Not impressed. Why buy a card with double power draw for similar

>>61654238
pretty hilarous considering the 1070 and 1080 are literally cheaper so amd doesnt have that going for it.

>>61654238
Why is everyone ignoring FP16 which no consumer Nvidia card has. It is twice the performance of FP32 and is a yuge block of die space. This and other features are likely where the power draw is tied up.

>>61654238
>they don't have TBDR enabled even for RX Vega launch
Hahahahahaha
Whaddyafuck.

>>61654279
Who gives a shit?

I saw the 1080 for $450 today and it's a far better card and has CUDA for pro applications that support it like Adobe stuff.

The only thing I would say is impressive on Vega is HBM2 memory to the masses, which is good because maybe Volta will have HBM2 as well.

>>61654238
>Vega 64 Liquid - $499

Buy the air edition and add your own water block.

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>>61654313
Dat sandbagging.
I kind of like it desu.

I think the Vega 56 is pretty neat for the price as a guy who needs a mid tier rendering setup for a workstation.
The new WX series cards werent that impressive, but the low end Vega is really promising from a sheer price to performance ratio and the features it has.

They went the same way as with Hawaii few years ago, brute force performance with astounding power consumption.
At least Hawaii did well against competition, this one does poorly.

I guess you can't top score at everything, at least Ryzen is alright. That's a start.

>>61654313
>inb4 they left it turned off because the tdp would be even higher
Fermi 2.0 Red team edition

>>61654318
You're a retard. Water setups are very expensive.

AIO's are cheaper.

$499 for a fucking GPU slower than the 2 year old 1080 running hotter is fucking ridiculous.

>>61654334
>TBDR increases powerdraw
Hahahahahaha.
Stop it.
But anyway this is fucking retarded.

>>61654238

The prices are high because the miners will still buy it. Once demand slumps, there will be a price cut.

>>61654315
LOL, do you understand what double the performance is? A 1080 wouldn't beat this card in Computational tasks that only need half precision because a 1080 doesn't have a half precision pipeline and its full precision FP32 could come nowhere near to the double performance the radeon cards could perform.

In such a way, fuck CUDA. Were talking double the performance and there's already tons of applications that convert CUDA code directly to openCL that can run on radeon cards.

>>61654356
Could you name at least a couple?

>>61654356
Are you retarded?

It's only 31% faster than Fury X which was released almost 3 years ago.

Volta won't have any competition in 2018.

Bye bye gAyMD

tile based rasterization and power management is still not enabled properly in drivers.

http://www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/3004-rx-vega-64-and-vega-56-power-specs-price

well

>>61654355
So the dreaded motto from AyyyMD?

Wait™

LMFAO kys

I'm enjoying my 1080Ti which came out months ago.

AyyMD is finished.

>>61654401
Oi what the fuck are they even doing?
Chocking on dicks?

>>61654424
well this pretty much explain what we all know till now..
vega is a bad motherfucker on drivers

>>61654454
That also explains RR delays but whatever.
This is getting silly, Maxwell2 delays level silly.
>w-we have to launch it
>b-but the features are not working
>l-launch it anyway

>>61654401
...now you get to Wait™ for proper drivers.
Typical of AMD, at least they will optimize it more with time.

>>61654279
>why is everyone ignoring meme buzzwords that don't affect the gaming performance of a gaming card
gee I wonder why, retard

>>61654482
So what's happening is that they need to work on the software to actually use yhe hardware it's equipped with?

>>61654376
I'm looking down the road..
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=CUDA-On-CL-Coriander

For now, there are packages that somewhat work. Not on par with CUDA, but it will get there.
I'm making considerations from an eval perspective. I already have hooks in the CUDA ecosystem.

>>61654400
FP16. Learn to read. Take FP32 performance and multiply it by 2.
Volta wont match that unless it has FP16. I'm not talking about vidya performance brainlet.
I use a shitty vidya for that because I dont want my room to be a clam bake.

GPUs are becoming more than just gaming cards and are being bought for more than just gaming pipeline performance which is why vega was unveiled at siggraph and not a vidya gaming centric venue.

>>61654555
Yes, that's the case with thing like TBR or the way they do culling.

