IT'S NOT FAIR. INTEL WILL BEAT RYZEN NEXT YEAR, AND RYZEN

Just wait 2019

>>61506670
Holy shit Brian shareholders are not going to pay you for shitposting.
Prepare the lube.
t. Paul Otellini

>>61506670
with what?

Intel is just now ramping up hiring for engineers to design their next-gen x86 architecture. Expect nothing substantial from them before 2020/2021 except 10 nm and more Skylake/Kaby Lake tier "enhancements".

>>61506670
Because (((Intel))) has had the technology to beat whatever AMD comes up with for years.

They just don't release their best technology unless they are forced to, because they can make far more money selling shittier versions that are much cheaper to make.

>>61506808
Oh yeah they have super sikrit ebin tech of hyberbibelines to magically beat AMD (no).

>>61506808
Is that why they released that I9 mess

>>61506670
>shilling for either Intel or AMD
Let both companies beat the shit out of each other. Gives us better processors in the long run.

>>61506834
As of not Intel gives us better housefires.

>>61506842
That's the beauty of it though. AMD will provide reasonable processors at a reasonable price, people will see that Intel processors are overpriced and heat like crazy. It will either cause the market to shift towards AMD or Intel will actually have to revamp how they make their processors. It's a good scenario.

>>61506816
>consumer i5 and i7 have been 4 cores for years
>ryzen comes out and sells 6 cores for 200 bucks
>suddenly the next i5 is also going to have 6 cores
really makes you think.

>>61506915
>6/6 with shit clocks
Wow Intel resurrected Thuban!
Long live Israel.

>>61506915
>next i5s to have 6 cores
Source. This is Intel we are talking about.

>>61506808
>Source: My dad works at Nintendo

>>61506937
http://wccftech.com/intel-6-core-coffee-lake-i7-8700k-i5-8600k/

>>61506670
>needing more than 4 cores
>Nvidia and AMD both memed basement retards that they actually need 8 cores
>people actually believe they need a very expensive CPU
JUST

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>>61506808
>>61506915
This is not the slam dunk Intel needs to grab back the performance crown. It's barely more powerful than a 1600X (maybe 10-15% realistically) and costs $100 more. Compare it to a 1700 or 1700X and it looks like hot garbage. They should've stuck to MUH CLOCKS 4 cores.

>>61507063
>these clocks
Why does it even exist.

>>61507104
Intel can't into MOAR CORES. I don't know why they even tried. Just release another quad core, you know everyone will buy it anyway because muh vidya. Oh well, whatever, Intel shooting themselves in the foot for the 10th time this year shouldn't even be a surprise anymore.

>>61506726
>nothing substantial
Nice try CIA

>>61506937
probably with 20 pcielanes
1mb l3 cache and 512kb l2 cache
also with hardware key to enable more than one core

>>61506808
Utter horse shit. Intel might be happy to drip feed desktop users, but they wouldn't risk their server dominance by playing games. The new Xeon lineup is an absolute disaster when compared to Epyc and is going to lose them a lot of market share in that sector. If they had a means to prevent that, it'd be getting rushed out the door right now.

>>61507063
>Faster than the 1600X and 1700X
>barely more powerful

Nice try AMD shill, what you mean is that you can't afford a 8700k so you pretend that your purchase is "good enough"

>>61508435
But it's not faster than a 1700X. And the single core advantage is pretty much gone compared to a 7700K.

>>61508502
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsDjx-tW_WQ

When you remove the GPU bottleneck, you begin to see just how terrible the core performance of Ryzen really is. 130fps less in Snipe Elite, for example. Zen is Bulldozer 2.0 even to the point where AMD fanboys will ignore tests that remove the bottleneck until suddenly they realize their brand new CPU can't keep up a year later, just like what happened with Bulldozer.

>>61508611
lol okay kiddo

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>>61506670

>>61506670
>being a fanboy of either
>not just picking the best price/performance ratio in the performance range you're looking for

>>61506808
You believe a lot of bullshit you read, don't you?

