http://www.pcworld.com/article/3207 747/components/amd-threa

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>>61361475

>>61361490
It's a short you fool

>>61361490
Goldman and etc are probably saying that amd stock wont increase more, while buying tons.
Always do the opposite the Jew says.

>>61361490
>t. butthurt

>>61361490
If AMD sold it for like 2k the stocks would have gone up

>>61361475
>>61361490
AMD isn't trying to line their pockets here, they're trying to disrupt and get a hold on the market again.

>>61361590
It's pretty remarkable how seemingly overnight AMD has completely fucked over Intel. It wasn't that long ago people were saying how efficient and powerful Intel is. And now it's paying out the ass for a slightly faster single core performance in a rapidly increasing multi-core world. And the performance gap is small enough that Intel no longer can justify the premiums they used to charge.

>>61361490
What's 5% for AMD stock? That thing goes up 30% every 10 days.

>>61361836
>goes up
And down

>>61361590
The other part of it is it doesn't matter what they price it at. They could price the 1950X at $300 and still make a sound profit on them. The Threadripper chips only cost them $120 to make. AMD will be fine.

>>61361777
They took a huge risk, developing a new arch from scratch is anything but easy and fast. And they almost bit the dust with bulldozer, it only worked out with the second attempt. Intel will have to do the same at some point.

AMD didn't just design an impressive CPU with zen, the infinity interconnect is just as important. Being able to glue chips together out of predesigned parts and make it work even off die to get around the risks and costs of producing huge monolithic dies is something people have been predicting to happen since more than a decade.

Now that they finally have a competitive product again i hope they'll be able to recover and push their R&D up again. Having competition again is awesome

>>61361983
I like how IF gives AMD the ability to use an insane amount of silicon, theoretically, they could pull off 4x 600mm^2 dies.

That would that put Intel into the stone age, 4S performance in a 1S chip.

That's not gonna happen, AMD isn't in the business of throwing away wafers.
But it's interesting to think about.

>>61361864
by 5%

>>61362035
cooling and pinout set limits to how much you can realistically throw on the same package. The more interesting part for AMD, at least for the close future, is that they're easily able to scale their designs. You see what they're doing now with the 8c zen dies, they feed 3 plattforms with them, which is absolutely insane. Now imagine what they can do should it be relativley easy for them to just glue zen clusters, a GPU and I/O stuff together over their new interconnect. Even if you make it monolithic it extremly cuts down developement time and costs. The APUs and next console chips are just going to be sandbox parts with a fraction of the developement that was needed for comparable stuff earlier.

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ayy lmao

>>61361777
>Intel advertises a lot on TV
>most builds come with Intel
AMD either have to step up in those areas, or the plebs are gonna pleb Intel's way like I have. I'm a simpleton; I don't know much about performance, all I know is that 7's greater than 5 (I learned that in primary school) and that Intel is flashy and on my TV screen while AMD's not.

Fix it.

>>61362207
The 12+ core CPUs are going to be another disaster.

>X299v2 motherboards required, leaving early adapters out in the cold
>200+ watt TDP on the 18 core just to beat TR 16 core
>Forced to use solder to keep the temps under control, pissing off early adapters even more
>Still not even close to worth the price tag

>>61362275
You're implying intel is actually going to do those things. What's far more likely to happen is they're simply going to throw the chips out there with a bios update without actually fixing any of the inherent flaws of the platform or processors all because it's cheaper to do it that way.

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>>61361475
How can they ever recover?

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>>61361490

>>61362207
>TDP N/A
This is not something to be left to the imagination...

>>61362401
TDP figured might as well mean magical unicorn dust to Intel.

>>61362305
Even putting the 165 watt 18 core Xeon the i9 will be based on into an existing X299 mobo would not work .. it's designed (poorly) for 140 watts.

>>61362423
And this is intel we're talking about. They're stupid/greedy enough to do it anyways because they know that the rabid fucking fanboys will buy it anyways.

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>>61362480
Well, it'll be comedy gold if they release an 18 core CPU that loses to a 16 core AMD CPU. And motherboards can't handle even a bit of OC.

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>those new MOAR CORE Intel chips showing worse results than 7700k
>when you're hoping the next Coffee Lake shit won't be a downgrade

I just want the 2500k train I missed out on guys. I milked the q6600 train too long.

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>>61362708
Coffee Lake S will be a sidegrade at best. It's limited to 95 watts so they can't go nuts with the clockspeed.

