>2560 x 1600 IPS display >Kaby-lake CPU >+8GB RAM >NVMe

you're on /g/ filled with NEETs what can you honestly expect? they barely had enough to afford their $200 thrift store dinosaur laptop as it is!

>$2800

lol

>>61392782
I hate it because I hate flaming faggots such as yourself, OP.

Windows > Linux > Unix

>giving money to apple voluntarily

>>61392782
Yet the people that buy it only use it to check their f*cebook and tw*tter

>>61392782
Mmhm, jealousy I think!

Love mine!

Only thing I'd contest is "future proof", as it kinda sucks that everything is soldered. But it is what it is. Not being Windows or Linux (and working so well with portable devices that are not Android) is a massive massive bonus that far outweighs its non upgradeable nature.

>>61392782
*throttles to 800Mhz*

>>61392782
>God Tier keyboard
I like the MacBook Pro but calling the keyboard anything but awful is delusion.
The complete lack of travel makes it feel like you're typing on a flat piece of paper.

>>61392782
>being outperformed by $500 usd laptops
Joke's on you.

>>61393113
Haven't seen mine do that when monitoring with Intel Power Gadget. I guess it might throttle if you absolutely hammer the CPU and GPU at the same time for a prolonged period for benchmarks, but it's not something that happens in real world use.

>>61393145
Not OP but I agree that the keyboard is great. At least the 2017 version (it possibly got tweaked?)
I actually find it really comfy to type on, have no trouble with textwalls at all. It is, however, a bit noisy.

>>61393155
with a substantial downgrade on screen, trackpad and build quality, not to mention the os and durability

>>61393203
yeah, but if you spend 2000 USD maybe you get a way better laptop.

>>61392782
>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support
Is that true? I thought the new mbp had pretty bad linux support.
>God Tier keyboard and trackpad
Really? I've tried the keyboard a bit and I couldn't type for shit.
>Competitively priced
Eh.

I kinda want one without the idotic touchbar solely for the screen. I'd probably have to add protections and it'd end up weighting a ton though.
Is there a cheaper alternative with a decent battey life and a screen that's as good?

>>61392782
Nice pasta, son of bitch

>>61393243
There are old MBP on ebay for about $300

>it's yet another apple shilling thread
Fuck off

>>61392782
>Intel Iris graphics
>$2000+
>Competitively priced
>"Futureproof" meaning covered in ports that might be useful in several years when everything else about the laptop is outdated but to use it right now you need a million dongles
too many memes please send help

>>61392782
>trash keyboard
>dongle
nah the last MBP before redesign was fine though

>>61392802
fpbp

>Kaby Lake
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>61393301
Dongle is just an easy target (low hanging fruit? haha) but actually a fairly poor one - USB-C type connectors are clearly the future and you can get 3-packs of adaptors for about £6.

Like with the iPhone 7. "lol courage port" yeah we get it, it's a fair but wayyyyyy overblown criticism considering most of us have never charged and had a headphone plugged in at the same time.

>>61392782
>2560 x 1600
lmao

Get with the times fuckboi. My laptop has a god damn 4K screen on it you fucking poorfag little pegging bitch.

>>61393936
>muh 4k that I can only notice with a magnifying glass

Enjoy the pointless waste of battery power and GPU load.

>>61393919
Being an easy target doesn't make it wrong. Apple could have easily done 2 type-c and two type-a and avoided this mess entirely. Being "future proof" is retarded when you're actively inconveniencing people in the present.

>>61393963
>my high definition is valid but yours isn't
Come on dude can we just have a reasonable discussion about this

>>61393964
It's not wrong it's just way overblown. Mountain out of a molehill. Adaptors are so cheap you can literally just buy one for every device and solve the problem

>>61393988
>needing to carry an adapter around with you everywhere you go

>>61393988
Yeah I mean there are many ways to explain around it, it's still a completely unnecessary pain in the ass.

>>61393976
I'm not the grandparent comment, but come on - you don't get a reasonable discussion in return by calling people fuckbois and bitches XD

Apple went to great lengths to figure out what "retina", meaning what you reasonably can see a few inches from your face, constitutes. It's just over 300ppi. 4K on a 13" screen is just invisible overkill imo.

>>61394014
>>61394035
Presumably you're already carrying the device around with you (seeing as you need to carry the adapter around with you) so the only "inconvenience" is having a small adapter on the end?

I'm not saying it's ideal, a USB-A port and a little bit more thickness would've been fine and good, but the way people go on, you'd think Apple had literally shat on it and forced a purchase.

>Fake edit: just over 300, inches from your face
I meant to add that laptops don't tend to be inches from your face and 200 is considered fine, before anyone pipes up on that issue!

>>61394118
Why the hell did they get rid if the headphone jack?

>>61394154
Courage

They like to keep things as thin as possible and it wouldn't fit with all the other gubbins they wanted.

Again I think it's a valid criticism (love my SE, which has a headphone jack as an option to use, even though I use bluetooth with it 99% of the time) it's just the way people make out it's the worst thing anyone has ever done and that it's akin to murdering babies.

>>61394227
>courage

That's a funny way to say greed. Buy our Bluetooth headphones, goyim, they're only $199.99. Oh, you don't want those? Well you have to buy our proprietary wired headphones. We're Changing the World® Progress©

>>61392782
>dongle hell
Yeah, I'd rather not. Better off getting an XPS. For the same price you can get an i7, 16GB of RAM and an SSD the same size and speed. A good keyboard, reasonable trackpad, a USB-C Thunderbolt3 port for your newer devices but still have USB3.0 ports for older devices and a card reader.

Honestly don't understand how the Macbook is even an option.

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>>61392782
>performs worse than a tablet

> not upgradable
> no network port
> no magsafe
> no vga/hdmi
> dongle hell

While my staingate MBP is good enough and OS X is somewhat useable, I'd still prefer to buy a Lenovo or Dell. Can't beat the resell value tho.

>>61392782
It has shit thermals because of "muh thin."

That's why I hate the new rMBP.

>>61394289
I said "courage" sarcastically, lel, it's a meme.

That said, my bluetooth earbuds cost £11. (That's about $10). You really don't have to buy their shitty airpods, which anyone with a brain thinks is the worst thing they've come up with since the hockey puck mousse.

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The real predecessor to the MacBook Pro. It's not the PowerBook, it's the Compaq Evo.

>>61392832
Acually $1,299+

OP is the 13" version.