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>>61654238
>power draw is a valid factor

>Bought 1080Ti before etherium boom
>Expect to be pissed once RX Vega launched for real
>Poojeet dropped the ball

Fuck, even if I don't own Vega, I still feel so disappointed with this condition.

>>61654238
>AMD truly delivered with Ryzen. Not with this.
On point.

AMD screwed the pooch with this, clearly based on the slides, this was supposed to be a clean sweep but as per the VegaFE reviews where it seemed like all those new features were just completely absent - they're probably absent here too.

Either the drivers are fucked (possible since AMD, but not considering the current marketing) or something went wrong in the hardware and those features are broken at a hardware level which can't be fixed without taping out again.

Either way, the performance simply isn't there, these cards use 30-50% more power then equivalent nVidia GPUs whist performing and costing the same - moreover nvidia's GPUs are 12 months old now...

This is just embarrassing for AMD.

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WHERE IS TBR IN MAH GAYMS YOU NIGGERS.
Also 45MB of SRAM on-die?
Dats HUEG.

>>61655327
>bbut it's got these expensive features so surely it's worth the money.
Not if it can't perform for price.

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WHERE IS MUH CULLING IN GAYMS?

>>61654238
that's because zen was made by white man

>all these posts in broken English

So this is the gaming graphics card audience... woah...

Powerdraw != TDP

>>61654334
Yeah, because ignoring calculations somehow doubles powerdraw.

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>>61655279
>ftw bought 1070 at launch and resold it 2 week ago for a profit
>bought a 1080ti anyway despite vega launching
>amd fan but knew it was going to be dogshit

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>>61654424
>>61654454
>>61654482
>>61654555
>>61654580

>>61655341
Are u retard?

>>61655439
What about culling?
B3D suite benches showed Vega being slower than Polaris in geometry.

If i was going to of any of them, it's probably the 56.

WHAT ABOUT FUCKING CULLING?
DID RTG SAY ANYTHING ABOUT CULLING IN GAYMS?

>>61655134
t. mommy pays for electricity

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>hash / cryptocurrency instruction

Vega will jump to 2000 USD.

>>61655585
Which would probably kill Radeon in the long run.

Miners eventually always move to ASIC. Do you want a generation that knows nothing but nvidia? Because that's how you get it. Then the ethereum hype dies and you're left with nothing.

>>61655658
>Miners eventually always move to ASIC.
No, most modern currencies are ASIC-proof.

>>61655658
eth is asic resistant, and hbm dosen't play well with it either

>>61655665
Currencies are proof against chips custom made to perform well against that currency?

>>61655658
>Do you want a generation that knows nothing but nvidia?
14 y.o.'s with 970 being their first card already know nothing but nVidia.

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Radeon Packs:
>Pay $100 more
>$100 off a R7 and X370 meme board that is no better than a B350 but costs $100 more.
>$200 off a $950 Monitor that is available for $750 on amazon
>2 $50 games.
>Value

>1080
>2 years old
Are you people retarded?
It has been barely a year since 1080 was released.
True, AMD still has nothing on it, but hyperbole just make you guys look like retarded manchilds.

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>>61654238
Can someone sum it up/link me somewhere that sums up what the situation is? Reading through the thread but I'm not sure who is serious and who is memeing. How much of an improvement would the Vega 64 air be over the rx480 and how does it compare against the 1070/80?

One pack may be a good thing for people looking at a CF setup anyways to grab the x370 board.

Let's see if you can get a CF setup without having to buy two packs, because I'd wager all the singles will be gone in seconds.

When will nvidia volta be released?

>>61655658
Eth requires at least 2gb of vram for caching. ASICs with high ammounts of cache would be expensive af.

>>61655739
Why wait for volta?
Whats wrong with the 1070 and 1080ti?

>>61655753
You can get bigger die for cheaper in Volta.

>>61655688
B350 cant crossfire.

>>61655739
Q1 2018

>>61655768
Yeah that's what I want, 600W worth of GPUs.

>>61655789
only 5 years ago this was norm

>>61655799
And thank god it stopped being the norm. No reason to go back to that shitshow.

>>61654238
It has better tech and more potential than 1080/1070. 56 seems pretty good price/perf wise at 210W.

>>61655768
B350 can Crossfire. What B350 can't do is SLI.

