You have 10 seconds to explain why you AREN'T using Windows.

>>60923329
Because it's shit.

>>60923342
How?

>he thinks the botnet in a closed source OS can be disabled
>by clicking a couple of placebo buttons and placebo third party tools, which are closed source too and can turn off "windows 10 telemetry" even on linux when ran via WINE
how cute

>>60923404
Even if they can't be turned off, what's your point? There is no getting away from PRISM and SystemD, no matter where you go you are fucked.
Backdoors in the OS to the CPU to your ISP spying on you, your celluar provider...

Cute how you think that you think Linux is any more safe when you are spied on from just about every angle.

>>60923329
> Windows
> need for every fucking shit a fucking gui
> even programming is a buttfuck because of these awful gui editors (despite of how you get your compiler/interpreter for language X running...)
> can't even put hdd into another computer and run it out of the box
> need twice the time to find some setting
> gets buttfucked by ransomeware & friends
> so shitty, even the company itself wants you to run an paid antivirus software

Yeah, why do I hate Windows?

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>>60923329
I don't want ads to be constantly shown on my screen.

>>60923329
I use old hardware, and gcc (codeblocks and mingw/cygwin suck).

I like font rendering on linux more
tried switching font on windows and couldnt
linux just works

cause i use whatever the fuck i want you fucking mentally retarded shithead vegetable

>>60923420
> need for every fucking shit a fucking gui
???
> even programming is a buttfuck because of these awful gui editors (despite of how you get your compiler/interpreter for language X running...)
Could be a fair point, I don't write code.
> can't even put hdd into another computer and run it out of the box
That is one of many ways MS tries to stop people from pirating windows. It sucks but it is what it is.... As if running the same copy of Linux on multiple machines isn't shit anyway, you still have to install the proper drivers anway.
> need twice the time to find some setting
????? How?
> gets buttfucked by ransomeware & friends
?? THought we covered this in the original post?
> so shitty, even the company itself wants you to run an paid antivirus software
When you have millions of people out to get your customers and scam them and more it gets kinda hard to defend yourself.

Anything else?

>>60923421
You can disable all of that in WinAero Tweaker. Although it shouldn't be there in the first place...

>>60923329
This is probably bait/shameless shill but I will take it anyway:
>MUH VIRUSES AND MALWARE
As we saw with the recent Wannacry, you don't need to do anything to get infected, it's enough that the system has an easily exploitable bug and you're already at risk. The fact that you need Antiviruses on Windows, just in case, only shows how fucked up the security of the system is.
>MUH WINDOWS slows
Say what you want but windows is bloated - both in volume of useless applications and useless background sevices. Most Linux desktop environments are much much lighter so even people with older hardware can enjoy a decently fast computing experience.
>MUH UNSTABLE WIN UNSTABLE!!!
You can't tell what is good hardware until you used it. As for stability, I personally never had a BSOD my self but did have explorer crash numerous times. Plus the system seems to have serious driver issues sometimes.
>MUH SPYING MS SPYSSS!
>You can download WinAero Tweaker and disable all telemetry.
Relying on 3d party fixes is not a viable solution, especially when it probably doesn't help either way because Microsoft would be smarter that to allow users to do that. Reminder, you don't OWN Windows. You lease it. As such, Microsoft has total control over your system, no matter how clever you think you are with registery tweaks.
>BUT NORMIES USE WINDOWS REE
Who the fuck said this? Even though there is a certain appeal to being in the "secret Linux users club" and feeling "superior to the normos" no one does it just because of that.
>What's your excuse, /g/ ?? If you simply love Linux then that is fine, but there really are no other reasons for the END USER/CONSUMER to use Linux in a home environment (although Linux IS better for servers)
There are reasons, you conveniently decided not to respond to them but you know you would get BTFO-ed (Windows Update being utter garbage, windows license costing money, ads in the GUI...)

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>>60923467
>You can disable
you're a moron if you think you can disable any of the tracking.

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Glorious WSL

>>60923473
You make many fair points but I don't feel that all of them make it a deal breaker, you wanna talk about Wannacry as if it happens all the time, but it doesn't. You wanna talk about the time that many Linux systems had a back door if you pressed the backspace key at the login prompt like 72 times or something? You guys sure forget real fast how fucked Linux can be.

As for 3rd party shit yeah it shouldn't have to be used, but Microsoft does shit that I don't like, and obviously you don't like.

>Paying for Windows
Unless you want Enterprise or LTSB you don't need to purchase Windows, just download the ISO from Microsoft and use it, there is no time limit like back in Windows 8.1 and below.

I get it, Windows has a shit ton of flaws, but it's the most popular OS on the planet and because of that it gets the most software, the most support and sadly the most scammers.

Windows update IS trash, but it isn't nearly as bad as it was in Vista and Windows 7, it's actually usable now. I do miss Windows XP updates though...
>ads in the GUI
Already covered that in a newer post see
>>60923467

>>60923329
it doesn't run my favorite applications like liferea

>>60923329
b,but I'm using it.

idk i just am just really used to unix-like shit at this point, why is this even a thread.

