How screwed is intel: Threadripper: Under $1000 64 PCIE lanes

>>60787505
What does 64 lanes mean?

Wait until release.

>>60787519
Ever wanted to run 4 video cards at 16x?

I thought Intel had a bunch of innovations and crazy experimental stuff stashed away to remain competitive with whatever AMD offers. I guess I was wrong; this really caught them with their pants down.

>>60787519
How many lanes the CPU has to communicate with the PCIE lanes and the things in them such as graphics cards and raid cards. Not a big deal for graphics cards because they don't even max out 16 lanes each, but it is a big deal for servers with RAID cards.

>>60787530
Nice

>>60787525

>>60787505
Intel is screwed over their pricing but performance wise the Threadripper will lag or be competitive with the Intel 12 core

It's the same Ryzen meme launch again

>1800X will destroy the 7700k
>Vega is 1080/1080Ti performance
>Threadripper is """equal""" to Intel's 18-core
(lol

AMDrones barely bought the 1800X and favored the 1700 and 1600 which are mid-level CPUs, now they're hyping a CPU that they could not buy

>>60787525

Is Threadripper our guy?

>>60787688
>1800X will destroy the 7700k
>source : my boi ass
since when ?

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>>60787519
It can accept a lot of U2 drives which are rather rare currently so it will be niche product. and even then existing solutions already use pcie hubs if you really want that many U2 disks. pic related

>>60787548
raid cards and hbas are generally only 8x and would not benefit from this

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>>60787505

JIM KELLER
JEM KILLER
JEW KILLER

>>60787688
In workstation loads, the 7700k is a joke. The 1800X kills Intel's lineup in performance for money. Considering Threadripper is designed for workstations (not faggot gaymerz), Intel is fucked.

>>60787816
>top pops open like a tape recorder

That's pretty sexy.

How do I get paid for posting in here?

>>60787519
4 GPUs at 16x (compute crowd will go wild)
2 GPUs at 16x and 8 NVME drives at 4x
Storage server with 16 NVME devices at 4x

Basically you'll never have to wonder if you'll have enough expansion for something ever again. You'll almost certainly run out of slots to put stuff into before you run out of lanes.

>>60787830
Delet

>How do I get paid for posting in here? Please respond.

Please respond.

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Intel is this screwed.

>>60787976
>>60787986
>>60787995
Pls respond.

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>>60787996
>cucking yourself

>>60787976
>>60787986
>>60787995
>>60788003
>How to money? Pls respond.

>>60787505
Intel is dead, Apple is going to buy Intel.

>>60787505
how much will the 12 core be?

>>60788237
Probably $700

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>>60787505
>falling for the intel/amd moar cores meme

>>60788278
Single core is all you need.

>>60787830

The contract keller.

>>60787505
Don't forget your $300 RAID dongle, expensive motherboard, water cooler and delidding kit.

>>60787519
Holy shit summer is here

>>60787730
>muh gaymes

>>60788280

Where the fuck are my hundred stage 7ghz single cores reeeee

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>>60788374
>mfw amd is soldering their chips so poorjeets cant even delid their chips

Stop being poor and buy intel

>>60787505
Why would anybody buy more than 2 videocards at this day and age. Fuck, even buying more than one nowadays is a meme. It isn't needed for shit, or you wanna play 4k resolution which i hope you don't.

And for that reason more PCIE lanes aren't all that great to have.

>>60788394
You do not want to awaken the evil known as Tejas.

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>>60788407
>I've never seen a workstation in my life

>>60788407
Someone will find a use for it. this is the HEDT platform, so you don't have to worry about the target audience, if someone is interested chances are they want something it has, otherwise there is X370 and lower for everyone else.
Now that storage is starting to feed heavily off PCI-E lanes, it starts to matter as you have both GPUs and storage.

>>60788414

But I want to burn down my apartment

What would be a better accelerant than a p5?

>>60788439
It's funny, because up till now the 2P Intel workstations that were often used for intense workloads actually had 80 PCI-E lanes (40 per CPU), so you could not only have 4-way 16x, but still have enough left over for fast storage as well.
At least with this most people can actually afford something that's not old stock from some IT company so there's that.

>>60788407
Are you defective? The fuck would make you think it's all for gaming.
Sure you can play games with them. But there's much more cost effective solutions.

>>60788405
>needing to delid your cpu because the kikes at Intel decided to cheap-out on the IHS

>>60788407
>implying this is for videogames
only retards would buy this shit for videogames alone
this is going to be extremely good for freelancers and small businesses or startups

>>60787708
Not yet.

