Doom Benchmarks on Vega 64

>>61654072
>only showing AMD's best preforming game
What did they mean by this?

>>61654072
Anything more than 60 fps in 1080p is a waste of money
t. non-gamer AMD fag

>only 30 percent faster than a fury x, two years later

AMD are fucking hopless

t. AMD owner

>>61654102
Some people have high refresh rate panels, which, if you've ever experienced, ruin 60Hz panels forever.

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1080fe performance one year later
$599
400watt

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>>61654072

>1080

>>61654108
yeah this i cant wait to get a pascal gen 2 in a couple of months, fuck amd they are fucking useless at gpu's

>>61654139
Is it Vladimir Putin?

>>61654139
Well yeah, Vega 64 competes with the 1080, not the 1080Ti price wise.

>>61654135
The 1080 was literally $450 today

https://slickdeals.net/f/10407968-gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1080-directx-12-gv-n1080wf3oc-8gd-8gb-newegg-ebay-apply-code-pcollege10-464-98

>>61654129
144Hz monitors will never be a thing.
Heck, not even 4k on desktops are going to be a thing anytime soon

>>61654163
man vega is fucking dead in the water.

>>61654241
I must inform you that the happening of a 'thing' is not restricted to your basement. 144Hz is a thing, so is 4K. Just because you don't have it doesn't mean others don't. My 144Hz monitor doesn't cease to exist because you don't think it does. Dumb fuck.

>>61654247
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/asus-to-launch-four-rog-rx-vega-64-gpu.html

Asus makes 4 cards. Early september, fast for asus. It will all depend how 56 variant performs, if it's 1080 level for $400 it's good.

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as a fury x owner, vega is a fucking disappointment

I was hoping to switch to it because I was hoping it would be at least twice as performant (4k gaymes are pretty damn gpu intensive), but it looks like I'm going to have to wait... for navi

>>61654317
just switch to pascal already you faggot

>>61654341
nope

>>61654086
This. Benchmarks are always bullshit.

>>61654086
it's also best performing nvidia game, accidentally

>>61654072
>These results
>Own Fury X on a custom loop
So, there's no point in upgrading to Vega? Ok.
I mean, if they're stupidly cheap and have a custom loop block option I'd maybe consider it, but fuck paying the price of a Fury X again, and then the price of a custom block + backplate just to get it back into my system.

>>61654317
>TFW same boat
I'm here for you brother.

>>61654317
390 Nitro 1440p here
if it's 70% more performance of $400 variant i will consider it.

>>61654317
Take that space heater out of your machine and get a 1080 you fucking faggot.

They're on sale for $450 at least once a week.

Stop letting the poojeets stick their brown dick in your ass continuously for decades. They can't release a good GPU for fucks sake.

>>61654274
>144Hz is a thing
I'm yet to see any of my colleges using 144Hz. Unfortunately your gaming cave is not ``real world``.
>4k
Yeah i've seen some 4k screen, not very common in workplace

>>61654381
>>61654086
Yeah doom runs amazing on everything

>>61654144
Sub 10% gain on Volta.

>>61654552
There's only so much you can do without a two node jump lmao.

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>>61654507
Nice try Jen-Hsun Huang

>>61654317
>wait™

>>61654341
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>>61654290
it will still be a 300watt+ card tho

>>61654614
air cooled is 390 powerdraw
irrelevant, for me at least, anything 390 and below is okay

>>61654645
the 390 is a 400 watt card at peak anon, the 1080 is 300 at its absolute max

>>61654507
nah

>>61654527
I'll defend 120Hz panels. 144Hz+ has lower latency but is 1) more expensive. 2) requires more demanding framerates. At the very least replaying older games with a high refreshrate is cool.

>>61654660
you make vega sound even better to me
650w PSU runs 390 nitro easily, meaning vega won't bother it at all

>TDP matters for GPUs
is the worst bullshit marketing nvidia won the market with ever conceived
CPU power draw is important because it has to go through the socket, GPU are fed directly
electricity bill differences between 200w and 300w TDP are what? under 5%?

>>61654317
>Implying navi will be any better.
Stop kidding yourself m8.

>>61654760
>MCM GPU
Yes.

>>61654527
I've got 144hz monitor and have had one ever since they Have been around, Even a bunch of non gamers of friends of mine also have a 144hz.

>>61654552

If making shit up helps you forget your housefire 1 year old performance "flagship" then so be it.

>>61654863
>no two node jump
But he's right.

Did vega end up having any useful new features? If they used IF on threadripper systems to combine multi gpu setups it would be useful.

>>61654752

Oh cute, suddenly the endless "housefire" shit you've been spouting for the past year across Fermi and Kaby Lake is all okay when AMD launches a record setting housefire card.

>>61654072
I thought last gen's cards already did this.

>they actually think that any cards if as 'advertised' will not be bought up by cyrptomaggots and push the prices up by at least $100
And it would be like they didn't even make any cards at all for the enthusiast market.

>>61654752
Vega will probably overclock like dogshit because of the high thermal properties. The fact that it already fucking absorbs 30-40w at stock should tell you that.

>>61654527

>Work
>Colleges

Sorry kiddo, pretending you're the elite tech God doesn't change reality

>>61654876
No, not even TBR is enabled (yet).

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>>61654241
Isnt' the best selling and the fourth best selling monitor on newegg a 144hz?

Yeah, it is.

>>61654777

Just like the incredibly scaling GCN and that amazing HBM saved Vega!

>>61654527

I have 3 4k and two 144hz Freesync lol.

At work all the monitors are 4k

>>61654906

Nuh uh, doesn't matter. My colleges and my workplaces I don't see them so they don't exist!