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>>61392782
>God Tier keyboard and trackpad
Why are you lying, OP? No keyboard with less than 2 mm of travel can be called "god tier", and neither can any track pad that is larger than you can move your finger without moving your palm.

Also lol apple layout.
Also pic related.

>>61394503
The fuck is that?
You'd have to kill me before you can see me walk around with that dinosaur.

>>61394593
If you believe in ghosts anyway, as not many of the dead otherwise walk around :)

>>61393145
Have you used it consistently for any significant amount of time? I hated it at first, but now I love it. If I use my 2014 MBP it feels archaic in comparison.

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>>61392843

>>61392782
It's actually competitive pricing at $2100, that's the price I see on Apple

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>>61397685
>competitive

>>61392782
The keyboard is alright, but I prefer mechanical.

My only true complaint is the TouchBar. They should've made the entire keyboard a TouchBar.

>>61392782
>soldered ram
>soldered SSD
>glued in battery
That's why.

-t 2008 Unibody Macbook owner.

>>61394593
When they were around you were still in your 2nd dad's balls

Poorfag or not, why do you want to give more money than you should to anyone?

>>61397691
Notice how the MacBook costs less than the equivalent competition, sure it doesn't have as good of thermals but they are still great for their job

>>61392782
I've been shopping around for a true alternative to the mbp and the only one I found that comes remotely close is the OLED Yoga. But for $2000 you're stuck with integrated and a mediocre battery life. Meanwhile for $2200 you get a dGPU and 9 hr battery on the mbp.

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I wnat to get one but don't have enough disposable income. I have friends who hace macbooks, looks like a very enjoyable product. Just stuck here with my 2007 compaq and a 2004 desktop

high resolution displays are fucking garbage. osx cant even scale correctly without random bluriness and the other 2 os's are even worse

buying anything higher than 1080 on a laptop display is fucking retarded

>>61398436
>buying anything higher than 1080 on a laptop display is fucking retarded
Fully agree, also it's a waste of battery life

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>>61392782
>keyboard
i looked it up and what the fuck? that new switch looks like it was designed to feel good in the Apple store and snap in half 500 keystrokes later.

>>61392782
HAHAHHAHAHhhHhAHAHAHA

no

>>61392782
nothing says "pro" quite like a dual core laptop cpu and 8gb ram

>>61392782

The keyboard is toddler tech, and the price tag is triple what a gently used desktop of similar power would cost. Why the fuck anyone who's not a video editor would purchase such a device other than as a status symbol or being technology-challenged is beyond me.

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>>61398989
>anyone who's not a video editor

Even that's not a good reason.

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>>61392782
it doesnt have gentoo

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>but muh keyboard travel height
(actually has better tactile feedback than other laptop keyboards)

>muh big trackpad
(more gesture room and you can actually click on the entire thing instead of just the bottom two thirds)

>muh dongols
(too poor to spend $5)

>but muh LOWER RESOLUTION DISPLAY
(significant display quality improvement over 1080p and you still get 10 hours of battery)

never change, /g/.

>>61392782
>people actually buy laptops meant as workstations
why
if you need it for work, you'd make your company pay for it
if you don't need it for work, why the fuck do you need these specs for watching porn and shitposting on /g/ with a 3 hour battery life

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>>61392782
>>61399176
how about this? quad core cpu, decent keyboard, good layout, 15.6" 4K ips screen, and even a gtx 1050 at a lower price. poopy battery life, but with those specs at that price I wouldn't have expected much anyway

>>61399286
specs are not bad, but that crappy hinge design in 2017 is a big no-no for me.

15" laptops are more prone to damage so I would stay away from anything shifty. at least save up to buy something good like XPS 15.

not completely sold on a 2-in-1 15" either.

>>61393036
You blocked the "a" from Facebook
You blocked the "i" from twitter
Does that mean mac is for ai?????

>>61392782
>kaby lake
enjoy your lap burning

>>61394528
>13"
>4 USB-C

>>61399430
yeah that weight and size is not great for a 2 in 1, but if I went with alternatives the price difference between this and the xps is pretty big. if I could I would though

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What's a good linux-friendly laptop under $600? I'm sure the MBP is nice, but I won't dump 4 digits on a laptop.

I'm looking for:
>8GB-16GB ram
>SSD hard drive
>1400x900 or bigger screen
>excellent linux support
>brand new OR refurbished

any ideas guys? my older hp laptop is going to shit the bed anytime

>>61392782
SHITTIEST keyboard ever. I miss the 2013 keyboard. That huge ass trackpad is fucking ugly and that touch bar is the most retarded gimmick I have ever seen on a laptop.

> PROFESSIONALS DON'T LOOK AT THEIR KEYBOARD, THUS THIS TOUCH BAR IS A USELESS PIECE OF SHIT.

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>>61399517

>>61398419
ThinkPads and surplus business towers are dirt cheap. You could get either for $100.

>>61392782
I bought the ThinkPad T470 instead.

>Better keyboard
>Better selection of ports
>Better Linux and Windows (solely for running AutoCAD) support
>Better battery life
>Better upgradability
>Dock is just so nice and convenient to use

>>61398419
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Optiplex-990-SFF-WINDOWS-7-Core-i7-2600-3-40GHz-4GB-RAM-500GB-HDD-/302383803455?hash=item46677aac3f:g:qjUAAOSwlXhZaUxH

>>61392782
>>>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support

show proof

I have the money and all I want is a good linux support, I don't care about the price. Now I have a thinkpad with 6th generation i7 cpu, and linux support is shit

>>61399286
>>61399430

I have an older yoga 260, linux support is pretty shitty

>mbp 2017
>not bezel less

>>61392782
>>2560 x 1600 IPS display
It is a nice display but my 2560x1440 OLED display is faster and looks B e a utiful.
>>Kaby-lake CPU
Runs balls hot
>>+8GB RAM
Soldered ram is lame.
>>NVMe SSD (the fastest on any laptop)
It's a placebo beyond ~1.6GB/s I swear.
>>Future proof ready (with 4 USB-C ports)
What? It's future proof by requiring dongles to do anything normal?
>>God Tier keyboard and trackpad
I'm not a fan of the keyboard but that trackpad is clean
>>Competitively priced
Heh no
>>Well suported stable UNIX out of the box
You're not wrong
>>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support
>>/g/ hates it.
You wouldn't believe it the more you lurk
>Is it because you are a poorfag? This is the best laptop that can exist.
No

>>61400173
>It is a nice display but my 2560x1440 OLED display is faster and looks B e a utiful.
What's your laptop?

