If vinyl records could be revived by hipsters, do you think the

>>60911678
It's already happening, take a peek at /vr/

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>>60911678

Just use CRT if you want to, fa.m

My main TV is still a '98 B&O Beovision mx6000. Crt, 4:3, curved over both axis. Shit is cash.

No. CRTs are heavy, complicated, and dangerous to manufacture and handle.

>>60911742

Leave this website, kid. It's dangerous.

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>>60911678
CRTs will never become mainstream due to high energy consumption and their large size and weight. I will most likely switch from CRTs once OLED displays are cheaper but still keep my trinitron and nokia for retro vidya.
pic related

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>>60911770

>>60911770
kek, it's funny how actually weight is a huge matter in this case, you see sissy arms' faggota complaining all the time that "this notebook is too heavy, 4lbs iss too much and I get tired for carrying! ;_;"

>>60911678
>revive CRT

But they're still in production, you can still buy new ones, there's nothing to revive.

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>>60911806

>>60911806
>what is convenience?
People want to be able to carry their televisions easily when necessary.
The days of needing at least 2 people to carry a 36" 220lbs trinitron are long gone.

>>60911837
Where from?

>>60911873
Some chink factories still make a few for sale in the Third World.

>>60911678
stop making threads and shilling, autismo. they're shit, curvature makes it horrible, colors are worse than quality lcd ones while contrast and blacks are fine enough. also take too much space and weigh too much. btw oled is a huge meme which is trash too

>>60911873
alibaba etc ask in chink shit general

>>60911896
You can't buy a new CRT in a First World cunt anywhere though.

>>60911678
>terrible contrast, and no black.
oled

>>60911678
Smash melee people still use them

>>60912075
>oled

Enjoy your burn-ins and color tint after one or two years

All my CRT broke unlike my LCDs. Kept getting weird grey strobing bars go up and down the screen on one. Had to keep bashing side to temporarily fix it.

>>60912146
>burn-ins
also happens to crt.
>color tint after two years
on newish oled screens?

>>60912173
He's a bit over the top but yeah, burn in happens with both (google it and you'll find examples on which it happened in a couple months old smartphones).
Problem is that the LED segments in the display age differently. Forgot which one but I think the blue ones fade the quickest.

Not sure how much development went into this by now but it was quite a big problem in 2014/15 when I looked into this.

>>60912241
my S4's display is fine, it has a very, very faint bit of screen burn, which was there when i got it second hand in 2014
that said, i don't use my cellphone as much as some people, i also keep the brightness minimal and have the color temp adjust at night (reducing blue light, therefore also reducing load on blue subpixels)

>>60912241
i had a galaxy s2 until recently. i used it over five years on a daily basis.

i dont say burn ins or color tints arent a problem. But i never noticed it on my phone, which had some of the earliest commercial oled displays.

I think it is fair to say that it is the best tech we have so far.

>>60911678
The PVM meme isn't an indicator that this has already begun to reach critical mass?

What we need is 10-bit GPU ADC with FreeSync-like feature to send native anime out VGA/DVI-A ports to a CRT monitor

Is any manufacturer making CRTs for enthusiasts yet?

Who the fuck is carrying their TV around so frequently?

>>60912303
>>60912383
Good to know.

Maybe this only happens on phones that have the brightness on 100% all the time.
For example I have my phone usually set quite dim because 100% burns like the light of 1000 suns

>>60912450
if you use your phone constantly, displaying (almost) the same thing, with a high contrast image, at 100% brightness
it'll reduce the life of the display for sure
the same rules apply to CRT's, though

if it's something that displays a static image all day, oled (and crt) isn't a good idea, use lcds for that, otherwise, treat it well and it'll last long enough

>>60912495
>it'll reduce the life of the display
specifically, i mean you'll get noticable burn sooner

>>60912450
https://superuser.com/questions/883870/is-amoled-screen-burn-fast-aging-in-still-an-issue

it looks like there was really an issue with this. but after one week 4hours/day already burn ins? looks more like some problems during manufacturing.
ill take a look on my oldphone.

