Is Kaby Lake-X Intel's worst product of all time? It makes

>>61025411
>m-muh upgrade path
>muh xtreme gayman FPS
Only excuse you're gonna get.

>>61025411

It only exists because Intel doesn't have enough Skylake-X chips to satisfy their motherboard vendor orders for Socket 2066 boards.

They weren't expecting to launch Socket 2066/X299 so soon (originally planned Q4 2017-Q1 2018 release).

Ryzen completely changed that and Threadripper is forcing them to make 12+ core i9 chips to keep-up in "core count" race.

>>61025411

Kaby-Lake-X is literately the "Celeron" of the HEDT family and only makes sense if you intend on getting a "Skylake-X" or its successor down the road at a more reasonable price.

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>>61026134
pls buy intel processors. I work at intel

>>61026134

So can the 7600K and 7700K.....

Socket 2066 does nothing for Kaby-Lake. Socket 1151 can deliver more then enough current for those insane epenis overvolting/overclocking.

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>>61026134
>All 7740X's can overclock to 5.3ghz
Source: My ass
>delidded
lmao.

Kill yourself IMG_xxxx

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>>61026130
No, this is.

>>61026195
Nope. I have a 7700k which works at 5.3 but not every 7700k/7600k can do it. Most of them top out at 5.0/5.1 if delidded. It's way better than amd's max overclocks of 4.0ghz using nuclear voltages though

>>61026253
Funniest part is Ryzen doesn't even use much power at 4ghz. It's process limited not thermally limited like the i9's are

>>61026134
>>61026185
>>61026323
Go away IMG_xxxx

>>61026353
You are literally functionally retarded. Get banned again, shitstain. Nobody believes you have a 7700K running at 5.3 GHz either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_time

>>61025411
2500k was deeply flawed

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>>61026323
Why do you even bother posting cherrypicked results without any link to the review? http://www.anandtech.com/show/11550/the-intel-skylakex-review-core-i9-7900x-i7-7820x-and-i7-7800x-tested

And then claim some total bullshit like Ryzen takes 500 watts. Fuck off.

>>61026428
how neger?

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>>61026428
t.intelcuck that loves wasting money for marginal performance gains

>>61026505
This image will never not be retarded.

>>61026529
Then you are that image

>>61026541
>>61026556
Samefag.

>>61026529
How? The maths check out

>>61026655
>Cost per FPS
>7700K still loses
>Shitty i3 nobody ever buys wins

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>>61026505
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>>61026701
>indian
That's a lot of projection you've got there.

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>>61026731
Specially made toilet for India Inside

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>>61026731
Amd is a literal indian corpooration

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>>61026748
they wouldn't use it anyway

>>61026701
>(lower is better)
You don't even understand the graph you've been spamming since forever.

>>61025411
>>can't even use any of the features on your high end mobo (dual-channel, 16 PCI-e lanes)

You do realise the memory controller and PCI-E controller is on-die, right? It's literally built into the CPU.

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>>61026756
lol.

>>61025411
>>can't even use any of the features on your high end mobo (dual-channel, 16 PCI-e lanes)

Kaby Lake-X has 4 DDR4 memory channels and 44 PCI-E lanes.
What the fuck are you even talking about?

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>>61026826
Are you really this stupid?

>>61025411
prepare for a fuckton of nonsensical changes in Intel's market strategy. with AMD now severely undercutting them in every single market, they have to cut prices on their bigger chips. since they've been freely segmenting every single inch of the market for half a decade now, cutting ANY price will necessarily cause a domino effect, or more likely the removal of a lot of SKUs.

problem is, the Zeppelin die and Infinity Fabric combo is not something they can match right now. AMD can do much more with much less. they have much better yields, much lower costs, and this will only get worse as their revenue allows them to scale up production. if GloFo's 7nm process is as good as it's looking to be, then Zen+ will comfortably clock to KBL levels and just completely fuck things up for Intel.

they need something big and they need it soon. with Intel's current management though, they're going to fumble and it's going to be entertaining.

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>>61026781
If a Kaby-X chip is installed (which is the exact same silicon as the 7700k), the other 2 memory channels and the remaining 28 PCI-E lanes are completely nonfunctional as they're not connected to anything.

>>61026875
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_time

You're clearly functionally retarded as you never once learned that's a generic UNIX timeshamp.

>>61026857

You posted an Intel slide confirming my post, and I'm the stupid one?

>>61026896
The slide says clearly 16 PCIE lanes, you dumb shit. End yourself.

>>61026896
Kaby Lake X are the two on the bottom you stupid dipshit.

Friendly reminder to report the shitposters.

>>61026909
>Back to 3rd *GRADE* English class you stupid nigger
Fixed it for you, literal retard cocksucker.

>>61026913

Up to 44 lanes for the high end chip.

>>61026923

They're all Kaby Lake X, you retard.

Common guyse don't fite.
At the end of the day we all want the same thing:
intel cpus for cheap

>>61026939
Why would I take advice from a stupid nigger who can't spell words correctly?

>>61026959
No, Kaby Lake-X is the 7640k and 7740k, the rest are Skylake-X.

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>>61026134
Buying that X299 board for 4core

>>61026639
>doesn't know what unix timestamp is

Why do you insist on living when your only purpose in life is shilling? Why haven't you killed yourself yet?

>>61025411

> strip iGPU

this is actually the only good development for enthusiasts PCs.

>>61027317
It uses like 0.2 watts when not in use. Not sure that's gonna get you any extra megahurtz. They just disabled the iGPU because none of the other X299 CPUs have iGPUs either.