>>61655803
You are overestimating the power that will be consumed by the cards tbqh.
Most games won't have both cards @ 100%
Tho, You shouldn't even go CF or SLi because they are utter garbage.

>>61655688
Supposedly the idea is to have a deal thats bad for miners.

RX Vega 64 has identical memory bandwidth and slightly more FP32 than a 1080ti. I was honestly worried it wouldn't even get past the 1080 so this is a pretty nice surprise. Will need to see the reviews obviously but there's still a chance I won't have to go nvidia on my next build

>>61655839
If the card is profitable for mining, it's profitable at $100 more as well, so that's meaningless.

>>61655814
Yeah, go crossfire with a 4x pcie 2.0. why be flawless

>>61655134
It is, when your high tdp card turns your room into a sauna.

>>61655695
they're braindead kids shitposting and shillposters idiot

>>61655720
a lot faster

Not even similar performance. Nvidia pays for devs to use game works features. Anti competitive or not you are literally a fanboy if you buy AMD. They lose at every single price point.

>>61655566
No, t. first worlder, where I can freely leave the lights on and not worry about going bankrupt.

>>61655928
That's what AC is for

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>>61654482

Do people not get this shit, honestly? Nvidia lets AMD innovate with a new architecture that ends up being 2 product cycles ahead of devs / everyone else, nvidia matures process on a stable dev friendly architecture for 2 more product cycles, which basically gives them free engineering power to develop a "new" gen architecture while AMD struggles and shits itself with terrible market share and even less dev support outside of synthetics and one or two AAA titles.

its really amazing nvidia has been able to do this for better part of a decade without amd catching on

>>61656023
Call me when nVidia can make a proper CPU.
No, housefi- i-i mean Denver does not count.

>>61654238
>>61651426
it's OK now you can buy AMD-branded GTX1070 for $500 and it will use 350W just like you always wanted :)

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>>61656035

Yeah, with diminishing returns, shrinking userbase across every category, impossible license fees along with competing with a company's unethical behaviors that almost rival nvidia's own. I think being the defacto dev unit for nearly every single auto OEM's autopilot setup, having a higher margin than anyone else in the electronics space and market share in every category that has long term growth

I think they're probably gonna be ok not making a cpu man

>>61656064
>I think they're probably gonna be ok not making a cpu man
Nah, ASICs are already killing nVidia's attempts at meme learning.
Fujitsu's meme processor and Crest Lake will end it for good.
gl hf Jensen.

>>61655315
>has to split budget between processors and graphics
>up against a jewing company that has a monopoly on the market
>still beats intels ENTIRE cpu lineup despite all the disadvantages AMD had
>delivers sub-par graphics card with high power draw
>"HURRDURRRRP, HOW EMBARASSING, AMD ARE FUCKING IDIOTS"

Come back when you're 18 pls

>>61654421
>caring about anything else when already have a ti
Admit it, you just wanted to bitch about amd no matter what.

>>61655674
More like a chip designed for modern crypto work would look almost exactly like a GPU without texture units.

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Because of this

>>61656152
Which begs the question: Why isn't AMD making a polaris chip without texture units?

>>61654502
It could affect the performance if games were written for it.
But as it was proven over and over again: if all the cards don't support it, no game will use it.

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>>61654238
>Why buy a card with double power draw for similar performance at the same price?
SR-IOV

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>>61656202
1 card?

Why couldn't they make culling and TBR work for today's launch?
They focused a little bit too much on pro stuff.

>>61656193
Probably because the twenty dollars they save per chip cutting down the game-specific features likely to be worth enough to justify a whole new production run. Cryptocurrency markets are way too volatile for most companies to be comfortable investing in them.

How does vega compare for say cracking password hashes?

>>61654238
I want gaymers to leave this board. I want miners to suppress gaymers.

A brand new fast card priced the same as the currently overpriced older cards? Sounds good to me... Maybe if this weren't the year of bitcoin bubbles it would be different.

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>>61656212
Our glorious thin client future awaits.

>>61654238
I'd rather get freesync and open drivers? That's my case, but that's not the only one. What, do you buy shit from the Walmart kikes?

>295W
>345W

AYYMD HOUSEFIRES

>>61654315
>I saw the 1080 for $450 today
And I saw a spotted unicorn flying across the sky. Your point being? Don't give me that shitty rebate dead link again.

