/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

Are you using Arch too?

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Advanced users of GNU/Linux (and I mean advanced), remember to try Source Mage GNU/Linux. True source-based distribution, and (in contrast with Gentoo and Arch) is:
Free from obfuscated and pre-configured code.
Fully committed to GPL, uses only free software (as in freedom) in their main package.
With even the documentation licensed as FDL.
Without 3rd party patches, sensible defaults or masked packages.
Doesn't need obfuscated python libraries, only bash.
Uses clean dependencies as they came from upstream developers, which by the same provides instant updates.
Can heal broken installs.
Can also use flags.

Do you like Arch Linux's AUR? Do you like Gentoo's portgage (or ports-like) package manager? With SMGL's "sorcery" you get all that. Making new spells (packages) not found in the grimoire (repository) is easy http://sourcemage.org/Spell/Book

Bash hackers welcome! Come and join http://sourcemage.org/

reminder to use wayland if you want smooth scrolling videos

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Install Devuan.

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>>60888465

>>60888317
>The only screensaver-esque thing built into Xorg, is the blanking.
Well, yes and no.

X11 has complete screensaver API. Sure, screensaver itself is a third party program, but it's managed in a standardized way, which means that when you're writing a program, you can suspend the screensaver no matter which one the end user has running. Which is the way it should be.

Features implemented by wayland compositors outside of wayland protocol don't really count because it's a non-uniform API and contributes to Linux being shit.

>>60888436
>>60888471
I approve these two

>>60888482
>contributes to linux
????

>>60888507
contributes to "Linux being shit"

>>60888517
How so?

>>60888529
Same feature implemented by different programs outside of a standard protocol means that there will be different APIs for the same action
Which means that developers will have to either write code that works only under specific conditions
Or study every existing API implementing that feature and write X times more code just to get it to work on most machines

>>60888573
But how does it make Linux shit?

>He still needs xorg
>But muh gaymes
Any games worth playing will be made in SDL which features framebuffer support.

>people shilling for wayland
is broken by desing

Tomorrow I'm gonna need to install centos to use sql loader. What's the main difference between DVD and minimal iso ? Does the minimal iso comes with a DE ?

>>60888608
Holy shit you're retarded. Minimal doesn't even include X. It's for servers.

>>60888617
>friendly thread
Hey, he was asking exactly that

>>60888590
Because it makes writing and distributing programs for Linux much much harder

>>60888617
It could have been like debian, that ask you if you want to download and install gnome or whatever DE you want by downloading it during the install

>>60888637
Oh, you were referring to GNU/Linux?

>>60888656
You must be retarded if you didn't get it from the original sentence

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>>60888637
Wayland and systemd are made to break compatibility, on purpose.

Don't you people see, depending on these programs is too risky, and the developers are suspected to jump into a patch-like business like grsecurity by making things as messy like these are.

>>60888675
SystemD is supposed to solve this incompatibility problem by providing unified API for session management, device management, etc.

But the problem is that no one really agreed on this standard
systemd is developed by Red Hat
GNOME is developed by Red Hat too
Most mainstream distros, except maybe SUSE, use GNOME as a default environment
So Red Hat was basically holding hostage most popular DE to force every other distro to jump onto systemd

>>60888748
I had a bitter taste of said "compatibility" with pulseaudio when perfectly functional software started to get deprecated. RedHat always was a business, never cared for anything beyond their pockets, but this is nasty.

window managers are dead. get used to it

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>>60888906

why is void linux so shit

>>60888348
Of course a kike commie would only take free rides.

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What is the best distro if I want a live cd to install gentoo?

>>60889049
kys

What's the most consistent desktop environment? I've noticed in some it suffers a similar problem like what Windows 10 has where different menus look wildly different from other menus, since different applications use different frameworks and shit

Additionally, which desktop looks the best with basically anything? Some desktops I see look beautiful but if you load in a weird application that looks wildly different the whole look falls apart (i.e. Spotify, Discord, etc.)

I've been considering KDE or an older version like KDE 4 or possibly Trinity/3

>>60889323
The one that comes with Gentoo.

>>60889323
install gentoo

>>60889243
SystemRescueCD is basically a Gentoo livecd/liveusb with a browser, gui partitioning tool and everything you need to install gentoo in a more comfy than using official iso, and it's just handy to have around

>>60889323
just buy a mac tbqh

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What are some cool terminal commands?

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mate looks so damn ugly out of the box, anyone have any theme recommendations? green is so gross.

>>60889455

ulimit -u <your favorite allowed max processes>

Now you can run a forkbomb without shitting up your system.

Hello /fglt/, I want to start using GNU/Linux.

I wanted to know which is the most stable distro and that has a wide variety of softwares.

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>>60889455
For you pretty boy

:(){ :|:& };:

though it doesn't compare to bricking a drive like you do.

>>60889486
Clearly Debian, but also look into Devuan.

how do you pronounce devuan?

>>60889414
Not the first time I've seen this recommended, thanks anon.

>>60889526
like ur mom

>>60889526
dev 1

>>60889414
I have a running debian install
can I install Gentoo from it?

>>60889541
>>60889549
9gag pls go

>>60889547
Yes, but you can't resize your root partition from a running system

>>60889557
thanks,
I'm gonna install on a second disk

So I've been using Arch, then Gentoo, but now, seeing so many people running Gentoo, what is the next step so I can feel special again?

