>Watching old school tech dying out. >Nu-tech replacing

Yes. Being a luddite who can't accept positive change.

Anyway phones 5 years ago looked much like they do today, but smaller and shittier.

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>>61041118
>old school
>Nu

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>>61041118
>getting constantly ridicule for having flip phone in the current year of 2017
no, you cant pull up your phone to answer a call or text in public places without hipsters and normies taking notice

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The days of actually good phone design are gone, OP

>you will never have one of these with modern specs

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>>61041124
>>61041124
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>positive

indeed SO P R O G R E S S I V E

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>>61041118

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>tfw big tech is interbreeding computers and phones and fucking both up in the process to create a poorly functioning, book-sized piece of shit with a touchpad that cracks unless you keep it locked in a fucking vault.

>>61041169
>wew way to make yourself ultra reliant on one thing without the possibility of alternatives or any other choices in case something gets fucked up.

W E W

>>61041193
Because learning how to use scizzors is so hard...

>>61041142
tfw watching old lolis dying out and being replaced by nu-lolis that can't even fucking hold their hands properly. like what is this dumbass doing?

>>61041276
koma-chan isnt a loli, she's 14

>>61041296
isn't loli a body type? otherwise all the 1000 year old vampire ones would be fair game. plus even at 14 she's still a brainlet.

I had my flip phone for 7 years.
It could be argued that this is a positive economic change.
But it mainly benefits China.

>>61041154

>Get called out for being a luddite and being autistic over objectively superior phones

>BUH BUH MUH MAC PRO XDDDDDD

Jesus you're a retard, ultimately, nothing is stopping you from buying a Moto Razr and using it to pretend like anyone would actually want to talk to you.

>>61041182
I've dropped my moto g3 (in a plastic case ofc) probably over 100 times and it has nary a scratch

>>61041400
I've dropped my G2 once and it died. What is your argument?

>>61041169
I have that IBM PS/Note.

>>61041330
sure but shes to tall to be a loli, ren-chon is a loli, koma is not

>>61041421
Put a condom on your phone

>>61041118
>left: screens turned on, some shown from the back
>right : screens turned off, all shown from the front

>>61041118
>Is there a worse feeling, /g/?
A wet fart
Your mom calling your name as you're nutting
Putting socks on when your feet are wet

Watching technology stay stagnant

How can anyone say smartphones are an improvement on anything when they're just dumb laptops with super shitty keyboards that you get to replace yearly?

>>61041752
Worst post of 2017? Maybe.
A contender? Definitely.

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>>61041701
>Putting socks on when your feet are wet
worse on the list

>>61041837
worst*

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>2017
>virtual keyboards still suck

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It's always 2004 for me

>>61042030
Model? That looks cool, need it for my collection.

>>61041118
blackberry on the bottom right of the left set is god tier, had that all of high school

>>61041182
I have a 4 year old Moto X that would like a word with you

>Posting from it

>>61041752
...

>>61041169
when will apple finally make an app to replace my sunglasses?

>>61042296
It's called f.lux broski

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>>61042296
Here you go, bro

wow smartphones have absolutely no character and only makes you an autist that has to shop for accessories like cases or skins to add any on. old phones at least came with character built in and included in the price. apple truly ruined the world, shouldve just stuck with making fucking computers stupid ipod kills audio manufacturers now smartphones killing western society. steve jobs was the god damn antichrist

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>>61042195
Nokia 9500 bro

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>>61042296

>>61041154
That's apple. Nobody but the two fags of the board like apple. We all know apple are the old men of technology (always behind the times)

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>>61041169
Let's just throw the entire fucking maternity ward out with the bathwater. Why not.
I hate the minimalism meme. I have half a mind that it's some kind of psyop to suck all the joy and colour out of life. When people are living in white coffins stacked up the ceiling, minimalism will finally reach it's retarded end.

>>61041118
>"look ma! I put nu- in front of it so people know I don't like it!"

>new is bad because it's not old
>old is good because it's old
i hate people who do this

>>61042489
fuck off shill id rather use a fax machine i own then use some gmail app that mines data

>>61042512
not him but
>shill
>fax machine

not sure if tinfoil grandpa or bait

>>61041118
if you think old tech is better than new tech your brain and personality are officially old and you will gradually lose relevance to the rest of the world. technology always gets better brainlet that's what makes it technology

>>61042456
I think it's a way to hate yourself. My mother used to clean my desk so there was nothing on it and I couldn't find shit.

