Holy fuck! The new i9 series are just overclocked i7s with huge

Housefires incoming lmao

>>60986466
Closed loop liquid nitrogen coolers when?
Hell, why don't we just stick the whole thing into a freezer at this point?

Man, just looked at the benchmarks.

>i9-7900 does 10% better than a i7-6950X
>base clock of 3.3GHz compared to 3.0GHz with the 6950

It's literally a 6950X with an overclock hahaha what the fuck

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>>60986506
It performs worse than 6950X in many tests.

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all this failure is seeming kinda suspicious though

>>60986466
I feel like there's something wrong here.

Is this gonna be like ryzen where nothing worked at first?

>>60986500
It doesn't matter how well you cool the heat spreader, if thermal jizz isn't transferring the heat from the die to the spreader. You'll end up with a IHS temperature below 0° and a core temperature above 100°.

but muh cinebench!

>>60986466
Intel is actually pushing these on people lul

>>60986698
>>60986560
Partially driver issues for sure, but consider what exactly "i9" is.

It's a Xeon die, with server features like ECC ram stripped off. Glue it to a HEDT socket. Overclock it and pray it works. They also shrunk the L3 cache, which might hurt some applications but the extra L2 might help in others.

I've also heard there's core to core communication latency issues. Like Ryzen's issue, except it effects all of the cores instead of half of them.

Finally, this is still a ~2000 pin socket. Threadripper will use a 4096 pin socket. That's more IO, more bandwidth, more power transfer...

>>60986500

we need hybrid liquid peltier air cooling

>>60986778
Dont forget the rumor going around intel is going to have to either gimp the clocks on the high core count dies to Xeon levels to maintain a power level that the socket can handle, or they'll put out yet ANOTHER socket JUST to handle the MCC i9s.

X99 is a grade a clusterfuck.

>>60986782
That's what I was also thinking. Slap a peltier cooler on the radiator, use a liquid with plenty of antifreeze and you can manage the condensation away from the components.

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>when Intel plays catch-up with memes

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>>60986740
>disable thermal limit and emergency shutdown
>delid
>now you have a 300w portable heater that functions as a personal defense weapon

>>60986466
>Holy fuck!
calm down, you hysterical spastic

>>60986698
They definitely pushed it out too quickly. But I doubt there's very much they can fix with software updates.

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>>60986907
OwO what's this

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>>60986923
>But I doubt there's very much they can fix with software updates.

will they fix the raid dongle through software

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>>60986466
The paste is going to turn to sand in a matter of weeks. What a new record, Intel!

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>>60986983
>4gb gddr5
anon pls

>>60986778
how did they manage 4k pins?

>>60986506
>>60986528
Kaby lake was a lie, it was literally rebranded skylake.

I love how smug they were in January, claiming to their investors that from here on, its all about optimization and not about nanometers, cores or ghz.

I think we need to get some more nuclear power plants online a.s.a.p

>>60986466
>The new i9 series are just overclocked i7s
What else would they be. Retard.

>>60986466
>CPU took an average of 261 watts
>CPU took an average of 261 watts
>CPU took an average of 261 watts
>CPU took an average of 261 watts
>CPU took an average of 261 watts
2-6-1-watts

>>60987135
It's fucking huge (and I mean that in the best way)

>>60987189
I've been saying for ages that we need larger CPUs. It's not like we're limited in the tower space or anything - just fucking make everything huge.

Apparently the talk is that there's a new socket for the 12 core and up chips because this one has a thermal limit.

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>>60986466
So in other words, i9 is a gimmick that does more damage than good and will be gone before most people even notice it was there.

It's the fucking kaioken of processors.

>>60987010
I couldn't take that off without making it super ugly, I am not good at paint

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>>60987135
With what appears to be the largest mass produced socket ever.

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>>60986999
>Pull the plug, pull the towers
What did they mean by this

>>60987252
Not POWER8?