>>60889573
think you guys could walk me through this in case I have any trouble?
not the first time installing Gentoo
but having help feels nice

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>>60889575
Install Source Mage

>>60889575
install fedora and pretend you have a job

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>>60889575
Try GuixSD.

>>60889575
Maybe start contributing to Gentoo since you have enough free time to jump from distro to distro

>>60889613
In what ways can one contribute to Gentoo? This is an important question I don't see addressed.

>>60889626
https://www.gentoo.org/get-involved/contribute/
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Contributing_to_Gentoo

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um why can't chrome or firefox do higher than 720p in netflix? How am I supposed to watch 1080p in linux?

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>>60888348
>/t/'s GNU/Linux Videos: >>>/t/713097

so much to pick from

>>60889975
>>>/r/eddit

>>60889975
You really need to ask?

>>60889975
Just pirate your shows.

>>60890043
um ya? is microsoft paying them or something?

>>60889996
see >>>/t/764046

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can someone help me with SSH keys? having trouble(edited)
on ubuntu 16.04 command line
trying to get a public key that works for this API but the keys won't work

ssh-keygen
[enter]
[enter]
[enter]
cd ~/.ssh
mv id_rsa.pub authorised_keys
cat id_rsa

tried that, didn't work

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>>60890053
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as piracy, is in fact, unauthorized copying, or as I've recently taken to calling it, unauthorized sharing. Piracy is not the act of obtaining an unauthorized copy of a copyrighted work, but rather robbery or criminal violence at sea.

Many computer users make unauthorized copies every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the act which is widely performed today is often called piracy, and many of the people who do it are not aware that it is basically copying, and not stealing.

There really is a piracy, and some people are doing it, but it is just robbery at sea. Piracy is an act of theft: an action at sea in which goods are forcefully transferred from one ship to another. Piracy is important to be aware of, but unrelated to unauthorized copying; it can only function at sea. Piracy is normally not used in combination with unauthorized copying: the two acts are basically seperate. All the so-called piracy is really unauthorized copying.

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>>60890088
this

>>60890076
Why does your pepe have that line at the bottom?

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>>60888436
How long will recompiling everything will take? Is a vm with 2gb of ram.

what API is using ssh keys? it doesn't seem like a terribly bad idea but uncommon

>>60890076
you put the authorized_keys file on the server you want to connect to.
why would you cat the private key?

>>60890198
i have no idea what i'm doing, this is what the dev told me to do.

how do I access the pub key??

>>60890249
I suppose you're trying to learn something. Read up on it then.
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Keys

>>60890076
>mv id_rsa.pub authorised_keys
>cat id_rsa
Dumb frogposter
Is this your homework?

How do I run hddtemp as a daemon on startup on Fedora 25?

I have tried adding

RUN_DAEMON="true"

to /etc/sysconfig/hddtemp but it doesn't work.

Help please, I never deal with systemd before.

Friendly reminder that Linux is just the kernel. Other kernels are:
The Muen Separation Kernel https://muen.sk/
and HiStar http://www.scs.stanford.edu/histar/

Operating Systems under GPL are:
FreeVMS http://www.freevms.net/
FreeDOS https://www.freedos.org/
Plan 9 https://github.com/brho/plan9
JNode http://www.jnode.org/
KolibriOS http://kolibrios.org/en/
ReactOS https://reactos.org/

Special mention to GNU/Hurd https://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/
Arch Hurd http://www.archhurd.org/
Debian GNU/Hurd https://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/Hurd

>>60889323
EXWM, literally Emacs as your window manager. It's consistent because it's all the same goddamn program. Mix in Qutebrowser, Zathura, mpv, and a decent X terminal (urxvt, termite, etc.) and you can live entirely submerged in your own rice from the moment your X session starts.

This is not what you want to hear but it's reality - there is no unified vision because there's no one person in charge of everything. The closest you'll get otherwise is GNOME with the default theme if you religiously stick to Gtk3 and Qt5 as your only toolkits.

>>60890570
Don't forget Pistachio, Fiasco.OC, seL4, the Nova microhypervisor, and the OS that runs on all of those plus Muen - Genode.
http://genode.org/

Is Deepin botnet?

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I assume this thread is a good place to ask:

Is the idea of free (libre) software being the dominate form of software feasible in our capitalist system?

Consider the following:
I want to make money from software, because it's the main skill I have that will allow me to feed myself. (This is not an uncommon situation)
>then sell your free software!
but if the source code is freely, people can and often will use my software without paying me
>people still pay for software/movies/etc. when they can pirate them!
Often because of fear of prosecution or downloading malware. Look, there are good, moral people who will purchase software, but are there enough to support a whole industry? It seems mainly large companies would be buying software, and more often than not, small projects would just get pirated.

(This argument has probably been debated before, but I can''t find where.)

>>60890680
Noted. And now I remember Xen is GPL too.

>>60889975
1. don't use netflix
2. get a chromecast or some android box (check /csg/)
3. use something else
4. don't use anything

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>>60890708
>Is the idea of free (libre) software being the dominate form of software feasible in our capitalist system?
Free as in free market. Service oriented business model is the future, and the present https://www.bountysource.com/

>>60888348
Getting my thinkpad x1 carbon in the next few days.
I want to keep the windows 10 install and dual boot but I have not decided on a distro yet.
Should I just stick with ubuntu or mint or what?
Completely new to linux and I'm an incoming CS freshman.