>>60923329
i dont like that my OS does things i never asked it to. Its unpredictable.

>>60923529
>liferea
Use bash on windows lol.

>>60923329
fuck you pajeet

>bsod is not OS fault
I love this new indian meme

>>60923329
$0.2 have been deposited in your windows 10 store account

>>60923591
Most of the time it's not.

I prefer a Unix(-like) environment.
>b-but Windows 10 has Linux
Utter shit. I'd use Windows ME before I used Microsoft's newest failed abortion.

>>60923551
>Use bash on windows lol.
Are you aware that liferea is a GTK+ application?

>>60923453
>????? How?
The settings for keyboard speed. And don't talk me about the stupi thing in the control panel, it's a joke.

>>60923614
And?

>>60923329
But I do use windows... and I have no plans to switch.

is LTSB a meme or is it actually worth getting?

>>60923622
are you dumb?
>just install an X11 server
yeah it'd be a million times worse than on linux
no thanks

>>60923642
>yeah it'd be a million times worse than on linux
lol ok?

>have W7
>can do anything 10 can do except without ads or botnet
why even use 10? its so bad

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>>60923329
<-

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>>60923672
<-

>>60923672
You can not not send data by design desu.

>>60923329
>>60923351
>>60923417
>>60923453
>winblows
>no programs open
>there's a 50% chance at any given moment updater.exe or telemetry.exe or antimalware.exe is running and consuming MASSIVE amounts of resources, raising your temps way higher than they should be with no programs open.

or my personal favorite
>installed new proprietary application
>please restart winblows to finish installation, you cuck
>click start
>reboot
>windows is preparing to install updates
>updating, don't power off the machine you cucked bitch
>after 5 min it reaches bootloader
>finishing updates....
>5 min later get to desktop
>cortana: check out this new feature, bitch ;-)

An OS should stay the fuck out of your way and let you be productive. Windows 10 does the literal polar opposite of that. Linux does what I configure it to do.

>>60923548
this

It's closed source, and all the software made for it is closed source. That's really unusable on MIPS and RISC-V

>>60923695
Have had no issues with AV or "Telemetry", not my fault you use some garbage CPU that can't handle shit.

Windows doesn't take 100 years to update if you use a good computer, get out with your Pentium 4 HT PC, it's time to upgrade nigger

>>60923716
stop with the racism please

The reason Windows clients always get infected is because people are browsing the web with their administrator account. Then you have people who don't want to accept that they have bad security practices. Yes, out of the box Windows is a very vulnerable system, but the software is there for you to protect yourself. People just aren't using it. Microsoft should enforce a more proper, more strict security policy for the end users.

>>60923721
AV and Telemetry does sound antisemitic, doesn't it?

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If Microsoft would remove the telemetry, or at least make it actually opt-out, I would give 10 a shot.

They never will though, so, you know.

>but you can disable

Why are you lying to me? Why do you continue to lie? You are proven wrong over and over again but you lie anyways. If you have to lie to convince somebody, maybe you should re-evaluate what you are saying and consider that maybe you are wrong. Cut it out already.

>>60923721
>crying about racism
think you're on the wrong website

>>60923710
Your desktop uses a processor other than amd or intel?

>>60923716
total bernie voter here folks. take his coat.

>>60923750
In the future, it will. I'll switch to RISC-V as soon as open source PHYs/IPs are out, and the entire instruction set is stable.

>>60923748
>Why are you lying to me? Why do you continue to lie? You are proven wrong over and over again but you lie anyways. If you have to lie to convince somebody, maybe you should re-evaluate what you are saying and consider that maybe you are wrong. Cut it out already.
"If I repeat the same non-argument multiple times I win"

>>60923748
How is it lying when the service that controls telemetry is completely disabled? Not "Changed" or the settings lowered, completely DISABLED.

So why do you continue to say the same shit over and over and over and over and over? Prove to me that WinAero Tweaker doesn't disable the Telemetry service completely.

>>60923750
My next one will.

>>60923772
invalid argument. You need to prove it does.

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>>60923682
<-

>>60923780
invalid argument. You need to prove it does not.

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>>60923790
<-

>>60923770
Welcome to /g/.
protip: 'turning' telemetry off doesn't turn it off (just read the thread, some anons actually bothered to post proofs)

>>60923716
you're missing the point, pajeet.

>install new proprietary applicatoin
>forced to reboot
>then windows conveniently decides to install it's updates

you have 10 seconds to explain how that's not counter productive

>>60923329
Because it's complete and utter crap, and Windows 10 is literally malware.

Also, you're a retarded piece of shit and should shoot yourself for willing defending microsoft.

>>60923329
B O T N E T
O
T
N
E
T

>>60923772
see
>>60923480

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>>60923799
<-

>>60923797
I see now that windows and logic are not compatible.