I acutally quite liked Macbooks until they changed everything to USB C, and added the stupid touchbar. Why bother? Just get an XPS 13.

>>61392782
>NO PORTS
>O
>P
>O
>R
>T
>S

>>61394154
>>61394289
No phone will have a headphone jack by 2020. Watch.

>>61400161
>giving a shit about bezels

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>>61397691
Did you even notice the Inspirion that is ~60℅ of the price with the same specs + a better GPU?

>>61392782
Since I own one of these, I feel free to correct your

>2560 x 1600 IPS display
Just upscaled because GPU can't actually handle that res.
>Kaby-lake CPU
Not even a valid point. Every new notebook has kabylake
>+8GB RAM
Most notebooks in the same price range have more RAMS
>NVMe SSD (the fastest on any laptop)
Wrong. Samsung 960 Pro is fastest. Ever other notebook manufacturer let's you at least replace stock NVMe against Samsung 960 Pro
>Future proof ready (with 4 USB-C ports)
Still no backwards compatible without dongles
>God Tier keyboard and trackpad
Trackpad is fine, keyboard is pretty much shit. Loud as hell
>Competitively priced
not even remotely
>Well suported stable UNIX out of the box
Yes
>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support
Not at all. There are no Linux drivers yet. Not even for wifi
>/g/ hates it.
Yes

>>61400321
What benefit is there to not including a headphone jack? The marginal benefit of removing the jack is nearly zero, especially considering that most camera modules stick out of the phone anyway.

>>61400359
Gives more space to internals in the phone such as the battery.

Plus it encourages wireless headphones which are arguably the future.

>>61400365
What? It takes up next to no room on the board. It's not as though the pcb is crammed anyway. It's all just to satisfy the thin meme.

>>61392782
Honestly I pretty much like everything, but the os, and keyboard. Other than that the other drawback for me is that everything that I'd want to do on that laptop can be done on any old business class laptop that has a second gen i5/i7, or newer. I could probably get by on a c2d laptop to be honest.

>>61393155
Enjoy your TN panel and slow ass SATA SSD you peasant

>>61400456
For $500 I can settle for a couple seconds.

>>61392782
where's the trackpoint device

>>61400456
There's nothing wrong with TN panels. Color shift isn't an issue on a 15" panel, you retard.

>>61392782
>God Tier keyboard
Oh come on OP, even you don't believe this right?

>>61400336
Do you even know that its a fucking gaming laptop with a world apart in specs

This image is almost made to prove that what Intel is inside isn't nearly everything, the display for example on the Dell is miles worse than the Apple, unusable for many creative applications

And then the laptop on the left is using the last generation dual core fucking processor at a much lower clock than the Mac with a quad core AND Polaris graphics

This image high tier baitkai

>>61392782
When they bring back ports instead of being faggots with just USB-C I'm buying one.

I'm not going to play their little game when I can find just as good laptops for $1000 less.

>>61392782
>Kaby-lake CPU
Means nothing
>+8GB RAM
Expandable?
>NVMe SSD (the fastest on any laptop)
Soldered on
>Future proof ready
Are you serious? You can't upgrade it
>God Tier keyboard and trackpad
Keyboard is shit, trackpad is pretty good
>Competitively priced
No comment
>Well suported stable UNIX out of the box
True
>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support
Absolutely not
>/g/ hates it.
With good reason

>>61394376
could you do the same test compiling somthing big? like for example the linux kernel

Out of curiosity, how would a 2C/4T laptop CPU handle an external GPU, Would it prove to be a bottleneck, or with modern games being more GPU heavy would it be less of an issue?

>>61400365
dude, i got nada against wireless but until it can deliver the same quality it's shit.

>>61392782
0/10 no clitmouse

>>61392782
>>Future proof ready (with 4 USB-C ports)
That's great and all but it's the only laptop that's not current-proof without dingling their dongles.

>$2800
>No cum drains in the keyboard

No thanks, the ThinkPad is the machine of choice for a professional futa connoisseur like me.

>>61392782
For that kind of money you can get a new 14'' thinkpad with 2k screen, 1tb NVMe SSD, actual future ready ports (thunderbolt 3 + usb-c, gigabit ethernet, 4g LTE, hdmi 2.0) and a better keyboard with clitmouse.

There is literally no reason to get a macbook.

>>61392782
it's a perfect computer for those who are not tech enthusiasts or gamers. let's be honest here, the only people who care about hardware specs are hobbyists and poorfags (who need something to make them feel good about their poorness and not feel bad about not working harder).

i mean the design is beautiful, the keyboard is perfect, the screen is the best, the OS is perfect for non-tech geek productive people, it's fast and not something that requires you to be a tech savvy person in order to fix it if it's broken someday. it has great customer service. also it's that company that don't only make the hardware but also the software.

the only reason you hate it is because it's expensive but can't be used to videogame. well it's a laptop for people who had gone through the videogame phase. it's for adults.

>>61393155
the equal contenders to a MBP13 are more expensive. no, not spec wise, but experience wise.

>>61401466
>those who are not tech enthusiasts
>perfect for non-tech geek
>not something that requires you to be a tech savvy person

Where do mouth breathing technology illiterate brain dead gullible mactoddler morons get the false impression that they or their fruity toddler toys are welcome much less belong on a technology board?

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>>61401474
>experience wise

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>>61392782

>>61400340
When you have to lie on /g/ so can remotely feel accepted. You worthless piece of shit.

>>61401478
because it's literally a technological device, you hyperbollic underage youtube let'splayer.

>>61392782
Because I don't want to pay that much if I'm just going to install something else, and even then you're paying the premium for their "exclusive" club. AKA: MacOS only available for Apple computers.

>>61401466
you can game on it though
just install windows. I mean most of them have passable video cards even if nothing amazing. I can play overwatch 4k on mine

>>61401478
MACTODDLERS BTFO

>>61400365
Phones without headphone jacks don't have larger batteries than phones with them. Making the phone 1mm thicker would let you put a bigger battery in, not removing a very useful and widely used port. And wireless is still shit compared to wired.

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>>61401548
>replying to your own shitty spam post

>>61392782
Give me 3 good reasons to replace my XPS 15 with this Macbook.