>>61362708
You want the next 2500k? Wait for R9 3700

>>61362708
You won't get that from Intel until they drop a new arch.

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>>61362207
Corrected version coming through.

You forgot about this new technology that is a feature on all i9 line and helps with the thermals when you need to do some Mega Tasking®, called Delidding®.

>>61361475
How big is that piece of shit lmao?

>>61364614
>piece of shit
>outperforms Intel competitors at half the price
pick one

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>>61364614
Not big enough IMO.

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>>61364614
As big as it wants to be.

>>61362746
But you can overclock the shit out of it.
If kaby lake process hold similar frequency capacities you can make it run near 5ghz easily, good z170 mobos can deliver at least 150amp of power.

>>61365118
There's no guarantee of that. They aren't binning for those clockspeeds, so it's likely you'll cap out way before 5 GHz.

>>61365268
Possible we don't know really until they are released. Someting tells me Intel would purpose design these chips for limited frequency to not eat 7800x market.

So do the ryzen processors increase the performance of the Vegas? Or is that just another classic "AMD promise"?

Always Making Disappointment

>>61364882

lel

>>61364758
>Outperforms
>By a tiny margin

LMFAO nice try pajeet
Intel is still the best in the game.

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>>61361475
brainlets ITT

silicone architecture enthusiasts/experts know AMD this round is a piece of shit. Intel will be the superior choice for anyone who wants to get shit done. I would only recommend AMD to those with very, very, very low income. I'm a game programmer and where I work at if some coworker came in, with an AMD workstation, me and my colleagues would secretly scoff at him and assume he's a poor coder if he can't even afford a top of the line CPU.

pipelines, cores, cache, etc. all need to work together and anyone knows CPUs will choose the likes of Xeons and 7700k's for their computing needs, simply due to how superior they are to other alternatives.

I really thought you guys knew your shit
>this all comes from someone who isn't even a fanboy

>>61365837
>this all comes from someone who isn't even a fanboy
Oh but you sure do fucking act like it.

>>61365837
Shoo Intel shill.

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>mfw years ago this meme is the future

>>61365837
Dumb frogposter

>>61365803
>not first
>somehow the best
??????

>>61365899
It's like fucking 100 points in CineBench

Calm your tits idiot.

>>61365888
>mfw Intel made that meme image because they literally didn't know how to make more coars without turning it into a 20000 dollar clusterfuck

>>61365932
>100 points in CineBench

>>61353569
kek

>>61361777
It's because after Bulldozer Intel immediately started acting like a monopoly. Removing solder from Ivy Bridge was the beginning of the end. Intel expected AMD to die off, that's why Skylake SP is hilariously anti-consumer. They were caught completely off guard.

>>61365837
Silicon. Not silicone, first off. You and your colleagues are shit at what you do in the first place. So your opinion is immediately discarded, secondly. Let me know how Intels MOAR bingbus works for you. While your colleague who actually knows what the fuck he is doing is compiling code, rendering scenes in 4k, and actually getting shit done at a rate faster than you could ever dream of on an Intel. Oh, and by the way, while he's making you look bad for getting more work done faster, he's staying nice and cool while your CPU turns your cubicle in to a sauna. So unless your company is based in Finnland, enjoy looking like the fat greasy sweathog., Goldbond those balls buddy, no one like smegma stink

>>61361983
I imagine how terrifying that could get if they start to make asymmetric shit, like gluing two quad core dies, a quad core sized GPU and a massive dram cache to cheat up everything.

>>61364882
Is this shopped?
I cant even tell anymore

>>61362708
The 2500k only lasted so long because Intel had no competition and no reason to improve. They've milked the Core architecture for too long and they have to push the CPU's to the limits to keep clocks high.We should have been on 6-core CPU's years ago, Intel kept the 6 cores on the high end 2011 boards on purpose to keep them away from the mainstream.

>>61365837
Meanwhile in the real world, they're slower and more expensive.

>>61365888
Nice trips but kinda.
Bulldozer was literally your picture because AMD sacrificed a LOT of the single threaded performance to make moar cores.
Ryzen is a combination of AMD going "wait, this is retarded", with jokefully going into "and what if we used neural networks to solve the branch prediction bullshit? they solve everything" quickly becoming "hey! it actually does work for that lol!"

>>61366073
Why does it matter if the company is based in Finland?

>>61366108
A Threadripper/Epyc sized APU would be fucking insane. 8 core CPU, with a GPU the size of a small Vega XTX. With 2TB of RAM. While you flood those four x16 PCIe lanes with MI25 computation cards.