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>>60923821
<-

Cry more, winbabby. Why defend such a blatantly malignant, poorly written abomination of an operating system? Microsoft doesn't like you. They don't pay you. Hell, you are their product. You're rooting for a team that thinks you're fucking retarded and wants to exploit you like a special ed highschool girl. I know grew up around ex-Microsoft employees—the stuff's rotten from its inception. It was never a good OS, and it never will be a good OS.

>>60923828
It's your own argument. I guess you're a Wincuck then.

>>60923821
i vomited

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>>60923834
<-

>>60923849
ikr

>>60923838
>implying OP isn't a paid shill
kek

>>60923329
it is slow and bloated and i don`t play games on it. even mac`s are better now when windows 10 came
t. lubuntu user

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>>60923834
>07.31.2015

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>>60923854
<-

>>60923974
STOP

SO INCONSISTENT

>>60923329
but I am
Windows 10 is the best client operating system on the market

>>60924013
>Windows 10 is the best client malware on the market
FTFY

>>60924013
kek

>>60923695
>productivity
>reading /g/
choose onem only one

win10 is perfect for the average /g/ reader

>>60923329
slow, botnet, forced to update when they want, ugly, bloated

it's accepted nowadays that linux >>> macos >>>> winblows

>>60923329
>WinAero Tweaker
You should use blackbird

Why do you fa/g/s always think your opinions are objectively correct? "I like using this, so anyone who doesn't is an idiot."

>>60923329
Windows 10 breaks grub every update

Windows 10 uses so much resources during downloading and installing updates that it disrupts my workflow

>>60924106
>botnet
Do you know the meaning of the word?

>>60924196
yeah

>>60923695
the best part is windows failing to update, and rolling back. wasted 2 hours of mine each time.

>>60923329
because i'm not poor and i can afford a mac. also, OS X is built on UNIX so it's basically linux without all the autism

>>60923329
>You can [...] disable all telemetry
you can't

also you didn't mention that W10 is the ugliest and least intuitive OS microsoft ever made.

>>60923329
Why does 10 take 20 minutes to boot when "Fast boot" is enabled?
Why does 10 take 20 minutes to resume from hibernation?

No other version of Windows had this issue.

>>60924464
>>60923806
>>60923480
>>60924106
So you're telling me, you cunts don't have hardware firewalls on your networks??

>>60924501
If you try to block telemetry, you also have to block updates.

>>60924534
Run a WSUS server you cuck. Approve your own updates.

>>60924539
Or I could just use an operating system that doesn't come with integrated malware.

>>60924501
>>60924539
>hurr linux sucks, gentoo is for autists, i can't waste time configuring it, i want an os that works out of the box
>windows 10? runs great, you just need to do all of these things after you install it

>>60924501
No, I run an OS that doesn't need it.

>>60924232
I don't think you do.

>>60924445
>Trying to justify paying that much for a system
Enjoy your adware

Cos I'm on a tablet

>>60923329

because it is broken and clunky, very unintuitive to configure, has file locking issues, terrible hybrid tablet / desktop ui, unable to version control or transfer configs to other systems, shit filesystem that has inconsistencies between programs, can't handle deep directory hierarchies, graphics stuff that interferes with multitasking in the kernel. Alt tab works in a really broken way which makes it really hard to handle cycling through a lot of windows (not like cmd-tab and cmd-` on the mac which is far superior). No simple backup/restore tool that you can restore an entire environment onto a new machine. Shit command line, no real virtual desktop solution, fucking dumb as fuck intel graphics drivers that come with the "feature" that ctrl-alt-down flips your screen (try explaining it to a normie).
This is just off the top of my head.

Because you can try to disable telemetry but its always coming back.

I mean from an information security perspective it's a no brainer to go with Linux. If you look at the hardening guide for Windows, it's like a triple volume 3000 pages thick. Linux is about as slim as an A4 notepad.

>>60923329
> Are you that dumb?
No, that's why I use Linux.

>>60923329
I use Windows 10 on my main pc (can dual boot to Ubuntu), Majaro on my trash Inspiron 700m, and I put Cloudready on my Parent's computers

>>60923404
Maybe it checks wine's registry and sees it's not there or disabled already

I switched to Ubuntu from windows, and it can't properly read my r9 390 gpu, even with the recommended drivers.

Just fucking why

op:
Update is shit. Good luck with hours of freezed notebook if you use a slow WiFi link. Not to forget time wasted on fixing botched attempts. And where are the cool and easy OS image making and restoring commands from 7 ? Explain to me how you create an integral OS image and restore it on a win 10 surface pro tablet for example ? Do note that I hate all this push to replace user local machine control (you own what you bought) by proprietary distant Msoft cloud systems... and W10 is a sad example of this trend.

>>60923748
Manually remove the software that tracks it. When you do, it'll not even let you switch on telemetry and will say that "your company controls these settings"

>>60923774
Why

>>60923329
Unironic windows shilling need to be a bannable offense.