>>61401568
i can't. you're on /g/, so computer is probably your hobby. if computer is your hobby, then mac isn't for you. macs are for people who you will work for

>>61401568
macbook has better display, os and battery life iirc

not that i'd actually replace it if you already got the xps 15

>>61392782
>>Future proof ready (with 4 USB-C ports)
>future proof ready
>with no hardware upgradebility whatsoever

>>God Tier keyboard and trackpad
trackpad yes, keyboard fuck no

>>Competitively priced
and then literally in the same post you say
>Is it because you are a poorfag?
So wchich on is it?

>>61401615
Actually my XPS 15 was given to me at my workplace, and it was chosen by our Senior programmers (why they didn't give us ThinkPads like I suggested I don't know, but I won't complain about being given an almost 1600€ laptop).

And before anyone assumes it, I don't just program, I also do photo and video editing as well as graphic design with it. The screen on the XPS 15 is really good.

>>61401651
well you'd get better experience with a macbook but i assume you're pretty prejudiced towards apple, like "ugh it's normie and gay and betacuck ugh deus vult" then just stick with your current stuff.

>>61401709
I'm really not prejudiced, at my previous job I worked with Mac desktop computers (the ones with 5k screens, don't remember the model) as a video/image editor and also doing 3D rendering and they are just fine.
But here's the thing, beyond the built in high quality screen I really didn't feel like the machines were particularly more productive or useful to me and my job than my windows based assembled Desktop PC with comparable specs (except the screen) that I have at home for a much better price.

>>61401634
It has a brighter display, but even it's p3 color gamut screen isn't as useful as the 100% Adobe rgb 4k on the XPS 15 that allows switching of color modes. Battery life is also pretty much the same since apple thought it'd be great to strip over 20wh of battery away from it's latest 15 inch model.

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>3200 × 1800 display
>Kaby-lake CPU
>Up to 32GB RAM
>NVMe SSD
>USB 3.1 Type-C with Thunderbolt, 2 × USB 3.1 Type-A, SD Card Reader
>Gigabit Ethernet, Intel® Wireless-AC, Bluetooth
>HDMI, MiniDP/USB-C
>Multitouch Touchpad, Backlit Chiclet Keyboard
>Starting at $849
>Perfect for Linux, even ships with it

Cons:
>No Apple logo

Is it because you are a richfag? This is the worst laptop that can exist.

>>61393166
If your "real world" use is browsing facebook then sure, it probably won't throttle on you.

Try encoding a video or doing something that's even remotely CPU intensive and you'll quickly see that it takes three times as long on the throttlebook compared to a real computer.

There's a reason there's more games for GNU/Linux than MacOS now, these toys can't handle anything that tries to actually use the GPU or the CPU so you can't really use them for anything.

>>61393919
Who are you trying to kid there? I have zero devices that use USB-C. I've got external harddrives and mice and keyboards and USB sticks and so on and they all use a normal USB port.

And you don't have to point that you've never charged and used a headphone at the same time on a iPhone, you can't.

>>61400336
> ~60℅
how to spot a mobile fag

>>61392782

Everything about it is great except that shitty keyboard. I've tried several times and I just cant get over how low the key travel is. It's unpleasant to type on in my opinion.

>>61401773

nice trackpad lol

I wouldn't mind getting a laptop at some point, but as it is right now, I have no use for one.

>>61400336
>2.8 GHz

Why are laptops so underpowered?

>company I work for gives us macbook pros
>I lucked out and got a 2015 model
>they've already transitioned to the new ones with the touchbar
>only one guy in the office did the "refresh your computer" thing to upgrade to the new model

I'm going to hold on to my 2015 macbook with a death grip for as long as I can, and hopefully by the time I need a refresh this retarded nonsense Apple is bathing in will have blown over.

>>61402907
You forgot that it throttles to 0.8GHz if it gets the least bit hot.

>>61402940
Lol no.
XPS 15 i7 7700HQ @2.8 here it doesn't work like that.
Even when doing structure simulation with Abaqus it does it's job well and the tempertures are actually decent.

>>61392782
>keyboard is utter shit
>only has USB C
>ForceTouch trackpad
>touchbar bullshit
>not user-serviceable
The only thing it has going for it is that it's practically the only 16:10 laptop left on the market.

>>61399498
4 USB-C with thunderbolt. That's more IO than almost all other laptops condensed into 4 ports

>>61399093
>posts anti-mac image using emojis only available on macs
makes you think

>>61399585
kek, thinkpads have utterly miserable battery life, what a garbage info graphic

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>>61403242
If only there was another way to add that emoji to the photo

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>>61403165

Could have only 2 usb-c, only if you pony up 500 dollarydoos more youll get a few more

>tfw I have a rMBP that hasn't even been switched on in months

I use an X220 as my main laptop, which cost me £150. the macbook was £2k and is an atrocious machine. I understand falling for the Apple meme, but to brag about it? You probably shouldn't be positing on a technology board

>>61403391
They have computers in the UK?

>>61403391
>the macbook was £2k and is an atrocious machine
why ? cus it can't game and code ?

you're right though, apple doesn't make products for computer hobbyists

>excellent BSD support

No Broadcom drivers.

>>61403450
Yeah they make products for retarded faggots who love wasting money.

>>61401466
>well my laptop doesn't have these features like other laptops do.
>doesn't count.

Macfags are a joke....

>>61401466
>61401466
it is literally a computer for people who don't know better, not people who spend their free time browsing technology boards

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>>61392782
>Competitively priced

You don't seem to see one of the most obvious problems we have with this burning piece of shit do you

>9 cell / 6 cell
>9-12 hours (with second battery i cn go for a weekend)
>linux support
>tough
>well build
>easy to repair
>12 gb of ram
Elitebook 2570p, but also the same you can sy about thinkpad 300-500 usd
Cons:
only display but i don't give a fuck, i can put 2 ide screen on it.

>shit keyboard
>gimmick touchbar
>dongle madness
>battery crippled to shave off 0.1mm of height
They should have just taken the old one and put in two usb-c ports, fingerprint scanner and a new display. That would literally have been the best laptop ever.

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>>61392782
>>61392802
>Is it because you are a poorfag? This is the best laptop that can exist.