>>60912303
-- oh, and by very faint, i'm talking when displaying a solid, neutral, light colour, if you look real close you can tell it's not completely a solid colour
to be honest, backlight bleed from lcd's (and even crt reflection when displaying bright images) is FAR worse than what i've got here, as far as making a solid colour not appear solid

>>60912427
A little known brand called Sony did make some stuff for enthusiasts, good quality stuff. A smaller and practically unknown brand called ViewSonic also made some good tubes.

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>>60912543

lmao, that dude in the links who wanted to show screen burn in by posting a screenshot

>>60912620
https://forums.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-note-2/410862-burn.html

>Edit: looks like I'll need to take a photo. I may realized a screen shot won't show it.

>>60912613
>A smaller and practically unknown brand called ViewSonic
is this sarcasm?

>>60912613
You sure got me. By 'yet' I was implying the question was being made in the post CRT era as in 'is any manufacturer currently producing CRTs for CRT enthusiasts in the year 2017.'

>>60911857
I'm still used to somewhat old TVs. Had a CRT until recently and switched to a 32" early LCD. Housemate has a 42" plasma that weights a ton.
I was perplexed by how light my dad's new 48" LCD TV was. It weights practically nothing. Amazing really.

>>60911678
>>60911742

This the manufacturing process is gone. LCDs are way too cheap to make. Also fixing them is a breeze. I loved plasma until the first time I had to fix one.

No one will make crts anymore best hope is new better tech.

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>>60912543
okay i turned my old s2 on, loaded a white bg, 100% brightness.
Didnt see anything.
turned the top bar to the side.
and there i could see pic. just really faintly. i couldnt see it anymore when i lowered the brightness.
loaded pic in photoshop and tweaked everything to make it much more present.

>>60911857
have you tried carrying a modern 50"+ lcd/oled tv by yourself?
it's not practical either, just for different reasons

>>60912763
similar kind of thing as i get on my S4, it's screen burn, but too faint to detract from anything

>>60912796
>>60912763
actually, mine might be less, maybe
i can only see mine in a dark room, and not on 100% brightness, as that's just blinding
rather minimum brightness, though i don't know if there's a brightness difference between the S2 and S4

I want to buy a NEW crt. Dont want to go hunting flea markets or deal with people. Where can I buy one online?

>>60913160
alibaba, enjoy your cheap 3rd world country shit.

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>>60911678
>blurry
>skewed image
>radiation

>>60913325
>radiation
A cellphone emits more.

>>60913364
good to know, thanks.

>>60912495
I work at a place that refurbishes phones. You be surprised how many s6 and s7 have burn in. It's usually the status bar or app icons. There was a s7 active that had the Facebook app ui burned into it. It's just the normies that burn in amoled screens.

>tfw third world country
>tfw nearby grocery store sells chink-branded CRTs among chink-branded LCDs

Plasma is where it's at.
My 2011 plasma is still better than any LCD and OLED I ever saw.

the 600Hz refresh rate itself is beyond great.

>>60913505
Are CRTs tat much cheaper? Do you remember any brands? That piqued my curiosity.

>>60913573
if you believe that then i'd say you haven't seen any OLED tv's

>>60913585
I remember Pensonic being one of the brands among the TVs being sold but I don't remember if it was specificallyt that brand that had the CRT TVs. Also, they're literally the cheapest TVs among the available offerings.

>>60913505
they cost more to make and more to ship, so if they're cheaper that's kind of an unmarked clearance sale

crts are already a hipster thing, good luck finding old PVMs etc for a price near where they were in the late '00s. someone will probably do new production when the used market truly goes dry, and they will probably be priced bullshit high because that will be what's necessary to justify a production line.

>>60911678
I doubt you could manufacture or sell brand new CRTs in the US with current regulations, outside of maybe professional sectors.

>>60911678
I have an old CRT in my bedroom. It an okay but not better than my LCD.

>>60912495
CRTs weren't originally designed for static images, they were intended to show TV broadcasts. Using them as a computer display does expose some inherent flaws in the technology such as screen burn and flicker that are not an issue when viewing moving images. For static displays, there is no reason to choose them over an LCD.