Not until they release the PSP source code.

>>60788546
>r freelancers and small businesses or startups
Thread ripper can easily replace 3-4 racks.

>>60788572
that too, but this shit is going to make things so much more affordable for a variety of businesses

>>60788582
Yeah. I forgot to add """""Cheap""""" racks.
Really looking at around a $3K saving.
Only reason to bypass thread ripper id if you really hate seeing your tax dollars go to useful services. so you buy racks anyway to claim back more.

>>60788499
>2P Intel workstations
As rare as the unicorn. Easily replaced by one EPYC.

>>60787816
In a desktop/workstation build you can run M.2 SSDs on PCIe cards.

>raid cards and hbas are generally only 8x and would not benefit from this
With 60-odd lanes to play with you can run a lot of storage, a couple gpus and still have bandwidth left over for other shit like video capture cards

>>60787978
I'm looking at dual or triple gpus (vm passthrough, not gaymer autism), a couple x4 capture cards and some nvme ssds and/or a raid controller to wring speed out of a stack of hdds

excited as fuck about having lanes to spare for a change desu

>>60788405
Nobody's going to buy intel.

>>60788633
>2P Intel workstations
>As rare as the unicorn.

they are ubiquitous at my work. we have tons of them, all running ubuntu.

>>60788683
ubuntu? why

>>60788645
OH SHIT
3 GPU PASSTHROUGHS
THAT MEANS 3 DIFFERENT VM OS + 1 HOST OS
AT THE SAME
TIME
but how do I assign a different IP address per VM OS?

>>60788368
>contract keller
fucking lol

>>60788645

this.

if threadripper is ~$800, i'd strongly consider for my main. Not a gaymer.

>>60788698
Not him, but Ubuntu 8 and 10 were pretty damn perfect. Everything they set out to do just worked out of the box.

I wonder if 18 will be decent again once they ditch Unity and the Systemd transition has finished teething.

>>60788712
>>but how do I assign a different IP address per VM OS?
NIC spoofing and control over DHCP (pfsense?)

For some reason I'm currently doing forensics on some ~10TB of images using log2timeline on my R7 1700 system. Cant imagine how timeconsuming that would have been on a gamurr corelet 7600k setup. My only regret was that I didnt know about Threadripper when i pulled the trigger on the 1700..

>>60789452
threadripper will cost at least 3 times of 1700. and I'm not counting premium prices for x399 board.

Explain why do you guys shill AMD so much even though they fail in everything they try?

>>60789758
Looks like the Intel shills have completely run out of ways to trick people into buying Intel chips, so they're just throwing around vague and meaningless shit like this.

>>60789786
Still no explanation. I guess it's too hard to let go of AMD

>>60787688
1800x destroys 7700k in workloads you dingus.
Vega is yet to be seen.
Threadripper is more efficient and has more pcie lanes.
Intel may jack up and make 2cores out of 18cores good, but it'll still be expensive shit.
Just stop shilling and help me DELID my 7700k

>>60789794
Nobody's falling for your shit anymore.

INTEL IS DONE FOR

PAJEETS WON

>>60789758
Better workload CPU's at a better price

>>60789798
Yeah, sounds a lot like AMD's current state

>>60789828
Intel shill shoo shoo

>>60788405

I don't think you understand the purpose of delidding. Nobody wants to delid a SOLDERED cpu you dumbfuck cretin.

>>60788394
A die shrink of Excavator to 7nm would clock to 8ghz 24/7.
28nm -> 7nm is 1/6th power draw.

>>60788405
Delidding voids warranty and is only done because Intel uses shitty thermal paste.

>>60787505
I wouldn't be surprised if Threadripper beats Intel's 18 core in quite a few workloads too. The $500 1800X beats the $1500 Intel 6950K in quite a few benchmarks, despite the 6950K having 10 cores and the 1800X only having 8.

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>>60788407
Assrock already made a board with 13 PCIe slots since people these days need that many videocards.

>>60787688
kek what?

The 8 core 1800X has two less cores than a 10 core 6950X and is only fractionally less powerful, it actually performs better in some cases.

>>60789846
This is not how how it do.

>>60789758
Because intel is garbage.

>>60789882
Bad goy

EIGHT (8) HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARIDOOS

>>60789437
Multiple usb or internal NICs assigned to the individual VMs.

You know what's really spooky? Zen2 on 7nm HP FinFETs.

