Can we seriously consider moving torrents off the clearnet or

>>60935335
vuze just works with i2p but everyone avoids it because >java

>>60935451
Also their version of DHT supports syndication - a special magnet can point to updateable feed or collection by a release group or trusted aggregator.

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>>60935335
GNUnet is the future

>>60935335
I P F S

>>60935756
N O

>>60935451
How could Java possibly be worse than the possible future of your ISP blocking your internet access unless you pay a fine?

>>60935451
i2p is p good, would be better if it was basically ded tho

I don't see why the trackers couldn't be on tor

actual p2p is still in the "clear" encrypted.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if this was already the case

>>60935748
>deep state detected
posters who constantly advertise gnunet are detracting from security and trying to divert a sense of security

>last update 3 years ago

use zeronet or be insecure

>>60935335

From the article:

> A redirect screen will guide the infringer to our payment screen while limiting all but essential internet access.”

What is "essential internet access" anyway?

And what mechanism would they use to limit your access only to "essential internet access"? Would they assign you a DNS server with stripped-down entries or something? If so, couldn't you just change your DNS to a public server to get around this? Or go through a proxy?

>>60936246
I would assume they would just drop or reject packets to addresses they "don't approve" of (not on a whitelist), including your proxy addresses

>>60936154
no U
>zeronet
honeypot

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>>60936154
>deep state detected
Where is your god now cuck?

>>60936149
>I don't see why the trackers couldn't be on tor

Just putting the trackers on tor wouldn't be enough.

The only way to use tor to beat the RightsCorp torrent snooping is if the actual torrent file traffic itself all goes through tor.

Once the torrent file traffic is all going through tor, then the only thing RightsCorp could get is the IP addresses of the tor exit nodes. (Very similar to the way it only has the IP addresses of the VPN servers when you torrent through a VPN socks proxy.)

Just like they killed off limewire and DC transfers didnt die, they can kill as many major trackers as they want and P2P will never die.
I mean look at fucking nyaa.se and how immediate the response to repopulating the database of those magnet links happened

>>60936552
>there's talk of ISPs shutting down your internet service until you pay a fine every time you get caught pirating
>implying how quickly sites can repopulate their databases after being taken down will prevent the former

>>60936708
there is a major problem cucks, the isp owns the physical connections (cables) to and from servers, how do you physically bypass that? once you do then you truly have a free net.

>>60935335
>try to fine me
>sign up with another ISP
problem solved, parasites can stfu and move my fucking bits

>>60937449
Mesh networks, as well as decentralized networks on the web. The future is trustless decentralization.

>>60936289
Freenet is the Honeypot, Zeronet is just Reddit.

VPNs work just fine, but they are far too centralised if the government gets serious. They're good enough for piracy most of the time since governments aren't prepared to go full 1984 just for people sharing music.

>>60936123
java can give away infos about you/your machine, there's a reason TOR does not activate it by default.

>>60937537
this. i'm still planing to create something like that for my neighbourhood, but i guess it's full of normies who would use it anyways.

>>60936333
>ipfs
>not secure
can be run over literally any network topology. i2p and tor are specifically in the works

>>60937637
this

USA still has no mandatory data retention or key handover laws so I don't see a reason to cripple BitTorrent yet. Pay for a VPN provider and ignore letters. The age of free piracy is over.

>>60937876
Do you seriously not know the difference between Java and Javascript?

>>60937876
java is not javascript you aspie

>>60936154
>use zeronet or be insecure
Zeronet IS insecure if used without TOR (which is the same for using any other software).
Stop shilling for it.

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>>60937876
>he thought java and javascript were related

>>60938073
What about with a VPN?

>ISP browser hijacking
Breach of contract, perhaps? Or maybe a violation of the CFAA, depending on how it's done?

>>60937537
>>60937904
Idealists that have no clue about wireless communication, never mind networking.
NOBODY has made a good mesh networking system that scales well. Not even fucking military.
Stop it.

>>60935335
The issue is the torrent sites are captured, there's nothing wrong or specifically detectable about p2p

>>60936154
>zeronet
>storing unencrypted Cp in my hard drive
no

ISPs will never want to comply, because otherwise who would buy their top tier packages like gigabit? If you don't torrent you can be really fine off with 20mbps for your streaming and shit

Encrypted down/up and onion-routed tracker communication. Both are already widely in use.