>>61654909
(You).
Now go make fucking interconnect Jensen.

>>61654906
>144hz TFT

Eww

>>61654969
TN*

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>>61654969
I own the 24" model and it looks nice especially considering it's generally only $180.
That's not the point though, the point is they sell like fucking crazy. Every popular peripheral(zowie fk2, g403, etc) on amazon has it in the customer's also bought section.
Second and third best sellers on US amazon also 144hz.

>>61655002
>looks nice
Yes gold plated dogshit looks delicious if all you've had to eat is dogshit.

Looks fine to me. I'll keep my rx 470 though since I'm at 1080p.

But hey nice to see amd doing well.

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>>61655010
enjoy your 60hz slide show then

seems like everyone else is all over 144hz

>>61654886
Yeah what the fuck their logic is fucktarded

t. 390x owners

>>61655028
>60hz is a slideshow
>Movies are 24fps because high framerate looks goofy and cheap
>I need muh 144hz for twitch shootans

Eat shit gamerkid.

>>61655143
>bwaa! sour grapes

>>61655143
>>61655143
I actually use it for WoW mostly but yeah every game looks dramatically better even at just 90hz like ME:A which is all my 980ti can do.
Don't watch movies but if i did I would probably have a monitor that's good at that as well. 144hz is dirt cheap

>>61655166
>sour grapes
>Implying anyone who can afford a IPS screen can't just simply buy a 144hz TN piece of shit if they needed or wanted to play muh FPS games

Kek

>>61655177
>144hz is dirt cheap
It's because TN panels are dirt cheap

>>61655213
okay but the point, once again, is that they are selling very well and are certainly a "thing"

>>61655222

desu people will tolerate substandard images as long as they think they will get the best gear for their elite fps games, huehuehue,

>>61655237
this board has the best word filters

>>61655222
They're selling well because they're
1. Acer
World renowned for decades for making cheap shit.
2.Cheap

>>61654072

Delete this you fucking dumbo

>>61655252
>Implying the shitty fa m and tb h filters are specific to this board

Go back to r eddit.

>>61655143
movies are 24fps to save some jews a few pennies on film reel 100 years ago. They didn't change it because luddites complained.

>>61654072
>AMD Product released 12 months after competing product is less than 10% faster overall
>IPC increase comparative to FuryX is non-existent, all gains are through frequency alone
wow, this is fucking shit.
Raja confirmed for fired.

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>>61655264
been here longer than u nigga
t. 2007
>>61655253
k but i was talking to this guy >>61654241

>>61655287
>Longer than me
>2007

Kek no, children.

AMD should drop out of gpus and focus solely on killing Intel on cpus

>>61655313
Their sole major source of income is making APUs for all current gen Consoles, that's not happening anytime in the next decade at least.

>550 watt psu
I'm gonna have to upgrade that aren't I?

>>61655278
They wish they were getting frequency gains, its only about 25% faster for a 50% clock increase.

>>61655287
>2007
I guess that's 10 years now, but you're still a fucking newfag cancer faggot.
lurk moar.

-t old domain

>>61655358
1050 to 1650 isn't 50%...
Also without the power features and no reliable reviews outside AMD - I'm not entirely sure it's even hitting the 1650 boost clock at all times and might be throttling.
The Vega64 base clock is on 1382mhz...

It would stand to reason that they aren't getting proper frequency scaling simply due to it throttling at hitting 1650mhz on some workloads (which is even more hilarious in a way)

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>>61654072
>best case scenario (Doom @ Vulkan) better than 1080
>on average clearly going to be on par with 1080
>same price as 1080

What a waste of silicon. I was really waiting for Vega as I have a FreeSync monitor but I'll just keep my RX 480 I guess.

Vega doesn't seem all that terrible. I'll just sell my Fury to a miner for $400 and get one.

>>61655397

why are you faggots assblasted? You didn't cry when Ryzen was 5% slower than i7 7th gen in gayming, but you get all butthurt over this?

AMD has forwarded their performance a lot by going from RX 480/580 to Vega 64. I would say almost 100% increase in FPS.

This is good if you want to avoid Nvidia with their telemetry drivers (and you need to sign in with a facebook account to update the drivers aswell kek) and 200$ price premium on goysync monitors

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Vega_Microarchitecture_Technical_Overview/7.html
The uarch is nice.
Where's the performance, especially "primitive culling" and "DSBR" parts?

>>61655383
I was assuming they were using the 1550mhz air version, but who knows. If they had the liquid version I'm sure it was at least stable. What card has ever launched that didn't hit its own advertised boost frequency.

>>61655383
Sounds more like a thermal throttling issue.
That's as fast as Vega64 will go. It's not like AMD has a history of releasing pushed to the envelope hardware that would count as factory overclocking by other manufacturers right?

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>>61654072
>Doom @ Vulkan, aka THE ideal case scenario for showcasing AMD performance
>10% better than 1080 FE
>for some reason AMD brags about this instead of being embarrassed

>>61655413
>why are you faggots assblasted? You didn't cry when Ryzen was 5% slower than i7 7th gen in gayming, but you get all butthurt over this?
Are you this retarded? R5 1600 + B350/X370 is only like 9% slower than i7-7700k + Z270 over a 30-game average, but it's HALF the god damn price, runs much cooler, and is BETTER in other scenarios (VMs, development, media creation, etc.).

Vega doesn't come close to being that good.

>AMD has forwarded their performance a lot by going from RX 480/580 to Vega 64. I would say almost 100% increase in FPS.
>This is good if you want to avoid Nvidia with their telemetry drivers (and you need to sign in with a facebook account to update the drivers aswell kek) and 200$ price premium on goysync monitors
Yes there'll be benefits to Vega 64 over 1080 but there's also disadvantages like power consumption and heat output.