>>60790382
But you'd still end up with the same external IP

>>60789863
>pciex1
Those are probably for sound, networking, and storage.

>>60788499
PCI-E bandwidth doubles with each generation. 1.0 16x has same bandwidth as 3.0 4x.

>>60790405
Well if you want external IPs just run each VM through a different VPN.

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Serious question;

So is the threadripper a larger die size, like two 8core chips matched together for what is essentially a "dual cpu" board?

Just seems that way, the way the specs look.

Don't get mad. I'm not very deep into computers engineerings.

>>60790777
It's two Zeppelin (imagine 1800x) dies on one PCB.

>>60787688
1800x destroys 7700k . Oh wait you mean in muh gayms ?? Who the fuck buys a 500 $ cpu for games ? 1800x matches 6900k in productiviy

>>60789794
Go suck more INTEL DICK , and while you are at it , eat some thermal paste after you have to delid your cpu cause intel are bunCH OF CHEAP FUCKS

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>>60787505

Don't forget that RAID is not available until you pay $300 for a flash drive with the activation key

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Every thread, every fucking thread the same desperate as shill is here saying how people don't "need" this or that our how Pentium are perfectly fine.

If I ever find you faggot I'm gonna make you eat a fucking Pentium while you watch your stock crash like the fucking titanic.

>>60790777
It is two 1800x chips i think.

But it's not shit like sli and such, they are put together in such a way that they work extremely well and scaling is practically linear. There's very few if any drawbacks to the implementation.

>>60790930
>very few
If any.

>>60790941
That's exactly what i said

>>60790930

INFINITY FABRIC
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>>60790930
I believe that the 1700, 1700X and 1800X are all the exact same silicon with different binning, seeing as some people are getting 1800X clocks from OC'ing their 1700s. So a TR can be binned with performance as high as an 1800X, but it's not guaranteed.

In terms of value proposition, AMD could very well sell the multiple tiers of 16-core offerings as a simple doubling of price, completely ignoring the exponential pricing scale used by their competitor.

>>60790984
That's exactly correct, I did exactly that earlier today.

Got a 3.8 oc on my servers 1700, beats the 1800x stock speeds slightly and the bench mark score backs it up, it's literally the same chip at different speeds.

Really nice actually, basically got an 1800x for 300 bucks. Beats the living shit out of a 5960X too. Score was like 35k vs 47k.

>>60790930
There will always be some tasks which do not scale well on physically separated dies.
The matter is that there are few of them.

>>60791040
Cachebound shit also suffers from ebin gigantic slices of L3 with HUEG latency. Quad core is your best solution for these tasks.

>>60791040
If you are buying something like thread ripper you will probably understand this, it's not your mom's shit cpu that some staples drone sold her for commission, professionals and enthusiasts will be the audience and they know exactly what they want and need.

Not to mention I don't think this chip will be in any prebuilt.

>>60788712
>but how do I assign a different IP address per VM OS?

SR-IOV is a pretty standard thing in enterprise NICs if you're being autistic about zero-overhead.

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>>60787830

>>60791040
Never going to be as bad as cross-CPU scaling. Unless you have really fucking optimized code, the second a process hits the QPI link, performance will tank.

>>60787505
Dual channel lol

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>>60787688
>AMDrones barely bought the 1800X
Still more than Intelcucks bought the 6900K, even when it was the only thing on the market, lol

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>>60787688
Reminder that Zen scales at a ~1.99 multiplier from 8c/16t to 16c/32t, meaning that you can roughly estimate the top Threadripper CPU's performance in multi-threaded tasks and multiplying it by 1.99.

Note that this puts the top Threadripper at a ~3100-3200 Cinebench R15 score which is literally faster than ANY single socket Xeon at any price. Skylake-X is DOA as a result.

>>60791711
18/36t with 3000 points. HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
Intel is fucked.

>>60789758
>>60789786
>>60789828
Reminder to report shitposters
>>60791752
Sub-3000 on an 18 core is a joke. Ringbus is hot garbage.

>>60787530
Nobody needs 4 16x cards, SLI doesn't work worth a shit anyway

>>60791827
that's not what people would be using it for
rendering doesn't require (or rarely work with) sli configurations

>>60790771
can't you run several virtual interfaces on one physical network interface? this way you would have an IP for passthrough for each VM

>>60787830
JIM MY CPU PERFORMANCE IS STELLAR KELLER

>>60791827
>get one thread ripper in your basement with 16 cores, 4 video cards
>make 4 vms in it that each use an individual video card and 4 cores
>get 4 rasperry pis
>wire up your house with ethernet cables
>have 4 powerful quad-core computers running off of one machine

>>60790442
Those are for mining, there are 1x to 16x risers and before you point that out mining doesnt require much bandwith.