>>60987298
Nope, hell even LGA 2011 is bigger than POWER8's socket.

>>60987323
That doesn't sound right, I remembered that POWER8 was the size of fist.

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>>60987349
Well, Socket SP3 is even bigger

>>60987367

I cant even tell the difference between the shops and the real pics at this point

>>60987376
that's the real one

>>60987376
I pulled that one from Guru3d's site. GIS "Threadripper", second row, 2nd image for the same image. If you look around on the same GIS search page as above you can see more shots of the Threadripper package from different angles.

>>60987221
There is a limit, of course. At a certain point, the electrical signal won't be able to travel far enough to perform logic operations between clock cycles.
See pg. 2727 (Propagation of pulses on wires) in this awesome paper for more info.

>>60986698
Yeah, except you can't patch out hardware issues like with Ryzen.

>>60987398
Multiple cores acting autonomously

Checkmate, Moore

>>60986466
H Y P E R B I P E L I N E S

>>60986466
Pentium D 2.0?

>>60987408
M A G I C B I N G B U S : D D D D D

>>60987408

50+ stages

pumped at 14ghz

jayhawk is gonna rock

>>60987425
https://i.imgur.com/rK16YZC.mp4

>>60987405
They still need to communicate with one another, unfortunately. I'm all for breaking what we understand to be the laws of physics, but we'll need a ton of incredibly clever people to do it.

If you're at all interested in the physics behind what's going on inside of your CPU, you must read this paper. You should be able to process the broad strokes if you have any sort of background in physics. If you've studied physics/engineering (barring you civE fucks), at the university level, you'll likely get a great understanding of what the hell is actually happening inside that box of yours.

http://www.fisica.unipg.it/luca.gammaitoni/fisinfo/documenti-fisici/physical-limits-silicon.pdf

>>60986915
yeah good idea to disable automatic shut down on a chip that is going full throttle into a nuclear runaway scenario

>>60987435
Are you really that incompetent that you couldn't make a webm/gif and post that here? Reddit pls go

On that note:

>Every reviewer and their mothers get ludicrous temps even at stock speeds on liquid cooling
>Linus "unbiased" review gets load temps of 55° at stock and 80° OC'd at 4.5Ghz

I mean I could have seen it wrong, but really Linus? That's your unbiased review?

https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/intel-core-i9-7900x-processor-review.html

>It has been and still is a complete and utter mess with Intel, I can honestly say that as for this entire X299 / Core X series release Intel has not send any info or samples. Our hails through emails are not responded to, and the phone-numbers we dial of contacts are not answered. Here in the EU Intel has killed (with a few exceptions) marketing, press and PR activities. Hence 98% media all over Europe is not receiving any information from Intel anymore

I'm guessing Intel is going all-in on burgers too stupid to realize this is their 9590

>>60987452
>Physics papers on /g/
wat

Remember all the Intel shills bashing Ryzen both before and after launch?

Remember all the Intel shills saying how great the i9's would be before launch?

Now it's actually launched and reviews are up and the shills have gone so so silent.

Paybacks a bitch.

>>60986466
Just wondering, doesn't this wear the CPU out a lot?

Power consumption that high would never survive in the long run right?

>>60987558
Yeah it's upsetting that the fact that /g/ seems to be more closely related to /v/ than /sci/ isn't upsetting anyone.

/g/ - Smartphone VR Goggles

Is this a solder thing then?
The overclockers who dun delidded seem to do ok
I think Der Bauer had SKylake-X overclocked to 5GHz with exactly the kind of CLC that has been running too hot for reviewers

>>60986466
those are NOT a heating issues
this CPU just tryies to go SSJ2

>>60987558
>>/v/

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>>60987611
There were even space enthusiasts here before. Not the Musk fanboy type mind you.
Almost every shuttle launch had a thread.

>>60987633
if i9 is SSJ2 what is ryzen?

