https://videocardz.com/71090/amd-ra deon-rx-vega-3dmark-fire

YES FUCKING DIE AMD!!!

I'm so glad AMD Is bound to go bankrupt from Vega fiasco,

>>61554621
>Implying

>>61554486
Now clock them the same.

>>61554486

It is performing as expected.

/v/tards are just a bunch of dislusional idiots who thought it would be a Vega killer.

Volta isn't going that much of a bump in gaming either. It is going to be more focused on general compute.

Pascal owes most of its performance bump over Maxwell to the 16nm process permitting to be clock almost up to 2Ghz barring thermal limitations.

>>61554769

ahem 1080/1080Ti killer

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>>61554785
Then how the FUCK can it even compete with P6000?
Exblain blease.

>>61554486
and sunday we learn it's weakest version for 320 MSRP
that would be hilarious as hell.

>>61554794
It doesn't those are faked benchmarks

>>61554950
t. leather jacket man

Lisa needs to fire the pajeet, it's no faster than a die shrunk fiji would have been.

>>61555057
Really? >>61554794

>>61554794
>>61555085
I keep telling you those are cherrypicked benchmarks

>>61555171
Oh yes.
Totally.

AMD needs to sell RTG

>>61555224
Intel wishes.

>>61555224
Why?

>>61554486
Priced accordingly this isn't bad considering it's a overclocked 1080

>One year late
>Still can't catch up in Performance
>Twice the power consumption

What a disgrace and utter failure. They should have gone with a 500mm2 Polaris instead.

>>61555228
I guess I might change my mind when Raven Ridge is out

>>61555233
It's hurting the brand's image something fierce, and it's very clear based on how differently these divisions approach things like PR that AMD never fully absorbed ATI

>>61555258
Really? >>61554794
Could you please stop shitposting?

>>61555267
AMD's GPU's don't have brand image, anon.

>>61554486
alright guys what if #3 is sold at the same price as the 1070

still bad news for flagship vega but a potential win for consumers nonetheless

>>61555267
>It's hurting the brand's image something fierce
How? By performing or par or better than P6000?
Also
>AMD's GPU's don't have brand image, anon.
He's right, Radeon is long dead (since 8800 times) to average consumer.

1080 performance for the price of a 1070, sign me the fuck up. It will also pair and perform better with my ryzen then nvidia

>>61554486
1080 + 10%
For $400


SAY IT WITH ME

>>61555329
none of them even reach 1080 levels. they are overclocked 1070 performance.

>>61555329
I have a 4K Freesync monitor that I need to actually fucking drive

This is not a good scenario

>>61554486
why is the memory clock so low on the 1080 ?
is like ram where you have to double or quadruple it ?

>>61555368
>not 1080 levels.
>shows 1080 overclocked performance

>>61555329
Quadro P6000 is 1080 + 10%?

AMD should stick with mid-range. Why the fuck do they even bother trying to compare themselves to NVIDIA top-tiers?

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>>61555412
Because sometimes it works.

>>61555368
This. They lose against 1080 FE. Against an aftermarket 1080 with an overclock they can't compete at all.
I wouldn't be surprised if oced 1070s beat this turd in some games.

Raja should apologise to loyal AMD customers and commit seppuku

>>61555431
Quadro P6000 performs like an aftermarket 1080?

>>61555377
1080 - 22585

radeon - all less

if you can't reach the same score you get demoted to the next rung. so, repeat after me. 1070 level performance

>>61555444
That's a overclocked 1080 there you blind fucking duff.
Which is 10% more than stock 1080.

>>61555444
The reference 1080 clocks at 1733 MHz

>>61554639
>180w vs 300w
>not the same dies
>lets clock it at the same level

AMDrone

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>>61555457

Turbo boost? Hello?

>>61555486
Unless you wanna claim OC 1080 has the same performance as stock 1080 (it doesn't) due to "turbo boost", then I'm not understanding this attempt at going full retard

>>61555457
>>61555244
>>61555431
10% overclock keeps being thrown around
10% of 22000 is 22000
22330-29425=7000
so by your shillposting logic, even a stock card will win in these benchmarks
amd really hires the best viral marketing teams people

>>61555443
One cherry picked benchmark against dozens that show vega to be a big fat turd.
Stop clinging to false hope. AMD are going to disappoint once again.

>>61555548
No, it performs like P6000 while beating it in geometry.
So, P6000 is 1080 + 10%?

>>61555536
THE 1080 IN THE OP IS FUCKING OVERCLOCKED, LOOK AT THE FUCKING CLOCKSPEEDS

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>Actually falling for this
It's Vega FE benchmarks they are trying to pass off as new. All screenshots that actually show a score show 16GB of VRAM.

Compare Vega FE benchmarks here:
https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-vega-frontier-edition-unboxed-and-benchmark,2.html

>>61555587
Eh fuck off.
I was trying to shitpost.
The last thread was 300+ replies with <20 posters.

>>61555587
Never mind. says 8GB.

Still the same scores as Vega FE. Obviously bullshit.

>>61555630
It's still 5 days to go, we can shitpost all day long.

>>61555564
3dmark alway show the boost clock

>>61555587
??????

>>61554486
It fucking better be priced a lot lower than the 1080 otherwise there will be no reason to buy this piece of shit of a gpu, especially considering pascal has been out for over a year and volta is just around the corner. 3 years of hyping and waiting and it's literally nothing.

>>61555605
no you weren't. If you were you wouldn't reply to >>61555587, ignore said post, and keep on baiting for reply. Kill yourself.

>AMD cards slow to manufacture and always out of stock
Why are AMD so obsessed with the HBM meme?

>>61555630
if RX performs exactly like FE then we will have potentially witnessed the worst hardware launch in history.

>>61555832
Newshit please.
nv30 is still unbeatable.

>>61554486

AMD is sandbagging the core clock frequency.