>>61655455

>literally double the performance compared to RX 480/580

They should be proud

>>61655213
>not buying a 100Hz+ ultrawide VA panel

>>61655413

>(and you need to sign in with a facebook account to update the drivers aswell kek)
Amdrone sprouting bullshit again

Will my 500W 80+ silver PSU be enough for VEga 64?

t. Ryzen 7 1700 stock clock user

>>61655468
>managed to catch up with Maxwell just as Nvidia are going to release Volta

Kek.

>>61655483
>500W
>silver
but why

>>61655492
>nvidia are going to release another, now even bigger, Maxwell
Hmm. Bravo JHH!

>>61654072
Friendly reminder that Fury X which was normally 20% behind 980 Ti/1070 was going head to head with them in Doom's Vulkan by gaining 32% performance. This GPU literally will have performance worse than 1080 in 95% of video games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCHmV3c7H1Q

>>61655501
>meanwhile AMD releases a new architecture every year that's still worse than Maxwell.

Bravo, pajeet.

>>61655413
>and you need to sign in with a facebook account to update the drivers aswell kek

Demonstrably not true. I just started downloading the latest driver thirty seconds ago, signed in with nothing but my burner e-mail.
You can also download the standalone driver and use no registration at all, if you're into that.

>>61655494

i fell for the modular power supply meme

literally could've bought an 850watt 80+ bronze spaghetti cable psu and some extension cables for around the same price

>>61654317
"performant" is not a word, pajeet

>>61655519
That would be asking for a housefire. Fully modular, 80+ gold is a minimum unless you're poor, in which case buy used.

>>61655545
>buying used PSU
That's only an option if you're an idiot. 80+ bronze is perfectly sufficient if you want to save some money, and there are lots of quality options available.

>>61655564
weird thing happened
I got seasonic titanium 650w prime and my bill got cut 20%. Went from 750w corsair bronze.
Mostly its due to electricity being cheap here, but still kind of nice,
so do not save on PSU.

>>61654072
>doom vulkan
so it will lose to the 1080 in 99% of games

>>61655413
the problem is that some of us wanted to upgrade from fury cards to vega and wanted a near 2x performance jump... paying $499 for a 30% performance boost is not worth it

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>>61654072

AMD is sandbagging. Wait for review from youtubers

>>61655778
>Wait®
Like always.

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>>61655539
sorry, I'll be a good boy now and buy a 3.5gb card now

>>61654072
non-fe 1080 is like 20% faster so yeah AMD is dead
>releasing GTX1070@400W a year too late for fucking $600

>Vulkan
Why not OpenGL? Why not some other game, like DXMD or, I don't know, The Witcher 3? GTA V? Or even Crysis 3, lol

>>61656002

Non-reference Vega will be also faster.
Not that it matters since if it's 10% faster in Doom Vulcan, it's all but guaranteed to be 20% slower in pretty much every other game.

>>61655731
The difference between bronze and titanium is around 10%. Not exactly a huge deal unless you're running the computer under load 24/7. And even then 10% of 650 is 65. 65x24x30/1000=48.75kWh. I don't know how much you pay for electricity, but that's not a lot of money AND it's assuming the PSU is under 100% all the time, which is not a very likely scenario, and certainly doesn't reflect how most people use their computers.

>>61656191
There's also a huge price increase once you go from gold to platinum. Bronze to gold is possible relatively cheap and can be worth the money, but past gold it's not worth the money just yet.

>>61656062
Because in 1080p Fury X is 30 fps behind 1070 when using Doom's OpenGL while being slightly ahead using Vulkan. Because every game you mentioned will show a stock FE 1080 blowing away Vega. Get ready for those shill reviews where they benchmark only DX12/Vulkan games in 4K only to cover any disparities.

>>61655504
So vulkan is better for both amd and nvidia. (mostly for amd tho) Can someone explain me why isn't every developer using vulkan then?

>>61656340
You need semi-decent programmers to leverage the advantages of Vulkan.
Decent programmers are extremely rare in gamedev.

its not the real Doom you fags

>>61656340
Because both Vulkan and DX12 whiling giving you more control also bring extra level of complexity not to mention Vulkan's SDK is just trash.

>>61656356
So it's multi thread usage all over again we might see it being used in 10 years.

>295W
>345W

AYYMD HOUSEFIRES

>>61654969
>>61654997
TNs are infinitely better than IPSes for 144Hz, otherwise you just get a blurry mess on screen. Good TNs can practically indistinguishable from IPSes in terms of accuracy anyways. Fuck IPSes for any kind of gaming.

>>61657623
>otherwise you just get a blurry mess on screen

I suppose you can provide some kind of a rational justification for that claim?
t. 144Hz IPS owner

>>61657662
Yeah, IPSes have ridiculous response times and take forever to respond to colour changes. Compared to a TN or VA panel they're a hot mess in fast games. Take a look at the HardOCP Vega vs 1080Ti blind test where a shitton of people picked the Vega PC as the better one just because playing on a VA panel for the first time was such a revalation, being able to see things in motion during BF1 gameplay. Anecdotally I've compared a friend's 1440p/144Hz ASUS IPS to my 1440p/144Hz TN, and it's night and day in games likes CS.

>>61657742
>muh response times
>muh you have to see it to believe it

Oh, okay.

>playing on a VA panel for the first time was such a revalation, being able to see things in motion during BF1 gameplay

I've owned two high response time TN panels before the IPS one, you're full of shit.