>>61508614
>no argument

Really makes you think

>>61508611
How many times are you going to spam this shit? Jesus fucking christ. i7-7700K wasn't even being directly compared here. It's the 8700K we're talking about. Fuck off already.

>>61508653
Because only faggots play games.

>>61508656
Why don't you post your 10x10 of blurry screenshots from Minkblank Tech's benchmarks which further illustrates my point?

>>61508656
It's pretty funny this guy is posting this shit in every fucking thread when the upcoming i7-8700K will have the exact same problem as Ryzen at these low resolutions and settings, but you won't hear a fucking word out of him about that.

>>61508691
>He bought a $500 CPU so he could do nothing but shill for AMD on an anonymous image board for free

Great purchase my friend. #TeamRed

>>61508702
Fuck off, you've already been laughed at in every other discussion of MUH 720p and nobody is going to play around with you again this time.

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>>61506670
shilling hard schlomo or hardly shilling?

Maybe in some alternate timeline where GPUs advance faster than resolution and texture requirements 640x480 gaming benchmarks might become important.

Just wait.

>>61508722
>he can't even imagine CPUs being for things other than gaming and basic web browsing

>>61508730
Just like all of the benchmarks that showed Bulldozer's shitty performance early on. Yet everyone on /g/ was shilling it to the moon. Look to the past to see your future, fanboy.

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>>61506670
Designated shitposting thread.

>>61508722
But i got my 1600 for $219.
>>61508760
>b-but Bulldozer
Shall i pull my
>m-muh shitburst
card out?

>>61508760
You already did this exact same song and dance. Nobody cares. Fuck off.

>>61508758
It's not that they can, it's that nobody on /g/ does, which makes the whole situation very strange.

Brian please go find some excuse for your shareholders instead of shitposting about running 1x1 gaming benchmarks

>>61508775
>couldn't refute it there
>can't refute it here
>throws a tantrum instead

There there, anon. It's okay, you don't have to posture and pretend that you can defend your shitty purchase.

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>>61508611
>March 2nd

>>61508799
>hurr durr I shit up more threads than you therefore I won

Kill yourself.

God damn it, people are still running anemic resolutions like 1080p on a 1080ti to put as much as a realistic CPU bottleneck as possible and you're still not satisfied?

What will happen if people actually ran tests with a 1070 or 1440p and 4k? Would you start foaming on the floor?

>>61508741
THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN BECAUSE THEY ALL WANT TO JEW US OUT OF OUR MONEYS!!!

>>61508611
720p benchmark on an era that we are breaking the 8k barrier...

>800x600benchmarks.jpg

>>61506915
>>61506998
>suddenly the die shrunk processors with the same architecture basis as the 4930k are i5 and i7s
Intel is shit l00l

>>61508895
There's no reason to even consider Intel at these resolutions, at least the 4 core chips
7700k's advantage basically vanishes and yet is still retains shitty performance outside of gaming due to low core count

>>61508926
Wrong... nobody tests browser opening performance, app opening performance, responsiverness in app, all run from single core, 7700k is over 30% faster than the most expensive Ryzen there

>>61506808
Intel sacrificed the Xeon line at the alter of AVX, since they were more paranoid about losing market share to Nvidia GPUs doing fp work than AMD chips doing normal int work.

Hence shoehorning AVX2 then AVX512 into every fucking web/file/database server chip, where a lot of compromises need to be made on power in order to keep the pipelines fed.

They're straight fucked for the next 2-3 years, since they never guessed AMD could make a chip that could compete on 80%+ of their actual market, and Skylake-E is starting to look Bulldozer tier in a lot of ways.

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>>61508967
>over 30% faster
>every single thing listed is either memory or I/O bound
>even pure compute workloads aren't 30% faster

Keep drinking the kool-aid, bro. Even Intel is giving up on that shit. i7-8700K will have MORE CORES AND LESS CLOCKSPEED.

>>61508967
>get the cheapest, shittiest SSD that exists
>everything opens instantly

You can stop dreaming now.