>>60924464
Have you not seen windows 8 or rt?
>>60924106
You do realize you have total control of your computer? Even if it won't let you remove anything (it will) you can still manipulate the os with Linux

>>60924809
>windows 8
other than start ""menu"" it was fine. You could fix it with start is back and never see the tiles again
windows 10 ui is completely unfixable

>Linux is much more responsive and quicker
>Linux doesn't use ntfshit
>Fixing stuff on Linux is piss easy
>I'm used to Linux at this point and am much more productive on it
>Don't have to even think about dealing with viruses
>Don't have to use awful ports of software (gcc, perl, etc.)

I prefer the customisation options on Linux.

>>60923329
I am using it, unlike these freetards and pedos that are using debit cards, customer loyalty cards for them fuel points. j/k Bus passes and walking around under video surveillance then sitting there with their smartphone in their pocket. thinking using some fucking server software is protecting their freedom. I don't like how invasive modern tech is but fuck if I'm going to be inconvienced so they dont scrape some data thats already being collected by other means. Windows is better and I'm not poor so it was an easy decision,

>>60924840
>don't even think about viruses
You're not paranoid enough to list that as a plus
>piss easy
Like hell. It's like dominos

>>60924866
t. Microsoftshill.

>>60923329
I agree with you, but i can only use Enterprise LTSB N version becouse other versions is pure shit.
Its simply just use enterprise LTSB N,
is like modern windows 7

>>60923329
It's a pain to do modern development.

>>60923329
i simply have no money

>>60924063
>win10 is perfect for the average /g/ reader
fuck no. There's hours of downtime due to updates which significantly reduces shitposting performance. Why do you think so many anons here use Linux?

>>60924873
>Like hell. It's like dominos.
This only shows how little you know about using linux

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>>60923329
Because it's too easy. I'm not a little baby, I don't need to be spoonfed.
pic related
Install Source Mage.

>>60924873
>You're not paranoid enough to list that as a plus
>tfw literally work as a security researcher
as long as you're not an idiot you should have no problems

>Like hell. It's like dominos
Not really, no

Why does disk cleanup take over an hour on 10?

>>60925062
You should know how easy it is to do a targeted attack then

>>60924873
>>60925062
Not always like Dominos, but sometimes it is.
Yesterday I spent 8 hours trying to configure my xbox controller
>controller doesn't work
>install xboxdrv and remove xpad
>device not found
>list peripherals
>enter code of controller into xboxdrv library
>right trigger always is going
>jtest... no good
>set deadzone in xboxdrv
>controls are swapped among 3 axes
>manually code buttons and triggers in xboxdrv
>install steam
>problems blah blah online recommends use repository
>reinstall
>freezes Ubuntu upon still
>after much investigation I find it can't read my gpu correctly
>find ubuntu drivers online then install
>doesn't freeze anymore but way subpar to what it was on windows
>still doesn't read gpu correctly
>controller now recognized as some random brand

Fuck that. I then tried VirtualBox windows
>fucking fixed 480 resolution REEEEEE
>finally fixed that with extensions
>VirtualBox virtual graphics driver. Is. Utter. Shit. Max of 128 mb.

>go back to ubuntu
>graphics driver is laggy as Shit
>wait no that's the Internet connection
>nope it was both

>now I'm going to have to dual boot
>backup ubuntu
>repartition
>install windows
>repartition
>install ubuntu after much pain
>transfer backed up files
>windows automagically installs gpu and controller drivers correctly
>steam installed no problem
>fucking finally

Is this what you guys meant by "freedom"?

All I fucking wanted to do was play a game

>>60925166
>All I fucking wanted to do was play a game
There's your problem dumbass

>>60925166
Forgot a section:

>xboxdrv not the latest version in repositories
>go online to download and manually install
>libraries not included
>many libraries were not found
>ubuntu package search
>they were renamed
>trial and error upon trial and error finally got them all

>you can disable telemetry if you aren't a retard and...
No, you can't. Windows 10 ignores the hosts file, the policy groups and the registry. No third party programs can stop the telemetry. You could block it with your router's firewall but then windows 10 will become stuck in a loop of trying to send data and will use 40% of the cpu, that shit happened to me.

>>60925184
Nice dodge. You know Linux is a wild goose chase at times.

I'm using windows now.
I was a linuxfag for years while I was unemployed, got into financial IT, hated windows for a while but it has really grown on me.

>>60923329
I don't feel like enough of a special snowflake if I use windows

>>60925200
Anyone know what sort of data they collect?

>>60925257
>Driver crashes
>I Better gather information about that driver to troubleshoot and resolve this issue
>Might as well take all passwords and porn libraries while i'm at it
This is what /g/ thinks happens.

I had 10 up for all of about two days until it blue screened with unmountable boot drive. Wasn't doing anything interesting on it, just getting an idea of it. Not too impressed so far.

>>60923329
cuz it sux

windiots should be banned from this board

>>60925305
this, it's the same sort of data every modern operating system collects, even the popular linux distros like Ubuntu. Unless you compile your kernel from source after personally verifying there's no spyware in it, you're probably going to be sending some sort of telemetry.