RX Vega will be 2400MHz core clock and not 1600MHz core clock

prepare your anus, Nvidiot

>>61555850
>poo fueled fever dreams intensify

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>>61554486
>j-just wait for vega
>i-it's sandbagging guise
>j-just wait for RX
>i-it's sandbagging again for real this time
>j-just wait for drivers
>j-just wait for navi
>NVIDIA IS FINISHED ANY TIME NOW

>"Benchmarked and uploaded by thegametechnician who works for Radeon in their marketing department.
Thats about as official as it gets folks.
This... needs to be cheap."


https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6pfcld/amd_radeon_rx_vega_3dmark_fire_strike_performance/

>OFFICIAL FUCKING AMD BENCHMARKS

Will my 500W PSU be enough? I have a Ryzen 8 Core 65W TDP processor

So it beats a stock 1080 and most likely will be priced lower then it also. What's the issue here?

>>61555850
>500 watt

>>61555904

Exactly, that's like a 2X performance over RX 480/580.

It will be a nice performance bump for me because I don't want to support Nvidia for their Intel-tier business practices

>>61555868
Hey that gif is pretty sweet / trippy

>>61555897
Why the fuck would RTG marketing submit firestrike resuts 5 days before launch?

>>61555897
>Source: some random redditor

please leave now and never come back

>>61555850
>the FE draw 300-375w but the gayming version @ 2GHz will blow nvidia fuck yeah!

>>61555926

To ambush Nvidia when they least expect it.

If AMD boasted about their 2,4GH core clock months before launch, Nvidia would either lower prices or go into full damage control mode like Intel and postpone Volta by 1 year like intel did

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>>61555926
>>61555943
>this much damage control

You heard it here first: Dual VEGA GPU with infinity fabric so it acts like one graphics card and doesn't have any problems like crossfire/SLI

prepare your anus, Novidya

>>61555955
The core clock is too high for 4k ALU.
>>61555965
No, i mean literally RTG marketing stuff leaks official RX Vega results.
Why?

>>61555457
It isn't you retard, my OC'd 2050 Mhz 1080 gets ~24 200 graphics score.

>>61555389
>buying a normal vega for anything but gaming
>implying that a gpu was not meant for gaming

>>61556182
lies

>>61556578
Хвaтит щитпocтить.

>>61556578
>1070/1080 performance for $300
Except the wait was worth it.

>>61556616
I doubt if AMD would willingly do it. Or even more meta like: replacing the entire Polaris line by selling those Vegas with the same price range?

>>61556616
>$300
>xbawaks HUEG die and HBMeme
pick one

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>>61556578
Hi, leather jacket man.

>>61556707
>if I keep posting this cherry picked slide retards might fal for vega
hi poojet

>>61556703
484mm^2 is huge?
Both companies sold ~600mm^2 dies for profit.
>>61556722
Oh yes, SPECapc is totally cherrypicking!
Get a fucking trip.

>>61556707
delid this!

>>61556734
>Get a fucking trip.
nice projecting

>>61556616
t. poorfag

The shitposting never ends. Is it amusing or fun for you niggers? These last 5 years have been terrible for this board.

On the Vega note, my expectations have been nonexistant ever since I saw the Doom demo months ago. They could try and sell it for less than 400 american shekels, but I highly doubt that will happen. It's a shame, they really should have just scaled Polaris up as well as throwing in Vega. I might considered it for open drivers on Linux, but I guess I'll stay cucked with Nvidia Maxwell for one or two years more. At least AMD has Infinity Fabric, here's hoping Navi can push out multiple die GPUs by 2019.

>>61556919
>>>/r/amd

>>61556919
>shitposting
Shitposting was during the fermi times. If you've checked cesspools like /r/amd, you'd know that there are legit amd fanboys who need a shrink. These kinds of retards are now here.

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stay jello nvidiots

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>>61555286
$350? I'd be interested but those power figures need to be right. I know everyone's all for performance but it matters that my videocard is whoring 300Watts. I'm not able that life desu.

Power numbers better be tight especially at idle.

>>61556969
And the fun fact is the 290x/390x and Fury are more power hungry and less efficient than Fermi

>>61555827
^honestly, i need to try to understand what's the deal w/ HBM 2.0 performance. I'd like to see some benchmarks that are biased towards heavy memory usage.

>>61557041
idle is actually first time for gcn under 20w even on FE

How about you retards just wait 6 days and then shitpost after Siggraph event?

>>61557214
It's summer and a new GPU is launched, it's like a solar eclipse of retardation. You can't escape the shitpost vortex.

>>61557214
Vega will be 1080 -100% cunty nvidia

>>61557214
How about you tell that "theGameTechnician" or whoever upload a legit FireStrike that shows Vega is not performance wise just on par with, but ways better than a GTX1080?

>>61557214
I will be posting during the event don't worry.

>>61556674
480/580 are all sold out, nobody will mad if they shit out better graficscards for same money

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>>61557214
But benchs dont lie, the same thing happen with Vega FE leaks

>>61557028
Throttling at stock comfirmed.
We have another Hawaii.

>>61554486
#3 is cut down
#2 and #1 are full rx vega with shitlol blower running around 1350Mhz-1400mhz

Hopefully there are AIB models with 1700mhz

>>61557621
Who wants a 500W GPU to go together with their 500W CPU?

>>61557553
Wait for AIBs. Wait for drivers. Wait for Raja to get fired.

i9 18 core and rx vega build when

>>61557675
Those better be overclocked.

>>61554486
this is sad. unless the price is way lower, all the years waiting were literally wasted

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>>61554486
Three years too late with twice too much power consumption, but I guess the boys will take whatever scraps they can at this stage.

>>61554639
Anon it's a GPU not an atomic bomb

>>61555412
>Why the fuck do they even bother trying to compare themselves to NVIDIA top-tiers?