>>60890744
I don't get it

I used to hate Stallman, but it soon turned in a exciting love history. I'm always browsing his photos. I'm not gay tho.

>>60890708
Mobile has basically crushed the software sales business model for end users by normalizing free or sub-$5 prices with monetization coming through ad revenue, donations, or selling hosted services. All of that is still possible with libre software. Internal business software and FOSS contributions are already done by programmers working for businesses not in the software business, or in the FOSS business.

The one place proprietary holds sway is specialized software for other businesses, where the act of paying creates a blame vector pointing back to the software developer when something goes wrong, and much of the money is made on support. This is an asset in oir current shitty, risk averse, lawsuit prone business culture that we've been Jewed into.

So basically you need Hitler before we can go full Stallman.

>>60890724
Is that a Half-Life reference?

>>60890744
that nigga can't count

>>60890744
What if I don't want to redistribute it? Where is my freedom?

>>60890769
If you kickstart bounties to solve performance of games running under WINE you'll get a lot of money. Is that more easy to understand?

>>60890806
If you're not redistributing, all Free Software under whatever license is free to use forever for whatever you want.

>>60890806
Yours is not a free market.

>>60890744
>>60890805
Whenever computer scientists start at 0, I wonder if it's a conscious joke or an actual habit.

>>60890817
I mean, what if I don't want to redistribute the code, closed source.

>>60890827
As long as you don't distribute binaries. So don't be a nigger and don't charge people for what was given for free to you.

>>60890769
I guess that if you see an issue with some code, you might say you will give $100 to whoever fixes it. Or if you want a feature, you'll put up a $500 bounty for someone to make it.

>>60890827
Then you're a bad person and shouldn't be allowed to do that.

>>60890780
>with monetization coming through ad revenue [...] All of that is still possible with libre software.
1) grab source code
2) remove ads
3) compile

Yeah, it's unethical and all, but people will do it. I'd do it if I got annoyed at the ads or I didn't respect the project.

>>60890825
Meh, it legits has a reasoning behind.

>>60890890
I mean in terms of numbering lists on a presentation or in a speech, not as in the actual software application. Such as in the image I replied to.

>>60890069
https://youtu.be/jskq3-lpQnE?t=128

MIT > GPL__SHIT

>>60890935
You -> >>>/trash/

>>60890906
The man binds the application deep into the representation on speeches, so there is the explanation.

>>60890935
I like MIT, better than that shitty BSD license.

>>60890935
Cuckold spotted.

>>60890935
MIT = BSD = Apache = scammed programmers

Just look at the archives, someone mentioned how a programmer made an application and Google left him unemployed because it was in shitty BSD license.

>>60890968
>Nobody would lie on an anonymous website.

>>60890886
Keep in mind that less than 1% of people can use a compiler and less than 5% care about software freedom enough to use Linux or another FOSS OS at home. There are FOSS freemium apps on Android with the full versions on F-Droid that still make money.

>>60890968
That's the point. I don't really care about what people do with my code. Anyway, don't worry attwhore, no big corporation will steal your (I thought it was free software) code.

>>60890986
Linux is a kernel.

>>60890995
Spoken like a true cuck

>>60890986
Contrary to popular belief, the Linux kernel from kernel.org is not free software. It not only recommends non-free software but also actually contains it (i.e., software that does not respect your essential freedoms).

>>60891032
This. Goddamn, this guy is pure laugh.

>>60888348
I unplugged an external hard drive from my computer running Arch and when I plugged it back in the main directory of the drive itself was changed to root being the owner only root having r+w permission, but when I do sudo thunar and go to it as root it says my username is the owner and has all of the permissions. What the heck? I had to plug it into a Windows 8 laptop just to delete a file on the main directory that was wasting space because I couldn't do it on my PC.

>>60891035
delet this

>>60891032
>>60891056
Not him, but the MIT license is fine you guys.

>>60889526
Dave Juan

>>60890803
Xen as Xen server?

>>60891035
The sad truth.

>>60891035
Well, thats why we have linux-libre or you can use distro with a deblobbed kernel like Debian. Not a big deal.

>>60891056
Ad hominem feels nice.
Yeah I got it, GPL is nice for programmers since big corporations won't steal it. I'm not attwhore so I'm rather true freedom as MIT.

>>60891099
>steal
You're still missing the point.

>>60891035
how does that even work when linux is gplv2 licensed?

>>60891106
I'm not the one who brought the topic "steal" to this thread.

>>60891065
Just add a fstab entry, something like this:

nodev,uid=1000,dmask=022,fmask=133

>>60891090
XenServer is a shitty, proprietary product based on the Xen hypervisor itself.

>>60891130
It's referring to firmware blobs that run on peripheral devices. Different processor, different address space, not a derived work of the kernel, so GPL is not violated.

>>60891130
When you release something, you give others a license which grants them specific rights. You, the copyright holder, still have all rights to do what you want with your thing.

>>60891156
Freetards don't care the firmware isn't part of the kernel, they want to complain.

>>60891192
which kernel?