The useful sfuff floats to the surface.

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>>61041118

>>61041118
>he wants more colored plastic instead of screen real estate
>he want gimmicky opening mechanisms instead of solid candy bar phones
Anon you can be a dirty flip phone pajeet anytime you want
We don't care
You should especially feel bad because this is coming from a blackberry passport user.
Stop being a delusional toddler and pick a case or skin or something if you really want colors and shit because you're autistic to use something that has muted colors

>>61042456
You know anon, thanks for reminding me why I bought a blue XZ, if for no other reason it stands out amongst all the black white and silver

I'm really just not looking forward to the loss of tactile buttons. Covering portions of my screen to choose things while getting oil everywhere sucks ass.

>>61044772
"Intel Atom Inside"

Kill me.

>>61044772
Yeah the dock thingy is cool but other than that I don't see what went wrong. Maybe the screens got too big, but that's just me.

>>61041118
these fullscreen phones would actually be really fucking good
but instead they make them wider than even 90s era phones, while being just as heavy and even easier to break.
what kind of dumbass wants some fuckhuge phone they cant hold with one hand let alone fit in their goddanm pockets?
unless you're some dumbass hoodlum who wears nothing but sweats with pockets deep enough to steal half the merchandise in a convenience store

>>61042379
Phones today are an objective improvement in every way

>>61044772
How is top better. That glasses thing is gimmicky bullshit

>>61042456
>When people are living in white coffins stacked up the ceiling
that's a scary possibility.
reminds me of the movie surrogates, everyone just uses robots to live out their lives while already being in their coffin simply waiting for death

far more efficient than our current system

>>61041766
he's right you know..

>>61047106
About what? I keep rereading that post and can't seem to find one thing he got right.

>all phones now have the same form factor: big wide screen panel, fingerprint sensor, front and back camera
>new phone comes out
>people shit themselves because it "copied" or "stole" the design of another phone
It's a fucking slate people.

>>61042379
Fuck "Western society"

Go watch more grown men play with rubber balls.

>>61047126
phones these days tout being full blown pcs in your pockets! (essencially a laptop that's shrunk)
only that they're too slow, the programs are too shit, to actaully replace a laptop, so essentially they're just dumb laptops that don't even fit in your fucking pocket anymore.

>>61047192
and what do you do in your culture?
marry children?
lop off heads on broadcast television?

>>61047448
A smartphone isn't essentially a laptop that's shrunk. Smartphones don't use clamshell designs and don't run desktop operating systems. They're a completely different thing.
Can't believe I'm explaining this to a grown ass person

>>61047855
they're capable of being that. and the fact that they're nothing but shitty toys instead of being able to do anything productive with
shows it's nothing more than a phone capable of displaying HD porn

>>61047885
What kind of productivity features do phones lack?

>>61047909
decent software.
but eh, that's just my opinion man

>>61041118
>is there a worse feeling
Yeah, when people won't drop their rose-tinted glasses and it impairs their judgement.

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>>61046995
It exists
And it's pretty fucking good
My zenfone 2 is about 2 years old and it is chugging along amazingly
It's just as good as the newest phones now and I love it

>>61048024
That's a qt grill. You're a lucky man, man

>>61048055
You'll find a good girl
Just don't be a cunt and don't be too nice
When they say you are too nice it means you are being too emotional, they have enough of their own emotions to deal with so just be a man

>>61044391
no, technology regresses.
let's look at a modern web page, was there any need for 7-20mb of javascript?

the cellphone, I want to talk to people on the go... ok, I fail to see the point because when I am out I have shit to do and don't want to be bothered, but besides that, they were good.

Now these fuckers are many peoples everything but a phone, so the moment they need to make a call... oh shit, no battery.

if you don't see programs legitimately getting worse as they go on and get further developed you are god damn retarded or a fucking liar, pick one.

technology regresses all the fucking time, hell those old brick phones would be the best cell phones currently on the market for reception if the towers did not specifically block them now.

>>61047080
the glasses worked however every person in public freaks the fuck out if they actually look different/think they are being recorded when they have no right to privacy.

look, If I can wear something and it will superimpose directions into my sight, or translate shit on a sign in front of me, I could give a fuck what I look like.