>>60787830
>Jim Keller
>Jem Killer
>Jew Killer

>>60788405
Delidding isn't a good thing. It's a stopgap solution to a shittily manufactured CPU.

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>>60792808
>replying to the obvious bait with obvious troll image
>not reporting and ignoring

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>>60792782

>>60791706
Why would any gaymen or regular consumer buy an 1800x? 1600 or 1600x are what you should buy for most consumer use cases. If you're a professional with multi-core workloads, then you buy an 1800x

>>60792219
You won't serve someone a VM with a 1GbE cable, you'd need a more powerful network infrastructure, NIcs and switches

Though I really like your idea.

>>60787830
IS HE CERTIFIED FOR THAT???

>>60790777
>>60790930
bare in mind that the 1800x is basically 2 quad core chips on the same pcb. so if it works for the 1800x it'll probably work fine for threadripper.

>>60787505
>Under $1000
nahhhhhh

>>60792975
It cost them $110-$120 to make a 16 core TR, and they have 80% yields on their 8 core dies. They could practically give them away and still make a profit.

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I'm just goona use this thread to rant about AMD for a second.

That the fuck is pic related? WTF AMD. I thought ryzen heatsinks were supposed to be good.

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>>60792996
>that tdp on the 18 core
rare pic of intels reccomended psu to go with the reccomended watercooler

Will it make premiere crash less and render faster?

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>>60793009
So you know, whatever, I can replace the paste. You shouldn't really use stock anyways. I wiped it off and found the following.

Is this acceptable fit and finish for a heatsink in 2017? I don't think so.

>>60793009
>>60793040
Are these your pics? If it looks that fucked up you should just get a replacement.

>>60793045
Yeah/

Unfortunately I had to finish building that PC that night so I stuck it on with some arctic silver and called it a day. Should I get the person back in here? I don't think she'll be doing any overclocking or anything like that. The chip itself was fine.

>>60793065
As long as the thermal paste fills in the gaps there shouldn't be any huge difference in temps, but it still looks pretty ugly.

>>60787530
from the supposed mobos it wont be 4x16 on the graphics cards, but will be like 1x16/1x8/1x16/1x8 with the 1x4 mixed in and then having the rest for 3 nvme drives and sata drives and dimm2 and whatnot. now I guess there may be some that will put it so you can get full 16x in 3 way but I highly doubt it.

>>60793122
I was an AMD fanboy back from the phenom days but eventually switched over to used enterprise xeons in my personal rigs when AM3 turned out to be a trainwreck. I really wanna be an AMD fanboy again but it's this sort of shit that turns me off. I guess some jackwad at the factory decided to pick it back up off the floor after dropping it.

The screws on the fan shroud were stripped out too...

>>60793180
I would definitely get a return on that if I bought it myself. Can't blame AMD as a whole for clumsy factory workers.

>>60793194
In the long run I probably won't. The truth is I'm perfectly happy with my xeons for the time being and won't be building a pc for a couple years anyway.

On an unrelated note, someone just asked me for some advice on a pc build and they were getting an i5-7400. I told them to get a ryzen 1500. That's equivalent, right?

>>60793229
You may have just confused the shit out of him, because there's no 1500, only 1500X. But the 1500X has similar single core and 55% better multicore. About the same price.

>>60793260
But what about motherboard prices?

>>60792219
Linus has already done this just not over a network.

>>60793297
AMD's cheapest shit is $60 and overclocking mobos start at $90 is Intel any better?

>>60793303
You can't OC i5-7400 anyway.

>>60793260
Cool. thanks. I sent a link to him so it's fine. I'm just getting used to the new numbering scheme.

>>60793325
There's really no reason to buy Intel i5/i7 outside of K series anymore, really. And only if you really need the extra performance for non-GPU bottlenecked games.

>>60791845
Rendering doesn't need x16 (neither do games)

>>60793301
That's the hard part.

>>60793398
The expensive part you mean.

>>60792219
How do you connect monitors over longer distances?

>>60793457
Cat6, the answer for anything is cat6

>>60788407
using it for render farm

>>60787505
Literally another shoah.

The new JEWRIPPER processor has intel dropping shekels in fear as they walk to the bank.