>>60924986
kek

>>60925776
you can really easily remove popularity-contest and it's not part of the kernel

>>60923329
>You can download WinAero Tweaker and disable all telemetry
But you're still running a closed source OS.

>>60923453
>can't swap HDD
Once I tried to put an ssd I had laying around with win 10 installed for a c2d thinkpad in a 2ndgen i5 macbook and it worked, it needed some drivers but it worked

>>60925776
you are now realizing that in every update the entirety of your OS and keylogs are sent to NSAcrosoftCIA servers for good goy analysis

>>60923974
>>60923821
Windows 10 buffs have bad eyesight or something. they dont even notice how inconsistent and poorly spaced out everything is. I tell em that if I wanted 10 different styles on my desktop I'd use linux but they think im a retard when i tell them that. I sure hope reactOS gets good

>>60923329
He's not wrong.

It's funny, every single reason people hate Windows in this thread is a result of user error - really speaks volumes about this board.

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>>60923329
Because I don't want Microsoft's finger inside my arsehole.

>>60926225
>windows being malware is "user error"

>>60923480
>8/12/2015

???

>>60923329
>I'm not fucking stupid
Yet you run Windows. Nice meme

>>60924566
See the real question is, what do you learn while wasting your time configuring things?

For instance, on windows, what you learn is that Microsoft is literally Hitler and that they stick telemetry on everything and advertisements in every corner, and after spending hours getting rid of all the stupid bullshit they stuck in, a mandatory update removes most of your fixes, and immediately tells you to buy the new gears of halo game and the new xxxbox1xxx.

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>>60923329
>Do you download everything you find off the internet without checking it? Are you that dumb?

No, but many people on Windows fall prey to viruses and don't even know they have a more secure, more free option in Linux because they don't even know about Linux.

>You need a modern PC to run a modern OS, if you have a Pentium 4 with Windows 10 it will perform like a Pentium 4 with Windows 10. Windows never runs slow on capable hardware.(Unless you do stupid shit)

"Why optimize muh software when can just buy more powerful hardware????"

Also
>Modern OS
Top Kek. NT is the same shit every time. Can't be fixed, never will be, and there's no demand from windows users for it to be any better.

>Again, most crashes are due to the user. If your GPU is dying or your motherboard is trashed then guess what - Windows can't do anything to fix it and things WILL crash. I haven't had a single BSOD in 3 years, my secret? I'm not fucking stupid and buy good hardware.

TOP LEL AGAIN LAD. I have identical hardware failures and has software that makes the same "mistakes" on Linux. I have never had a single, solitary stop-error on Linux. Ever.

>You can download WinAero Tweaker and disable all telemetry, and if you don't trust them you can easily follow their guide and fix it in the registry.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA

>Yeah, most people do use Windows, simply because that is all they know, sometimes they do knowingly pick Windows over other OS's, but there is a big reason why.

The big reason you're talking about is that they're either too lazy to put Linux on the metal, or too brainlet. And the fact that most people don't know about Linux is intentional. It's the same thing as DRM- if people were actually educated on how bad it is, they'd do something about it.

>What's your excuse, /g/?

This same catchphrase again? When will the bait and shilling stop?

YOU ARE GETTING REALLY, REALLY OBVIOUS, RAJESH. I'M PERSONALLY CONTACTING YOUR HR DEPARTMENT AT MICROSOFT.

>>60923329
telemetry is hardcoded into the OS and you cannot stop it. you are a fool to think that third party apps will fix it.

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>>60926225
>user error
>as designed
>won't fix

Pajeet, stop

>>60923329
>You can download WinAero Tweaker and disable all telemetry, and if you don't trust them you can easily follow their guide and fix it in the registry.

You can't make this shit up

>>60926247
Again, user error - your brain is malfunctioning.

>>60926319
Not sure what you're trying to say but it sounds like user error again.

>>60923480
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
wincucks on suicide watch

>>60923329
>Muh many problems
>You can download extra programs to fix those issues!

Yeah I prefer something that just let's me tell my PERSONAL computer what to do. Linux let's me do exactly that. It also updates so much fucking quicker it's not even funny. I have to maintain a handful of windows machines, and I'm so glad I'm not stuck using that piece of crap myself anymore. God bless Linus Torvalds and all the other people making Linux based OS's freely available for everyone. The world of computing would be a hell without them.

custonization

>>60923480
WINFAGS ETERNALLY ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>60923329
But I am using windows 10 enterprise ltsb :^)

>>60923329
>You can disable all telemetry
This is what microcucks actually believe.

Because i can't find a legal version of windows 7 fucking ANYWHERE.

>use a cracked version
literally enjoy being part of a russian botnet

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>>60923329
>you can disable all telemetry

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>>60923329
>You have 10 seconds to explain why you AREN'T using Windows.
There is nothing that I want/need to do on GNU/Linux, but cannot because it is Windows exclusive besides videogames. I don't always want to play videogames, so I don't often boot into my Windows installation.