>>61047043
found the woman who doesn't want to admit she is a size 10 and not a size 8

>>61047983
phones on left are phones and don't break easy
phones on right are media devices first and break by blinking to hard.

>>61049401
>if you don't see programs legitimately getting worse as they go on and get further developed you are god damn retarded or a fucking liar, pick one.

survivorship bias

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Don't get me wrong, you're already chock full of neo-luddite shit pining for whatever garbage you had when you were relevant. But do you actually know the first fucking thing about any of the phones on the left?

You are actually pretending that the n-gage wasn't a massive cancerous failure. Remember how you had to carry a screwdriver, just to change games in it? Remember how you had to hold the entire thing sideways to have a phone call? of course you don't because you have earthbound disease in which you only remember the slightly good parts and forget everything else. 90% of the razer phones died because they were too thin for their time and weren't designed properly. Rest of the phones there are just hipster bullshit that would suck ass if you actually had things to do and needed to quickly use it.

if you want to keep being a retarded poor hipster, instead of being a clueless douchebag and pining for a past you didn't actually experience, go GSM and go for the chinese market. Pic related will be sure to get lots of looks in starbucks

>>61044772
>>61047002
This one again! You made this image to ignore the reality that everything in the top is and was possible in 2012. $5 MHL cable, $5 powered USB hub, any keyboard and mouse you want. You can also use this magic wireless technology called "DLNA". Tiny ass slide out physical keyboards are shit, you'd know this if you ever actually used one to do any serious task that isn't butt diddling. swype/alternative is superior. you don't "program" on your UMPC, because you are a loser.

By the way, for every incarnation of flip phones, the bottom part with the kid was true as well.


>>61049401
This was true in 2010, you kind of need to get out of that year, except you can't because you're a shitty neo-luddite. $80 phones have batteries that last weeks now, and much longer if you use it just like your shitty dumb phone and only make phone calls on it. This is about the same as saying an old laptop will get longer battery life when you don't know that ACPI exists or processors have their own power management.

Did you know that once you download a javascript library, it makes a local copy, so that you won't have to ever download it again between sites?

of course you don't because you just pretend that javascript doesn't exist and you go full tech creationist. stop making these threads. you don't have a clue as to how anything works and you are repeating exactly what your grandparents did where they won't accept computers and just fight them for 3-4 decades.

>>61042379
>it's apple's fault that everybody else went with their design

>>61049967
>>61049848
retarded millenial piece of shit detected

>>61041124
>positive change
>muh diversity
>everything is the same fucking thing

K

>>61050443
they hate having their data mining apps being threatened by old tech that doesn't need the stupid apps to begin with

>>61049490
>woman
you're in the wrong place dumbass, there are no girls on the internet.

>>61047735
on /g he probably chooses to take shits on the street

>>61050362
nice comeback asshat
Just FYI boomers have moved the goalposts on that shitty label to be from 1975 and up. You are most likely also a "millennial".

There's nothing that any dumb phone can do that a $60 android can't do at least 10 times better. Sucks to be stuck in the past just like your grandparents but I guess it makes it even easier for me to make more money since you're far and clear out of any market. Have fun jacking off on IRC.

>>61041118
you bought an n-gage, didn't you?
>>61049490
irrelevant, women's pants don't have pockets

>>61042456
>i have half a mind
fucking hate autists like you your life is a meme

>>61047909
If you can do anything with a computer, you can with a phone.

Just requires firmware flashing and painful months of waiting for an exploit by a pajeet that lets you barely root your device through several complex layers of obscurity. And the willing time to flash an Ubuntu image onto your internal flash and prepping the SD card with it.

Oh yeah, and a way to actually hook up a mouse and a keyboard.

>>61041169
where did the printer go

>>61051464
>Mouse and keyboard
t. never used USB-OTG

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>>61052549
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>>61051311
>>60$ android.
welcome to "how to read prices for babbies".

Are you actually autistic?
I may have fun on my IRC, but you can have fun being Google and Apple's meat puppet for whenever they feel like milking some money out of your asshole.
Let's do some simple math.
>fliphone costs 30$.
>smartphone costs 700$.
>smartphone is "10x better".
>700/30 = 23
If it ain't 23 times better, and I mean BETTER, not just have a shitty gimmick like a larger screen or "OOOOOH MORE APPS FOR ME TO SPEND MONEY ON!!!", MAYBE I'll consider getting one.