>>61657855
I've owned 2 high refresh TN panels with ULMB functionality and a CRT I played shit on for ~a year before I could afford my first 144Hz TN, you don't know what you're talking about and don't want to believe your expensive purchase isn't as good as you thought it could be.

>>61654108
>>61654135
>>61654144
>>61654247
>>61654317
>>61654392
AMD finally confirmed on the record yesterday that Vega FE launched with all the power management features not working and with Draw Stream Binned Rasterization (AMD's version of TBR) not working.

We also know that Vega is specifically bandwidth starved in gaming, and that DSBR would alleviate that exact bottleneck. AMD claims both sets of features will be working in RX Vega launch drivers (and in updates for Vega FE at the same time) so until we see how well they implement DSBR we, infuriatingly enough, still have no idea how Vega is actually going to perform in games.

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>>61657855
>>61657886
Pic of my monitor (top) vs some disgusting scum IPSes.

>>61657963
>Vega is specifically bandwidth starved in gaming
>HBM2 leaves the card bandwidth starved
>just wait for drivers!

when will the review be up, I'm fucking tired of shills from both sides

>>61658047
It's obvious to infer based on their design decisions that they must have been counting on DSBR to avoid bandwidth bottlenecking, so until we see how well that works we basically don't know fuck all about Vega's ceiling in games.

Yes I know that sounds retarded but TBR is the sine qua non of why Maxwell was so much faster than Kepler in games.

>>61658122
August 14th

Who waiting for NAVI here?

>>61657963
Except for Doom, I guess, since Doom has its' own implementation of TBR IIRC.

>>61654102
I thought the same, then i got a 144hz refresh rate monitor. Trust me, it makes a difference.

>>61655504
Reminder that Doom implements its' own TBR on the software-level IIRC. This means that with the introduction of TBDR on the driver level at launch, the performance in games that aren't Doom should go up with a significant margin. I expect Vega 64 to be on par with the 1080 across most games once those drivers land... IF they land.

>>61654072
>muh Vulcan
So in 99.99% of other games it will perform worse, cost more, and consume more power than a SLI setup

unless you get 1080 performance for 1070 price its gonna be shit

>>61654072
>perfect case scenario for amd cards
>only 7 fps more than 1080(Not Ti) FE.
>400w
>insane temps
kek.jpg

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>>61654317
>yfw

>>61654614
It has 6+8 pin power connectors, so that means max 75+75+150=300W

>>61658484
>not counting pcie power xDDDDDDDDD

>>61657742
>VA
disgusting

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>>61658532
He just did.

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>>61658448
>perfect case scenario for amd cards
Doom doesn't run any better on Vega than it does on 1080. In fact it's slower on Vega FE.
>400w
That is the aircooled 295w reference they're testing

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>All these retards spewing "hurr durr Doom AMD's best friend"

Doom Vulkan runs great on Polaris. On Vega it's just average. And it runs pretty well on just about anything anyway.

>>61656340
It's a trash SDK, with no real benefits outside of compensating for shitty driver coding at AMD

At least it will be great for compute and rendering tasks.

>>61658638
>good for computing
>barely wins against a 1080 in opencl benches

>>61658623
DX12/Vulkan doesn't allow you to patch up drivers like NVidya has been doing with DX11. That does not make it trash, you fucking JHH fanboy.
>>61658660
Source? I google vega and opencl and find nothing. Only some leaked pre-release shit.

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Vega is a fucking disaster. Not because it can't compete but, because cryptoshitters will buy every single available card, rendering AMD's price/performance ratio useless.

You can buy a 1080 now and miss out on nothing. Miner faggots ruin everything.

Is it another Overclocker's dream?
FYI, Nvidia cards are easily overclockable.


However, you don't get either cards thanks to the mining trusts.

As long as governments don't do anything against that shit, the GPU market for the normal user is screwed.

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>>61658782
.t someone who didn't understand why miners bought up the 480 cards.

>>61658976
Both vega cards will be great for mining, even at 400 watt as long as eth stays above $150

>>61659012
I hope those mining cartels will get busted eventually.
It's clear that they are the ones buying GPUs huge amounts, even for a hefty price.

FUCK I can look past the subpar performance but I can't get over 300watt space heater. Guess I'm getting a 1070.

>>61659154
>Vega 56 is 300w
>Vega 56 won't be better than a 1070
?

>>61659189
>vega56 is 200watt (still more than 1070)
>It will only be better in a few dx12/vulkan games

>>61659218
>DX11 forever! More DX11 games will be coming out in the future! DX12/Vulkan are dead ends!
t. leather jacket man

>>61659268
its true though because dx12 requires windows 10 and developers don't want to drop the other half still on 7

>>61659292
If we go by Steam results, though, which is where most of the gaymur market is, a lot more people are on Windows 10 now. Windows 10 is already at 50%. http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/

>>61659330
so...half

>>61659030
It's funny, all those
>ayyymd grafix is finished xD [crying-loughing emoji]
Meanwhile AMD can't keep up with the demand created by cryptofags.

>>61659349
Vulkan adoption is increasing as well. UE, Unity, Frostbite and CryEngine all support Vulkan. Expect developers to begin supporting Vulkan soon since the hardest work is implementing it within the engine.

Will Vega 56 perform better than the gtx 1070 in crypto mining?

>tfw own 1080ti for months
>tfw no regrets
>tfw still has best price:performance out of almost any card out there

>>61659706
haha nope
its low memory clocks cripple the mining

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>>61659763
>best price:performance
Only because of the current miner rape storm.

>>61659816
>a bird is slower than a fish because it flies instead of swimming

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>>61659408
The real joke is every GPU that ends up in a farm = zero company growth and a loss of market share to nvidia

Cryptofags where one of the main reasons AMD nearly went bankrupt.