>>60926462
https://xato.net/windows-spying-and-a-twitter-rant-19203babb2e7?gi=67fbc0fb07b2

>And several people noted that I had set the Allow Telemetry policy incorrectly. Now this was just sloppiness on my part and totally my mistake, but you can see how others might find it easy to get confused with the incorrect way to disable telemetry (enable the policy and then disable below, if you scroll down it in the dialog box it explains this):

>To save you all the suspense, yes this test resulted in much less activity than my initial test (put away the pitchforks). Less, but still too much (get out the pitchforks).

Uneducated /g/ strikes again lmao

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>>60926537
>doesn't deny my point

>>60926537
>but still too much (get out the pitchforks)

>he doesn't even read the blog he's copying and pasting

>>60926225
Actually no. You can't stop Windows 10 from lacking hierarchical structure and looking like complete dog shit.

See how half the options in PC settings just link to the "legacy" one. Thing is, there never needed to be a settings app for children and elderly people to use, because the control panel has a search engine and shortcuts all throughout. There was an entire help application as well, remember? Oh wait they removed it and added an online one with most of the volumes missing LMAO. Open msconfig, see how the startup tab is just a link to the task manager? See how you're brain doesn't work?

My advice to you is to start using linux TODAY because you're already half way there.

>>60926621
>open msconfig, see how the startup tab just links to the task manager

I was beyond mad when I saw this.

>>60923650
Ok. Glad to see we agree, and you have finally realised you were wrong.

Thread is now over.

Best version of Windows I can get free?

Windows 10 Education
Windows Server 2016 Datacenter Edition
Windows Server 2016 Standard Edition

>>60926991
10 Edu
Some people sign their drivers so they explicitly refuse to install on Server.

Also, assuming they're all part of Imagine, https://imagine.microsoft.com/en-us/about/LicenseAgreement
>4. Using the Subscription Benefits

Your Subscription will provide you with access to certain Subscription Benefits expressly intended to support your education or teaching, non-commercial research, or efforts to design, develop, test, and demonstrate software applications for the above purposes.
>expressly intended to support your education
Remember intended use is required to be followed under copyright law.

>>60923329
>Do you download everything you find off the internet without checking it? Are you that dumb?
are you retarded ?

>disable all telemetry
in your dreams fanboi

2/10 made me replay

>>60923329
Rails dev, mainly. Rails is a bitch to set up in Windooooooooze.

>>60923417
>comparing telemetry to systemd
nigghu, rly?

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>>60923417
>SystemD is equivalent to PRISM

REALLY

>>60923814
just werks

>>60923522
>You guys sure forget real fast how fucked Linux can be
Windows also can be a very nice system.. but it's not is it...
Linux have its own problems but these are far more tolerable than MSs

>>60923329
I enjoy freedom and actually owning my computer not being cucked by a large company which is why I use GNU+linux-libre. And also windows contains many bits of software I don't need and don't want but I can't delete. Windows has a universal backdoor that you can't disable ever. Windows is shit try GNU+linux or BSD.

>>60923329
> You can download WinAero Tweaker and disable all telemetry, and if you don't trust them you can easily follow their guide and fix it in the registry.
Lel, the registry itself is something MS created. MS has to explicitly program their spyware to respect it, otherwise whatever you set in the registry matters fuck all.

>>60926356
>Again, user error - your brain is malfunctioning.
Nope, you're just retarded.

>>60923790
kekd

>>60923417
This post is a nirvana fallacy:
"if we can't even make it 100% perfect then why even try!"
>OS
My OS is 100% open source
>CPU
I use a core 2 duo made before the management engine
>ISP
I use tor for everything except 4chan
>cellular provider
>he owns a personal tracking device

>>60923814
Disable updates faggot.

>>60925184
kek

>>60924489
Get a SSD.

>>60923417
You can easily get away from systemd.

Besides systemd doesn't even have any particular problem. You think it has telemetry running? Nope.

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>>60923329
The UI makes me sad. I'm not even mad or frustrated with it at this point, just disappointed.
Everything is an absolute mess and customization is fucked up due to the shitfuck that is the registry.

>>60923329
Even if Windows 10 didn't have any of the issues that you mentioned (it does, as others have pointed out), I still wouldn't use it because it has the same fundamental problem that every Windows version has had, going back to the days of DOS: it simply isn't a well designed operating system.

>>60924886
He's right ya know.

>>60923404
>He thinks source is better than assembly
Lmao

>>60923329
works on my machine

>>60923329
Because you can't change the desktop environment

>>60927803
I think Big Man Tyrone shilled for some dude trying to make a graphical shell for Windows 10.

>>60923329
>Ultimate /g/ triggering: The Thread

I love this

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Viruses and malware, slow, unstable, spies on you, favorite of normies.

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>>60928025

hey why would i even use Windows?

lol, forget about defending my non-usage, why would i even use windows?