That is a monster machine.

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>>61366260
>Intel's face when Raven Ridge is one CCX, a 560-equivalent Vega chip and 4GB of HBM2 in one package

>>61366249
Probably because there are something like two million Saunas in Finland, and around 5 million Fins. They love their saunas.

>>61366260
I think AMD's planning on something like that, but they use a pair of 8c dies and slap a beefy GPU with attached HBM on the other half of the package.

>>61366302
And that's just the mobile chip!

>>61365837
> I'm a game programmer
what a faggot

btw, 2017 is the year that Xeons got BTFO, Core i3, i5 BTFO, core i7 literally only worth for gaymen and the Pentium destroyed by the R3.

I honestly didn't expect Intel to loose the IPC battle after several years refining their architecture, but they did. Their only advantage is clock speeds, since Ryzen can't go beyond 4.1GHz. So if you overclock a 7700K to 5.0GHz, yeah, it will be faster than Ryzen on single core loads, otherwise, Intel got rekt.

Epyc was probably the biggest blow tho, Ryzen scaled up so well.

>>61366302
> raven ridge
> HBM2
not happening
> RX560 performance
nope lmao, RX550 tier performance if we're lucky (that would be fucking amazing already).

>>61365837
>silicone architecture enthusiasts/experts know AMD this round is a piece of shit.

CE here, AMD has pulled off something very impressive with IF and this shit has been a dream since I was in school. I didn't expect much more than bulldozer with this arch but its fucking blown me away. Intel is screwed for the time being.

>>61365932
>Being second
>Claiming that's 'the best in the game'

>>61361490
time to buy lads

>>61365837
shit bait how did you get so many replies?

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>>61366422
You know, nobody ever got fired for buying intel.

>>61361510
>Always do the opposite [of what] the Jew says.

This

>>61361490
Explains a lot.

>>61362256
>that Intel is flashy and on my TV screen while AMD's not.
Makes me wonder where amd spends it's money on marketing.

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>>61365888
I lost my shit that AnandTech used that as the overlay subtitle for their story about Threadripper prices today. Well meme'd, guys.

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Let's apply thermal paste.

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>>61367124
lmao

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>>61361490
still 590% up

>>61367177
holky shit

>>61367188
>>61367188
People who bought in at $1.80 made fucking bank. There's someone on overclock.net who dropped in 120k at that price and he's made back over half a mil since then.

>>61366919
They have very little marketing. And what they do have is nearly incompetent.

They spent something like several million dollars on Alien Covenant cross promotion with "Meet Walter" ads.

I wish i could listen the conversations between amazon and intel at this mment.

Must be absolutely hilarious.

>>61367265
that AES engine is a huge deal I think

>>61367299
The intel chips? that are so huge and hard to manufacture AMD can actually sell four chips by the price of one in scale?

>>61364959
>everyone talking about threadripper
>shows a picture of an APU schematic

>>61367443
It's not exactly an APU.
Every C of that is a core.
A real physical core.
This thing on the picture is most likely HUGE.

>>61367469
I wonder for what reason someone would build that, wouldn't it be better to get a separate gpu, and maybe keep the DRAM as L4 cache?

>>61367509
Better interconnects between CPU and GPU.
The longer the connections, the bigger the communication fuck ups and need for serial buses etc etc etc..
Every track is also a bit of a resistor, a bit of a capacitor and a bit of an inductor.

>>61367670
Also a possibility of an GPD win like device that can actually run games.

>>61366659

lel but probably also true

>>61366967
>moar

fucking anandtech

>>61365803
>i7 outperforms R7 by a tiny margin
>"LOL, RYZEN BTFO"

Intel fags will fucking say anything.

>>61366302
Early APU would still be using regular DDR4 memory, however, I do wonder if AMD does have a high end gaming APU under wraps for their second zen based APU iteration. Maybe something like their recent console chips but with zen and hbm.

>>61366967
Is notAnand /ourguy/?

>>61367203
tell me about it. i was looking to buy in in 2015 fuck i didn't i just do it

>>61365837
>talks about non-gaming stuff
>recommends 7700k
I'm pretty sure you're just retarded.

>>61365837
>pipelines, cores, cache, etc. all need to work together and anyone knows CPUs will choose the likes of Xeons and 7700k's for their computing needs, simply due to how superior they are to other alternatives.
Really stirred my brain fluid

>>61365888

Its not called a 'meme' you fucking Plebbitor.

>>61365837
Good pasta.