>>61025411
if you see this line as a cpu then yes its a failure
if you see this line as a boiler line then no its the most efficient boiler i have ever seen

>>61027317
>costs the same, motherboard costs more
>cant use quicksync for streaming, need to use cpu or gpu power for it
>x299 babbylake-x needs a $20+ dedicated gpu
>end up spending more money for less features
>"this is actually the only good development for enthusiasts PCs."

Hoo boy, our shitposting friend was here and got banned again, faster than ever?

>>61026857
The 7800X is actually the worst cpu of this whole lineup.
Somewhat beats a 1700@stock, over 2x the power consumption, have to buy 4 sticks of memory, have to delid and and buy a watercooling solution.
Wait for coffe-lake 6 cores I guess.

>>61026121
Nice when you see a platform with with tdp launched with Tim instead of solder.
Shameful dispray

>>61027587
If all Coffee Lake S can deliver is slightly better than i7-6800K performance with jizz TIM at a $350 price point, it's a failure out of the gate.

>>61027620
What else can Intel do? They want to keep their 60% margins.

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>>61026826
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>>61026959

HAHAHAHA look at this retard!

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>>61026381
how? i have no problems with it.

>Intel
>Got blueprints from IBM
>didn't want to deviate at all from them
>AMD found more optimal way of doing things right away
>Cyrix backwards engineered a better x86 CPU than what Intel ever could
>Only way Intel could survive was shady business tactics

Intel was always 10 years behind competition.

This is a large reason people are excited for Amd's new CPU even if they aren't buying one, it's a new architecture, something Intel lately hasn't done for... since the Pentium 3... so Intel has been floating along on the back of Pentium 3 nearly 20 years, and will be over 20 by the time they make something new, while AMD has had 3 different cores in that time frame with 2 of them being good, one of them being good for specific applications for a short time, would likely still be good enough today if they released full desktop variants but fuck it, when gamers are concerned its hard to argue in favor of construction and cat cores.

Throughout the entirety of the bulldozer base, look at what AMD did gen over gen... and now look at Ryzen, and imagine it to be Bulldozer levels of optimization left to happen. now realize Ryzen currently on engineering samples that throw errors like a mother fucker, is within/over 5% IPC of Intel's current CPU.

1/2

>>61028876
I cant wait to see if either there is a performance stand still, you can't get much faster than Intel is, or if we have been rammed up the ass by Intel for so long we forgot they were even there and its only now that we finally see real vagina we remember a cock is still lodged up our asses.

Intel has way more fuckups than Bulldozer, Bulldozer is AMD's only spectacular fuckup in the CPU market in 40 years, the only other minor fuckup was Phenom which was not even a architecture fuckup since it was fixed in B3 stepping, the other fuckup was K5.
But these are fucking nothing compared to Presshot, Itanium, Larabee, iAPX 432, and their own fuckup with P5 FDIV that wasn't nicely fixed with a stepping, but a fucking recall.
What about their complete failure with the Atom? What an abortion, mobile market? 14nm and lower lithography woes where they allowed their competitors that were lagging 4 years to close the gap to less than a year?

These magnificent failures would destroy 5 companies over, it's a good thing Intel has more money than sense to live through it all.

2/2

>>61028891
Management Engine was a big fuckup

Wouldn't call Larrabee a fuckup as it's just not sold as a GPU, Xeon Phi is what became of the project

>ctrl+f "netburst"
Nah.

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>>61029262
It's Netburst 2.0.

>>61026964
This will never happen. Intel would rather lose marketshare than margins.

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DELID THIS

>>61028876

Actually, Skylake/Kaby Lake are really just a massively tweaked Merom with an integrated PCIe controller, intergrated memory controller and iGPU in a Ring-bus layout.

Merom in itself is just synthesis of the best elements from Netburst and P6.

>>61033415

Calling Skylake/Kaby Lake a Pentium 3 clone is like calling Zen a K7-clone.

>>61026870

Good. Fuck these retards for doing the k series can only overclock and leaving the i5 at 4 cores for years

>>61026959
Anon I think you might actually be mentally disabled.

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>>61026228
I-I sort of want that

>6.5GHz stock, unlocked Skylake Celeron

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>>61026228
>celery-x

>>61034604
Tejas and Jayhawk never got a chance to shine. And by shine, I mean burn your house down.

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>>61034640
>yfw Intel releases 10nm Jayhawk++ as a hail mary

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>>61026228
>cElErOn-x

>>61027317
IDK about that

Die have gotten increasingly small, making thermals a hot mess

The iGPU can increase the die size

It's cheaper to not include the iGPU, more per wafer, but like I said, thermals suffer

>>61035123
Hence why haswell did a lot better than Ivy. Yeah the process was a little refined, and the solder fixed, but the iGPU increased massively this larger die, thus better thermals, overclocking, yada yada

>>61025411
>It makes no sense whatsoever.
Ignore the marketing bullshit (hurr you can get on x299 for cheaper)

It's purely for benchfags and muh extreem overcocks so Intel can top the tables and hold frequency records

>>61035047
I don't get this meme

REverse/inverse hyperthreading when? that is merging two cores into one, halving core count but increasing performance by nearly double

>>61025419
Upgrade path..? Isn't Coffee Lake gonna come out on the Socket 1151?

>>61036812
Doubt it.

>>61036730
It's not feasible because you can't use distinct cores to do linear processing.

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>>61036812
A socket change a year keeps a goy in fear

>>61036730
it's not that easy to improve serial compute performance.

A CPU needs to be pipelined in order to get high clocks, which means a lot of things are in flight at any one time.

In particular, a CPU needs to read in, decode, and schedule instructions before it even knows with 100% certainty which instructions it will even need to execute, thanks to dynamic branching, and when it guesses wrong, it needs to redo a lot of shit, and just maintaining pending results in a discardable state until certainty is reached is ridiculously hard.