>>60914131
that's what i said

>>60911727
If it fell on you will you die?

>>60914165
It would be extremely painful...

Reminder that we were this [--] close to "flat" crt monitors which would still btfo panels we have today but they were too late.

>>60913364
Not röntgen radiation though

>>60914339
I remember switching on the old CRT monitors and looking back seeing the shadow of your skeleton on the wall, was pretty spooky as a kid.

>>60911727
Holy fuck, does things are still expensive as shit even today. Great taste tho

>>60911806
I don't have a problem with weight so much as with depth. U can't find a decent sized CRT with the depth of 40 cm or less. We don't all have nice cosy houses with rooms to let our autism run free..

>>60914366
S-something about this doesn't sound quite right, but I can't put my finger on what it is.

>>60914393
I can get them for free. Jelly?

>>60912241
That has been solved ages ago by just using white LEDs and a colour filter. However the technology is still not without its drawbacks.

I wish plasma were still around

>>60914366
In all the millions of hours I spent using CRT TVs and monitors, I never once recall that happening.

>>60911678

Nah, CRT is too heavy for hipster to lift.

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>>60911702
This, retrogamers are snatching every fucking Sony PVM on the planet while they can, now that they figured out how to get RGB out of their consoles.

>>60911896
But they're cheap low end shit and nothing like a quality Triniton/Wega.

>>60915132
Surprised Sony hasn't restarted production. You'd think they'd notice this demand by now.

>>60911678
>>>/vr/thread/4042021

>>60915196
New PVMs cost $10,000. No nerd is going to pay that just to play some old video games.

>>60915196
This would be incredibly expensive
Maybe when used PVM/BVMs are 2k a pop

>>60915245
>implying most of that number isn't just markup
Also don't forget that we have better production technology today.

>>60915245
>$10,000
Maybe for a top of the line large movie production monitor or something. Basic PVMs were nowhere near that expensive.

>>60911678
/vr/ is buying all Trinitrons they can find

Don't think so, only people I see that have interest in CRT are retro "gamers"

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>>60912075
>terrible contrast, and no black
That was talking about CRT, right? Because that's actually a fact, although the retarded hipsters don't grasp it.

>>60915485
We don't produce CRTs today

Honestly I'm sure they'll make some kind of a comeback, even fucking cassettes have made a small comeback due to hipsters. I unironically enjoy vaporwave and love glitch art, so I'm thinking of getting one, just as a cheap second monitor. I use low res in general anyway, I have a 1920 144hz monitor and I play csgo in 800x600 lel. My desktop is at 1280x800 because I don't like how small everything is at higher res. My dad's desktop is 4k and I have to squint to read anything
T. 4eyes

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>>60915757

I want those times back when anime/mango wasn't exclusively used for lowest quality shitposting

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I heard there are lots of CRTs, even expensive Sony ones available in Fukushima

Should i be worried if my CRT is ticking every now and then and image distorts?

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>>60917414
>Should i be worried

Yes.

16 fucking kilovolts are jumping somewhere where they don't belong.
This could be caused by faulty parts like a failing cap or dirt/dust.

If you want to stay healthy and also keep your crt working a bit longer, look into fixing this shit.
If you don't know how to do it, get it done by some pro.
High voltage stays in the circuits of CRTs a long time so don't get the idea of just turning it off and then poking around inside with a brush.

>>60917609
Actually i was thinking of canned air and a hand vacum.

>>60917624
Well if the plastic parts are long enough (hand vacuum tip and the canned air straw) then you should be fine.
I'd let the thing sit for a couple hours disconnected from power and switched on to be on the safer side

>>60917682
Its been off for a month i barely use it.

>>60917690
Sounds good.
Good luck

>>60913160
>>60913256
>>60911837
>>60911896
>>60913620
>>60913505
Are the picture tubes in these TV's brand new, or are they some new old stock that they're just using up?

>>60912765
i carried my 55" up and down 3 flights of stairs multiple times by myself last time I moved. Way fucking easier than a crt. I was almost crushed by a 40"+ crt when I was a kid.