The game changer now is that nvidia is being targeted by cryto scum since they can mine certain alts.

>>61659835
no, even when 1070's were $400 the $700 1080ti was still king

>>61659894
>The game changer now is that nvidia is being targeted by cryto scum since they can mine certain alts.
Not nearly as bad as AMD though.

>>61659894
Are you retarded? It's only loss of msrketsharr in one market. In the crypto market AMD is like 99%

>>61654534
>Yeah doom runs amazing on everything
Gameplay is mostly tight tunnels, so it would be more surprising if it ran like shit on modern systems.

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>>61658484
actually it is 2x8pin connectors.

>>61659961
>Vega 56
You poster Vega64.
Are you retarded?

>>61657963
2 shekels have been deposited in you bank account

>>61659894
Every GPU sold = more profit. It doesn't really matter WHO buys them, only that they're bought.

lol 56 draws as much power as a thermi

>>61659980
still 2x8pin

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2993/radeon-rx-vega-56

>>61658733
Compubench

>>61657963
Lmao we are right back to "the secret features are disabled"

>>61660025
Scroll down tot the table
https://nl.hardware.info/reviews/7494/amd-radeon-rx-vega-preview-spoedig-verkrijgbaar-vanaf-$-399

>>61660283
>Lmao we are right back to "the secret features are disabled"
It's not a secret. They have now confirmed DSBR is not wokring yet, and since Vega is memory bandwidth bottlenecked in games and AMD claims DSBR can reduce bandwidth requirements by up to 30%, we aren't going to know dick all about how RX Vega really performs in games until DSBR is fully implemented.

By the way they also confirmed that none of the power management features were working in Vega FE.

>>61660319
Sure thing buddy

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inb4 "lel steam" it IS the target market for this piece of hardware and all this mudraking over 4k gaming performance is moot.

>>61660334
>http://www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/3004-rx-vega-64-and-vega-56-power-specs-price

>As for power tuning, we asked whether this was just tightening of the power target or if actual power performance features were enabled under the hood. Turns out, RX Vega isn’t just a matter of restricting power target, they’re actually doing something for power optimization. We couldn’t get explicit examples at this time. One thing we do know is that the voltage targets change, so voltage checks are at different frequencies than FE, and voltage should be lower. We’d expect that this will align with our findings in the undervolting testing on Vega: Frontier Edition, where power consumption can equalize while improving performance. It’s still AVFS, but just a better tuning profile than FE.

>We also asked AMD’s architects, including Mike Mantor, about whether DSBR was actually disabled in Vega: Frontier Edition or whether it was just a rumor. The architects loosely confirmed that tile-based rasterization was in fact disabled for Frontier Edition’s launch, which we think mostly aligns with statements about pushing the card out in time, and noted that DSBR will be enabled on both Vega FE and RX Vega on launch of RX Vega. We asked about expected performance or power consumption improvements, but were not given any specifics at this time. Wait for launch on that, though – we’ll get that information.

>>61660319
Always waiting

linux benchmark when

>>61660384
Good for you
Just Wait, I'm sure your desperate search for excuses as to why vega is garbage will pay off

1080ti performance for 12 dollars, don't forget your fire extinguisher

>>61654072

Oh look, the new ashes of singularity.

>>61660384
>eternally waiting
As if AMD disabling half their shit so close to launch is a good thing

>>61660436
>vega is garbage
Aside from Vega FE trading blows with the Quadro P6000 in professional workloads without the benefit of certified drivers.

And Vega WX is going to be even better than Vega FE in those applications and is 1/3 the price of a P6000

And Vega SSG is simply in a class of its own at $6,999 and AMD will sell as many of them as they can make.

And RX Vega is doesn't even have the key feature critical for alleviating its memory bandwidth bottleneck enabled yet.

Even if RTG fails to get DSBR working and RX Vega under performs, Vega WX and Vega SSG guarantee Vega will be a financial success for AMD.

>+Vulkan
nice baiting AMD

>>61660494
Ah it's you again
Not even gonna bother

>>61654072
>1 year later
>double the TDP
>barely higher performance in the one game that performs well on AMD
>same MSRP
>AMD still has absolutely nothing to compete against the Titan or 1080Ti

haha nvidia btfo am I right?

Dumb AMDcucks. This is AMD's biggest blunder in years.

>>61659960
doom 3 was almost tunnels and no light and it was running like shit

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>>61660549
Jesus Christ Radeon fucked

>>61660484
Nobody said it was a "good thing", it just means that we can't draw any conclusions about RX Vega's gaming performance until we see how well RTG implements DSBR.

>>61654163
nobody pays 600€ to be 2nd best

>>61655492
sucks for us, if only they had put out something decent to make Nvidia throw out their real best.

Will Nvidia push Volta out early to further crush AMD?

>>61660627
AMD does

>>61660741
i don't think buying their own cards will get them very far

>>61660724
They don't even need to release new cards, they could just make their cards cheaper. Lets not forget that Vega is more expensive to make.

>>61654072
>he trusts company benchmarks as long as they're from AMD.
You dumb faggot, this is why you wait for third party reviews.

>>61660319

I love how it's always - ALWAYS - like this.

>next amd garbage gets announced
>amd and its shills hype it up
>it comes out
>unsurprisingly enough, it's another piece of hot garbage
>cycle of "x m-magic thing w-will fix it, j-just wait!" ensues
>it never fucking happens, ever
>amd shills proceed to say that nobody every hyped anything and that it was always meant to be a piece of shit
>next amd turd gets announced
>...