>>61053107
>trade in your easily navigated, and as is products
>for easily hacked, updatable (aka removal of key features, design choices you fucking hate etc), overpriced "apps" on a small as fuck low res thousand dollar shitposting machine

can't hold onto anything as these shitpost machines are made to break before their usefullness has even past. so you'll have to "update" eventually anyway even if you absolutely do not want to and very much preffer to more feature rich designs.

>>61053194
This.
Planned obsolescence is the main thought in mind when making a modern gadget.

>>61041124
>saying the word "luddite"
Get off your high horse faggot.

>>61053107
I opened this up expecting to get mad but actually a lot of that kind of made sense

>>61041124
You think using consumer technology like smartphones makes you literate?

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>tfw I don't and never will have a generic glass slate

>>61041118
>posts multi-coloured old phones
>posts all new black phones
cherrypicked as fuck

>>61054606
how can you see anything other than plastic/aluminum bezels on new phones?
even then you can clearly see there's plenty of silver/white ones

are you just a racist?

>>61041118
Based Blackberry

>>61041118
Man... That old tech is ugly as fuck

>>61054731
Man... You have shit taste.

>>61054631
>not knowing how human psychology works
How's the low IQ going Shakalaka Raj Zulu?

>>61054751
>Ugly slow plastic
>Fast premium Glass/Aluminum

>>61053194
didn't even mention the fact that now any of that info, any of those devices you wanted to use
are now documented for the world to see

>>61041118
5 years ago was 2012. you mean more like 10 years ago

>>61054757
>ugly
Again, shit taste.
>pretending your cellphone's a soopercomputer
ebin

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>>61054790
This here is a computer powerd by the Galaxy S8

>>61054814
might as well go full blown homo and get a imac

>>61054814
That there is fucking retarded.

>>61054790
>>61054751
Nah you are the one with the shit taste pal. I can't even imagine how filthy your house must be.

>>61054814
that's sexy as fuck. wish there were more like it.
>easily carry work on phone/sdcard
>can easily switch work stations without bringing anything but your phone

>>61054825
your single mother's apartment isnt a house

>>61054825
>thinks generic glass slates look good
>claims others have shit taste
kek

>>61054814
so convenient for business/enterprise
fags and their ultra minimalism fad that's been going on since the double 0s will love it

>>61054836
My mom isn't single and we have separate houses.

>>61054814
That's a Galaxy S8 on a dock

>>61054886
The dock is connected to the monitor you subhuman shit head, which the phone powers and with bluetooth keyboard mouse

>>61054903
and the galaxy s8 is the smartphone aka a pc with telephone radios in it

>>61054814
>>61054823
>>61054824
>>61054834
>>61054853
>>61054886
If this were to advance and be very powerfull with lots of application support it could kill the Laptop and Surface Book entierly when people have mini pc's in their pockets

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Replace it with Nu-old tech

>>61054908
>Dock connects to monitor
>Place S8 on dock
>Connect Keyboard and Mouse via bluetooth
>Whole new interface
>Just turned your phone into a pc and it werks
Is it rocket science for you dumbshits?

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>>61054913
>only input is a touchscreen
Sure phones are basically mini PCs, but they're utter trash.

>>61054913
why not just implant a computer into your nutsack while youre at it

>>61054913
dude they already could and should.
but foldable/rollup screens aren't on the market just yet. and having a stationary workspace without a desk is a real pain when trying to sync everything at once. and wireless still sucks too much to cast the screen to your monitor

>>61054903
A monitor, keyboard, and mouse does not a computer make.

>>61054917
i'd just breakoff the display and use the touchscreen.
literally the perfect fucking size right there, maybe needs to be a little longer.

>>61054929
see >>61054920
you fucking retard with the IQ below 90

>>61054932
>AKA modern smart phones

>>61054929
The phone itself already is a computer, adding a monitor, keyboard, and mouse just makes it a better (but still shitty) one.

>>61054929
the cpu/gpu/memory are what make it a pc. which guess what, every phone has

>>61053194
>updatable (aka removal of key features, design choices you fucking hate etc)

It's really cute to watch someone claw at the bottom of the barrel to try and spin updating things so they stop being irrelevant with time as a bad thing.

