What OS is the best and why is it debian? >so obsessed with

>works with bsd, linux or hurd
>works on arm, x86, powerpc, mips, sparc and more

>>61089396
fucks up everytime you try to update

>>61089490
>needing updates

>>>/r/archlinux

>>61089490
>I'm a single digit

If it only didn't use systemd

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>>61089396
Linux Manjaro.

>>61089582


I’d just like to interject for moment. What you’re refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!

I agree that it's overall the best and most functional. There are many other fine choices, depending on what you want exactly.

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too stable

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>>61089582
>Linux Manjaro.

pls

tails/ubuntu/steamos/omv are all based on debian it so they are doing something right op!

>>61089421
hnnng!

my pants seem to be getting tighter...

>>61089603

1/2

No, Richard, it's 'Linux', not 'GNU/Linux'. The most important contributions that the FSF made to Linux were the creation of the GPL and the GCC compiler. Those are fine and inspired products. GCC is a monumental achievement and has earned you, RMS, and the Free Software Foundation countless kudos and much appreciation.

Following are some reasons for you to mull over, including some already answered in your FAQ.

One guy, Linus Torvalds, used GCC to make his operating system (yes, Linux is an OS -- more on this later). He named it 'Linux' with a little help from his friends. Why doesn't he call it GNU/Linux? Because he wrote it, with more help from his friends, not you. You named your stuff, I named my stuff -- including the software I wrote using GCC -- and Linus named his stuff. The proper name is Linux because Linus Torvalds says so. Linus has spoken. Accept his authority. To do otherwise is to become a nag. You don't want to be known as a nag, do you?

(An operating system) != (a distribution). Linux is an operating system. By my definition, an operating system is that software which provides and limits access to hardware resources on a computer. That definition applies whereever you see Linux in use. However, Linux is usually distributed with a collection of utilities and applications to make it easily configurable as a desktop system, a server, a development box, or a graphics workstation, or whatever the user needs. In such a configuration, we have a Linux (based) distribution. Therein lies your strongest argument for the unwieldy title 'GNU/Linux' (when said bundled software is largely from the FSF). Go bug the distribution makers on that one. Take your beef to Red Hat, Mandrake, and Slackware. At least there you have an argument. Linux alone is an operating system that can be used in various applications without any GNU software whatsoever. Embedded applications come to mind as an obvious example.

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>>61089690

>>61089746
2/3


Next, even if we limit the GNU/Linux title to the GNU-based Linux distributions, we run into another obvious problem. XFree86 may well be more important to a particular Linux installation than the sum of all the GNU contributions. More properly, shouldn't the distribution be called XFree86/Linux? Or, at a minimum, XFree86/GNU/Linux? Of course, it would be rather arbitrary to draw the line there when many other fine contributions go unlisted. Yes, I know you've heard this one before. Get used to it. You'll keep hearing it until you can cleanly counter it.

You seem to like the lines-of-code metric. There are many lines of GNU code in a typical Linux distribution. You seem to suggest that (more LOC) == (more important). However, I submit to you that raw LOC numbers do not directly correlate with importance. I would suggest that clock cycles spent on code is a better metric. For example, if my system spends 90% of its time executing XFree86 code, XFree86 is probably the single most important collection of code on my system. Even if I loaded ten times as many lines of useless bloatware on my system and I never excuted that bloatware, it certainly isn't more important code than XFree86. Obviously, this metric isn't perfect either, but LOC really, really sucks. Please refrain from using it ever again in supporting any argument.

Last, I'd like to point out that we Linux and GNU users shouldn't be fighting among ourselves over naming other people's software. But what the heck, I'm in a bad mood now. I think I'm feeling sufficiently obnoxious to make the point that GCC is so very famous and, yes, so very useful only because Linux was developed. In a show of proper respect and gratitude, shouldn't you and everyone refer to GCC as 'the Linux compiler'? Or at least, 'Linux GCC'? Seriously, where would your masterpiece be without Linux? Languishing with the HURD?