>>61393222
Too bad that doesn't happen with Apple, maybe more people with an IQ above 90 would buy it

>>61403667
this desu

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>>61403102
Cosign with this man

>>61403814
Its literally right there on the touchbar if the image was a bit higher res you'd see it

>>61392782
It's apple and their practices are shit. They try so hard to become a monopole and want to force you to buy as much up to date apple shit as possible. If everything you own is apple and everything is the latest model you're set but over time they will release new hardware with no compatibility for your old devices.
There are many more reasons like this which should tell you that by buying apples crap you support malicious practices and it will only get worse in the future if you keep buying this shit.

>>61403933
That's not a key or a button, that's a flat piece of glass.

>>61403933
still no usb ports because they want to sell their dongles.. Next version will probably have donlge 2.0 which means you'll be rebuying all your dongles

>>61393243
Not OP here, for the GNU/Linux support it's Okay, except for the WiFi you need some special driver (proprietary I think). You need a little bit of tweaking to get all your stuff working, but it runs fine.

>>61403662
everything in apple is the opposite of gimmick.

>>61395687
I used it for around 10 minutes in a PC store. I tried to get into it but I just couldn't. The key travel in the older MacBooks felt way better to me.

>>61403993
>because they want to sell their dongles
no because they predicted that usb c will be the future. usb c is faster and better experience in general than regular usb, so by forcing you to use usb-c, they're like forcing you to always experience faster transfer etc etc. so in your subconscious mind, you always experience speed etc etc the good stuffs from usb-c.

>>61403991
everyone uses the esc button rarely now.

>>61392782

I bought one last week, I love it! It takes sometimes to understand how things are working, but once you are over it it's perfect

>>61403292
This is so odd. The extra cost to make molds and machinery for the board that has 2 ports cost them far more then if they had just had the 13" model come with 4 ports standard.

This kind of fuckery with consumers makes me hate a company. If you want to justify higher priced models there are plenty of ways to do it with screen/ram/hdd/ssd/gpu/cpu that are justifyable cost savings to the manufacturer.

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>>61401777
>There's a reason there's more games for GNU/Linux than MacOS now, these toys can't handle anything that tries to actually use the GPU or the CPU so you can't really use them for anything.
This, MacOS is really a toy OS, Applel gives his "limited but pretty" system to mactoddlers, in a pretty package.
Come on, even Windows is more productive than that piece of shit.

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>>61404245
Yeah, that should be why the audio jack came back.
Come on, Tim Cook knows shit about technology, Apple only salvation was Steve Jobs (and with salvation I meant 'reason to stay in the market'). This faggot is going to ruin Apple, every product they release is worse.

>>61404368
All companies do this and yet you hate apple.
The blind anger and hatred is just because it's popular. Apple charges what the market will bear and people value more then the sum of the cost of components.

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>>61403242

>>61401466
>great customer service
the fuck you talking about? maybe 10 years ago when they made a push to make everyone switch, but apple baby toys are ubiquitous now they pretty much always tell you to go fuck yourself and buy another one.

>>61392782
>8 bit ugly screen
>slowest, most throttled cpu on the market for $1000+ laptops
>low amounts of ram by default
>only usb type c
>worst keyboard on a laptop, oversized trackpad for people who can't use keyboard shortcuts
>awful pricing
>bastardized unix out of the box
>a free and open OS that supports the hardware better than the manufacturer themselves

>>61393155

Outperformed in what? Do you run benchmarks on your machine all day, use it for mining coins or do you actually use it like a normal person? I'd rather use a 2006 MacBook over some shitty Windows 10 shitfest Dell memebezel thing.

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>>61408347
Irony is that only mactoddlers try to show of meme benchmarks while everyone else benches with real applications.

>>61408285
hint: the majority of ips panels in laptops are 6 bit + frc

10 bit panels are only found in mobile workstations

>>61408399
hint: when you're buying a multithousand dollar PC chances are you're buying a workstation
we aren't comparing a $600 HP shitter to a macbook here, we're doing a fair comparison

>>61408412
>we aren't comparing a $600 HP shitter to a macbook here, we're doing a fair comparison

B-b-b-but how else can you make a mac look good?!?!

>>61408347
>the normal person meme
Actually doing work (math calc, compiling and video encoding)

>>61408388
I don't blame them, they're trying to justify that they lost hundred of dollars on their snowflake laptop

>>61392782
>spectrum / cheap calculator tier keyboard
>glossy screen
>non-competitive price
No.

>>61408412
Honestly, even the $600 HP shitter would probably perform better than the Macbook. Apple is a fucking joke. >>61408388

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>>61408412
ok so hp zbooks + dreamcolor panel

woah...really competes with the thin and light rmbp, not to mention it's trash 16:9 1080p for "muh 10 bit IPS"

>>61408388
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9BNJrd70Wg&t

I've watched this video, its full of flaws, its not even made by a tech reviewer. You know this, we all know this. You have an incorrect macro as an argument, which is how I know you have zero experience with anything. Enjoy your Windows XP prebuilt, Panjeet.

>>61408433

Who compiles on a laptop for anything serious that isn't a personal hobby? This is how I know you're not even a programmer. You offload that to a server. That and Macs are literally targeted mainly for people working with video. Even a 12" MacBook can edit 4K footage. The retard in the video was not using Final Cut, but instead was using Adobe shit which isn't optimized for macOS and even more optimized for AMD GPUs. You're both clueless tech illiterates who can only read images so I don't expect either of you to understand technical details of why things happen.

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>>61408530
>t. mactoddler mad his fruity toddler toy got BLOWN THE FUCK OUT by a 6600U

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>>61408530
>Final Cut

Poo in the fucking loo Ranjeet.

>>61408530
>Who compiles on a laptop for anything serious that isn't a personal hobby?
>buying a $2000 laptop to be a personal hobbyist youtuber
That's the only market for a macbook, being a mactoddler youtuber who needs to edit the footage of his GoPro. Real men uses PC laptops, go back and suck Tom Cook's dick.

>The retard in the video was not using Final Cut
Not even Apple marketing people uses Final Cut, is a hobbyist software. Industry standard is Adobe.

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>>61408530
>mactoddler
>calling anyone else clueless tech illiterates

>>61400972
When it comes to TN vs IPS there's no comparison. Also enjoy your 1366x768 screen resolution!