They've been consistently destroying them or were on par with them, the only exceptions were the HD2000 series, and the recent HD2xx, 3xx, and Polaris / Vega.

>>61555329
At the cost of a house fire. Have fun

Good thing Ryzen is God tier. Get that payet out ASAP.

>>61555827
>Why are AMD so obsessed with the HBM meme?

They need to demo them somewhere, and Fury/Vega are the sacrificial lambs.

The reason they need HBM is because on an APU it will be absolutely devastating. Imagine a SoC with 4c/8t Ryzen, plus 2048 core Vega, plus 16gb HBM2/3.

You won't need to put RAM in that machine, let alone a videocard - it only needs VRMs and I/O. It would be a new form factor for PC, and a killer new chip for consoles.

>>61555835
>nv30 is still unbeatable.

Fermi came close, although yeah, nv30 being 100% slower in pixel shading was hilarious.

>>61554486
Anonymous Mon 17 Jul 2017 19:15:45 No.61428436 View
>>61425553
I'm sorry, but did Vega already fail? Oh, that's right. The RX Vega hasn't been released yet In fact, we're still weeks away. Does a workstation GPU performing poorly at something it wasn't designed to do count as failing? Is that what you're saying? Because if you're saying that I can assure you that you're wrong. Why would you make this topic when RX Vega isn't even out? RX Vega is still being tweaked and AMD have been the best GPU manufacturer for how many years now? And how many years have AMD been up against developers and reviewers paid off by Nvidia? But you know what? They're still fucking here. Maybe you should shut the fuck up before you make retarded topics like this. You know why? Because you're going to be embarrassed when the RX Vega outperforms the 1080 TI and someone bumps this topic. Oh look at that, the AMD just announced an official release date for Vega. Are you a fucking drunk? Are you retarded? Are you autistic? You are a fucking idiot and you should never make a topic on this board again and I'm fucking serious. I almost have a feeling you're the only guy making all these anti-AMD topics because you're a faggot hater who doesn't like AMD because they have morals. It's so easy to spot out your threads now, you're a retard. Always doing stupid shit like this. Why don't you try to be a good poster? Just for once? For once in your fucking life try not to make a topic like this. That's just you, you're always right at getting it wrong. Fuck you. You are nothing.

As of now I only see a few people in the market for this assuming it's priced the same or less than a 1080.

- People who invested in Freesync
- People who absolutely despise NVidia
- AMD fanboys who buy AMD no matter what
- Gamers who are desperate for any GPU due to rape by miners
- Miners who are desperate for any GPU because they're retards

If it costs more than a 1080 though? Forget it. Not even the miners are going to touch that shit. RIP.

>>61555904
>What's the issue here?

The issue is 0 IPC gain from Fury X, which makes it baffling that it took 3 years to release.

None of the architecture improvements they claimed are there.

>>61554486
Where's the links to benchmark?
Why the fuck the benchmark is posted by literally RTG marketing 5 days before launch?
What the fuck.

>>61557939
The development probably reached a dead end and they just had to churn something out, so they just rehashed the old thing they already had.

>>61557966
Then how the fuck does it even competes with full GP102?

>>61557939
Hardware issues or no drivers, take your pick.

>>61557939
There was 400% IPC gain in productivity

>>61557975
polaris is amazing though

What went wrong? Did pajeet get scared by the toilet witch mid development?

>>61557994
>in productivity
Ayyyy, no one gives a shit.

>>61557972
that really baffles me. amd needs a bigger driver team. some of the money from epyc has to go there.
the chip has potential, but needed to perform that way from day 1 to not to be a joke. alas, we are not getting it. yet, again.

>>61558025
https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/amd-vega-hardware-reviews.60246/page-21
Yea.
>>61558034
His Kyle!

>>61558034
>blower style
I am really sick of this.

>>61558006
Yea but it fulfills their IPC gain claim

>>61557895
2 shekels have been deposited in your bank account.

AMD isn't going to pull a new architecture out of their asses overnight with 30-40% more performance and eliminate the atrocious power draw. Also Vega FE is a workstation card the same way the GTX Titan is a "workstation card"

>>61558055
That's a fucking ref.
WiP on to be precise.

>>61557866
>Imagine a SoC with 4c/8t Ryzen, plus 2048 core Vega, plus 16gb HBM2/3.
>You won't need to put RAM in that machine
Lmao. It's almost like you want to see Ryzen perform worse than Bulldozer.

>>61555171
Tom's Hardware doesn't cherry pick in AMD's favor, though.
They are Intel's JDF arm.

>>61558080
GK110 Titans were nice for workstations.
Shame leather jacket man nuked them lol.

>>61558034
Hopefully RX Vega has the power connectors at the right most end of the card where they should always be.

>>61558055
>reference design for watercooling
>good for SFF cases
>good for multi-GPU setups (SLI/Crossfire are shit but I have another card in there for virtual machines)
I don't get why people sperg out over blower fans when there are valid reasons not to spray hot air all up inside your case.

>>61558083
don't care. I hate it.
>>61558139
they are loud as shit.

>>61558165
Blowers have their uses.
Calm the fuck down.
>Driver for this FireStrike result is 22.19.640.2
It's seemingly newer than the current FE's public driver around (22.19.384.2), but it's older than the 3dmark11 scores that appeared 3 weeks ago (22.19.653.0).
Wait that's lame.
>What's the delta to the FE?
>Pretty much same performance.
Eh.

>>61558182
I'm calm. I just hate them. Can't I just hate them?

>>61558203
No, since blowers have their uses.
Your hatred for them is irrational.

>>61558222
You're talking to GPU fanboys.

>>61554486
SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP THEY HAVE THE SECRET FEATURES TURNED OFF ITLL BE A 1080ti

>>61558268
Ah, i forgot.
What the fuck happened to GPU crowd?
Most people here on /g/ don't even have a basic understanding of how GPU works anymore.