>>60791827
>Nobody needs 4 16x cards,
I love it when jews argue this.

We never needed cpu's faster than 200 mhz either im sure.

>>60787505
good shit can't wait to upgrade my 1700X

>>60791827
That's ok, Intel's HEDT platform loses in literally every other aspect anyway.

>>60792219
This is what I'm looking to setup. I currently have 3 7650s and I'm going to buy VEGA. VM1 to run Vega to my i5 desktop. VM2 with a 7950 to my brothers i3 and the next to will go to Raspberrys on the 2 TVs we have. Currently wiring up the house with cat 6 and 7.

>>60793620
7950's*

At least there is real competition for Intel now, even though a majority of consumers don't need 16 core cpus

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>>60787505

>>60793555
Trips of truth.

>>60791827
>SLI doesn't work worth a shit anyway
Who the fuck talked about SLI? SLI is mostly for games, and even there it works terribly.

>>60792219
>>60793620
Smart! Pretty nice.

By the way, how are you guys wiring up without destroying the walls?

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>>60787688
No one buys a 500$ CPU to play games, anon.

Furthermore, you can get 1800X performance from a 1700, so why should anyone get a 1800X?

>>60788405
>being this retarded on purpose

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xah84cJwdxE&feature=share&app=desktop

>>60788407
>It isn't needed for shit
Have you ever... considered most computers are used for work, not games?

>>60794461
The entire Broadwell-E was on sale on newegg this week. Up to $300 off on their 6950X bundle, but still not fucking worth a penny of that sale price thanks to the R7 1700

>>60787505
>implying it won't hit a stone wall with overclocking
>implying Intel's won't outperform it with higher IPC and clock speeds
It's like you don't have a brain.

>>60794620
Even Bulldozer is better than intlel these days.

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>>60794620
L M A O
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>>60794646
fake news delid dis right now if you know whats good for you

>>60787986
>>60787995
>>60788003
>>60788015
I'd also like to know this. I'm bored with my current job.

>>60794646
Absolutely ebin scaling right there, Intel.

>>60788405
>cant even delid their chips
You misspelled "don't need to delid"

Hope this helps!

>>60794642
Except it's literally not.
>>60794646
Okay then Vega will not come anywhere near the 1080 ti. See? I can post baseless stuff too Anon.

>>60794725
Except it is, intel will reach 666W TDP with their new line of turbo housefires

>>60794684
I started by volunteering with a local grassroot political organization to astroturf reddit, /pol/, and facebook. There are a bunch of companies out there who recruit shillposters from these orgs, but the pay's shit. I have more fun shill/shitposting for free.

>>60787505
yfw you have a 560GTX from 2011, and it still runs everything you actually want to play.

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>>60794725
>baseless stuff
>literally the 18 core xeon the i9 will be a rebadge of

>>60794756
>thermi

>>60794620
>higher IPC
lol. Intel hasn't noticeably increased IPC in years. It's the same shit as last time.
>clock speeds
Also not happening. https://www.hardocp.com/news/2017/06/05/intel_core_i9_skylake_e_clocks_no_higher_than_broadwell/

>>60794784
no anon, he's claiming that 16 ryzen cores at 3.6 GHz won't perform even close to two 1800x together

>>60794841
>1.99 scaling
He can suck my cock and choke on triple bingbus.

>>60794868
Not an argument.

>>60794841
>>60794868
Is there any proof that F can provide this type of scaling on two separate dies?
And can the CCXes on one die ever access the unused L3 caches in other dies without suffering from horrible latencies?

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>>60794900
>1.99 core scaling in industry standard core scaling benchmark is not an argument
Oy-vey.

Intel is the future

>smaller
>beter

Yes, they're expensive, but that's the price of modernity and progress. Stop being a poorfag

>>60794841
It can't possibly scale worse than BINGBUS.

AMD showed off TR at Computex. https://youtu.be/NeuamYdfU4w?t=16m

>in b4 fake news
>in b4 pre-recorded
>in b4 it was a xeon running that test
>in b4 they cheated somehow
>in b4 in b4

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>>60794921

>>60787505
realistically if the most intensive task I do on my machine would be gaymen, would I benefit from threadripper versus getting say an 1800x?
Pls respond

>>60794947
No, buy a Ryzen 5 1600 instead

>>60794947
No. Even an 1800X is enough to stream (software encoding) while gaming on the same CPU.

>>60794947
You should just get a 6700/6700k/7700/7700k if you are just gaymen

>>60794921
Go buy the G4560 and be a poorfag somewhere else.