>>60891192
>the f* word
Opinion discarded

>>60891205
Butthurt

how do I rebuild a package on arch/manjaro? I updated boost and some stuff stopped working

>>60891248
Reinstall it? Don't worry it'll just use the db cache so it's fast.

>>60891248
Install GuixSD

>>60891248
It's just Manjaro, not the cool Arch.

>>60891268
delet

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What are some interesting OSs?

I'm not asking which one you use. I'm not asking which ones are popular. I'm asking for extreme or niche or esoteric or novelty OSs.

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>>60890680
>Muen - Genode

>>60891306
Genode as mentioned earlier.
Redox OS for being a graphical microkernel unixlike (think NeXT) but written entirely in Rust and with better integration of URIs instead of just filepaths.
AROS for being a FOSS Amiga clone that's getting multiprocessor and possibly memory protection.

>>60891306
Tails is nice for pedophiles.
OpenBSD to run some servers.

>>60891343
>>60891352
>proprietary shit or cuck license
C'mon guys, we do have alternatives.

>>60891306
Literally these >>60890570

>>60891306
GuixSD and NixOS are the most interesting up and coming distros out there in my opinion. They are complete game changers.

Other unique distros include Void and GoboLinux

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>>60891343
>>60891352
>>60891397
>>60891442
Reading through these now, cheers.

>HiStar http://www.scs.stanford.edu/histar/
pic related

>>60891442
GuixSD has an interesting package manager, if I understand well its automation is the strong point but also its hash over packages. GoboLinux does some funky shit to its filesystem.

I would add Bedrock because you can use package from Arch, Ubuntu and others, interesting stuff. Also Source Mage, for which is what I would like to see the aforementioned features implemented but is already impressive to see the full power of Bash.

why did my computer automatically switch from ubuntu to trisquel?

who's running wayland on freebsd yet?

>>60892475
some l33t haxor thinks he's helping you.

Has anyone of you met rms before? I have questions.

>systemd makes many daemons obsolete
Is this true? What CAN'T systemd do?

>>60893332
Get RMS to slim down.

>>60888348
What distro should I try out?
Mint feels bloated and resource-hogish

>>60893398
Also how the fuck do I get my pc to not grind to a halt when memory is low and just kill some chrome processes instead?

https://youtu.be/XMm0HsmOTFI?t=45m30s

>>60893332
What it can't do is ever be replaced by anything else if people really let this clown show go on any longer.

>wow, I'm so glad systemd was able to replace our old init systems, how wonderful is it that they were programmed using the Unix way making it extremely easy to swap them out with something new
>Oh what's that? Systemd doesn't follow the unix way and will never be replaceable, who cares about that? All I care about is just whurks, that's why I use GNU/Linux in the first place instead of Windows lol
-- every systemdfag ever

What is the ideal OS? I wnat it to have verything possibly in their repository that I can imagine downloading. Because some OSs have shit and others don't and you have to compile from source.

A lot of times I don't have time for that, I have to focus and work but I don't want to move to windows or ubuntu.

I have compiled and installed gentoo and arch from source and I don't want to use these.

I currently use Slackware, it is good, but it lacks a lot of packages I am interested in.

Is there such an OS? Or should I move on and try out BSD?

>>60893482
install gentoo

>>60893504
I have done that Anon. I have graduated from gentoo.

Though, I do love their package manager. Though, I doubt they have everything out there.

>>60893482
NixOS

>>60893482
>compiled arch
nice meme

>>60893511
>Nix stores all packages in isolation from each other; as a result there are no /bin, /sbin, /lib or /usr directories and all packages are kept in /nix/store instead.
What the fuck?

>>60893511
its shit

>>60893529
Installed* Sorry.

>>60893532
You got a problem with that motherfucker?

>>60893543
It's different. I'll try it out. But it will be weird, after using loonix for years.

>>60893482
>What is the ideal OS?
The one I'm using!

>>60893554
>loonix
>>>/r/eddit

>>60893562
Got a problem with that motherfucker?

>>60893554
Gahnoo/Loonix*

>>60893566
>>60893554
kys retard

>>60893573
Oh right, I forgot.

>>60893554
The Nix style package manager is the future. OSes like NixOS and GuixSD basically solve every problem with package management and shared library linking ever.

They're declarative, completely reproducible, and source based.
You'd literally never have to reinstall these OSes ever because setting the configuration file how you want it produces a system exactly identical to a fresh install.

>>60893585
>DevOps-friendly
On their website it says this. Why isn't it in Amazon AWS?

>>60893603
see >>60893540

>>60893606
Then does that mean there is no OS that has a repo with all the software out there? I need to get compile from source if it doesn't exist?

>>60893606
You're cruisin' for a bruisin' buddy

>>60893468
I think the problem is less systemd taking care of lots of shit, but rather the devs of the programs that depend on it not making their programs flexible enough. It's not systemd's fault people can't into modular software design.
If it bothers you so much, just modify the programs to not depend on systemd, or write an init system that follows the UNIX(r) philosophy while taking care of all the things systemd does, or create a compatibility layer that lets extends whatever init system you like so that the combination of init system + your new middleware emulates systemd's behaviour as far as other programs dependent on systemd are concerned.

>>60893585
>NixOS
how can nixos be the future if it uses systemd?