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>>61392782
>2560 x 1600 IPS display
Neat aspect ratio I'll give you that
>Kaby-lake CPU
Okay? Congratulations for being in 2017
What did you think it was going to have dumb faggot? Sandy bridge?
>+8GB RAM
Welcome to 2010 anon
Tell me when it supports 64 so I can laugh at you with 256 gb of ram
>NVMe SSD (the fastest on any laptop)
Barely faster that sata 3
Not that you'd notice it at all
>God Tier keyboard and trackpad
If you've never used a keyboard and trackpad sure. 2015 was better
>Competitively priced
To what? My car?
>Well suported stable UNIX out of the box
If only linux, a equally well supported platform didn't exist
>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support
If only both of those weren't almost compatible with everything but the most obscure budget shitbox that's not even supported by its manufacturer properly

Pic related is what I think about your soda can shitbox
I'd suggest you buy a laptop made by actual designers and engineers so it's not a useless sculpture with lights

>>61400462
You mean milliseconds

>>61393273
>core2duo

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>>61392782

>>61409948
>needing more than that in a laptop
For an extra hundred you can get a 2012 MBP

>>61408530
>I don't expect either of you to understand technical details of why things happen.

Not one of them, but I know the technical details of what happened:

The MPB throttles like a motherfucker because Apple decided looks and quietness was more important that proper cooling.
MBP is designed for light browsing, not any CPU/GPU intensive work.

>>61399517
Just come down to /tpg/ my man and we'll hook you up
I got a T430 a few months ago and it's pretty great
>8 gb of ram but can go up to 16
>not one but two sata 3 ports if you sacrifice the optical drive and one sata 2 where the GSM card would've been
>1600x900 option (though it's no ips macbook screen I'll give it that plus shitty colors and viewing angles but nothing worse than a budget notebook. The hinge can open 1080 degrees so you can just adjust it)
>god tier loonix support, mines running gentoo and debian
>still gets driver and bios updates
>you can get it off Newegg but ebay is cheaper

Same goes for the T420 but it has a shittier igpu so I'd recommend the T430 more

>>61410009
Yeah but anon I could just get a thinkpad for much cheaper and swap out the keyboard and palm rest for under 300

>>61392782
>take specs of <$500 laptop
>insert in le aluminum meme case that dents
>add more pixels=better display (cause those UI edges really make the difference, just scale static content lmao)
>force USB-C instead of having them in addition to older ports
>make sure keyboard has no travel
>add extra throttling because you have no real cooling

the macbook experience folks

>>61394227
>They like to keep things as thin as possible and it wouldn't fit with all the other gubbins they wanted.

but the world's thinnest phone has a 3.5mm headphone jack

What an awesome laptop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBzDGjRge1A

at this point I am convinced this kind of post is nothing but bait

>>61408530
>the retard doesn't understand that people with two and even THREE digit IQs wouldn't use babby's first video editing software for even the barest of video editing

>>61400365
>Gives more space to internals in the phone such as the battery.
bull. the extra space from removing the jack doesn't add significant space for a larger battery. phones with larger batteries are bigger rectangles and/or are thicker, because that's how you fit in a larger battery. it's not like they can make an L-shaped tetris battery that can hold 50 more mah by fitting into the space the headphone jack had. also the iphone has far from stellar battery life.

>>61400365
>Plus it encourages wireless headphones which are arguably the future.
the profit future for the likes of beats and bose maybe. for sound quality and general ease of use/value? no.
>having to charge headphones
>limited battery life
>dependent on manufacturer internal dac, amp, and other electronics which will degrade or fail over time, and can't be easily fixed.
>forced DSP and other bullshit
>drains phone battery more as well
>compressed audio, connection issues, etc.
>raises price significantly, to the point where the audio quality is that of a headphone that costs 1/4 as much
>things get infinitely worse with smaller headphones/IEMs

>>61400365
if you think wireless headphones are the future, you should take yourself out of the future anon

>>61400365
>Plus it encourages wireless headphones which are arguably the future.
Not until we make some major advancements in battery tech.

>>61403281
>thinkpads have utterly miserable battery life
and how do you think they score so well in runtime tests? magic? some thinkpads have unimpressive battery life like any laptop, but all the newer ones get 8 hours or more with the weakest battery option, usually more than 10. with the higher battery options 12-20+ hours is typical, and that's not even counting the slice battery. even ancient shit like my x60s get about 10 hours. it's honestly embarrassing that modern "experiential" laptops that cost 2k can't get much over 10 hours and sometimes go under that even with terribly gimped specs.

If I have the option to get a late 2015 macbook pro 15 inch for 1100, or a 2017 macbook pro 15 inch for 1700, which should I go for?

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>>61403281
>t. mactoddler

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>>61410702

>>61392782
Don't need a laptop

>>61410731
you're a tough guy

>>61399176
>Gestures
Fuck why ppl use this shit instead a regular trackpad?

>>61404077
https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux/
Not really no.

>>61410744
4 u

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>>61399176
>throttles to 800mhz

>>61394314
aren't XPS faulty build quality?

>>61392782
>four USB c ports
>future proof
No

>>61392782
>God Tier keyboard
Yes, that 0.5mm travel is "God Tier". Sure.
>Competitively priced
What does this mean?
>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support
Blatantly false, the latest MBP has shit Linux support.
>Is it because you are a poorfag? This is the best laptop that can exist.
No, it's because I prefer my XPS. Not even who disagrees with you is poor. You also don't need to lie.

>>61393036
Half the people I know with a macbook work as developers.

>>61406975
you're all idiots. it's the touchbar model. you can't get one with 4 usb-c ports without the touchbar. it's the apple tax.

i have a mac but i'm not upgrading to the memebar one once there's more third party support. in this stage, it's a gimmick.

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>>61403292
>1299$
>dual core
Why is this allowed in 2017?

Needing an adapter is very annoying. An extra thing I have to physically manage for no reason or tangible benefit. Just Apple bring arbitrary and not giving a fuck about anything other than how special they are. They're fags and the gpu is weak, so I prefer the xps 15, which I can actually repair should it get damaged

>>61405164
If you still have the headphone jack, then it's almost impossible to make it water and dust resistant. Combine that with no physical home button and wireless headphones, you'll experience the most long lasting everything.

>>61392782
>shit keyboard with no travel
>trackpad instead of trackpoint
>botnet CPU with intel ME
>over priced
>non removeable battery
>anti-repair
>propietary OS
>made by app lel.
>autistic touch screen instead of F keys and esc
Its fucking shit.

>>61400340

macOS actually uses DSR for everything, mostly for better text rendering...

Anything running on native "retina" resolutions are actually undergoing pixel doubling, which absolutely tanks framerates and render speeds.