Ignorant here:
Why CRTs can't be thin as the current LCDs?

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Some comfy CRT action going on here!

CRTs are obsolete now that OLED displays are becoming mainstream.

>CRT
>black levels

What the FUCK am I reading?

>>60918134
the whole principle crts are based on makes it near impossible. but that stuff is all on wikipedia

>>60918265
You probably either never had a CRT monitor of a good brand or set the brightness way too high.

Good CRTs had a beautiful image but in therms of image quality they finally got overtaken by average hardware around 2010

>>60918355
I have a trinitron with mediocre black levels. I forget if I ever got around to improving them, but you would at least have to go into the service menu to do so.

>>60918437
That's true.
It's easier to finetune LCDs and usually they work perfectly fine out of the box while CRTs like to be finetuned which most plebs didn't do or even got the cheapest available which is the reason why most people don't have really fond memories of their old CRT monitors.

The good ones (way above $1000) were great but the cheap CRTs were usually awful. Low resolution, blurry, distorted, flickery, or even smelled bad. Expensive ones usually didn't have those problems.

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>>60918116
the biggest consumer crt ever made for usa market was the misubishi megaview 40"

there was a 43" multiscan pvm. I think it was 30k brand new. I think they're all extinct now I found an old article from NYT and the service manual and thats it.

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>>60919428

>tfw I owned a 21" CRT sony and it was heavy as FUCK

this thing was probably as heavy as an elepha-
>200kg
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

hey guys, how do i acquire a set up as seen here?
https://youtu.be/hiXPE68A1dQ?t=33s
any recommended types of small black square boxed tvs with matching rollable furniture to put it on? what is the most patrician-douchebag-hipster choice?

>>60915757
>anime poster is retard who has no idea what he is talking about

BIG SURPRISE.

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>>60919776
I have a 260lb 35" console tv from 1989, the wood chassis weighs more than a modern 80" tv. these shits were theft proof

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I'm waiting for the patents on FED and SED to expire, or someone to make smaller LPD displays.

>>60911806
>>60912433
Shipping cost is the real reason it's an issue.

>>60911678
>Gaymurs will keep buying them up to play super mario or games with crap colour in sub PAL resolutions and for no other purpose

Those assholes on /vr/ can't figure out the scanlines settings in their emulators. Brilliant.

>>60920911
godamn 260lbs?! had some heavy tvs but never that fucking heavy

>>60912173
adding to the "also happens to crt."

have you never seen any older arcade machine while it's off? the burn in is so strong you can practically make out the animation.

if you could find a way to make it thinner and less heavy then yes, but then it would take away from it's aesthetic. but that's a whole other argument, because people want the "retro" element to feed their nostalgia, but others want functionality because the refresh rate can't be beat

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>>60922347
Who cares about those who prefer form over function? Any dildo can make a giant case for an LCD screen if they really wanted that for whatever reason.

>>60917414
>Should i be worried if my CRT is ticking every now and then and image distorts?

It's the capacitor in the flyback. I had a monitor that did that. Replacing those things is very dangerous, I should warn you.

>>60922821
Will it blow up?
It doesn't happen (atleast as often) when i have it in 60Hz instead 85Hz mode.

yeah thread is still up.
>>60918134
the core idea behind crt is that a (really strong) magnetic field changes the flight path of electrons which are fired from an electron gun in the back. The electrons hit the right spot of screen which is combosed of a color matrix, which in return will emite the image that you see.
You have a few combonents which will limit the size of crts:


strong m-fields, which needs to get stronger when you want to make the crt thinner or the screensize bigger.
to generate these fields you need high voltage (i am talking of >10kV) which requires more electronic stuff.
also there is a upper limit of "accuracy" from the electron beam. which makes the electronics behind the m-field even more complicated if you want to make it thinner/bigger.


the elctrons needs to fly in (almost) vacuum.
So you need a tube, which needs to be robust enough to keep up the vacuum.

when the electrons hit the screen from the insight, they also generate xray radiation. which is bad for the body.
To prevent it, the material of the screens is a thicker lead glass, which makes crts really heavy.


it is quite fascinating that from a different perspective, CRTs are much more complicated to understand than lcds, plasma or oleds.