>>60987611
technology is deprecated
we telephones and gimmick of the week now

>>60987662
Brolly when you ate his favorite dessert ??

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>Trend of hippies producing ULV processors almost universally regarded as gutless shit
>OH NOES, NEW PROCESSOR IS USING TOO MUCH POWER NOW PLS FIX

Never change, /g/.

>>60987713
Hey, I like a powerful chip just as much as any other enthusiast. My (and everyone elses) problem lies in the fact these things are absofuckinglutely impossible to keep cool, and they suck up a fuckton of power while they're at it.

Not even Bulldozer and Piledriver was this bad, as while they had the high power consumption they didn't have their temps push 100C or require a high end CLC just to barely function within their specified temperature range.

>>60987713
thats not all of it
>>60987573

>>60986466
>AMD finally won for once
feels good

>>60987746
>they didn't have their temps push 100C
Probably that solder right?

>>60987754
That likely has a significant part to play in it. The biggest problem again comes back to Intel being cheap fucks with their own chips and not spending the $5 or so on the materials to actually properly solder their chips to their heatspreaders.

>>60987753
>gigant meteor destroys earth
that's because they bent reality
it's all your fault faggots

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>>60987413

>>60987775
nothing of value was lost
good people will go to heaven anyway

>>60987713
The real problem here isn't even the power consumption but the temps. Needing a high-grade CLC just to run the CPU at stock clocks is just ridiculous.

>>60987809
>nothing of value was lost
b-but muh Threadripper ;___;

>>60987821
thats not a problem for intel..

they probably lost a lot of money selling K cpu's
and now they are trying to lock people on a platform that is made to run hotter than sun and hotter than a blue giant if you overclock it
either way intel made them so that they are broken down faster the perfect planned obsolence that puts even nvidia on shame
you cant overclock cause it will void the warranty
you cant get maximomum perfomance because of thermal throttling
literally a cpu made to make people a tech cuck

>>60987558
Neo-/g/ in a nutshell.

I miss the old days when deep discussion of tech was commonplace. Thanks >>60987611
>>60987637 for sticking around/being interested.

Honestly, I'm all for consumerism. The money helps drive more R&D and advancement. That being said, it is a bit unfortunate that /g/ has mostly become a price comparison forum.

In grad school I took a few courses taught by a man who is likely the #1 expert in the world on atomic layer deposition. ALD has been instrumental in the development of sub-14nm lithography. His (S. M. George) courses were incredibly interesting, and drove home how amazing even the current fabrication processes are.

If you're interested in how modern semiconductor devices are fabricated and controlled, I encourage you to read some of his papers.

>>60987236
If we have the Kaioken now, I'd love Super Saiyan here in 2018/2019... Unless Intel goes full derp and thinks doing Kaioken x20 is viable (i.e. this but with 500W power consumption, maybe we just need more power to offset the heat from the power guys)

>>60987868
>and now they are trying to lock people on a platform
You know that won't work? People will get cancer as soon as they see they need to dump $300 on a mobo, $150+ on a cooler and over $400 for decent DIMMs before they even get to the CPU.

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>>60987871
pic related

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>>60986466

>>60988016
and good luck if you want RAID

>>60986466
>364 watts
Okay, what the everloving fuck is this? Is this even possible for home computers? Shouldn't motherboard just melt at this point?

>>60988239
i cant imagine the dual setup on those.. 750 watts only for the cpu's
intel is literally going to recomend people to use 2 psu's at this point

>>60988239
CPUs with external power when.

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>>60988317
2000

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Why does the 6 core have the same TDP and power draw as a 10 core?

>>60986466
they did the same thing with pentium 4 and d.

>>60987611
And* isn't bothering anyone*

Your grammar bothers me.

>>60988239
At least Tom's Hardware needed an extra fan to cool the MOBO, so yeah, pretty much.

>>60987662
i9 is the Trunks version of ssj2 bulky full of muscles not able to perform. Threadripper is the Gohan true ssj2.