>>61054929
you sound like my friend saying his ip cam isn't a computer until i built a rust toolchain for it

>>61054937
yeah because that thin as fuck flip screen is totally the same size and as ergonomic as modern phones.

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Are people on /g/ living under a rock? How do you not know this exists
Look it up on Jewtube

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>>61047043
way to let everyone know you are a manlet.

normal fucking smart phones are too small for me but the samsung note series is the perfect size for me.

feels good being able to hold it with one hand and use the whole screen with my thumb

>>61054948
don't fix what isn't broken.
don't alienate your userbase
don't force them to use features they don't want
and stop forcing telemetry and spying into everything.

but ayy minimalism is the current fad right? fuck functionality and ergonomics!

the endgame is to get people to implant tiny pcs right into their bodies while wearing google glass like shit to be able to interact with it glass development ceased because (((they))) wanted VR to be introduced before the final iteration of the technology that is an implant that connects every human being on the planet to the internet

>>61054957
>How do you not know this exists
Not everyone spends their free time wanking to cellphones

>>61054959
>normal fucking smart phones are too small for me but the samsung note series is the perfect size for me.
LOL found the retarded shillfag.
when you realize you can't fit your fagphone in your pockets after forgetting your man purse you'll see why fuckhuge phones are such an utter waste of space/comfort

also would love to see you try touching all four corner of your screen without moving anything but your thumb
pix or it didn't happen y'kno?
hard mode:have the phone comfortably in your hand (and firmly enough to move your hand any whichway without it dropping and breaking because it weighs 3 pounds)

>>61054974
>it uses your bodies natural electrical systems to power it
this might actually be a decent idea..

>>61054994
also flip phones protect the screen from car keys because duh its in a closed position while in your pocket and if youre not an autist the exterior getting scuffed shouldnt even bother you

>>61054959
>>61054994
I have the S8+
Sometimes I think it's a bit small

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>>61054994
my pockets are hueg and can easily fit my phone because im a 6 foot 4 monstrosity m8 while you are just a pussy ass manlet

>>61054987
Or not being a retard and not knowing current technology

>>61047043
>t. a 4ft1 midget

>>61055018
Again, not everyone spends their free time wanking to cellphones

>>61054994
Cargo pants

>>61055019
>>61055017
i love this manlet meme
only people i've ever seen irl use these phones are tiny asian women and 5'8 men.
it's as if they're overcompensating for something.. or something, y'kno?
woah, i just realized.. you faggots are projecting. projecting harrrrd

>>61054994
>when you realize you can't fit your fagphoneI used to carry an 8" tablet in my pocket

>>61055003
if you want to be a slave its perfect but if you dont then you wont be able to use financial systems therefor you wont be able to function in society without a job that cant pay you if you opt out of the financial system where your body such as a fingerprint acts as samsung pay and youll either die as a vagrant that cant survive off the grid due to the effects of climate change making anything outside of a building near impossible to survive thanks to trump

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>>61055035
>wearing cargo pants past high school

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>>61055039
>>61054994


thats a full size keyboard fyi manlet

>>61055044
trump wants to build a solarpanel wall
fuck you he's going to save america from the hoard of south american criminals, and save the planet while loosening oils grips on humanity

win win.

>>61055043
>i'll never need to bring my phone with me to a proffessional setting where i can't wear sweatpants
>i'll never need to be at any event which requires me to look presentable
it must be nice being a faggot NEET with no friends

>>61055072
so you're fat... how is that supposed to help your case?
have yet to see you try holding the phone comfortably in your hand while talking all four corner with that same hand.

>>61055089
what trump says is the exact opposite of what will actually happen like making america great again? hes fast tracking the countrys demise to accelerate the new world orders global govt rollout and putin being one of the richest men if not the richest known person in the world currently will throw his country under the bus just like trump because both men's wealth will be more secure under a one world govt

>>61055116
>fat makes your hands bigger

you got me there with your science m8

>>61055103
>i'll never need to bring my phone with me to a proffessional setting where i can't wear sweatpants
I only wear jeans, and my phone fits in every pair. If I wore skinny jeans it might be an issue, but I'm not a faggot and I'd never be wearing those in a professional setting either way.
>i'll never need to be at any event which requires me to look presentable
Jeans are fine for most shit, if I had to go more formal, I'd still have no issue carrying my phone in a pocket.