>>61089768
3/3

If there is a moral buried in this rant, maybe it is this:

Be grateful for your abilities and your incredible success and your considerable fame. Continue to use that success and fame for good, not evil. Also, be especially grateful for Linux' huge contribution to that success. You, RMS, the Free Software Foundation, and GNU software have reached their current high profiles largely on the back of Linux. You have changed the world. Now, go forth and don't be a nag.

Thanks for listening.

>>61089746
>1/2
>>61089768
>2/3
>>61089780
>3/3

fix your pasta pls

>>61089788
I thought I cut about half of it for the first post and could put the rest in the second post heh.

>>61089396
Time efficient and just works.

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>>61089690

>>61089396
Debian is not an OS. Debian is bloatware you install on top of Linux because you are a baby and your hand still needs holding.

>Gnu/Linux
I like my os without Stallman's bloatware

>>61089702
what are you doing please stop that

>>61090070
>>61089702

that literally what Manjaro LXQt looks like by default

>>61089702
horrible

whoever makes shit like this should just kill himself immediately

>>61089755
Tehehee

>>61089490

Just use stable, you cockmongler.

>>61089396

Debian was very good until the NSA/systemd debacle.

Devuan is the way to go now.

>>61089533
sudo apt-get install openrc
sudo /sbin/reboot
sudo apt-get remove --purge --auto-remove systemd

pin to prevent redownloading
its that easy

>>61089396
What OS is the best and why is it Xubuntu?

> it just works

>>61089533
You can install any init system you want. Install Devuan to prevent the accidental installation if systemd as an unnecessary dependency.

>>61089396
>nothing works because every thing you need is in an update that came out 2 years ago but isn't in Debian yet

>>61089490
I've been using Debian since 3.0 (sarge) and have done upgrades and dist-upgrades. I've never had a problem.

I use stable on servers and testing on laptop/desktop. I used to pin testing/unstable 900/300, but in the last few years testing has had all I need.

>>61089396
Just werks™, super easy to install, doesn't interfere with my work, and I've never actually needed to update anything important while running it. The few times I decided to update anyway it did so perfectly fine and I've never had to worry about anything not working ever. Plus it's FOSS out-of-the-box, and it's not Fedora, so that's a plus in my book.

>>61090309
I use stable and backports, some particular software I install from sources.

>>61089690
>>61089755
I’d just like to interject for moment. What you’re refering to as Debian Linux is in fact Debian GNU/Linux, Debian GNU/Hurd, and Debian GNU/kFreeBSD, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, Debian. Debian Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather a free, deblobbed component of a fully functioning Debian system made useful by dpkg and apt, the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the Debian system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of Debian which is widely used today is often called Ubuntu, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the Debian system, developed by the Debian Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is one possible kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Debian Linux is normally used in combination with the Debian GNU operating system: the whole system is basically Debian: GNU with Linux added, or Debian GNU/Linux. The so-called Debian Linux distribution is really the distribution Debian GNU/Linux, Debian GNU/Hurd, or Debian GNU/kFreeBSD!

>>61090142
Devuan website is shit. What does it add over Debian with sysvinit and systemd-shim installed?

>>61089396
Nsa loves you using it too

>>61090396
Thank you bases NSA for keeping our society safe from Muslim suicide bombers, paedos and heroine dillers.

>>61089525
kek

Debianfags BTFO

>>61090426
Thank you Arch kids for free beta testing of the Desktop user experience.

>>61090367
hi stallman pls can you finish gnu/hurd

>>61090426
Uhh, what is pacman for if not updates?

>>61090384

>Devuan website is shit.

Ow wow. I hate Devuan now!

>>61090453
https://lists.debian.org/debian-hurd/2017/06/msg00017.html

GNU Hurd is at version 0.9, so I guess at this rate it'll be done in three short years.

Tbh I run Debian and still build most of my packages. It's just the best platform if you don't want to kill yourself maintaining it, and there have been people successfully experimenting the other way too.

>>61090959


This.

Debian means no troubles ever.

>>61090054
>i hate gnu
>too stupid for a valid argument

do you even know what userland means?

But does it run on a ryzen system?

>>61090959
underrated post.

>>61089533
>muh unix principles

fuck off