I thought no shill threads allowed

>>61508985
AVX is garbage, I don't know why Intel keeps pushing that shit. Management must be calling the shots.

Actually thinking of vying Ryzen 1600X for ~290. Will it be enough to give GTX 1060 6GB its full potential. Is the CPU overclockable

>>61508985
It's quite literally a Bulldozer with fucking
>MOAR L2
>>61509005
Because the jew is afraid of GPGPU meme going at least anywhere.

>>61509026
Want 6 cores ? regular 1600 and overclock
Want 8 cores ? regular 1700 and overclock

X models are for those who don't want to overclock.

>>61509030
>Because the jew is afraid of GPGPU meme going at least anywhere.
They can't stop it if it does.

>>61509005
It's just fear and general lack of vision moving forward in a shrinking chip market.

It's not like Nvidia is all that calm either. Deep Learning is shit easy for other shops like Google, Fujitsu, etc. to enter, all their mobile efforts have utterly failed, and their great hope is fucking self driving cars.

>>61509044
Heterogeneous compute meme is even more dangerous if AMD ever really pulls it off.

>>61508849
>still can't refute

I win because I didn't make a shitty purchase like those who purchased Bulldozer.

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NOOOOO B-BASED RYZEN HAS MORE C-CORES

>>61509043
Alright thanks. What about X Motherboard series. Is X the same as Z, do they allow overclock

>>61508911
>I don't know what a bottleneck is

/g/ - uneducated

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R-RYZEN!!

R-RYZEN!!

R-RYZEN!!

>>61509074
I didn't purchase Zen or Bulldozer, what now faggot?

Can't wait for the 5GHz Ryzen 2 that I can just drop into my AM4 motherboard because AMD aren't complete Jews who change the socket after every sidegrade generation

>>61509082
No, you can OC on any B350/X370 board.

>>61509082
B350 and X370 overclock.

For overclocking 6 cores you can go with a B350 and do a decent 8 core overclock.
For higher overclocking (4.0-4.1GHz) 8 cores I'd recommend a decent X370 board

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>>61509101
>5GHZ Ryzen

nt pajeet, ryzen is too shit for that

>>61509122
You're trying a bit too hard for these (You)s.

>>61506670
>>61508643
>>61508739
>>61508771
>>61509080
>>61509096
Crying wojak shitposters should be banned, I don't care which side they're on.

>>61509098
Sounds like you're winning to me, brother.

>>61509071
It's gonna be habbening soon.

One of the big surprises for Vega will be that it can do direct IF over a PCIe slot with Ryzen/TR/Epyc, since it will have serial interface PHY muxing the same as Zeppelin.

That means software stacks that work on Raven Ridge APUs, discrete CPU+GPU combos, and the eventual hybrid enterprise MCM APUs.

>>61509122
Please wait. Nazi gas chambers are currently in construction.

>>61509153
They are nearly finished, GloFo is getting 2 of the 4 EUV litho machines this year.

>>61509176
ASML must be rolling in dough

>>61509151
>One of the big surprises for Vega
Would be pajeet pulling annuda R300.
>One of the big surprises for Vega will be that it can do direct IF over a PCIe slot with Ryzen/TR/Epyc, since it will have serial interface PHY muxing the same as Zeppelin.
Pajeet already confired Vega is "their first IF GPU".
We'll see how it works.

>>61509089
Does it even matter if Intel has 100 FPS in shitty resolution if it's just 10 in regular scenarios? In addition Ryzens have cores to take care of other tasks and they don't have as many drops as Intel.

>>61509222
You're wasting your time, this guy has been shitting up threads with this crap for a week now.

>>61509201
Vega will be good, but R300 Reborn will be the first truly modular GPU, and that's not until Navi at the absolute earliest.

The most we can hope from multi-Vega is high bandwidth HBM pooling, not shaders running across separate ASICs.

>>61509222
Don't reply, if you remember 2 months ago he was literally spazzing out because someone tested a Ryzen with a GTX970(arguably the most popular GPU after 8800gt)

>>61509262
>>61509280
Then he's pretty potent if he can maintain 3-4 AYYMD BTFO threads at once.