>>61055118

blabla

>>61051464
>Just requires firmware flashing and painful months of waiting for an exploit by a pajeet

Honestly thought you were talking about iOS there. Had to wait 6 months for my iphone 6 to become usuable again. Never moving from 9.1.2 ever... Also somethin headphone jack something something 24bit lossless Audio

>>61055123
Are you honestly implying that it doesn't?

>>61041357
>>61041124
How do I become like this?
I want to be an anti-circlejerker too. The superiority must be euphoric.
Post-ironically.

>>61055066
>caring about fashion at all

Enjoy your slave mentality you fucking suburbanite faggot

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>>61055144
I'm fat and my hands are k-on small.

>>61055118
and what have you done to make america great?
you ever try protecting border states from violent criminals, human traffickers, weapon smugglers?
you doing anything about oil's deathgrip on the world?
no? you're just a worthless shitposter afterall?
go figure..

>>61055129
phone, wallet, keys, condoms
men with jobs actually need the realestate in their pockets, and not for one fuckhuge phone pulling their pants down the entire time.

>>61055155
t.monkey neet

there's less charm now but at least most phones are capable of the same things with no shit like proprietary chargers

>>61055191
our drug war fueled the drug cartels south of the border to reign terror on their own countrymen without impunity from the elite because they fall under the elite umbrella

I wish the Lumia era Nokia made android phones :(

>>61041357
sim cards, radio bands changing, degradation of the phone or battery

there's plenty of reasons why you can't use old ass flipphones anymore anon..

>>61041118
This image depict reality.
The ol' phones are all colorful and with strange form factors, and they seem less conformist, while the new phones are all black rectangles, printed in masses.
But the screens on the new ones are all off, otherwise they would show much more color and present a real comparison and will show the what we achieved in terms of complexity and screen-to-bezel ratio

>>61055205
I have a job that probably pays more than whatever McJob you're currently working at

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>>61055223
this

>>61055219
anyone who tries to end the war on drugs will be assassinated by religeous nutjobs, cops, drug dealers, lawyers, judges, the entire prison industry, worldwide all of these people will be losing so much money that nobody who attempts it will be safe after succeeding.

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>>61055238
actually, go a bit further back to the N9/L800 days

>>61055204
>phone, wallet, keys, condoms
It doesn't matter how large or small my phone is, it gets its own pocket. So that's rather irrelevant.
>fuckhuge phone pulling their pants down
My phone weighs 194g, yeah, that's totally enough to pull my pants down.

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>>61055233
>resorting to projection because you're having a meltdown over pants

>>61041118
gee it's like you can't do much with design when the front needs to be 80% screen

>>61055259
>he doesn't carry a lighter
>he doesn't carry a knife
>he doesn't ever require his special phone pocket for anything but his special phone
so you're autistic, no wonder you can't find a use for pockets.

>>61055273
>he doesn't carry a lighter
But I do
>he doesn't carry a knife
But I do
>he doesn't ever require his special phone pocket for anything but his special phone
I don't. Phone in front right pocket, lighter in front left, knife in watch pocket, and money in back left pocket.

>>61055273
I've got a fanny pack for all that extra cruft

>>61055273
>>he doesn't carry a lighter
>>he doesn't carry a knife
lmao y tho

>>61055265
I'm not having a meltdown over pants, I'm having a meltdown over the fact that people like you exist and are breathing the same air I am.

>>61055204
>>61055273
Quit buying oversized pants and put on a belt.

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What's there to be nostalgia about? Nokia still procude cheap feature phones, just buy it from them, you child porn addicts.

>>61053107
Camera should've gone into the phone desu.

>>61055308
>implying that is not botnet and can see your loli pics

>>61055165
Post your hands and torso then.

>>61049967
New cell phones only advantage to old ones is they are charged off usb and power banks are cheap, still shitty they are so small capacity compared to what they could be. as for them lasting weeks, I would appreciate it if you would stop pissing in my face and telling me its water.

with laptops, this is up in the air, older ones have much bigger batteries but their tech is also quite a bit more inefficient. I could argue a laptop made just before the thinness battle started would likely last longer than a modern laptop, at least till we get self emitting pixels, given roughly the same specs where applicable.

and the fact I have to have a 7-20mb file on my computer to run a bloated as fuck website changes how?