>>60923799
@ Microshafts HQ

>pajeet-master: So guys, we need a solution for this. There are millions of computer parts out there. How do we know our software is running fine on it
>pajeet-1: we give the users the possibillity to send crash reports
>pajeet-2: No those asshats are just going to close the window, we need another solution
>pajeet-3: Let's implement something called telemetry. The user won't even be bothered with a window which wants him to send an error report
>pajeet-master: perfect, so we can make our software way better for all the parts

At /g/ autist-HQ
>autist-1: muh privacey
>autist-2: BOTNET
>autist-weeabo: muh free software
>autist-3: wtf how dare they to try to make their software more compatible
>autist-master: install gentoo

>>60923329
If I explain, people that use windows will not understand and people that don't use windows will not need the explanation.

Saging shit thread

>>60923329
Because Linux just werks and makes my job easier because I don't have to fight the system.

>>60923329
>command prompt

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>60924603
He's talking about OS X, not Windows 10.

The GUI sucks. And Linux is just easier to use.

>>60923329
Shit ui, worse performance, lack of vision (see : win10 ui), shitty company.
Why would I use it, indeed?

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>>60923329
>You have 10 seconds to explain why you AREN'T using Windows.

This should be easy

> When something goes wrong, I can easily figure out what it was, why it went wrong and fix it.
> Errors actually have explanations instead of just blue screening and rebooting you
> Your entire system is constantly networked to vindictive services and invasive surveillance.
> 90% of the time when you google "_____ for Windows", the program you get will be 90% spyware and 10% what you wanted.
> No package manager
> Strict UI rules
> Lack of support for any filesystem other than ntfs or fat

>BUT ANON YOU CAN INSTALL LINUX IN WINDOWS

Completely deletes the purpose of installing a lighter operating system so your system will run cleaner. Slapping it on top is meaningless.

>>60923329
I want to use i3 or and WM freely.
I don't want ads in my OS.
I don't want bloatware apps installed by default (e.g., Windows store, OneDrive, Twitter, Xbox shit).
I want to have the ability to freely view, modify, and distribute the source code of the kernel and OS.
I want the fewest amount of binary blobs as possible.
I want to choose my filesystem and freely manage my file hierarchy.
I hate Window's arbitrary placement of configuration files and values (e.g., environment variables like PATH are annoying to edit; regedit is garbage).
I want to have the ability to edit absolutely anything I want on a CLI and only use a mouse when I say so.
I want to be able to get root access with a sudo command and not have to right-click the fucking CMD icon and hit "Run as administrator."
I want to avoid garbage alerts and desktop pop-ups.
I want a good package manager.
I want SSH actually available and working.
I don't want forced updates and restarts.
I don't want personal, kernel, telemetric, etc. info being sent to organizations without a way to truly disable it.
I want to freely have the ability to configure absolutely anything I desire regarding UI.
I want native GCC support.
I want fewer pajeets.
I want to avoid Big Brother.
I don't want to be part of a database for advertising, etc.
I want verbose and useful error messages (e.g., not crap like "We've encountered a problem :(" ).
I want to have native ability to use GNU core-utils.
And, as a CS student, Windows feels like it babies me.

To each his own.

>>60923329
>package managers are better on *NIX-likes
>terribad UI design
>NTFS
>no sane utilities for certain things
>telemetry, it being there in the first place and having to use some 3rd party solution to 'disable' it
>NT kernel has it's issues, lots of legacy crud carried over(kinda big deal on most of modern operating systems)
>no native GNU toolchain OOB(preference)
>fiddles with user settings every once in a while after update
>Microsoft trying to make a walled garden of their OS

There are better operating systems suited for my needs, altough I've had to deal with Windows on school computers for running propietary software for pulling data out of some sensors + matlab.

>>60929106
Whats your secret to avoid reddit spacing?

>>60929295
Return key on Android. Was posting while on shitter at work.

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>>60923329
>install Xubuntu
>no spying
>no malware
>no instability no matter how stupid the user
>it costs nothing
>takes up less that 1/3 of what Winshit does on disk
>lightning fast on 10 year old hardware
>good for every basic day to day computing task
>can run most gayems in PlayOnLinux
>far superior driver support
>lets you update on your own time
>has a user friendly app store where everything is free and doesn't require an account to download
Windows is a pile of shit. It also has built in ads.