>>60936435
How the fuck would they know what kind of traffic was going to and from your PC if it's encrypted? Clearnet encryption is sufficient and demonstrated by basically every other secure p2p application. It's the handshake and building more than a p2p network that's difficult to make secure and anonymous.

>corporations arming themselves with 0d ays
truly the best timeline

>>60941207
They just seed the stuff themselves and see what IP addresses are downloading it, then they go to the ISPs that owns the IP ranges that those IP addresses fall within to find out who it was.

>>60936435
/cyb/ pastebin says not to torrent through tor, but I've never understood why

>>60943252
https://blog.torproject.org/blog/bittorrent-over-tor-isnt-good-idea

>>60943357
Sounds like a Bittorrent issue rather than a Tor issue (tor load handling aside)

So how WOULD you torrent anonymously? Have no torrent clients been made that hide your IP?

>>60943436
i2p

>>60942517
Unless that becomes automated, that's more effort than either party is willing to put in.

>>60935335
it should have already been done

>>60935714
dht-dht runs on mainline too

>>60935335
Im glad retards will soon be unable to pirate.

>buy VPN for $30/year
>in conjunction with proxy I am literally untraceable unless the NSA takes interest in my pirating
>download whatever I want from anywhere I want, use a VM if im paranoid about something
>also use MEGA and jDownloader set up with proxies to download shit directly off the internet without even the need for torrents

WAAAUUU, piracy is hard :^)

>>60937998
>getting letters while on VPN

how fucking retarded can you be lmfao

>>60945645
> dht-dht
A what?
Also reading https://wiki.vuze.com/w/Distributed_Database_Trusted_Feed again I guess it should work with mainline too, but did any other client implement it?

>>60939656
>Your IP is publicly visible as a seed to that particular torrent, the contents of which are necessarily pretty obvious
How do you think torrenting works exactly?

>>60945712
your IP, client, MAC address, location, time and date of downloading.

just to be specific. if you aren't using a proxy or VPN (or both) and torrenting, you are a fucktard.

>>60945726
>MAC address
wut? How does L2 leak into the intarwebs?

>>60945608
>Unless that becomes automated
You say that like it wouldn't be trivial to do.

>>60935335
Just run i2p and torrent

>>60945608
It is automated, retard. In Germany they send out thousands of letters every day. You get a letter from a shady lawyer firm telling you to pay them 1500€ or they're gonna sue you. Most people shit themselves and pay them.

>>60945828
Doesn't that destroy your speeds?

>>60935335
Back to usenet.

>>60945831
This has pretty much eradicated piracy in the ranks of normies. People are shocked if you have a torrent client even installed on your computer.

I think security through obscurity would be best. Something hidden that they don't know exists.

>>60945862
>back to memenet
>when you can pirate 99% of things you can think off from the clearweb with a direct download
>literally google <album name>.zip and find a blogspot that has a Zippyshare link
>literally google <movie name MEGA reddit> and find a MEGA link to anything you want

yeah, piracy is going nowhere, bub.

>>60937998
>>60945648
>>60945726
A VPN is just another ISP.

Woah epic simply epic, thanks a lot /pol/ surely we'll MAGA when all we can use is Reddit /r/the_donald and FB meme pages!

>>60945877
Nah, normies just go to streaming sites these days. Those things are huge.

>>60945754
It won't, I have no idea what they're thinking.

>>60945899
>honestly thinking an anti-piracy copyright troll will get your information from a (reputable) VPN provider

lmfao, what a retard.

>>60945920
People in Germany are scared SHITLESS of the anti-piracy boogeyman, they steer well clear of anything that isn't Netflix. They managed to completely subdue the population with a few thousand scare letters.

>>60945828
One of the main problems with i2p is the lack of selection. I can honestly put up with waiting a day downloading something at blazing fast ISDN speeds, but it really doesn't matter how slow or fast you can download stuff if what you want to download isn't there.

>>60945960
>they steer well clear of anything that isn't Netflix.
no they don't lmao

>>60945936
Not an argument.

>>60945908
Trump will make your bleeding ass great again.

>>60945984
How is it not? We only care about anti-piracy in this thread, not the NSA. If someone really wants to get you for some shit like terrorism, no ammount of security will stop them.

With a VPN + proxy, you simply cannot be caught pirating anything, unless they physically search your computers.