>>61558222
I just hate blowers, I don't care about their special usefullness.
>>61558268
>You're talking to GPU fanboys.
why are you here then? we talk about gpus.

>>61558276
let's see here, I'm seeing three scenarios

>they lied about developing TBR
>they did but their implementation sucks ass
>they did and they're sandbagging

I think #2 is more plausible

>>61558308
Considering ATi made GPUs with TBR before i doubt it sucks.
Especially considering it competes with full GP102 where it works.

>>61554486
>consumes more powah then my 980ti did two years ago
What the fuck?

>>61558335
Since when moar ALUs stopped being a valid way for moar performance?
Moar ALUs = moar power.

>>61558332
>Le competes with full GPU 102 maymay
Yeah the frontier edition did, which had a completely different design. This is not the frontier edition, it performs better in gaming and worse at workstation tasks because it's missing all of the frontier edition features
There you go, "full GPU 102" shitposters gotta stop

>>61558380
>which had a completely different design.
Vega10 is Vega10.

>>61554486
Got a theory
People claim the top two vegas are overclocked versions of stock

My theory is that they are the same card, not overclocked, but with all the special sauce turned on

>>61558380
fuckign rreeeetard

>>61558308
Tbr has to be properly implemented in both hardware and software. Knowing AMD it'll be half a year before they get the software side down. Also, iirc the best case for that fixed block rendering that CAN did should be similar to tbr's best case. Of course that doesn't mean much since you want the typical case but just saying it could be the change won't be so radical

>>61558400
Go look at the board design and die layout bud

>>61558293
/g/ is just for shitposting and shilling. You can't expect rational arguments here

>>61558423
Post pics of the die friendo

>>61558293
>everyone who doesn't share the same belief system as me that vega is the second coming doesn't understand GPUs

>>61558423
so, you saw rx vega's board design. show us.

>>61558423
>PCB design
How is this even relevant?
>die layout
Show me the die shots nigger.

>>61558443
Убeйcя, ccaнaя мeлкoбyквa.

>>61558441
No, I'm phoneposting

>>61558469
then kindly fuck off.

>>61558481
No

Why people say that Vega is slower while it has the same score as MSI GTX1080 in the picture? Good price + freesync and it can be great deal.

>>61558444
Board has the same ID as the FE one, HardOCP confirmed it.
Die is obviously the same.

The one you're talking to is a retard

>>61558516
Because it's a bad result for a card that trades blows with FULL GP102 in workstation tasks.
It just doesn't make any sense.

>>61558520
I know, that's why I'm pushing him.

It's using the polaris cooler, this thing will be ultra fucking cheap, maybe even under $400

>>61558524
But RX Vega is different to Vega hardware wise, no?

>>61558540
No, it is the same die.

>>61558540
No, both are Vega10.
That's why Vega FE's gaymen perf makes no sense.
Though RTG marketing "leaking" RX Vega results makes even less sense.

>>61558520
>it's the saaaaaaameeee
So AMD charged 1000 bucks for the exact same card but without drivers?
Man what a bunch of fucking Jews, never buying from them again

>>61558531
Inb4 stock RX is throttling at 1300mhz


Then these results would actually be good.

>>61558555
>>61558554
I mean it supposed to have less ram and less coars and shit. They have to cut something in order to make it cheap compared to FE.

>>61558598
No, top crop RX Vega is still 4k ALUs.
But there's 3584 version.
No, the gaymen perf still doesn't make ANY sense.
At all.

>>61558598
>I mean it supposed to have less ram
irrelevant, 8 gb or 16 don't make any difference.
>less coars and shit
it is the same fucking die.

>>61558615
Hmm. But how do we know its RX Vega not just regular Vega Fe? We've seen these results already then.
>>61558620
>it is the same fucking die.
Cutting ram in half alone wont make it cost near 500$. Why would anyone buy FE then?

>>61558650
>Why would anyone buy FE then?
to brag about it.

>>61558650
Because FE isn't for gayming and people appreciate its pro perf and fp16 capability

>>61558650
>Why would anyone buy FE then?
Early adopters.
People than wan't 2xFP16 (this might be disabled or RX).

>>61558650
For driver support, which is basically how their pro brand works

>>61558691
>paying 1000 dollars for support
Man AMD are a bunch of Jews

>>61558702
Boy you won't believe how much wil Vega SSG cost.

>Just a little tease here as to what is coming this week. RX Vega FreeSync vs. GTX 1080 Ti G-Sync Blind Gaming test video being edited now. All done at my house, with gamers with a couple hundred years of twitch gaming experience. All system UEFI and OS set up by me personally.
>(c) Kyle Bennet
So 1080Ti performance confirmed now?

>>61558728
It's Kyle.
He will make Vega perform like shit even if it's the second coming of R300.

>>61558702
Isn't it just the same to differentiate GeForce and Quadro?
>>61558673
https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/amd-vega-hardware-reviews.60246/page-20
>Why would Unreal Engine to postpone use of FP16 when competitors like Id are embracing FP16 in their next gen engines.
>To downplay Vega's 2*FP16 throughput advantage over Pascal cards.
Does disabling 2xFP16 do some good?

What if MAD drops the bomb and this is priced at $350?

>>61558728
>they compare it against a 1080ti
No it's not 1080ti pert they are comparing it against a ti to make it look bad

>>61558728
If they have to rely on Freesync to hide Vega's performance Vega is done for.

>>61558767
+ t-shirt

>>61558758
No, but since no engine currently actively uses half precision floats - they might disable it.
Also yea fuck Tim Sweeney.

>>61558767
Then I hope AMD has more than 3 wafers dedicated to RX

>>61558758
Quadros aren't the same at all though

>>61558728
No, he said that he's going to compare it against 1080Ti because he wants to.