>>61509312
Can't be helped.
At least he gets banned from time to time.

>>61506670
but bulldozer was good

>>61509263
>Vega will be good
I don't even know.
They gave us no info about uarch itself besides that January teaser that had only some high-level details.

>>61509331
AMD shows enough signs of sandbagging with Vega (despite very real development and production delays) that I'm not concerned with it being a flop.

>>61509388
It's only 2 month late, that's nothing compared to nv30/R520/R600/Thermi or Maxwell2.

>>61509388
Eh, personally I don't really care about GPUs, it would be better for everyone if it was good, but I have little interest in them myself.
CPUs are far more interesting.

>>61506670
>RYZEN WILL BECOME THE NEXT BULLDOZER
Bulldozer was literally complete dog shit from day one and there was never a reason to purchase it.

The Zen arch is incomparable to Bulldozer in how much fucking better it is.

>>61509139
Who the fuck is Bojak? That guy is from Krautchan you know? What a fucking redditor you are.

You guys don't understand! I got a 1080ti and a 4k monitor, I'm very interested in 800x600 performance, you should too.

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FUCK AMD
FUCK RYZEN
FUCK LISA SU
FUCK JIM KELLER
FUCK INFINITY FABRIC

>>61509594
You forgot Mike Clark but whatever.
YES FUCK AMD.
FUCKING ANTISEMITES.
WE'LL COUNTER THEM WITH MORE DIVERSITY.

>>61506808
Yes Kaby Lake/Skylake X/Skylake Xeon was all part of the plan. Just Wait™ amdrones, you'll see

Supporting intel will get us the equivalent of luxottica in the cpu market

Crying intelfags are priceless. I can't wait for the wave of crying nvidiafags when vega gets released.

>>61509604
Mike Clark is obviously a very talented and sufficiently enabled/empowered engineer, but he just lacks the complete Shitwrecking(tm) resume and physique.

Fucker needs to get jacked to ascend the meme pyramid.

>>61507011
>people actually believe they need a very expensive CPU

Since when is less than 300 dollarydoos for an 8c/16t CPU expensive?

>>61512239
8 cores? What do you need 6 cores for? 4 cores are all you need! Help! This man is trying to kill me over 2 cores!

>>61512239
Since March 2nd, 2017.

>>61512239
>he isnt from india

>>61509139
>ban all the kike hate
FUKKEN AGREE
this forum is pure shit with all that nonsense. there was a thread earlier today about someone crying about paying "(((intel)))" for the ethernet chip in their new RYZEN motherboard. give me a fucking break, you know nothing about technology and are just racist cowards. ban the crap.

>>61506808
>muh secret sauce

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All this drama over CPUs. 6 cores, 8 cores. Who gives a shit? No reason to upgrade from Sandy Bridge unless you're a richfag. New monitor would be a much better investment.

>>61514410
Go back from whence you came Brian

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>>61517948
so the overclocked 1200 is almost like a i5 7500
pretty nice

>>61517948
>slower than an old 3000 series mobile CPU

Why is this clocked so slow?

>>61518026
it's the cheapest ryzen and you're comparing it to a real 4 core 8 threads mobile i7

>>61508611
>GPU bottleneck

hello retard

>>61508780
>I'm a neet, therefore, everyone is

>>61509222
Are you retarded, nigger? The CPU doesn't care if you're playing in 720p or 8K, that's none of its business.

CPU benchmarks are done at low resolutions so that the GPU won't bottleneck it.

Fuck you.

>>61518722
And they're about equally as useful as Furmark numbers, even synthetic numbers are more useful.

>>61518722
I'll go with a new approach.

Yes, you're right. (except about how the cpu doesn't influence fps on higher resolutions. You're kinda contradicting yourself here. How do you explain a 7700k preforming worse on 1080p and 1440p then?)

You go play your favorite games on 480p and 720p. I'll stick with my R7 and 1080p.