>tfw bought a 480 for $199 with a free game, and got a 144hz Freesync panel for $179
>didn't sell to miners so I didn't have to worry about getting a replacement gpu that might not support Freesync
Polaris is the shit for Average Joe. I would have loved to see a super cheap ~1070 performance card from Vega though.

>>61657099
>I would have loved to see a super cheap ~1070 performance card from Vega though.
That is the 56 cu version. It's $400 which is still $50 cheaper than the cheapest 1070.

>>61657018
Store retailers are selling it for the equivalent of $450 in my country, its a 2 yr old card with a successor right around the corner, plus it's holiday season, which us when most cards sell. Why is this so unbelievable to you. I'm not the initial poster BTW.

>>61655688
>Only available in certain territories
AMD hates Europe

>>61656001
If you don't care about money, you would buy a 1080ti instead of a vega anyways, retard.
AMDrones BTFO themselves

>>61656199
>It could affect the performance
>COULD
exactly. Until then it's just a meme buzzword

>>61657305
No thanks

>>61654238
>http://www.anandtech.com/show/11680/radeon-rx-vega-unveiled-amd-announecs-499-rx-vega-64-399-rx-vega-56-launching-in-august/3

>Speaking of Fiji, there’s been some question over whether the already shipping Vega FE cards had AMD’s Draw Steam Binning Rasterizer enabled, which is one of the Vega architecture’s new features. The short answer is that no, the DSBR is not enabled in Vega FE’s current drivers. Whereas we have been told to expect it with the RX Vega launch. AMD is being careful not to make too many promises here – the performance and power impact of the DSBR vary wildly with the software used – but it means that the RX Vega will have a bit more going on than the Vega FE at launch.

Vega is heavily bandwidth starved in gaming, and DSBR is exactly the thing to alleviate that bottleneck, so until we see independent benchmarks and find out if and how well the driver team can implement DSBR we are STILL basically guessing at how it's going to perform, infuriatingly.

>>61657541
Gonna be holed up in a cave until August 14th desu.

>>61657666
>Gonna be holed up in a cave until August 14th desu.
Seriously, this is utterly fucking absurd. Wouldn't they have been way better off to delay the launch an explain that they needed more time to implement all the new uarch features?! Why hard launch Vega FE when the drivers weren't even half finished?! Why have an RX Vega event where you STILL can't show anything? This is sheer lunacy.

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>>61656202
Hol up hol up hol up...
You mean to tell me... Vega has FUCKING SR-IOV support right out of the fucking box for your average consumer?

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>>61657793
They don't really care since they just launched a card that competes with itself.
>>61657800
They may or may not disable it in RX Vega.

>>61654334
>I have no idea how anything works and just spout memes

>>61655781
Source?

>>61658100
There is none. It's probably Q2 2018 if it's using GDDR6.

>>61656202
Wait, what in the actual fuck? I thought Vega FE didn't have it. I will buy the shit out of Vega if it has SR-IOV. I like using Linux so having a weak GPU is a no go and buying two similar GPUs is too much desu. Sauce me up familia.

>>61658303
AMDs said stuff about SR-IOV a few times when talking about Vega, also its under the arch features slides https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Vega_Microarchitecture_Technical_Overview/5.html
Theres no confirmation that the FE has or doesn't have it. Surprising no one tried.

>>61658531
>Surprising no one tried.
Not with the retards we have for "tech enthusiast" press. It took German Tom's Hardware to actually do proper testing on Workstation shit http://www.tomshardware.de/vega-benchmarks-workstation-leistungsaufnahme-gaming,testberichte-242375-6.html

>>61658677
Maybe L1 will try it out?

>>61656202
What is that? Can I replace my GPU-Passthrough VM setup with this so I need just one card?

>>61655469
culling is part of tile based

>>61655658
buying vega at 2000 while you can profit that money back in 1-2 weeks? well no

>>61657824
yeap i better hope they bring this shit down to the average consumer also...

having an ssd practicly on the gpu will cut a lot of the middlemans resulting in a nice bump on the perfomance

>>61660402
he will for sure i bet he will be touching himself

>>61660818
Yeah, it's the holy grail for VMs. Instead of throwing the entire GPU, you can choose sections of your GPU to throw in there. It's great since you can have your guest with almost full power and your host can get the resources back after.