Plug it into a 1080p monitor and shut the lid, and you see normal performance on literally everything.

>>61411997
>>61411997
The lack of travel isn't much of a concern. It has a clicky tactile bump, similar to that of an old dumbphone with a flip out keypad.

Trackpoint isnt even a real benefit. Can't do any shortcut gestures with a clitmouse.

Non removable batteries have become the norm for most serious laptops, and self repair isn't something that normies do... they call up the manufacturer and send it in if it's under warranty. Which Apple's mail order is pretty damn good.

Windows is proprietary. Pretty irrelevant since you can install any of the 3 platforms out there on a Mac...

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>>61412027
>>and shut the lid

>macbook turns off
>no option to disable this since it's hardcoded in the throttlebook's bios

>>61412306
Are you actually autistic? Or do you just have permanent brain damage? If the laptop has an external display and power cable plugged in, closing the lid doesn't do anything but disable the internal display.

>>61412334
What if I want something to run in the background and just close the lid?

And calm down, please.

>>61412104
>The lack of travel isn't much of a concern.
Are you kidding? Do you just take any flaw and say it's not much of a concern?
>Windows is proprietary. Pretty irrelevant since you can install any of the 3 platforms out there on a Mac...
Linux isn't, and the latest gen has shit Linux support.

>>61412104
>trackpoint isn't even a benefit. Can't do any shortcut gestures with a clitmouse
>shortcut gesture

Use keyboard shortcuts like everyone else...

>>61411876
Because people buy it anyways.

>>61393222
maybe better in sheer compute performance
but theres a lot more than just compute performance that goes into making a laptop good (or even usable)

>>61401765
i don't understand the point of 4k on a 15-inch screen

>>61399286
Everyone online says that the Elantech track pad uses some really weird i2c protocol and therefore it only works on Windows. It might work with Linux 4.13-rc1 but there could still be issues with how libinput handles it.

>>61415428
Actually, now that I searched around, even the Windows users say that the touch pad drivers are really really bad.

>>61411876
Did you not see the $1799 dual core right next to it?

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>>61392782
I'll just leave this here.

>>61392782
>McThrottlebook
Mheh. Every ultrabook is a joke, MacBook being the biggest of them due to its ridiculously low bang for buck.

>>61412510
>What if I want something to run in the background and just close the lid?
then fucking create your special need by yourself

>>61393203
>downgrade from OSX

Lmao, there isn't anything worse than OSX
Every os besides OSX can be run, and will work, on any device

>>61416141
that's the point, ideally the software and the hardware should be planned to work together by the same company

>>61416151
>ideally the software and the hardware should be planned to work together by the same company
Are you mentally ill? What is Open Source development then?

>>61416141
>OS X is bad because it only runs on computers it's intended to run on
Nah

>>61416151
>actually wants his hardware to become useless on a whim of its manufacturer
Decades of fighting monopolies haven't taught you anything I see.

>>61416204
what is it ? it's a software made by company A, run on a hardware made by company B.

>>61416246
why does monopoly even have to be fought against ? i bet you're a bernfuck.

>>61416264
>I can't think of any reason why one company controlling the entire market is bad for consumers or innovation
>t. brainlet

>>61416302
He can't think, that's it.

>>61416264
Because if they have no competition they have no reason to innovate and can jack up the prices as high as they want.

>>61416302
but it's not the company controlling, it's the market. it's the consumers deciding that that one company is their favourite.

>>61400456
You won't even notice the performance difference of a sata 3 SSD.

Oh no you waste an extra 2s annually on loading times, what horror.

>>61416315
why do you think monopoly equals no competition ? if they jack up the prices, people will stop buying it and they'll either go bankrupt, or there will be new entrants, or both.

economic student here. fucking debate me on how anarcho capitalism is not the best system

>>61416323
>favourite

No wonder you're such a loser, you're a bloody Indian.

>>61416323
And that's why Applel is not a monopoly

http://gazettereview.com/2016/09/10-best-selling-laptop-brands/

>>61416340
>why do you think monopoly equals no competition
Are you honestly fucking retarded? If there's only one company who's going to compete with?

>>61416342
what are you talking about ? man, i thought /g/ was filled with geniuses. no one is being harmed in an industry where there is one company that is so winning.

>>61416340
>economic student here. fucking debate me on how anarcho capitalism is not the best system
Libertarian here, maybe if we have more civilized people. But Liberalism is the way to go with those mongoloids alive.
/economics

>>61401466
Nope. That would be a laptop with quad core Celeron, 4GB ram, 128GB eMMC or SSD, and 1080p ips screen. Preferably 13 inch.

>>61416361
>monopolies are ok because im a fanboy for the monopoly

>>61416358
Monopoly means One company ruling the market, not just one company.
Jesus, you should be a stallmanite.

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>260 replies
TOO EASY
GET MAD

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>>61416348
okay so what's the point here. what do you want to vent about the economy and capitalism ?

>>61416358
why should there only be one company ? you can try to build one your own if you want.

>>61416365
ancap is the best natural selection. unbiased, fair.

>>61416371
monopolies are okay because you shouldn't regulate something only because you're too much of a brainlet to compete. literally centralized laws and regulations are made by cartels filled with you people crying to the government begging to make things easier to accomodate your incompetence.

>>61416373
>according to MY definition you're wrong
Monopoly: the exclusive possession or control of the supply of or trade in a commodity or service.

>>61395687
That's such a macfag thing to say holy shit.
>At first I didn't enjoy the new dildo but now I whenever I have to get fucked with the old one it feels archaic in comparison

>>61416396
but that monopoly is a myth. the only monopoly that can happen is if the government regulated for it. if a supplier (or ALL supplier) actually exclusively sell their products to only one company, it would be VERY risky for them because what if that company failed in making profits ? that's why in a perfectly liberal economy, that thing will never happen because it's illogical for it to happen

>>61416396
>>61416415
and there will be new supplier companies because the market would need more suppliers. monopoly is as mythical as gender pay gap.

>>61416415
>>61416423
Either retarded or uneducated. Probably both.

>>61416415
>>61416423
Here's a real example for you. A company makes hardware and an operating system for it. This hardware doesn't allow running other operating system, even if someone were to write one. The hardware becomes plain unusable when the company decides. Reminds you of anything?

>>61416461
how is that monopoly in the slightest ? by the other retard's definition, there should only be one company in the segment.

monopoly is a very simple fallacy, very easy to debunk.