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>>60919428
>"Make sure that the floor is strong enough."
>it literally straight up says this
oh fuck

>>60914253
You're a big guy...

>>60923032
The electron beam traces the picture in a zigzag pattern from the upper left to lower right of the screen. When the bottom right is reached, the beam is turned off and returns to the upper left corner, this is known as the VBLANK phase and it occurs 60x per second on NTSC.

CRTs give off EF that can mean that you can read what's one the screen from hundreds of meters away.

>>60924679
>forgetting the horizontal one
also the in the blank vertical interval had teletext information in it.
afaik horizontal carried synchro information.

>>60924679
>>60923032
On color CRTs, each electron gun also has to be aligned correctly, or converged, to prevent the gun from hitting the wrong colored phosphor. Most TVs made before the 80s had the guns arranged in a triangle, afterwards everyone switched to inline guns to make convergence easier. There are also different deflection angles, computer monitors are normally always 90 degrees. Larger TVs often use 100 degree tubes to reduce the length of the CRT, the tradeoff is more blur along the edges of the display since the electron beam travels on a shallower angle.

Electron guns work by using a heating element to active an emissive coating made from boron and some other substances, the coating releases electrons when stimulated. Like the treading on a tire, it gradually wears off with use and the gun will eventually output fewer electrons until it dies completely. Red guns have a lower life expectancy than blue and green guns because the temperature of the heating element is slightly higher due to the greater energy needed to activate red phosphor.

>>60911678

i saw it already happening for sony trinitrons. I can imagine it being a thing with retro gaming pretty soon.

>>60924750
CRTs may suffer screen burn from displaying a static image for long periods of time, this is common on computer monitors, rarer on TVs. The phosphor retains a static image and becomes permanently damaged. Burn in is more common on monochrome tubes since they lack a shadow mask and the phosphor is thus exposed to the direct energy of the electron gun.

Crt fags need to be gassed. They're gone for a reason. I owned sony and Mitsubishi 21" crts and do not miss them one bit.

>>60913364

i dunno dude, back in the day i used to get sun burn from too much CRT

TV broadcasting is normally interlaced, meaning that after one frame is rendered, the next set of scanlines will be rendered half a line down. Computer displays are usually always progressive scan, meaning that each frame has the scanlines rendered in the same place. The main reason for interlacing TV signals was to save bandwidth, since the technology was designed originally around vacuum tube electronics. Interlaced signals are used by some video game consoles (for example all 6th gen consoles) and 80s computers sometimes had interlaced video modes, but the picture is jerky and not very useful for static pictures, although it is not a problem with TV broadcasts.

Video games and 80s computers actually utilized a clever NTSC hack to display progressive scan images, they would output the odd numbered frames and even frames in the same location, allowing seamless 60 fps progressive scan video, although actually the signal still used interlacing.

Interlacing naturally is impossible on flat panel displays due to their using fixed pixels, trying to feed an interlaced signal into one can lead to strange results depending on the monitor/TV.

>>60924750
The energy needed to move the electron beam around is generated by the flyback transformer, which is an electric winding coil that contains a ginormously high voltage (but very low amperage). Most color CRTs have 25,000V of current in them, monochrome tubes have less. This voltage serves as an electromagnet that pushes the electron beam around inside the picture tube.

>>60923032
As you can see here. An LCD panel is simply a collection of cells whose state changes depending on whether current is applied to them or not. It's little more than a group of visual transistors.

There are also vector monitors, which is a specialized CRT that has magnets on the neck of the tube to move the electron beam in any desired direction, unlike conventional tubes that can move the beam only from the upper left to lower right corner. They were mostly used for CAD systems and some arcade games, and due to the physics of a vector tube, they are only suitable for displaying wire frame images.

Vector tubes were almost always monochrome, a few color ones did exist, but they were difficult to implement and thus rare.

>>60924811
you are getting more rads eating a banana
just google it.