>>60893644
read >>60893606

>>60889323

That's not desktop environment related. It's related to the programs themselves, that is, their toolkits.
With the right theme, you can get a consistent look across GTK2/3 and Qt4/5 programs easily.

>>60893511
>MIT/X11 license
dropped

>>60889494

>bricking a drive like you do.
Careful now, what do you mean?

>>60893691
Use guix then, gplv3.
https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/

>>60893644
Not the OS. I said "Nix style package management". Which includes Guix (I said Nix style though because I think Guix is actually based off of it)

There will probably be other OSes in the near future that also use the same style of package management.

>>60891248

Surely you must know that if you installed the software in the first place.

whats up with this
>made with <3
at all websites recently?

>>60893332

It handles services (daemons). It doesn't replace them, idiot.
It offers simpler versions of some things. I use its NTP feature, because I don't need ntpd's features. No one is preventing you from running the full-fledged other programs.

>>60893737
They're trying to excuse their lack of ability and creativity.

>>60893603

>using something that unironically uses the word devops

>>60893737

It's a fad, a buzzphrase. It's meant to show you how cute and quirky they and their software is. It doesn't mean anything other than "we're hip, you should use this software".

>>60893758
The sysadmin meme is getting out of the business. The new term is devops now Anon.

Like applications became apps.

Gotta stay with the new shit, how bad it is.

>>60890708
>I want to make money from software, because it's the main skill I have that will allow me to feed myself.
Well, just get a job, that's more or less your only option

If you want to make money off developing libre software, get a job at a company that does that

>>60890780
Most of the mobile sales aren't libre software though
Hell, even libre software usually has non-free mobile clients
And with libre software with ads you will most likely get parasited on
Because that one percent that can recompile it, probably will recompile it and put it up on store next to your variant and it's going to be more popular

>>60893767
>applications became apps
They have always been apps, the problem is that people call programs apps, but programsa aren't apps.

is it wrong that I am trying to make my ubuntu feel like windows like moving the taskbar on the bottom and making it so you can minimize icons when you press on them in the task bar

>>60893819
No, just do it. Windows is bad because it's malware, not because it looks shit.

>>60893819
Nope. Do whatever makes you feel comfortable.

Also, there is LXLE if you are interested.

what is the best distro for daily use?

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>>60893848
Should it also be lightweight and user-friendly?

>>60893848

I don't know what a good daily driver is, but if you're looking for a fortnightly driver, I recommend blackPanther OS. For more sparse usage, like monthly usage, I recommend Nanolinux.
But what you should really consider is killing yourself.

>>60893848
FreeBSD

>>60893873
oh yes, that would be great

>>60893885
beware, in bsd land free is open and open is free
use OpenBSD

>>60893848
>>60893886
Solus

>>60893885
>>60893900
>>60893902

LOL!

>>60893848
the one this guy is using: >>60893556

let me rephrase my question
what distro is /fglt/ using?

>>60893965
uremomos

>>60893965
Gentoo

>>60893965
Source Mage GNU/Linux

>>60893965
Funtoo

>>60893965
Devuan ofc.

>>60893965
Xubuntu with i3 on top/

>>60894056
>i3
>not i3-gaps
are you into men?

>>60894079
>wasting valuable screen space
I don't value form over function, fuck off ricer brainlet.
>friendly GNU/Linux thread
>friendly
... please.

>>60893965
Noobuntu :(

>>60894079
>use a tiling window manager, a tool specifically designed to make the most out of your available screen space
>ZOMG lets put fuckhueg gaps between windows so my generic moeshit vector on a solid background pokes through!!11

How can you monitor who's doing who if they ssh into your computer?

cat /dev/pts/1 for example does nothing and breaks.

checking .bash_history won't work because it only updates after they log out.

Is there a single reason to use Arch? I've been on it since March (heh) and while the initial install was pretty easy and there haven't been any real problems there are so many little minor annoyances that come with using it, to the point where I unironically considered buying a used iMac off of ebay just so I wouldn't have to set up my fucking OS from scratch. I have no idea how people even rice this when there's no way to know when you're finished setting up the system. Ironically, none of the usual meme reasons are why Arch is shit, it's that it works too well without even being fully set up.

>>60894226
>Is there a single reason to use Arch
um ya the wiki

>>60894214
Enable command logging, for example with bashlogger and syslog-ng

>>60888436
>Without 3rd party patches
>uses Linux kernel

>>60889575
Void

>ubuntu
>sudo apt-get autoremove
>removes tons of shit I still need
I thought it would only remove unnecessary packages?

Am I retarded?

>>60894480
If you liked it, you should'a put a manually-installed flag on it.

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okay, so I use

 locate

to find files.

the output is usually like

# locate *cheese*pizza*
/home/pedo/23cheese/folder name/new pizza.pdf

is there anything I can pipe the reslut through so that this is the output:

/home/pedo/23cheese/"folder name"/"new pizza.pdf"

I just don't want to manually quote stuff.

>>60894504
You don't need to quote, you can escape spaces with

folder\ name

>>60894553
but i'd have to dso that manually

>>60894578
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2871181/replacing-some-chars-with-another

So I'm guessing something like

locate *cheese*pizza* | tr \ \\\ 

?