>>61558779
But its not vs regular monitor but vs G-Sync.

>>61558779
"Hiding performance" works both ways.

Why the fuck did they give Vega to fucking Kyle of all motherfucking cunts in the world?

>>61558805
Why would they hide the performance of their competitors GPU?

>>61558826
They probably gave it to everyone, not just him. I expect shitload of reviews and lots of praising of v-sync and low price compared to 1080/Ti and g-sync.

>>61558826
They already took it back from him.

>>61558826
>implying it's not planned to heat up interest

which it does, the only question is price

>>61558849
Because free sync is free and for g-sync you need to pay.

>>61558850
Then why the hell the rest are staying silent when Kyle McCunt is preparing clickbait articles right fucking now.

>>61558885
Ive no clue. Dont overthink things. Only 6 days left.

Also today's AMD's Q2 earnings report!
Prepare to buy the dip boys.
>>61558874
The only thing it heats up is forum shitflinging.

>>61558874
>be AMD
>know kyle is anti AMD
>veg has bad performance
>when kyle shows vega performs badly everyone can just blame Kyle and say it's Jewish tactics for nvidia
4d chess

>>61558877
That means their new GPU is confirmed an embarrassment and the only thing they have going for them is Freesync.

>>61558925
>Also today's AMD's Q2 earnings report!
really? Wonder how much ryzen and miners made them. first time in black?

>>61558972
Just like the the only thing they have going for Evergreen family was Eyefinity...
...right?

Ill explain how its gonna be. Remember Polaris launch? They compared two RX 480 to single GTX 1080. They were on par in ashes.
>two cards on par with flagman and cheaper cost in summary
Now its going to be
>RX VEGA + Free-sync -> gtx 1080Ti while delivering better experience thanks to Free-sync while being cheaper (100$ tops).
Here you go. You can stop speculating now. Literally same shit as with Polaris but with Free-sync instead of second card compared to flagman giving same experience for cheaper price.

>>61558999
Trips wasted on shitposting
Nice job retard

>>61559033
GPU threads are pure shitposting anyway.

>>61559033
Sorry for spoilering the event to you. Dont be mad.

>>61559033
REEEEEEEE ANYTHING THAT DOESNT SAY VEGA IS 3 TITAN Xs IS A SHITPOSTER

>>61559048
Don't tell me what to do.

>>61557028

oh god please no my RX 480 reference cooler is loud as fuck

>a fucking aluminum bottlecap heatsink confirmed

>>61558999
devil pls
it's not that weak and has 3 tiers of products to do petty tricks
just think about it 3 tiers, it should tell you something

>>61558999
You know 1080ti is only 30% faster than a 1080?

>>61559092
>only
30% if quite a lot

>>61559092
Whats your point? You expect top tier RX Vega to be faster?

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>>61559092
>only 30%
>only

>>61558408
My theory is that they are all the same card but with different voltage / power gating, which allows it to throttle less and gain higher and more consistent performance.

>>61559117
No, but you're saying two RX would be better for less, like in polaris.

Two vega would neuter a Ti if they're priced that low, just like two 1080 would.

>>61558758
>https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/amd-vega-hardware-reviews.60246/page-20
>still slower than 1080
>Sure, if you use such outdated methodology as "benchmarking", which, quote frankly, the industry has moved on from. In this modern era, the reviews are performed by observing a system partially entombed in concrete from a distance of no less than 3 meters, in a dark room lit by an oversized lava lamp, and then writing about your feelings from the perspective of a junior officer in the Spanish Civil War.

ahahahaha

>>61554486
I seriously don't fucking understand this, at all. So not only are the new Vega chips going to be MORE expensive to manufacture, but the demand is inevitably going to be low as fuck compared to the older and more well-optimized Pascal cards and the power draw is going to be crazy high too. Not only that, but somehow these things are performing marginally better than the current Fury X anyway.

What the hell is going on at Radeon Graphics?

>>61559219
Nonono. I mean before it were 2X RX480. Now its RX VEGA+Freesync.

>>61559238
The power usage is same as the Fury, manufacturing is somewhat simpler than the Fury (only 2 HBM stacks, so yields should be better), and performance is 1.3x to 1.6x better, depending on how stable the card is running on the turbo clock. They have some leeway there with voltage optimizations and such - Vega FE, undervolted, will not hit the thermal gap that often and actual perform better than on stock voltage.

Thing is, they are releasing it in the middle of a huge cryptomining boom. If the card is priced properly, miners will buy them all up. So even if the card is shit for gaming, they'll sell their entire stock of it, raking up profits.

>>61559230
AYYY LMAO

If it's dirt cheap nobody will care about the power draw.

>>61559092
>only 30% faster
>only
average amdrone

>>61559489
Yes, only. It's a difference of 60 and 78 fps.

Literally nothing in context.

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>wait for vega meme since may with my entire build because I thought it would be direct competitor to novideo with better bang for buck
>1080ti went up 100 eurodollars in the meantime
>ram went up 30 eurodollars
>dont even have freesync monitor would've bought a monitor alongside the PC

I fucked myself over hardcore
My only hope is that ayy m ecks dee will slash the prices somehow.

Fucking Pajeets, shouldve just jumped the gun.

>>61559260
You know freesync doesn't GIVE performance right?

>>61559515
No its not

>>61559570
No one expected retarded mining boom.

>>61559598
Yeah, so? It will be smoother vs 1080Ti if they have identical performance.

>>61559658
They don't have identical performance at all
Vega is 7000 points behind the 1080ti

>>61559638
Doesn't the mining get harder more time goes on?
Can't these retarded niggers just fuck off already, they're barely paying off their electricity bill with this shit.

>>61559598
ayyymd will spin it as better """""value"""" compared to gsync for """"ïmmersive and smooth experience"""" although I don't give a shit about memesync

>>61558308
The TBR and culling probably has to be done on a per-game basis with the drivers.