Much needed for AR / VR content creation workstations. A new golden age of entertainment is dawning.

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>>61362708
I'm still using [email protected] and it's still good in gaymes. You can buy one from chinks for ~80$.

That explains the Jewtel assblast.
That's going to nibble at bottom line

Requesting the breakdown image of GloFlo, intel, and Samsung's upcoming nodes.

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>>61368841
GloFo's is only temporary until EUV hits 2 quarters latter

>>61369598
>Intel 10nm
>1Q-17
kek

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>>61371129
Daily reminder.

>>61371178
>intel's 5nm
would they even survive enough time to finish R&D on that?

>>61371233
are you retarded? Intel has 10 years of selling to moronic IT managers in front of them no matter how much they suck. tons and tons of leeway there. plus they still have a tech lead (until further Zen revisions at least) and can get by on Apple-tier practices.

it takes a buttload to kill even an AMD-sized company.

>>61368719
im on the 2500k still as well
i think i will upgrade to the next generation threadripper from aymed though
even if the 2500k definitely is good for another four years or so

Intel is coming out with a new arch soon anyway
With i9 they judt throw out the rest of the old silicon they still have.
Intel has like 10x the manpower and actually builds processor's themselves instead of letting pajeets do it for them. I bet half the technology in ryzen is stolen directly from core series processor's via reverse engineering. AMD just isn't good enough. I'm not saying AMD should go bankrupt and I'm not even a Intel fanboy. Actually I don't even have a notebook or PC anymore , only tablet and smartphone. Everyone who thinks AMD can beat Intel is a daydreamer. Just look at AVX512, AMD doesn't even come close.

>>61371521
>2021
>soon

>muh avx512
amd has real gpus for HPC sweetie, they don't need that housefire abortion

>>61371521
This pasta is getting stale already. https://rbt.asia/g/thread/61353114/#61359488

>>61361475
What I would really like to see now is an AMD competitor to the pentium G. Intel will be limiting supply and price will go way up so it won't be hard to underpice intel and still make a profit.

>>61371677
ryzen 3 will be hopefully pentium/i3 competitor
hopefully pentium priced

>>61371701
Is ryzen 3 unlocked like the pentium g?

>>61371677
Ryzen 3 and Raven Ridge APUs will definitely compete there.
>>61371720
G4560 is not unlocked, All Ryzen CPUs are unlocked.

>>61365118
No power supplies made since like 2012 deliver anywhere near 100amps on any +12V rail

>>61371441
>even if the 2500k definitely is good for another four years or so
Golden sample 3570k here, you're full of shit. Quad cores like the 7700k will start to show their age on the next two years. They're already showing their age now using all of their cores at 100%, it can only get worse from here on out.

>>61371441
Minimum if you want to stick with Sandy Bridge is i7-2600K. i5-2500K is already obsolete.

>>61372378
>he isn't using a core 2 quad Q6600
heh what a pleb

more like assripper, get fukt inlel

>>61361910
>selling a $120 chip for $999
Woah, kikes.

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>>61365837
>game programmer

Aka code monkey - not an electrical or computer engineer.

Opinion irrelevant.

>>61361490
now zoom out a bit you humongous retard

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>>61365837
>mfw this bait got so many replies

>>61361510
If anyone where buying tons of AMD right now their shares wouldn't be worth shit. Supply and demmand. That being said - I picked up some shares now.

>>61362708
kaby lake and coffee lake are still a very large improvement over 2500k and they blow q6600 out of the water

>>61373831
>If anyone where buying tons of AMD right now their shares wouldn't be worth shit. Supply and demmand.
the "supply" is practically fixed fucking burger kill yourself

>>61362390
Kek

>>61373832
Until you take overclocking into account and realize Intel has made a whopping 20-25% improvement over the past 6 years ..

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>>61373931

>tfw no Bulldozerized Zen CPU with vestigial FP capability but an on-package Vega GPU with functioning HBCC and tile-based rendering, and 32GB of shared HBM2
AMD should make these things and then put them on PCIe addon cards so you can just add moar coars whenever you feel like it.

BOY TR SUPPORTS EVEN 128GB LR-DIMMS.
I MEAN SAID DIMMs COST LIKE THREE TIMES THE CPU ITSELF BUT THE POSSIBILITY OF 1TB MEMORY PER SOCKET IS AMAZING.

>>61374101
b-but muh optane ..

>>61374502
Apache Pass NVDIMMs are basically unobtanium now and Optane endurance is horse turd.