV.
There's almost one 10/0.4kV transformer per street
The transformers are always fed from at least two HV substations
At least four power lines, four HV/MV transformers and two MV lines would have to fail before an area loses power, which almost never happens

No one is prepared to lose power, so when it happens everything goes wrong.
This article is worth reading, if GTranslate works
https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2017/07/07/kortsluiting-hoe-een-verroest-draadje-de-halve-randstad-plat-legt-11727393-a1565893

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>>61720406
50 bux says OP bought the gaming UPS.

>>61720423
>trusting the utilijew 100%
good goy

>>61720406
>had literally one blackout in the last 3 years because i don't live in a third world shithole
>have proper backups on external HDDs and surge protection on my mobo

Why would i need this thing ?
I can survive an hour without my PC every three years.
>le normie meme
Cmon guys, don't be such americans.

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>>61741912
>Writing your PhD thesis
>Finish
>Saving...
>Power goes out
>Restart
>File is corrupted, autoback ups too

You've just wasted 5 years of your life for nuffin

>only have laptops
>no worrying about power outages

>>61742679
The battery will be dead in 3 years.

>>61740320
because nobody does

>>61722298
>>but the state government cared more about green image than energy security

shit policy not renewables are the cause of SA's problem. But we'll get right on that in a decade's time with the snowy hydro expansion.

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>>61739770
>51 days
how cute

>>61742653
>Not using physical media backup

>Not using an off-site solution

All of my what

>>61720406
>live in a first world country
>never have to worry about a rolling blackout in the first place
Sure is nice to have decent infrastructure.

>>61742746

It takes a lot to make a battery totally dead and it certainly doesn't happen in 3 years.

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>>61742806
>392 days
that's adorable

>>61742976
nice.
i would have had round 700 days uptime but a 6 hour blackout kind of spoiled that

>>61720406
I had blackout 2 times in 10 years, I think I can live with 2 minutes of no electricity every 5 years or so.

Why don't American's bury their power lines underground?

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>>61743106
yeah - but if it catches a drive during the middle of a write it can cause big problems. Maybe not so much these days with modern drives but I've certainly lost a few in the past to that.

>>61740182
but of course!

>>61743131
You think they can afford that?

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>>61720406

>buy UPS
>put UPS under desk, all good
>accidentally kick the cable between UPS and PC a bunch of times within a month

>>61720406
>blackout
>UPS keeps all my equipment live
>internet substations all get blacked out anyway so it doesn't matter
do you even amerijew?

>>61743131
They're too busy not wanting to pay taxes to give the government money for infrastructure improvements.

>>61743340
we pay a fuck ton of taxes, actually. our bloated bureaucracies and overgrown military don't come cheap

>>61743410
You don't pay shit for taxes.

>>61743419
the average middle-class American pays 50% or more of income when you consider federal, state, county, and city taxes and fees

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I really don't get and blackouts and i don't really care when they happen that much, but i'm always kinda scared when i have to update my PS4 console OS.
Is it worth getting a UPS so i don't brick my PS4 console on a blackout during an OS update? I'd only plug it in during the OS updates.

>>61743315
I think you misunderstood the purpose of UPS.