>>61559694
I give a shit when Freesync monitors are the same price or cheaper than comparable non-sync monitors.

>>61560027
Probably per-engine basis.

From HardOCP

>Just a little tease here as to what is coming this week. RX Vega FreeSync vs. GTX 1080 Ti G-Sync Blind Gaming test video being edited now. All done at my house, with gamers with a couple hundred years of twitch gaming experience. All system UEFI and OS set up by me personally. […] AMD wanted me to use a 1080. […]

>>61560195
>AMD gave RX Vega to (((Kyle))) of all people
Why tho.

>>61554486
>3 GPUs
>All performing roughly the same
Yeah I'm calling bullshit.

>>61560741
The highest end one isn't that different, it's just water cooled. Also it's reminiscent of the 390 and 390X, both weren't too far apart so both were sandwiched in between the 970 and 980.

>>61560813
I'm hoping drivers and non reference cards will push it between the 1080 and 1080ti. Want to be able to push 4K/60 or at least 1440p/60. Here's hoping I get one before cryptoniggers ruin it.

>>61560902
Vega is bad at ETH but extremely good at other shitcoins.
So you'll have to beat a miner to death to get one.

>>61560931
Fug. Why don't they just release a special Miner™ line of cards? They'd make fucking bank on that shit.

>>61560958
AiBs do.
Sapphire released mining Polaris cards.

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hello noob nvidia

+7% from earnings

https://twitter.com/CatalystMaker/status/889946633575780352
Well hello there.

>>61560958
Some manufacturers are making dedicated mining cards, but I'll doubt they'll sell since they have 0 resale value

>>61561017
Nvidia is more than 8 times that though

>>61561109
R u dumb?

>>61561113
Nvidia stock-167
AMD stock-14

>Su: we're already heavily investing in 7nm, "key" for CPU and GPU markets. Multiple foundries, multiple teams.
MOMMY!

>>61561045
why are they really fucking with us this hard? was this really sandbagging?
fucking quadro test, it fucked everything up.

>>61561142
The less leather jacket man knows about your chip, the better.
Go read Anand's article about Evergreen and how Eyefinity was made.

>Su: Vega will be shipping into gaming, pro workstations, and GPU compute in Q3.
>If you were listening, you can probably hear a bit of hesitation, they don't want anything more than necessary to slip loose

>>61561170
>The person who sat on the other side of Carrell’s cube wall left to work for NVIDIA a couple months into the SunSpot project. In all, ATI had three people leave and work for NVIDIA while SunSpot was going on.
fucking traitors.

>Su in response to Wong's followup about timing of Ryzen APUs: Ryzen mobile will be around for the holiday period.
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSs.
Now Dell, give me a good XPS13 with RR.

>>61560210
Better the devil you know.

>>61561300
Best news all day.

>Su: we could've made a monolithic die, but responded strategically to build a modular approach because it gives us so much flexibility. Flexibility really appreciated. Feeling good about Epyc's positioning given strong customer feedback.
Hail Ebinity Glue :---------DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

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>>61561482
Ebyn :-------DDDDDDDDDD

>>61561482
>>61561300
>>61561289
>>61561277
Are people actually watching this shit?
I didn't think anyone watched AMD videos

>>61561554
>videos
It's a text livestream.

>>61561554
it didn't even begin.

>>61561565
>text
voice

>finally worth a damn again in the CPU business thanks to Ryzen
>TIME TO SUCK AT VIDEO CARDS NOW

>>61561600
GPUs are fucking irrelevant right now.

>>61561621
>Every GPU is sold out due to mining
>more and more applications are GPU accelerated
>"irrelevant"

>>61561654
Fucking irrelevant.
>more and more applications are GPU accelerated
The same mantras since 2007.
GPGPU is a meme.
It's all about Xeon vs EPYC and Core iNm versus Ryzen Mobile.

>>61561621
GPUs aren't irrelevant but GPU add-in-boards specifically for muh vidya are starting to shrink. Gaymurs still like to pretend they're the center of the universe.

>Su: Vega will be shipping into gaming, pro workstations, and GPU compute in Q3.
>If you were listening, you can probably hear a bit of hesitation, they don't want anything more than necessary to slip loose.
amd is still at it.

>>61555832

Not by a long shot.

It will perform just above 1080 but far short of 1080Ti as expected by non-fanboys.

/v/tards are still living in complete denial. The days of rapid performance jumps between GPU generations has been over since GCN and Kepler.

Volta is going to be another minor bump in terms of gaming performance.

Physics has caught up. It is no longer easy to double the transistor budget and/or crank up the MEGAHURTZs for GPUs. Nvidia and AMD have already went through most of the efficiency tricks.

>>61561815
You can always build MCM GPU.

>>61561838
>always
let's see what Koduri will do with Navi.

>Lisa sandbagging Q2 results

I fucking love this woman, AMD is up 15.6$ in AH

>>61561871
AMD should trademark the term.

>>61561869
They need to engineer a custom, very wide coherent links for that.
That would be fun.
Also, chiplets.
Heterogenous compute is becoming less of a meme.

>>61554486
Those are basically identical to Vega FE scores, which means that all of Vega's uarch features remain un-implemented in drivers (or disabled in silicon, for the skeptics).'

Tile Based Rasterization, Primitive Shaders, Advanced Clock Gating, Automatic Voltage and Frequency Scaling, High Bandwidth Cache Controller are all supposed to be Vega uarch features.

Until we see some evidence as to whether and how well all of these will be implemented in RX Vega's launch drivers we won't have any idea how much performance should increase (if at all) over Vega FE's gaming results.

>>61561871
>AMD is up 15.6$ in AH
WHERE IS MY DIP
GOLDMAN JEWS DO SOMETHING
PLEASE

>>61561898
>They need to engineer a custom, very wide coherent links for that
that's infinity fabric.