>>61516166
This. I still run on FX-8370 because it's enough for interactive use and everything else is scripted to run while I'm at work or sleep.

>>61518722
1080p is the most relevant resolution for gayming benchmarks you autistic retard.

>>61518722
>BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE GAME AT 720P, THAT'LL SHOW A VERY REALISTIC PORTRAYAL OF WHAT TO EXPECT FROM A CPU IN 2017.
What do you really need the (((You's))) that bad? AMD shits on Intel's price to performance in every single way except if you play at fucking 720P in 2017. You bought a four core CPU and a Z270 board in 2017 for well over 500$, so now you shill to justify your shitty decision.

>>61509089
>>I don't know what a bottleneck is
lets all test cpu's on scenarios that literally no one cares to showcase that ryzen has a bottleneck on a resolution that literally no one plays while on the rest ryzen is on par or ahead of the 7700k housefire

really makes my neurons to fire up

>>61506670
wait™

>>61506726
/threadripper

>>61508611
Is this supposed to be bad? At worst ryzen is like 15 fps behind and that's in an old, shitty console port. Newer games with decent multi-core optimization like battlefield 1 put 1600 on par with 7700k, and 1700 will be even better. Intel dun goofed so bad.

>>61517948
>>61517970
RIP pentiums, i3's and i5's (which already had one foot in the grave)

>>61519581
It's being posted by malignant cancer.

>>61520079
There is any intel CPU that is not under direct attack?

>>61520184
Ryzen Mobile and APUs aren't out yet. But they will Q1 2018.

>>61520223
Love me a passive cooled raven ridge. Fans in laptops are shit and soon the only mechanical part will be hinges.

>>61520184
Anything gaming related

>>61517948
If they release 4c/4t that can reach 4GHz for $100 then holy shit that'd be great

Quality thread

>>61520255
There's been BLACKED spam up on the front page for 30-60 minutes lately, mods don't give a single fuck.

>>61520243
>m-muh 15 extra FPS at 1080p 144hz w/ 1080ti ..
>j-just use hardware encoding it looks fine ..

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>>61506670
>t.JUSTnich

>>61519299
Thanks for confirming you have no idea how bottlenecks work. /g/ really is uneducated.

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>>61522141
He knows how it works, he's saying the bottleneck doesn't matter, which it doesn't, because nobody actually plays games at those resolutions/refresh rates.

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>>61519574

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>>61517948
Lol

Quarter 1, 2010

TWO THOUSAND AND TEN

this isn't even a good OC

>>61522234
How many levels of retardation do you have to be on to think this is a good comparison?

>>61522158
It matters because it's a glimpse at future performance, or high refresh rate performance. The moment a more demanding game releases or the moment you get a more powerful GPU, the Ryzen will grind to a halt, just like Bulldozer did.

>>61522307
Like, 5 or 6, my guy

>>61522319
Oh boy it's the Zen=Bulldozer dipshit.

More demanding games in the future will use more cores because Intel is finally going to 6 cores with Coffee Lake S, and will also use more of the power and features of newer GPUs.

Your entire argument is based on a flawed premise that you just spam over and over in multiple threads. Go away.

>>61522353
Battlefield 1 already utilises a lot of cores

DX12 and Vulkan will make more cores a lot better eventually

>>61522393
strangely, crysis 3 has most scalable engine I have ever seen. I don't know how they did that under dx11.

>>61522518
>I don't know how they did that under dx11.
Command lists i guess.

>>61522353
It only took Bulldozer less than a year until it turned to shit. Developing games to work with more threads takes exponentially more time, DICE just recently hit 8 threads with Battlefield 1 on Frostbite and Ryzen can barely compete, let alone falling to shambles when you remove the GPU bottleneck.

Your entire argument is based on a flawed premise that spamming 'nuh-uh!' will somehow prevent Bulldozer 2.0 from failing - it's simply too late for that, hopefully it's not too late on that return policy.

>>61522648
You keep spewing that Zen=Bulldozer shit, I'm sure someday someone that isn't another diehard Intel shill will believe you.