It's never here or now, amd's performance is never tangible, it's always only in some theoretical scenario that never becomes reality.

>>61660775
Maybe they can get into ethereum mining

>>61657742
Since when the fuck were VA panels more responsive than IPS

>>61660810
SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP

all the special features are disabled

>>61660810
>It's never here or now, amd's performance is never tangible, it's always only in some theoretical scenario that never becomes reality.

August 14 isn't a theoretical scenario. RTG claims DSBR will be in the launch drivers for RX Vega so it won't be long to see how well their TBR implementation works, at least initially.

>>61660918
You know what, you really earned it
1.00 had been deposited into your account

>>61660283
>>61660334
>>61660436
>>61660810
>>61660871
Kill yourself.

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>>61661164

>>61660381
What do you want to bet that's 1080p 60hz and not 1080p 144hz?

>>61661171
Even after AMD themselves confirm features aren't enabled you're still shitposting "hurr durr secret features" like a useless sack of shit. Kill yourself. Drink bleach. Eat shit and die.

>>61661179
It's both, but probably mostly 60Hz.

That's certainly no excuse for your "enthusiast" GPU being unable to do 4K

Did the ever fix the completely random DOOM slowdowns?

>>61661194
>Even after AMD themselves confirm features aren't enabled

Oh wow, that's a relief. Someone impartial who has nothing to gain has confirmed that features that might or might not result in an improvement are not enabled, wink wink, nudge nudge, poor Volta. Waiting® resumed.

>>61661285
Kill yourself.

>I'd rather have a monopoly with 200% higher prices in 5 years than 10% worse framerate today.

> please buy this inferior product out of pity

>>61661352
For how many years has this hypothetical monopoly been 5 years away now?

>>61661194

Yeah, just like bulldoze was only a piece of shit because the two windows 7 hotfixes hadn't been released yet back then, amirite?

>>61661404
This analogy is so stupid that I'm fearing you may have brain damage. Seek medical help immediately.

>>61661420

And AMD fanboy accusing others of being brain damaged is all to rich. You could try doing stand ups, you wouldn't even need to open your mouth, being the joke yourself.

>b-b-but the company with direct interest in selling the product said it's gonna be g-good!

lel

>>61661448
Kill yourself.

>>61661464
I love how increasingly mad you're getting. Keep digging, amd pajeet.

>>61661388
You're an idiot. You're getting ripped off right this moment.

>>61661464
Why even bother replying with that stupid retort

>>61661489
I'm getting ripped off by getting better performance at the same price and half the TDP?

>>61661352
>buy our product strictly for balance's sake even though it's worse in almost all aspects

No, thanks, there are AMDrones who will do that no matter what happens, so there's no need for me to punish myself as well.

>>61661491
The guy is desperate since he's got nothing, it's why he can't do anything but insult people.

>>61661352

The irony about your statement is that since AMD legally qualifies as competition, Nvidia can't suffer from antimonopoly laws, even though it's years ahead in performance and efficienty when compared to anything AMD has to offer in the GPU segment. So yeah, thanks for the pretend competition which gives us an effective monopoly, AMD.

>>61661495
What are you on about, idiot? GPU market is not a competitive market. You're getting ripped off by sick margins.

>>61654072
>implying you need a graphics card to run a game from the early nineties
OH IM LAFFIN
>inb4 they meant doom 4
Doom 4 is not called DOOM

>>61661537
>even though it's years ahead in performance and efficienty when compared to anything AMD has to offer in the GPU segment
Sorry for your braindamage, but you REALLY shouldn't be on the internet without supervision.

>>61661587

So are you actually gonna come up with any point or are you just gonna keep getting mad as fuck and throwing your shitty insults at other people?

Nothing AMD has can touch the 1080ti and Volta is due next year. Your garbage Vega you're shilling so much uses over TWICE the power of a 1080 while only competing with it in your typical DOOM/Ashes of Nobody benchmarks and staying below in everything else. Cry, moan and throw insults all you want, that's a fact you can't get over it so please, by all means, throw more insults so you can show how increasingly desperate you are, AMD shill.

>>61654072
>Have a massive advantage against nvidia in DX12 and Vulkan across the board
>Barely beat card that came out over a year ago
Pretty pathetic

>>61658733
Da fuck you mean "patch up drivers", are you trying to say that AMD doesn't have shitty drivers.
I use an AMD card myself so don't give me that "fanboy" bullshit

>>61661638
Aircooled Vega uses at most 60% more power over a 1080, we don't even have the final drivers or release benchmarks. It's not even out yet. You're just sitting there jerking your NVidya dick.

>>61661587
>nvidia releases 1070 and 1080 a year and a half ago
>amd is only now releasing competing cards that use 2~3 times more power being objectively inferior due to laughable efficiency
>1080 isn't even nvidia's best card

I'm sorry, how is this not eating nvidia's dust again?

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Now that the Wait for Vega(tm) phase is over and we're now in the Wait for Drivers(tm) phase, when is it gonna turn into Wait for Navi(tm) to salvage this mess?

>>61661702
>he wasn't Waiting™ for Navi™ since 2016
Ayymd lmao

>>61660381
Steam has 125 million users as of 2015, its probably far higher than that right now. Even going by those numbers, that is over a million people with 4k monitors.

>>61661793
funny thing about steam
when I was on intel, it surveyed me every windows clean install
now that i'm on ryzen it stopped

>Steam Survey shows 1050, 1060, 1070 and 1080 outselling 1080 Ti 30-to-1
>AMD doesn't compete with 1080 Ti
> HAHAHA GUYZ AMD IS DOA HAHAHAH

>>61661826
I'm on Intel and I've never had it survey me after a clean install.