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>>60986778
>I've also heard there's core to core communication latency issues. Like Ryzen's issue, except it effects all of the cores instead of half of them.
It's true. https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/Intel-Core-i9-7900X-10-core-Skylake-X-Processor-Review/Thread-Thread-Latency-and-

>>60986466
>The new i9 series are just overclocked i7s with huge power consumption and heating issues.
like how i3s are just underclocked i7s with disabled cores

>>60986500
Liquid nitrogen wouldn't help in a closed system, needs to evaporate to work.

Intel wasted R&D on this when all they needed to do was cut prices a little.

>>60990048
They did cut prices, compared to their last HEDT CPUs. The 10 core 6950X used to be $1700.

>>60990048
>wasted r&d
they don't have any serous r&d anon, they've been milking the same designs for some 10 years

>>60986466

Somebody at Intel still thinks it is late 1990s and early 2000s.

The HEDT and Ethuasiast market doesn't matter much anymore. The real money is mainstream and enterprise market. Intel appears to have mainstream market lock down nice and tie unless Ryzen Moblies prove to be game changers (Not likely). The enterprise market on the other hand is in jeopardy since Epyc chips are going to cheaper to make in mass then trying to fab massive 20+ core monolith dies and AMD no longer being held back by a shitty architecture.

>>60990400
>Intel appears to have mainstream market lock down nice and tie unless Ryzen Moblies prove to be game changers (Not likely).
Are you nuts? Ryzen is insanely power efficient and coupled with integrated graphics that are actually decent I can't see any way for Intel to actually compete on the mobile side. They'll either have to rely on their own sucky graphics and lose on the performance front or use nvidia's discrete graphics which will negatively affect battery life. Also APUs are cheaper to produce so cheaper laptops and desktops all around.

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>>60986466

>>60989683
>9 Xs
Huh, really made me think

>>60987452
Damn, that paper is a great. 1kw on Intel CPU soon?

See: >>60990296

>>60986466
is it fx-9590 all over again but with jewtel

>>60990451
>coupled with integrated graphics that are actually decent
>Vega
>decent

Ryzen + Vega MCM WHEN?

>>60990605
This seems to be worse. The FX9000 used a lot of power and gave off a lot of heat but it was still manageable. There doesn't seem to be a cooling solution that can handle the i9

>>60987527
They're pulling out of Europe because the Jihadis have no real use for computers.

>>60987713
>shill completely missing the point
Never change viral marketing expert.

>>60989683
So does that mean Fast ddr4 removes bottlenecks like ryzen?

>>60993724
No, SKL mesh speed isn't tiered to memory speed
It will always be slow

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>>60993724
It says right in the article that RAM speed only has a tiny effect. It's perma-slow.

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How do you even justify the 6 core part sucking as much power as the 10 core.
You don't.
I predict 18 cores will suck exactly as much power, but run at 2 GHz.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3w-G85O8n3I
I don't usually watch eCeleb tech channels. Does he usually sound so robotic?

>>60994336
He's depressed that he can't enthusiastically shill for Intel this time around.

>>60994309
That, or they'll have to put out a new motherboard revision to handle the increased wattage. LGA2066v2?

>>60994367

Don't worry, Intel will "convince" him that the i9 range of cpus are the best thing ever to exist.

>>60986528
Hoping some cucks will be selling their 6950X's cheap now

>>60986528
And 6900K performs worse than 5960X when both are overclocked. Fucking Intel, man

>>60987252
It's basically two sockets stuck together

Threadripper is going to be really interesting to see if it works - because it certainly looks like they're throwing two discrete chips onto the same die

Given Intel's fuckery I seriously hope it works.

>>60990617
Even if they throw in Polaris, it'll be so much better than Intel's shitty GPUs.

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>>60987179
so what's the 18 core i9 power consumption projected to hit

>>60994438
They already demonstrated TR at Computex. https://youtu.be/NeuamYdfU4w?t=16m

>>60994474
Marketing presentations mean absolutely nothing. Once people get their hands on it and run independent and varied tests is when I pay attention.