>>60894593
>>60894578
Oop, nevermind, here you got:

locate *cheese*pizza* | sed -r 's/[ ]+/\\\\ /g'

>>60894628
Or sed -r 's/[\\ ]+/\\\\ /g'

>>60893886
Gentoo is your only choice then

>>60894638
>>60894628
That doesn't really work for me, I want to pass it to mpv after.

This is what I've managed, but I need to remove the first quote.

locate *cheese*pizza* | tr \\n \"" " |  sed -r 's/\//"\/"/g'

>>60894691
Why are you using both tr and sed? Just use sed.

SSBsb3ZlIHlvdSBhbm9uIDozCg==

>>60894698

locate *cheese*pizza* | sed -r 's/\\n/\"" "/g'  | sed -r 's/\//"\/"/g'

>>60894714
>>60894698
the first is for the newline.

This guy here >>60894480

autoremove removed samba, I installed it again, but I can no longer connect to a windows share which worked before, what else could autoremove have removed that I need?

hi everyone. would like to ask something, please.

>>60894714
done.

 locate *cheese*pizza* | sed -r 's/\\n/\"" "/g'  | sed -r 's/\//"\/"/g' | sed -r 's/^"//g'

>>60894739
Ask, why are you asking to ask?

>>60894756
What he posted wasn't a question, it was a statement.

>>60894743
Nice.

>>60894761
Now is it is a question?.

>>60894776
No, but this most recent post of yours was one.
The period after the question mark also should not be there. Please remove it.

>>60894743
improved

locate *cheese*pizza* | sed -r  -e 's/\//"\/"/g' -e 's/^"//g' | awk 1 ORS='"'

>>60894737
>autoremove removed samba, I installed it again, but I can no longer connect to a windows share which worked before, what else could autoremove have removed that I need?
And now you know why not to use autoremove :')

>>60894737
I just noticed when I try to connect to a server in nautilus which starts with "smb://" it says the data server type is not recognized, I guess that's the issue

But I have no idea how to fix it

>>60894756
To be polite and friendly. Well, here my question, i need an advice; What should i choose between Lutris and Gnome games? (or something else, maybe?)

thank you,
anonymous.

>>60894878
Yes, I've learned my lesson, but now I'm more concerned with fixing what I broke

>>60894737
Can't you find the list of packages that were removed at /var/log/apt/history.log or maybe /var/log/dpkg.log?

Inb4 connection error.

>>60895016
I wish I could help you. I'm trying to figure out how to prevent my pc from becoming totally unresponsive when out of memory

If I want to learn one programming language and be good at it, which one should I choose?

Primarily I want to write smaller programs and tools that help me around on the system. Should I choose a scripting language like Perl or Python or should I go for something more powerful like C or C++ just in case I want to build something more complex eventually?

I dabbled in a lot of the languages during the years but never went more than the beginner/intermediate levels. So I want to pick up and learn something and learn it good.

why do distros have so much bloatware? just give me the obvious stuff like sudo, nano, firefox, and thunderbird, then let me figure out the rest.

I never use crap like libreoffice

>>60895126
This, Libreoffice especially. It's even packaged with DEs on some distros.
It's usually either a bunch of bloatware or a bare minimum where you have to spend half a day installing the actual basic tools like sudo, browser, file manager, DE and other stuff.

>>60895126
>>60895152
install a minimal distribution

>>60895017
Yeah, that works, but it's a list of a few thousand lines even if I grep only the date where I called autoremove. If I further filter by lines which have "remove" in them, it's still a few hundred. Filtering by "smb", "samba" and "nautilus" on the other hand gives me only packages that I already reinstalled

>>60895179
This is the complete list

https://pastebin.com/b205WJ2M

I started using Ubuntu and tried using my Logitech R400 Presenter. It works out of the box, but the dongle should also work as a USB stick. Where in the explorer would I find the USB stick to transfer files on now? I don't understand this whole "home" structure.

Also, is there a keyboard combination to switch to other workplaces? I know I can shove windows around with [CTRL]+[SHIFT]+[ALT]+[some arrow key], but how can I switch to the other workplace with just the keyboard? I also know I can make custom keyboard combinations, but I don't know the command line command to switch to another workplace.

Lastly, the same problem for the document viewer Evince. There doesn't seem to be a hotkey for highlighting text. I'd really like to set it to "h".

>>60895306
>document viewer Evince
(the default document viewer on Ubuntu)

>>60895179
>a few hundred removed packages in one go
Well, I guess you got guts to answer "y" to that, I gotta give you that.

If I were in your place, aside from considering the possibility that my DE might require restarting to load new functionality, a notion so detestable that I will not even bring it up here, what I'd do is browse the dependencies of those obvious packages that you re-installed already.

I'd start by looking at their dependants. Maybe those packages are the low-level stuff, and a higher-level metapackage installs additional stuff to make things easier.

I don't know the CLI magic for this, I use synaptic.

>>60895314
>>60895306
Two more things:

1. How can I type in an address in the file explorer?

2. Is it intentional that "/fglt/" can be used as an acronym for "faglet"? Do you refer to each other to faglets in here? No homo.

>>60895332
>to faglets
as faglets*

>>60895306
Ubuntu should automatically add the mounted USB drive on the sidebar.

I am not sure about the workplace shortcuts but I think you can press super(windows key) + F1 or ctrl+F1 to open up the popup with unity keyboard shortcuts.