>>61661834
Steam survey has only ever shown up on my laptop, after 7 and a half years.
Really makes you think...

>>61661834
Okay but they still don't compete against the 1080, and didn't compete against the 1070 at all for over a year.

>>61660562
>Does not understand this is worst and best minimums over a range of games

>>61654102
Found the Sapphire RX 580 spokesperson. 60fps now is 30fps later when new games come out, paying for headroom isn't a bad thing. Also, playing at 1080p without at least 2xSSAA is eye cancer.

-t person with 20/20 vision

>>61658782
>the GPU sales to gamers are the only sales that matter meme

I'm so sick and tired of this shit. A sale is a fucking sale who cares who it goes to. Fucking retards.

>>61660549
That's a pretty good cross-section of games.

>>61662476
Are you saying this unironically?

>>61662490
Oh no I dared to say something about Vega isn't shit, guess the NVidia squad is going to have to arrest me now. Fuck off.

Holy moly

>>61654072
nice... now do the same in openGL

>>61662588
no

>>61662588
Name 2 AAA opengl games

>>61662626
DOOM
Dirt 4

now you name 2 AAA Vulkan games

>>61662643
>dirt 4
AAA
>doom opengl
Great meme

How To Choose GPU To Buy
Step 1. Do NOT read benchmarks EVER

>>61662738
>How to buy an AMD GPU
Fixed that for you

This fucking thread is so infested with Nvidya shills it's disgusting. Just nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

>>61662941
Wait™ until Charlie writes an article about V100 yields.

when do more benchmarks get released?
how is linux support?

>>61662992
You're gonna buy it no matter what
Don't even wait

>>61663006
well if it's not even functional on linux, i wont buy it

>>61657970

>I need more
>I need more
>I need more
>I need more

I NEED MORE WHAT!?!?

I thought Intel shills were bad, holy fuck, NVidya fanboys are like rabid fucking animals.

>>61663191
socks you blind fuck

>>61654614
Vega 56 is reported to be 150W-210W.
Vega 64 is reported to be 295W.
Only liquid cooled is over 300W.

>>61663210
Yea like wolves and I'm the pack leader alpha

Runs best on ps3

>>61654072
is it watercooled tho?

Raja here.

Just wait for magic drivers, sirs. Please be kindly enjoying best frame rates to come!

>>61662420
This is wrong. Miners have taken advantage of RMA in the past to refresh for a higher resale. On top of that they buy dozens of cards at the same time allowing retailers and MFGs to sell their cards for way above MSRP. Then on the marketing side they have no interests in certain brands which is concerning to partners since that means they will likely opt-out of their ecosystem the next go around.

>>61663360
There's 3 models, the highest end (literally a firehouse) is watercooled.

>>61663287
56 is 210w. 150w is for the package, 210w is for the entire cars.

WAIT until the 14th for benchmarks™
WAIT until September for AIB cards with better cooling™
WAIT until Volta/Navi™

>>61663939
WAIT until the sweet embrace of death

amd is so fucking worhtless

>>61654102
>here is my opinion on gaming requirements.
>I dont play games.

nice post.

>>61657970
Sorry famalam, but last looks best IMO.
Slight sharpness bump not worth awful inverse ghosting from turning overdrive up to 11.

>>61663287
I might just go with the Vega 64 and downclock/undervolt the shit out of it.

Whoever in RTG set the company policy of factory overclocking their cards needs to be shot.

>>61665092
>1060 performance with 1080 price and 1070 power consumption

Brilliant.

>>61655237
You're a fucking idiot and probably can't even see the difference between 60 Hz and 144 Hz if you tried. If you could you'd realize there is a market for 144 Hz monitors and that they are "a thing."

Also
>owning one monitor

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>>61658047
>>61660283
>>61660334
>>61660810
>>61660436
>>61660513
>>61661171
>>61662026
>>61661285
>>61661404
>>61661448
>>61661480
>>61661502

>Has been provided a technical explanation on why a certain product might be underperforming
>Instead of counterarguing with technical facts, brings nothing of value into the discussion and just cries "muh AMD fanboys"

>Not even gonna bother

Yes, don't bother and fuck off to >>>/v/

(You) guys are the cancer on /g/

>>61665895
They don't care, their sole purpose in life is to shit on AMD and attack anyone who tries to defend them. They're like little attack poodles owned by JHH.

>>61665129
The RX 480 is already 1060 perf and 1070 power at $200-$250 prices.
Vega Nano/undervolt will be >90% the performance at 80% of the power draw or better.
So basically still 1080 performance and power draw at 1080 Ti or higher manufacturing costs.

>>61665895
Fanboys are cancer in general. I don't really give a fuck what card you buy, just stop vehemently attacking a brand that's putting out good products.

It seems like these sperglords don't understand that competitive offerings from brands other than their favorite means that the prices for that brands products have to lower to stay competitive. It also prevents anti-consumer practices.

>>61666416
>1060 performance
Rx 580 shits on the 1060 in every modern game
>1070 power
Lol what the fuck are you smoking.

>>61666473
>580 shits on the 1060
It's 2% better

>>61666524

sshhh

Let the fanboy and with his delusions.

>>61665895
>>61666252
>AMDumbfucks are bathing in their own sorrows
>when in reality if vega was actually good they would be shitposting out the ass with wojaks and memes
>but now that they got BTFO it's become "oh my gosh they are being so mean they are just attacking us oh my goodness"

>>61654527
you probably work in africa, nigger

>>61665895
Yeah, perhaps they should have thrown some insults like you amd pajeets are doing instead of raising any point whatsoever to defend this POS gpu.

>>61666565
We don't even have reviews yet.