>>61522667
Screen cap my posts.

>>61522648
>DICE just recently hit 8 threads with Battlefield 1
then they are shit at this. crytek did better with crysis 3. it just scales up and up.

https://youtu.be/UIGGSxHpuoE?t=4m55s

>>61522648
>Developing games to work with more threads takes exponentially more time
I'd like a source for that.
From experience with SW architecture, this sounds like a complete bullshit.

>>61522648
>Ryzen can barely compete, let alone falling to shambles when you remove the GPU bottleneck.
In shitty old games that only use a single thread. At which point you're already into the hundreds of FPS, so it's pointless to even compare. >>61522158

>>61522852
Battlefield 1 uses 8 threads.

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>>61522878
so?

>>61522975
>GPU bottleneck
>multiplayer
>DX11

AMD Grasping straws... Sad!

Another
Massive
Delay

>>61522997
multiplayer is more taxing than singleplayer

>>61522997
Seething.

>>61523034
exactly, what moran would wait for a new arch until 2021?

>>61523034
What the fuck are you even talking about?

>>61523069
Intel's 10nm?

>>61522975
>I still don't know what a bottleneck is

I suppose being a fanboy requires a strong fortitude against reality.

>>61523121
>using 1080ti at 1080p
>bottleneck

>>61522997
>multiplayer

You mean by far the most CPU-intensive part of the game? And you're the one memeing about GPU bottlenecks. Oy vey.

>>61523149
Yes, actually. The default frame rate cap is 200 for Battlefield 1, 166 is less than 200. Do you know how to do math? Oh, that's right, you don't know what a bottleneck is, I forgot.

>>61523087
You mean Intel's "slower than 14nm" 10nm?

>>61523155
It's not CPU intensive in the way that terminal cancer wants :)

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>>61523180

>>61523180
>The default frame rate cap is 200 for Battlefield 1
source?

>>61523180
Your "logic" makes no sense. A CPU bottleneck would also stop it from achieving its framerate cap. There's no CPU in existence that can push 200fps in a 64-player multiplayer session of Battlefield 1, even at 720p/low settings with SLI Titan Xps.

>>61523210
Don't you know everyone plays 4-5 year old games at 720p with dual 1080ti's on a 240hz monitor? Damn casuals these days.

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>>61523232
You truly are uneducated. I suppose that's status quo for /g/. What did I expect from a bunch of NEETs?

Im getting a ryzen 1700 for my next gayming build

>>61523660
Stop, this is antisemitism

>>61522648

shit like this is so fucking dumb

Both the major consoles are multicore. We live in a world today where there are a few major engines that just about everything uses.

Do you think Epic or even Unity are just gonna say fuck it, lets pretend like its still 2008?

>>61523232
You're the one who makes no sense. You don't benchmark CPUs at 1080p and ultra quality.

>>61525266
yes, because you bench them at 480p and low quality. everyone plays games at 480p.

>>61525432
THAT'S NOT A CPU BENCHMARK REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>61506670
when is zen2 released?

the mental illness in this thread is amazing

>>61525463
~Q4 2018.
7nm LP is going HVM Q3 2018.

>>61525457
and 1080ti at 1080p is not a bottleneck.

>>61525476
IT'S NOT ENOUGH OF A BOTTLENECK

>>61506670
>Intel is the "JUST WAIT" Company now
best timeline

>>61509713
Its like 4D Chess :^)

>>61524650
top fucking jej if this is true. 1.25V is nothing

>>61525432
you suck, bitch

>>61525578
not an argument, cunt.

>>61524650
Kek it's a housefire

>>61525266
The problem with this logic is that the number of draw calls to the GPU are so low at low resolution and low settings that it's not as great a CPU stress test as you think it is. 1080p/Ultra with a really strong GPU makes a lot more sense for a realistic but also taxing workload for the CPU.

>>61506670
>tfw gaymer faggots still shill the 7700k

Truly they are the ones that'll keep Jewtel afloat.