>>60923329
>You have 10 seconds to explain why you AREN'T using Windows.
>Let's get a quick run down...
>>MUH VIRUSES AND MALWARE
>Do you download everything you find off the internet without checking it? Are you that dumb?
You only needed to be on the same network to get wannacry
>>MUH WINDOWS SLOWWWW
>You need a modern PC to run a modern OS, if you have a Pentium 4 with Windows 10 it will perform like a Pentium 4 with Windows 10. Windows never runs slow on capable hardware.(Unless you do stupid shit)
modern pc or not it is still slower
>>MUH UNSTABLE WIN UNSTABLE!!!
>Again, most crashes are due to the user. If your GPU is dying or your motherboard is trashed then guess what - Windows can't do anything to fix it and things WILL crash. I haven't had a single BSOD in 3 years, my secret? I'm not fucking stupid and buy good hardware.
most bsods in any platform come from software and firmware, not hardware
>>MUH SPYING MS SPYSSS!
>You can download WinAero Tweaker and disable all telemetry, and if you don't trust them you can easily follow their guide and fix it in the registry.
using malware to disable malware will only give you more malware
>>BUT NORMIES USE WINDOWS REE
>Yeah, most people do use Windows, simply because that is all they know, sometimes they do knowingly pick Windows over other OS's, but there is a big reason why.
Normies use whatever comes preinstaled.
>What's your excuse, /g/ ?? If you simply love Linux then that is fine, but there really are no other reasons for the END USER/CONSUMER to use Linux in a home environment (although Linux IS better for servers)
>So?
Between malware and free as in freedom software I prefer the later.

>>60923329
Nigger I don't want to use an OS that shits the bed every five minutes from BSOD, wannacrypt, failed Windows updates, etc.

You probably had to restart your computer 6 times while posting in this thread.

>>60923329
> You can download WinAero Tweaker and disable all telemetry, and if you don't trust them you can easily follow their guide and fix it in the registry.
People have shown you can't disable all telemetry on windows, anyway why not start with a system that doesn't fuck with your privacy rather than trying to fix one that does

Me, I just like having control. I like being able to interact with my computer the way I want, being able to make it look and feel how I like, update when I want and not being forced into the experience that micro$oft dictates I should have.

Also, where's your compose key winfag ≤ § ≥

>>60923329
1. does not support my cpu architecture
2. shitty windowing system
3. shell is useful and bash on windows is shit (also bash is trash). cygwin is an abortion t.b.h.
4. i hate the way applications are packaged
5. bloat
t. openbsd/plan 9 user

>>60923329
>double click pdf
>"There are more programs that can open this file"
>choose sumatrapdf
>pdf opens
>"There are more programs that can open this file"
>ijusttoldyounigga.jpg
>"Are you sure you don't want your anus checked as well?"

I JUST WANT TO VIEW THE FUCKING PDF!

Windows 10 never again.

>>60923490
WSL contains literally 0 linux, its the same ole shitty NT kernel you shilled out for

how is this thread still going. stop taking the bait

>>60923522
> Windows update is still 10000000 years more primative than any linux distribution's pm, but it used to be worse therefore I win the argument
t. a micro$oft shill

>>60923329
BTRFS and its easily expandable software RAID?

>>60923329
1.) It's ugly af.
2.) Lack of continuity between devices.

>>60924593
But he does.

>implying I only use one OS

>>60923329
Nice thread OP especially with

>MUH WINDOWS SLOWWWW

>>60924593
In the windows licence it tells you they have the right to take over your computer whenever they feel like it, hence you are one of their botnet

>>60923329
>Again, most crashes are due to the user.
Not really. Windows 10 is probably the least stable OS since Vista. Even years after release.

>You can download WinAero Tweaker and disable all telemetry
If you think setting the gp value and deleting a few services "disables all the telemetry" I have bad news friend. Every component in windows 10 (including explorer) phones home. Most of it ignores the hosts file. Most of it ignores your settings and registry keys. You need router level firewall rules and you need to constantly babysit it.

Windows 10 isn't an OS it's an advertising platform.

>there really are no other reasons for the END USER/CONSUMER to use Linux in a home environment
privacy. I use linux for everything possible and only boot into windows for games.

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>>60923329
But I have embraced the botnet.

>>60930412
Borderless Windows VM? Or super-customized Windows?

>>60929632
>Xubuntu
>Amazon

malware

but other than that you're good

>>60923329
Because everything I already do can be done from Linux and I do not have to deal with worrying about someone looking over my proverbial shoulder.

Also, I can securely encrypt volumes without paying.

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which one do i get?

>>60930899
this is the one I'm using (legit copy from msdn)
SHA1: 031ED6ACDC47B8F582C781B039F501D83997A1CF
File name: en_windows_10_enterprise_2016_ltsb_x64_dvd_9059483.iso

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>>60923329
windows is uggo

>>60926462
How does it break windows? Does it not boot up at all or?

>>60929632
>can run most gayems in PlayOnLinux

i want to run all games

But anon, I am.

Why are you so angry?

>>60923329
Arch does absolutely everything I want and not a single thing else. Good luck configuring windows that way.

>>60927328
It's a known issue that even with an SSD it has issues during boot. I did swap an SSD in and am reimaging it.

>>60931862
Works on my machine.

>>60932023
For now.

lienoobs btfo ;^)

>>60923329
For programming,Linux is great out of the box. All of the packages are present and everything is ready to go. There is also a convenient package manager present that makes installing them very simple. Yes, windows has gotten a new package manager, but it isn't as extensive as that of Linux.

>>60926405
>>60932073
>using the smiley with a carat nose