>>61666595
You don't need the reviews to shitpost.

>>61666595
Look at the OPs picture
Even the strongest is garbage
>inb4 special features

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>>61659961

>>61666576
This was posted fucking 10 hours ago and the guy was immediately attacked by shitvidya shills.
>>61657963
tl;dr Kill yourself.

>>61666626
Acktually nVidia's shit looks like chinkshit attempt at futurism.

>>61666524
>Went on userbenchmark and posted a retarded percentage

Sure but I'm

>Literally shits on gtx1060 in every benchmark besides civ VI

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-rx-580-review,5020-3.html

>rx vega is bandwidth starved

wasnt the whole point of HBM2 to be so this DIDNT happen?

>>61666524
>>61666539
It's more like 10%, 15% in most dx12 titles.

>>61666622
http://www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/3004-rx-vega-64-and-vega-56-power-specs-price

As for power tuning, we asked whether this was just tightening of the power target or if actual power performance features were enabled under the hood. Turns out, RX Vega isn’t just a matter of restricting power target, they’re actually doing something for power optimization. We couldn’t get explicit examples at this time. One thing we do know is that the voltage targets change, so voltage checks are at different frequencies than FE, and voltage should be lower. We’d expect that this will align with our findings in the undervolting testing on Vega: Frontier Edition, where power consumption can equalize while improving performance. It’s still AVFS, but just a better tuning profile than FE.

We also asked AMD’s architects, including Mike Mantor, about whether DSBR was actually disabled in Vega: Frontier Edition or whether it was just a rumor. The architects loosely confirmed that tile-based rasterization was in fact disabled for Frontier Edition’s launch, which we think mostly aligns with statements about pushing the card out in time, and noted that DSBR will be enabled on both Vega FE and RX Vega on launch of RX Vega. We asked about expected performance or power consumption improvements, but were not given any specifics at this time. Wait for launch on that, though – we’ll get that information.

tl;dr yes there are disabled features, if even one more "special features" dribbles out of your fucking mouth you're officially confirmed useless shitposting pile of garbage of the year.

>>61666656
Ok fanboy
Can tell you didn't even read the page

It's 2% better than the newest 1060

>>61666718
>Ignores benchmarks
>I-It's 2% DONT INSULT MY PRECIOUS TEAM GREEN CARD

It's about 10% faster, I'm sorry the truth hurts.

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>>61666744
>meanwhile in reality
Gotta calm down Melvin your bloodpressure is gonna get way too high

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>>61666718
>Being this fucking retarded.

>>61660870
since forever? IPS is the least responsive panel there is unless you get a fake IPS (AMVA) panel

Hey at least this thread collects all the shitposting.

>>61666622
>Even the strongest is garbage
>12% faster
>Other games will be within 6% of that
kys.

>>61666777
>Top of list is a lot of popular modern titles, using dx12, all over 10% in graphically intense titles.
>Gtx 1060 beats it by a few percentage in old dx11 shit, meme games that run on potatoes, and games no one plays

Whatever fits your narrative Nvidia shill.

>>61666839
>only 12% faster than a 1080 a year later and with far more power draw
Lmao it's garbage Rajeev

>>61666777
>In reality

The rx580 runs more modern games significantly better than the gtx 1060, and that 2% Mark is only because it performs ***slightly*** better in shit tier dx11 titles and games that run on Intel's IGP at 60fps high settings anyway?

So are you just fucking retarded or your typical shitposting troll?

>>61666939
>if the games aren't dx12 we shouldn't even count them
Retard

>>61666777
>top of the list is almost entirely dx12 titles with significant gains in performance
>Bottom of the list is Garbage tier dx11 titles, non graphically intensive games, and the Witcher 3

Nvidia shills confirmed for delusional

>>61666958
>We shouldn't be concerned that one card beats the other in more modern games
>These shitty dx11 games and non-intensive "designed to run on anything" games matter moar!

So you really are a retard. Good to know

>>61666991
>>61666939
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE IF ITS NOT AN AMD SPONSORED DX12 GAME IS DOESNT COUNT FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU

is everyone suddenly going to backpeddle ounce it's found out the watercooled Vega is as fast as a 1080ti?

>>61667027
>it only counts if I say so
Glad to know you're a retard

>>61667034
No, because that's not happening

So basically what you're saying is, Vega is not much faster than the 1080, let alone 1080 Ti. The price is better... but stockpiles aren't good. Aluminum looks nice.

Also, it won't run Doom max settings in 4k 60FPS, so it's still not the dream card.

>>61667034
No, the shitposting will continue but as "IT TOOK THEM A YEAR TO GET 1080 TI PERFORMANCE GO TEAM GREEN!!!"

Then, after 3 months and amd drops a driver update that makes all the vega and Polaris cards take an even bigger performance dump on everything Nvidia offers, they'll start spamming POO IN LOO in every /g/ thread whether it has anything to do with GPUs or not.

Nvidia fanboys are the fucking worst. Leather jacket man could say the gtx1180 is just a rectangular brick in a green box and every rabid fanboy would buy 2 of them for SLI.

>>61667101
Lmao this fanboy is incredibly upset

>>61662626
>Name 2 AAA opengl games
Doom
Tomb raider
DotA 2
Counter strike
Tons of other valve games.
But I thought opengl was basically dead now?

>>61667101
>IT TOOK THEM A YEAR TO GET 1080 TI PERFORMANCE
You mean GTX 1080 performance in 1 year.
I told you fuckers Vega would be between the 1080 and 1080ti.

>>61667252
>he names 4 games
Woah......
I guess you really blew the guy the fuck out, I can see opengl is alive and better than ever