>>60946022
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>>60945981
Well, when you get fined 1500€ for watching an episode of Simpsons on PopcornTime, you will stop pirating, forever. When Hans-normie hears of this from his buddy at work, he will stop pirating aswell.

>>60946055
PopcornTime is not a streaming site, it's a frontend for BitTorrent.

>>60946083
Yes, I know. And? Im trying to tell you how the "fear" spreads amongst the normies. It scares the shit out of normie-fag when he gets a huge ass fine because he used a program where didn't (in his stupid mind) even download anything.

Me and you know these things, Normie Jens doesn't.

>>60943474
>java

>>60946140
i2pd

>>60946122
The topic was that normies use streaming sites. If they hear about someone getting hit because he downloaded shit illegally via torrent they'll just say "see, told you so, streaming is safe because it's not downloading".
streaming sites and DDL are huge in Germany because torrent users get hit with shit 24/7.

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>>60946140
>>60943436
>tfw nobody wants your 5000 torrents

>>60946255
i can always find a i2p leecher for the latest ubuntu or tails usually

>>60943436
Proxy makes your IP in the swarm something else, but it doesn't encrypt anything. Your ISP can still see what you're doing, unless the client-side encryption is any good (I doubt it). It wards off copyright trolls though.

Coupled with a VPN you should be 100% safe.

I think there's a build of a torrent client on GitHub that uses some free VPN or some shit, people claim it works but I never tried.

How safe is Soulseek compared to torrenting?

>>60946558
Soulseek is direct P2P, no? You never know who you're downloading from, but I doubt copyright trolls would be in on it.

A lesser known private tracker is probably the best if you don't use VPN though.

I hope my country doesn't fall for the media jew because my internet is too shit for VPNs

>>60946751
If your country is in the EU or part of the Commonwealth, it's already done.

Can't we use PerfectDark instead?
Or freenet or whatever

>>60946774
Nah I am from South America

>>60946777
freenet is java

perfect dark is abandoned just like gnunet

>>60935451
It's slow as shit(the bandwidth), unless many people start using i2p.

>>60936708
>there's talk of ISPs shutting down your internet service until you pay a fine every time you get caught pirating
They already fucking do that, and it's because of forced DMCA law. ISPs don't give a single shit what you use your bandwidth for as long as you pay your monthly fees, its cheaper for them to just blindly deal with traffic instead of inspecting it to throttle or block it.

>>60946807
Welp time to download everything in my backlog right now I guess

>>60946807
> perfect dark is abandoned
Wait, what are nips using now?

>>60946843
Share

>>60946861
I thought PD replaced it years ago.

>>60946879
japs still use PD, Share and Winny. I think Share is the most popular.

>>60946022
why proxy, vpn is enough, be one with the masses.

>soulseek
proprietary and QT
>gnunet
dead (3 years ago)
>perfectdark
closed source (last updated 2 years ago)
>freenet
java
>i2p
java

what options do we have besides 0net over tor?

>>60946918
VPN apps can crash, the connection can drop etc. You need to use both proxy + VPN for maximum security. Most VPN suppliers give you a free proxy anyway.

Unless you bind your client to only work with the VPN's virtual network card or something.

I just use a proxy + qBittorent's encryption, since I don't live in a country where anyone cares.

>>60942517
unless the IP is a VPN, of course, which should be the answer to this thread, everyone are going full retard by trying to murder poor P2P networks that can barley pull 300 kbps

>>60946827
>its cheaper for them to just blindly deal with traffic instead of inspecting it
Did you not read the article in the OP? Another company does the inspecting. There's also the threat of more lawsuits from the industry if they don't go along with it.

>>60946950
configure your torrent client to use a proxy, if it can't talk through the proxy it won't talk at all, make sure the proxy is not a bandwidth bottleneck.

>>60946970
>Another company does the inspecting
And who pays them? The ISP. Costly.

>There's also the threat of more lawsuits from the industry
THATS why it happens, which is what I fucking said in my post. lrn2reading comprehension.
ISPs dont care unless they have a conflict of interest (see: Comcast). It's cheaper and easier for them to not think about it, but they get legally coerced into it because of lobbyists.