>>60895332
Been a while since I used Ubuntu but if they use the same file manager as in GNOME you can just use Ctrl+L to edit the location path.

>>60895347
That works, thank you. Is there a way to switch back, too?

>>60895379
I believe you just click outside of the text and it returns to normal. Or it will reset when you reopen the file manager.

>>60895324
>Well, I guess you got guts to answer "y" to that, I gotta give you that.
Yes, I was assuming that autoremove was safe, but I guess the fact that it told me it would free up 2 GB of memory should have been a hint

>If I were in your place, aside from considering the possibility that my DE might require restarting to load new functionality
Thanks, that worked

I had already restarted before after reinstalling some of the packages, which did not work, then reinstalled some others and rebooted again and now it is (at least partially) fixed

>>60895332
>How can I type in an address in the file explorer?
GTK3 usability strikes again

Next thing you'll ask is how to jump to files starting with a specific letter

>>60895287
What the shit. Just quickly went through it.

Pity-you'd-uninstall-it tier:
>command-not-found

You'd-probably-be-better-off-keeping-it tier:
>aptdaemon
>update-manager-core
>ubuntu-release-upgrader-core

How-the-fuck-did-you-even-manage-to-uninstall-it tier:
>ubuntu-standard
>ubuntu-minimal
>python

>>60895343
>Ubuntu should automatically add the mounted USB drive on the sidebar.
I see. It actually is just a receiver, not an USB stick, too. Wrong model.

>I am not sure about the workplace shortcuts but I think you can press super(windows key) + F1 or ctrl+F1 to open up the popup with unity keyboard shortcuts.
Cool, I didn't know about that. That should just be the default F1, since the help document doesn't even work in 17.04.

Just saw that you can press [Super]+[s] to bring up the workplaces overview, but that's still not quite it, since I need another 2 button presses to select the workplace I want, rather than just pressen somethingsomething to directly get to workplace #2.

>>60895390
It doesn't return to normal when you click outside, but it resets when you reopen the file manager. Thank you.

>>60895416
>how to jump to files starting with a specific letter
He's definitely gonna have fun with that lmao
Nautilus is pure shite

>>60895430
Yeah, I realized I had made a mistake when I opened a new terminal and it wasn't the gnome terminal, I have reinstalled most packages that seemed important to me since then

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>>60894940
>still no answer

>>60894940
Lutris definitely

Which desktop for Arch?

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>>60896008
have you actually used both?

>>60896139
XFCE for all distros.

>>60896154
Yeah but I'm gonna be honest with you, I didn't mess around with gnome games enough to say anything about it. It basically looked just like a touchscreen friendly game launcher with big thumbnails.
Lutris has tons of features and works nicely tho.

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>>60896221
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/gnome-games-3-24-improvements#comment-3196083549

or pic

>>60896221
>>60896242
also,

lutris is programmed in python
gnome games is programmed in Vala

Openbox users, can you check your output of "ps" and see if your autostart is running twice? Can you also write on which distribution you are and how you're starting Openbox?

 1003 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/bin/openbox --startup /usr/lib/openbox/openbox-autostart OPENBOX
 1024 ?        S      0:00 sh /home/me/.config/openbox/autostart
 1025 ?        S      0:00 sh /home/me/.config/openbox/autostart

How could I troubleshoot this?

>>60888348
Why is X11 so bloated? Just to get graphics on the screen you have to install over 300 X packages. How much better is Wayland?

have you ever wrote even a single line of linux kernel code? if not, you are an egoist who don't deserve to use our linux.

>>60896485
If I just add a printf line at the beginning that says "Welcome to linux" would that be okay?

>>60896430

>over 300
Name them.

>>60896500

I just wrote my first kernel patch.

@@ -1 +1 @@
-printf "Welcome to linux"
+printf "Welcome to Linux"

>>60896555
There, now we are both fit to use the Linuxes

>>60896538
The following have their own dependencies that have their own dependencies:

xserver-xorg (2 1:7.7+16ubuntu3) libgl1-mesa-glx (16 (null)) libgl1 (0 (null)) libgl1-mesa-dri (0 (null)) libglu1-mesa (0 (null)) xfonts-base (2 1:1.0.0-1) x11-apps (0 (null)) x11-session-utils (0 (null)) x11-utils (0 (null)) x11-xkb-utils (0 (null)) x11-xserver-utils (0 (null)) xauth (0 (null)) xinit (0 (null)) xfonts-utils (0 (null)) xkb-data (0 (null)) xorg-docs-core (0 (null)) xterm (16 (null)) x-terminal-emulator (0 (null)) xinput (0 (null)) xfonts-scalable (2 1:1.0.0-1) xorg-docs (0 (null)) xfonts-100dpi (2 1:1.0.0-1) xfonts-75dpi (2 1:1.0.0-1) x11-xfs-utils (0 (null)) xorg:i386 (32 (null)) 

>>60896500
should i have used the third-person singular after who? like in
"you are an egoist who doesn't deserve to use our linux".

>>60896600

Whether it's bloated or not, that's not how you decide if something is bloated.
Packaging depends on the packager. I can see at least a few of those that aren't needed, like the documentation, xinit or utilities.