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>>60994463
Like, a billion.

>>60994463
Depends on clocks.
At these clocks, you're looking at close to 500W

So not happening.
So they'll drop clocks by 20-30% to keep it "under" 260W

>>60994463
2Ghz.

>>60987252
Is it me or did someone bend pins near the top right?

>>60994463
Even if you could, theoretically keep the 4~4.5Ghz clock speed and don't bother about fucking up your PSU.
You won't be fucking able to cool it.
No fucking way.
LN2 isn't a viable 24/7 usage mode.

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>>60987753
Jew Keller
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>>60990627
>was still manageable
>required special MOBO
>only WC block
>SB i5 performance at risk of burning your house
you sound like an amdrone

Has there even been some thermal testing with 'normal' air cooling solutions?

>>60994628
It won't even boot unless you throw it into the arctic circle

>>60994567
There are empty spots.

>>60994611
This shit is even worse than 6950X most of the time and it recommends water cooling as the minimum, it's a complete failure.

>>60994628
Only way I could see that working is if you underclock it. Which just makes it a shittier, cheaper 6950X.

>>60987252
That shit's so sexy.
Unfortunately, they're not gonna sell.
Pretty much like the whole X299 lineup.
Who the fuck needs these, when you can basically buy multiple instances of R7 1700+b350mbs for the same price?

>>60994683
This intel chip being shit doesn't make FX9xxx "manageble" and acceptable. Don't brush amd failures under the rug.

>>60989683
>Let's try and imitate Infinity Fabric
Someone needs to post a Baton Roue of Intel Mesh Architecture

>>60994709
It's literally worse than bulldozer tho

>>60994704
It's a lot easier to do everything on one PC than set up a distributed network.

>>60994768
It's not. Bulldozer had shit performance regardless of the cooling you can put on it.

>>60986466
Come on intel, go for 666W.

You can do it.

>>60994790
Nah bulldozer was better and cooler than this shit

>>60994907
how to spot underage amdrone

>>60994768
Stop falseflagging.

Skalyke-X only problem is the power consumption.
And the heat.
And the lanes.
And the lack of ECC or 256GB support
And the locked raid
And the clusterfuck platform
And the price

>>60994192
That was a tiny increase in ddr4 speed though.
I'm talking about testing that new 4500mhz ddr4.

>>60994979
It was, the soldered IHS allowed for liquid AIOs work decently, unlike the 7900X that can't even be cooled with chillers
Also, the 9590 never pulled the 300+ W that the 7900X can pull

>>60987713
Oh, so now everything below 300w is ulv? Really? I'm just waiting for you cucks to brag how you payed 2k for a processor that uses 300 w and needs super high end cooling just to boot to os. Cos you know... Others are just poor and jealous

>>60994979
>netburst 2.0 apologists

>>60994463
All of it

>>60994490

The blender demo they showed for ryzen was legit - once people used the same settings there were getting to within margin of error results that AMD showed on stage thus there is a high chance that TR demo is equally legit.

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>>60994709

The 9590 had a TDP of 220w. All of the big air coolers are rated for 200w+ (with the silver arrow extreme and le grand macho with fan both rated for over 300w).

>>60995427
No amount of airocoling can fix Skylake-X, water is a minimum requirement and even that is not enough stress testing at stock, much less overclocked.

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>>60995427

>>60995427
9590 was crap, Bulldozer was a failure, but at least it was soldered.

>>60995532

...and possible to air cool.

>>60995427
and it had subpar performance at 220W
skylake x is fast IF you can cool it

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>>60995561

It was alright. Difference is though skylake X can't be cooled.

>>60994907
>bulldozer better
>defending bulldozer

These are some extreme levels of amd love

>>60994336
>doesnt bring up temps at all

I love it. Perfect.