>>60946903
>winny
>java and c++
>last update 13 years ago
>proprietary

>PD
>last update 2 years ago
>closed source
>c++

>share
>used over freenet java
>old standard of storage blocks

are the nips lazy or what??

im sure their government has vulnerabilities for every one of these

i thought nips were technologically advanced wtf

>>60946991
The average nip doesn't use computers at all

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>>60946930
> java
You a ramlet or what?

>>60946990
>And who pays them? The ISP. Costly.
Are you retarded? Rightscorp is already doing that and paying for it out of their own pocket. There's no discussion about the ISPs being charged for the monitoring.

>>60947005
well i got meme'd

>>60947009
its not about ram its about being able to audit processes

java is less secure and was always the reason for ip leaks in the case of these types of programs

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Torrents have always been garbage with low long term file retention, Gnutella 2 has always been the superior protocol, you just never realized it.

>>60946976
that's...exactly what I said. proxy in client + VPN. if VPN crashes, you still have the proxy masking your IP. if the proxy is down, it just wont connect.

>>60946990
they are paid by the Hollywood jew, for the most part.

>>60936276
it's impossible if you use https. your traffic is encrypted and unreadable for the most part. and even if they attempted an intercept and tried to modify packets, it would be immediately apparent that's something's wrong. Your requests wouldn't work and/or just be corrupt garbo data.
>unless the NSA is hoarding some inherent flaw in the https' implementation, or have some top secret supercomputer that's more powerful than previously imagined by the vast majority of technology enthusiasts/experts (both scenarios are unlikely- with the former being a tad more realistically possible)
tl;dr install a working HTTPS extension to your browser if you haven't already

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>>60935335
>IPFS
>"InterPlanetaryFileSystem"
>the irl PiedPiper
>can link content to the clearnet
>all linux nerds should have a look at it

>>60947108
finally a anon who didnt suggest some out of date proprietary software and leave the thread

thanks for taking a couple seconds to do actual research

>>60947097
>it's impossible if you use https
Wrong. DNS works outside of HTTP/HTTPS so your ISP would still be able to hijack your DNS requests and force you to view the ransom page. HTTPS also doesn't block them from viewing the IP your packets are going to, so they can still block you from reaching anything over the internet that isn't white listed.

>>60947209
can't you just use some other DNS server?

>>60947239
They're hijacking your DNS requests, it doesn't matter what server you're trying to send them to.

>>60935335
>land of the free

>>60947285
>>60947285
if you utilize services like DNSSEC and have your own lists stored locally, ISPs can't touch you. Your argument is irrelevant. Focusing on HTTPS and other transport layer security protocols are far more worth your attention & time.

It is within the power of Backbones and state level agencies in-cahootz with such massive, integral infrastructure companies to bypass any such DNS safeguards, however.
>but if we're going this far, then we can assume they can physically intervene and halt/manipulate/destroy data communication coming from any all locations anyway- and the whole point of this thread wouldn't even be worth a discussion

>>60947055
why use a vpn then you nigger

stop not agreeing with me you misogonyst

https://blockstack.org/blog/blockstack-summit-2017-freedom-to-innovate

>>60947108
IPFS really needs search functionality.

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>>60935335
what would be better for piracy, IPFS or I2P?

>>60947154
IPFS is clearnet though

I'd love for someone to step up, but they never learn. Private trackers will eventually get fucked and the laws will only fuck people with less lube. We really need to start decentralizing before it's too late.

>>60950191
Wouldn't it be feasible to generate our own content? There are multiple web series out there and their creators doesn't take to the court if you download their content. These people only put up a patreon page and, optionally, some ads here and there. There are web comics, copyrightless music, free as in freedom software, free as in freedom hardware (RISC-FIVE), copylefted literature, publicly available textbooks and so on. Most copyrighted mainstream media is shit anyway. I think we should completely break apart from the corporate, and we can just do that this way.

>>60935335
VPN+VLAN still works, bruh
>>60936149
Considering that hosting trackers won't solve the problem of publishers latching onto torrents and reporting IPs, you'll need to host the whole file, which will bog down the TOR network.

>>60946807
GNUnet isn't abandoned, the devs are taking their sweet time to do another release

>>60937510
>another isp

>>60950316
>generate our own content
like the way you think

>>60937510
>Another ISP
Must be nice to not live in America

>>60947567
SNI bitch

you're fucked kiddo.

no amount of crypted dns/https or proxy bullshit services will help you when your Host: header is in the clear.