To the guy that used autoremove: You have to mark packages you need as "manually installed". It was likely that smb client was shipped with the installation and therefore is not marked as "manually installed". Marking a package as manually installed should help you with packages that are automatically removed but you still need em.

>>60896485
wayland is a meme that no one use contrary to mir or the graphic server from google.

>>60896600
Two reasons:
>Unix philosophy: multiple small "do one thing and do it right" tools.
>X windows system is 30 years old.

>>60896749
Unix philosophy is now obsolete and shall be forgotten once for good.

>>60896796
Hey Lennart, nice to see you back fella.
Don't forget you built your tiny kingdom on Unix philosophy which you cheerfully stomped afterwards.

>>60896731
Different guy here: once I've made sure that no packages I still need are listed as auto-removable, is it safe to use apt-get autoremove?
Also why does apt not have an autoremove command, but still lists autoremovable packages, and suggests using apt-get to remove them instead of, say copy-pasting them and apt remove'ing or apt purge'ing them?

>>60896852
>Also why does apt not have an autoremove command
why would it? There's a tool that does this, in a regular use scenario you use apt because it's easy and has fancier output - you need a package, you pull a package not for administrative tasks.

>>60896865
I thought apt was supposed to replace apt-get in the long run? Plus someone told me I should not (not "need not", actually "should not") mix apt-get and apt, and stick to one. I figured maybe they kept track of installed packages differently and that might lead to confusion..

>>60896430
>How much better is Wayland?
Wayland is not a program, it's a protocol on how to implement graphical mode on Linux

There's no X11 when you're using wayland, but all X11 functions are now delegated to compositors and programs running under said compositors

Programs now have to be able render themselves into a framebuffer. It's not a big deal if you use Qt or GTK3 as a toolkit.

Compositor have to implement: window manager functions, input device handling & input device configuration, and functions that are not allowed for wayland clients by design (recording video, taking screenshots, etc.)

You get rid of X11 with Wayland, but because of it all desktop environments get additional code and libraries implementing functions required by Wayland.

Small non-DE WMs just die off because writing a compositor is much harder than writing a WM. Programs that don't use Qt or GTK die off too.

>>60896735
>mir
Lmao, like every other Ubuntu related project, mir has been abandoned

>>60896881
>I thought apt was supposed to replace apt-get in the long run?
Then you thought wrong.

man apt

OK. So I can apt-get autoremove to my heart's content, yes?
I mean, I could also run

sudo apt purge $(sudo apt install | grep -E '^ ')

>>60896904
Are you too dum to read the output of apt-get autoremove?

If yes, don't use it.

>>60894842
How about

locate -0 stuff | xargs -0 mpv

already sick of GNOME. is Budgie good or just a meme?

>>60897130
bretty meme if you ask me

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got rid of so much shit in my install I get 40 minutes more of battery life under light load lol.
fuck 1980s style *nix feels good mon

I gave given up and installing kubuntu anything I should know?

>>60896430
multiple packages is not always a bad thing.

The scenario where it could be bad is when you depend on a lot of different software projects you have no control over and your project breaks if there is updates to any of these dependencies.

Another case would be where you include a lot of large libraries in order to reuse simple functions which makes the program unnecessarily big.

In the case of X, a lot of these are the same project and they are mostly split up in order to simplify things.
In the packages you mentioned in >>60896600
you can see there is a server, cpu drivers and gpu drivers, fonts and some tools.

If you make a window manager where all these things are contained in the same application, it might be less bloated, but you end up with a less reusable code.

>>60893412
Switch to Firefox.

>>60893412
>chrome
Found the problem

>>60897095
This is great. The only problem here is that it plays the results one by one so you can't do prev/next.

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how do i make it display thumbnails rather than this?

using thunar

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>>60897604
What OS do you think you're using?

More freedoms here: >>60897655

>>60897604
You file a bug report and then wait 13 years of being actively ignored by the devs.

>>60897636
>>60897844
no dice huh?

just imagine i posted a sad reaction image

>>60897576
>>60897488
But firefox is shit

>>60897929
use IceCat or Nightly

>>60897929
>>60897937
Waterfox and Pale Moon are also great options

>>60897937
>>60898047
>firefox is shit
>>have you tried these firefox forks?
what makes you think I would like them if I said firefox is shit?

>>60898159
Firefox isn't shit. You're shit, son.

>>60897604
https://jkisielewicz.fedorapeople.org/#gtk2-filepicker

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>>60898254
Tbh mozilla seems like it's mishandling firefox terribly. I guess this is what you get when you hire for diversity instead of talent
Pic related lol, or just any of the thousands of comments from disgruntled ex-firefox users on mozilla's blog.

>>60898159
bitch your only options are webkit, mozilla, and IE, so just pick a fork that respects your freedoms and customize it if you're that stubborn

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>>60898478
Another very happy firefox user pleased with the direction mozilla is taking the browser

>>60898478
>>60898580
That's why you use GNU IceCat.

>>60898782
it's basically identical except the codebase is older

>>60899066
Well, you're complaining about the recent changes to the code so... why not use a fully free, FSF supported fork that lacks these changes?

>>60899103
>hurr durr why not use a soon-to-be-deprecated old version of an inferior browser that probably won't even get security patches in a timely fashion
:')

>>60899128
It does get security patches and the fact that it's based on an older FF version should be a plus considering you don't like the newer ones.