>>61392782
that looks like some sort of child's toy.

>>61416482
There's only one company making an OS for that hardware and it denies others entering. Same would happen if it were a hardware monopolist - it would deny other companies entering the market.

>>61393919
people like you have ruined us beyond hope of repair.

>>61393936
go away no one likes you.

>>61416496
>There's only one company making an OS for that hardware and it denies others entering
but their actual hardware is from intel etc etc that everyone also buys from.

>Same would happen if it were a hardware monopolist - it would deny other companies entering the market.
how ? suppliers are private companies, they have the right to choose who they want to sell their products to. if that reality actually happens, there will be new supplier companies emerging because of the demand.

>>61416531
>but their actual hardware
Did you just ignore my point or something?
>how
Exclusive contracts. There's more to hardware than just manufacturing it - you have to actually make it available for the customer and have software available for it. There's many levels to pull here.

>>61392782
No libreboot support. Do you even value your freedom, privacy, and security?

Even if they attempted to support it, I don't believe you can remove the Intel NIC that would not be supported by libreboot to replace it with a compatible atheros wireless NIC.

Let's say this is all solved. I still would prefer it to have a trackpoint and no trackpad. The lack of function keys is alarming at first, but as someone who generally uses a 60% keyboard, it's not really a big deal, as long as I can somehow simulate function keys another way.

>>61399480
no, it's 'ai', as in a romanization of the japanese word for love.

>>61399517
W520

>>61416640
>Did you just ignore my point or something?
no i responded to it clearly

>Exclusive contracts
so you want the government to not let private companies choose who they want to work with ? you want the government to go full tyranny on what those companies should be doing with their own products ?

>competitively priced
Nice bait

>>61392782
The best laptop is whatever shitbox you can get for less than $200 on ebay. Laptops are not serious computers.

>>61416695
>no i responded to it clearly
No you did not. I've shown an example of software monopoly, if hardware monopolies weren't banned it would be the same shit. Even with explicit bans there are ways to be an effective monopoly, and it's never led to anything good. So, going way back to the original post - hardware and software manufacturers SHOULD be separated, to allow competition in both fields.

>>61416747
you really should be kept away from positions of power. your tyrannical ideology is crazy and dangerous. regulations like that is immoral and it will make people not want to build businesses in your country. and you'll witness what a poor country looks like.

also you're really clueless about economics so just stay with your computer hobby. the government deciding who private companies can work with, is the most idiotic thing i've heard from a firstworlder. maybe you're a thirdworlder.

>>61392782
>paying 500$ for a os

>>61416806
>the government deciding who private companies can work with, is the most idiotic thing
Heh. Too bad you're living in a country does precisely that.

>>61392782
>god tier keyboard

In what dimension is Apple's absolute trash plastic switch keyboard considered good?

>>61398419
this reeks of iCurry

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>>61399176
>>muh dongols
>(too poor to spend $5)
this is not an argument

>>61392782
If only it didn't thermal throttle like a little bitch

>>61401493
used the 'genius bar' once ever (only ever had one apple product), I made an appointment ahead of time and it wasn't very busy even when I showed up like 5-10 minutes early. I waited on a kind-of uncomfortable stool (the distance to the bar you rest your legs on was a bit odd so it felt like I had to hold my legs up) and a likely-gay (no joke) guy ended up replacing my iPod Touch 4 for free. I had dropped it on a tile floor and cracked it pretty badly. I did a factory reset and brought it in and even without applecare or whatever it's called, I got a free one. He wrote it off as me paying $100 if I recall correctly. My friend who was with insisted that it was because he was probably gay. Overall very positive experience.

I hate to mention the gay guy since that's such a meme, and I actually don't like to mindlessly shit on Apple, but it was really what happened. He was at least flamboyant and probably low-test, that doesn't really mean he was gay I suppose.

>>61401773
>Cons:
>>No Apple logo
Heh. I would remove this and add "very large bezels." I own four ThinkPads that are all sandy bridge or older, and I believe they have smaller bezels, on the sides for sure.

I really wish Apple would stop fucking with intel and just transition macOS towards arm.

Their a-series processors are more than enough to take on intel at this point, just look how much performance they were able to cram into the new iPad Pro

>>61399176
>>but muh keyboard travel height
>(actually has better tactile feedback than other laptop keyboards)
Tell ThinkPads

>>muh big trackpad
>(more gesture room and you can actually click on the entire thing instead of just the bottom two thirds)
>Using gestures on a laptop

>>muh dongols
>(too poor to spend $5)
Sorry if I want my portable computer to be portable

>>but muh LOWER RESOLUTION DISPLAY
>(significant display quality improvement over 1080p and you still get 10 hours of battery)
Boi, the battery lasts 3 hours. If you completely dim the display MAYBE you'll get 10 hours. Meanwhile, my T430 with a ruined battery still lasts more than 6 hours with heavy usage

Never change, applefags.

>>61393100
>and working so well with portable devices that are not Android
So you mean Apple mobile devices right? Because everything else that people use these days is Android.

>>61392782
>>Kaby-lake CPU
trash

>>61416496
Dude, Windows and Linux runs on Macs, they have i86 architecture. Even when they were Power PC there was a BSD OS aviable.

>>61419943
Reread the previous post. It was just an example(both iPhones and locked-down Android phones fit it).

>>61417728
Are you masculine and hairy ? How big is your dick ?

>>61401195
For 1080p gaming it would be fine. Remember most games runs fine on a 3.5GHz Pentium. The macbook probably can't keep those frequencies for long tho, so yeah, it would be a meh experience.

>>61401773
>shit touchpad
>shit battery
enjoy your laptop

>>61392782
>>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support

I'm triggered boys. Macs, by and large, literally don't work with linux or BSD for months until drivers are reverse-engineered or written from scratch. Last I heard, touchpad models are still glitchy piles of garbage, and that even the MacOS drivers for it aren't mature.

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>god-tier keyboard

I typed on a 2015 macbook pro, and that had even more key travel than the new one. And it was still like typing on a touch screen because you can barely feel the keys moving. At this point they might as well just make the whole keyboard a touch bar, which they probably will in the next generation because they don't give a shit about ergonomics.

>>61412306
what? mine sleeps

i have no idea what you're on about

God-tier hardware, shit-tier software.

Every. Single. Time with Apple.

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>>61422351
>God-tier hardware
Good joke.