>>61561838

It doesn't solve the power and efficiency issues (which get worse with MCM). The only advantage that MCM has is better yields (easier to fab a bunch of tiny dies versus a single massive monolith die).

Don't expect miracles.

>>61561911
>>61561045
It's probably tomorrow.
>>61561920
MCM allows you to throw fuckton of shaders and clock them low, and since moar shaders > higher clocks...
... you know you can get silly high performance gains for a few gens at least.

>>61561920
well, 4 glued and underclocked rx 480s would pull around 350 watts. it is fine if it scales perfectly.

>>61561725

Yep, the discrete GPU market is shrinking and going the way of discrete audio card solutions.

The low-end was completely eaten away by SoC solutions from Intel and AMD. The high-end GPU market is moving towards prosumers and professionals (higher margins).

R&D costs continue to escalate. Hardcore gaming market doesn't have the capital to justify the cost of developing a dedicated performance GPU.

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>>61561621
>>61561725
>>61561974

>>61561913
That shill faggot from Barclay's didn't do shit. Better luck next time.

>>61561951
It won't scale perfectly. That's just common sense, but you can have a look at NVIDIA's paper where they actually used their GPU simulator to test designs for a hypothetical huge monolithic GPU and for an MCM approach too.

>>61555415
>you will never buy one of these to play doom 3 again

why even live lads

>>61561995
ARGHHHHHHHHHH IT'S 15.67 RIGHT NOW I WANT THE DIP.

>>61562004
the scalability for epyc was 3.96. that's close to perfect.
it can be done in gpus better I think.

>>61561911
We've been seeing the same performance for over 6 months of leaks and official AMD demos. AMD themselves used a GTX 1080 in their Vega tour as well and tried to make a point about the AMD system having better value. It's time to stop dreaming about magic drivers.

>>61562035
GPUs need MORE, like MUCH MORE bandwith and lower latency for coherent links.

>>61562035
GPUs need way more bandwidth, it's not the same. NVIDIA's results are also based on actual simulation, not random speculation.

>>61562015
>11% in couple of minutes
what did she say?
>>61562047
then why is there something called infinity fabric? is it not enough?

>>61562077
It scales up to 512GB/s, and i don't know if it's enough for GPU.
No one really knows, besides maybe RTG.

>>61562098
Koduri says it is ok.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6bklro/we_are_radeon_technologies_group_at_amd_and_were/dhqo06p/

>>61562106
>We haven't mentioned any multi GPU designs on a single ASIC like Epyc, but the capability is possible with Infinity Fabric.

>>61562106
Oh...
...then i guess fun times are coming even to the GPU market.

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>>61561951
>would pull around around 350 watts
Yeah from the PCI slot

>>61562043
This is not a normal scenario with respect to drivers here. Literally every single new uarch feature is provably disabled in Vega FE's gaming drivers.

FFS Gamers Nexus got a ¬7% performance improvement just from undervolting Vega FE to 1.09v where it used ¬280 watts.

Listen, I'm not saying RX Vega is going to be massively faster, I'm saying that IF it isn't significantly faster than Vega FE in games it means that they have failed to implement ANY of Vega's new uarch features in drivers by launch, which would be a total joke. I don't think it can be believably asserted that the problem is in silicon given how Vega FE appears to perform in geometry bound pro workloads, so IF RX Vega does no better than FE at launch in games, then it means a titanic driver team failure.

>>61562146
vega fe pulls 25 watts from pcie. go shitpost somewhere else

>>61562158
https://twitter.com/CatalystMaker/status/889946633575780352
Something is coming.

>>61554769
>Waiting 6 months for a card barely faster than 1070 when nVidia has 1170 just around the corner.
This has to come in at $349msrp max or it's DOA.

Wait for Navi.

so a reference RX Vega is 13-20% faster than an overclocked, aftermarket GTX 1070 despite having a 10% lower core clock? wattage is still shit.

>>61562184
>nVidia has 1170 just around the corner.
2018 q2 is a long way than just around the corner.

>>61562163
Sauce

>>61562184
>a year from now
>"just around the corner"

>>61562180
>Now bear witness to this armed and fully operational battlestation

>>61562219
gamersnexus and pcper.
>>61562205
radeon clock is not the samething with nvidia clock.

>>61562163
Wasn't aware 480 was vega

Fucking tard

>>61562180
Yeah, but why tomorrow though? If RTG is sandbagging, why stop 5 days before siggraph? And if RTG's driver team is deathmarching the gaming drivers, why stop tomorrow instead of at Siggraph?

>>61562229
>>61562214
>nvidia waiting 2 years to release a new product
just no.

nV is ready now, they're just waiting for AMD to finally release so they can do a big twofer again like Kepler.

>>61562254
>And if RTG's driver team is deathmarching the gaming drivers, why stop tomorrow instead of at Siggraph?
Because fanboys are going sorta kind crazy.
Also that sudden "leak" of RX Vega "results" in firestrike from RTG marketer is beyond fishy.

>>61562248
yeah, because amd doesn't learn from its mistakes.
goddamn idiots.
>>61562255
nvidia already gave this date to launch.

>>61561986

The designs speak for themselves

So called performance gaming GPUs from both camps are really just prosumer/enterprise tier rejects.

Nvidia has been going prosumer/enterprise first with every new generation since Kepler. AMD started to do the same with Vega.

>>61562255
First GV100 silicon literally shipped yesterday, consumer volta is off by at least 5 months.

>>61562316
With Polaris, actually.
All the good bins are going for embedded.

>>61562158
>it means that they have failed to implement ANY of Vega's new uarch features in drivers by launch
Then that's the case. There's no way AMD is sitting on some secret driver that we haven't seen even a hint of in official demos or in leaks this late in the game. The official demos seal the deal, if they had some secret sauce which gave them a solid 20-30% more perf than what we've been seeing for months they would definitely be using it and they'd target a 1080Ti as their competitor, not a regular 1080.

>>61562327
>consumer Volta
Is basically fatter Pascal.
All the changles (L1 being part of unified memory and what else (?)) are related to compute.

>>61562327
It's going to be at least 6 months until consumers get their hands on Vega anyway...
Paper launch first, since RTG is slipping back into old ATi habits, 2 months later we'll see the first parts, but miners will buy them all out for the first few months.

But the time the average consumer can buy Vega, they'll be able to buy a faster nVidia product.
Vega should have launched 6 months ago.

>>61562353
Yes!
Let's show the perf of our card to leather jacket man so he can cut prices before out launch!
It worked so fucking well for every generation before.

>>61562353
I really hope for a sandbagging. creo 3.0 test was something really confusing.

>>61562158
>Driver 'Tiger Team' is actually 'Titanic Team'
jej

>>61562379
Charlie mentioned it's a hard launch, but that might be for other Vega versions.

Kek, AMD earnings blew out market estimates, you can now see how much of a shit AMD gives about GPUs

>>61562466
What was the estimate?

>>61562382
>>61562390
I seriously doubt it, AMD always hype up their products and show them off in controlled conditions which make them look good. I don't really see any evidence of them doing anything different with Vega and the "they're hiding from NVIDIA" reason is very weak since they would be simultaneously deceiving and disappointing potential customers too. NVIDIA can always slash prices immediately after they launch anyway, I don't see why they'd tarnish Vega's reputation before it even comes out just to mess with NVIDIA.

>>61562379
If there's any reason for that it's miners. Reference versions will be available.

>>61562475
0.00 EPS and low double digit revenue growth.

>>61562501
God fucking dammit, you literally want them to make classical ATi mistake of showing everything before launch thus allowing the jacketman to cut prices.
Would you but 1080ti if it was $550-600 MSRP?
Of course you would.
And they want you to buy Vega.

>>61562507
Ohoho.
Haha.
HA.
That's skeptic as fuck.

>>61562507
Guidance and EPS changed everything, both were solid beats.

Especially guidance, that was a missile literally at Intel.

>>61562507
When was the last time AMD EPS wasn't negative? 4 years ago?
Next quarter they're promising another mid 20s revenue growth.

>>61562513
>Would you but 1080ti if it was $550-600 MSRP?
I wouldn't because I already have 1080 SLI which I bought last year, but I see the point you're trying to make.

But what's stopping NVIDIA from immediately slashing prices once RX Vega actually hits the market? What would AMD get? Misinformed customers who aren't excited for Vega because it was intentionally made to look weak and like a day of killer value sales before NVIDIA adjusts accordingly? It makes no sense. How would they gain anything in the long term?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-d0IcYHcytM


Ultimate keks

>>61562562
>But what's stopping NVIDIA from immediately slashing prices once RX Vega actually hits the market?
They will, but it would be too late. People that only thought about nVidia would think about buying Radeon.
Also that was the way they launched R300.
The first living 9700 board appeared when VIA demoed AGP8x, lmao.

>>61562584
Can't win against Momma Su.

>>61562584
Holy kek.

>>61562604
>They will, but it would be too late
NVIDIA could hypothetically be ready to slash prices immediately as reviews hit, how would it be too late? They could lower Pascal prices before any significant number of people have a chance to buy Vega.

I bet Goldman Kikes and Barcleys feel really stupid right about now.

>>61562645
It would still be too late.
People would consider Radeon.
>>61562649
Goldans kikes? No, they bought FUCKTON of $AMD.
Barcleys are on suicide watch.

>>61562645
Then you got a price war.
And nobody wants a price war with AMD, because they'll lose.

>>61562504
>Reference versions will be available.
No they won't...
Are you under some assumption that minders don't like reference cards?

>>61562667
Except nVidia in this case, AMD has nothing to beat the 1080ti so the big low-yield die(GP102) doesn't need a pricecut, only the high yield, way overpriced dies like GP104 and GP106.

nVidia can afford to undercut AMD here as they've already had a solid year of sales on GP104, they can literally cut back to almost cost, which would leave AMD in a position that they'd have to do the same, but nVidia already recouped their R&D, RTG hasn't.

>>61562764
Unfortunately Vega10 is GP102 competitor.
And you know, you really-really don't want a price war against AMD right AFTER you posted some record-breaking quarters due to high-margin Pascal products.
Really.

>>61562764
They'll lose because AMD has proven in worse financial situations than now that it can sell with razor thin margins, but now it actuall, has CPU revenue.
Nvidia can't lower prices too much because GPUs are their only business, and you don't piss off your investors that have been very nice to you for the last year by going into a price war with a margin troll like AMD

>>61562825
Gaming GPUs are far from NVIDIA's only business.

>>61562862
It's >60% of their revenue.
And AMD launches their Pro lineup exactly on SIGGRAPH.
Welcome back to the wonderful world of competition!

>>61562862
but it is the most profitable one.

>>61562862
It's a large majority of their revenue, datacenter and to a lesser extent professional visualiization sales are seasonal.

>>61562825
Nvidia has fuck you money, they have no problem slashing the prices. GTX 1070 and 1080 outsell 1060 and 1050, just think how much fucking money they have already made.

>>61562895
No, Intel has fuck you money.
nVidia has peanuts.
Guess who will be AMD's main piniata for the next ~4 years at least.

>>61562895
>Nvidia has fuck you money, they have no problem slashing the prices
tell this to your investors and see the backlash.

>>61562895
How about taking a look st Intel?

No, it's not as simple as "lol just slash thr prices bro" it does not work like that for a 100BN USD private run company

What was Nvidias revenue in Q1?