>>60794947
Get a 1600/1600x and a better bibeocard.

>>60794980
>buying stutterfires

>>60794965
>>60794979
but what if I want to fall for the 1440 (or even 4k) meme? Pairing it with a capable video card of course.
>>60794980
delete yourself

>>60795023
>but what if I want to fall for the 1440 (or even 4k) meme
Unironically, the 7700K

>>60795023
>but what if I want to fall for the 1440 (or even 4k) meme? Pairing it with a capable video card of course.
Unless you're streaming at that insane resolution (where would you even stream it to?) you're going to be GPU bottlenecked anyway.

>>60794921
try harder eli

>>60788712
>but how do I assign a different IP address per VM OS?

In this case, you just give each VM its own bridge and set IP on the interface inside the VM.

>>60795045
I might as well use the price difference between the 1700x and the 1600x for an AIO liquid cooling solution

>>60787505
> UP TO
This shit again?

>>60787996
jelly.

>>60793009
>>60793040
> buying AMD
Just buy an aftermarket cheapo cooler though. Anything above 60W tdp should be used with one.

>>60795206
What, you can't afford?

>>60795228
No, Linus made a video about Skylake-X / Intel's HEDT launch. It was the same problem with Intel. "UP TO". And turns out it's all marketing bs.

So far this seems to be the same.
We will see though.

>>60795206
>This shit again?
All Threadripper CPUs have 64 lanes and quad channel, even the 10 core, they didn't segment the shit out of it.

>>60794931
Oh and btw the Threadripper demoed did the Blender test in half the time of an 1800x on the same version with the same settings...

>>60795251
Just see OP's pic.
We will see.

No segmentation is what fucked Ryzen 5 up with the CCX shit, it's not always good.

>>60795269
https://www.techpowerup.com/233945/amd-readies-nine-ryzen-threadripper-models

>>60795023
is there any streamer out there with a line capable to provide such a massive upload to stream 2k or 4k? hell even youtube sometimes cant stream it properly

>>60795290
When will it arrive though?
This has been a VEGA like waiting game so far.

I know Intel has some serious delays.

>>60795248
so... you can't afford the higher-end Intels either?

Where's Vega?

>>60795292
No, you play at 4K and then downscale and live-encode the stream to 1080p. You get better quality video compared to live-encoding 1080p at native thanks to 4K's 4:2:0 being compressed down to 1080p's 4:2:2 due to maths.

Same goes for 1440p down to 720p.

>>60795313
Who could? Jesus.
99.9% of /g/ could not.

Fuck 99% of the market will not.

AMD kinda needed this, because Opterons sucked. But they could have simply pushed out a new Opteron based on Ryzen so Dell and others could build enterprise workstations based on them.

tl;dr: It's a pointless money grabbing move by both companies.

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>>60795323
1.7 woodscrews porkshoulders housefires Fuck off Huang.

>>60789863
>BTC+
I see what they did there

But it will only be useful for other imaginary coins.

>>60795312
AMD says "this summer".

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>>60792858
>keller told intel that he was hardcore
>intel didnt listen

I dont care if this joke is old enough that most here were born after ripper died

>>60795334
yeah and then your video gets through twitch compression algorithm and just make it even worse
as worse as it is every single day
so unless you have a dedicated machine with a dedicated maxtor capture card this is moot and 99% of the streamers dont even go to the extremes to have a second system let alone to buy a dedicated capture card

>>60795355
Imma still root for AMD as they're the current underdog

>>60795355
>But they could have simply pushed out a new Opteron based on Ryzen

what the fuck do you think they are doing?

>>60791827

running 4 tesla cards on that system helps.

being able to run 16 PCIE NVME drives in raid at full fucking speed is a nice addition as well for those people who need to copy their 2 terabytes of porn in a few seconds.

>>60795323
Far away, in woodscrews land.

>>60795387
Pretty sure Twitch doesn't re-encode the stream you get on the top quality setting.

>>60795367
in a month give it or take they will launch the high end first
now for the rest well there are a lot of scenarios..
they will launch everything at once-highly doubtfull
they will launch within a 3 months timespan-doubtfull
they will launch the mid to low close to the xmas-likely
JUST KEEP WAITING 2018 VEGA MID EDITION-highly likely

>>60795390
There are no underdogs here IMO.
AMD was in a bad position (kinda?) in the Phenom X2 ages, but then the console deals came.

>>60795397
Ignoring enterprise needs and creating a new market for fools with too much money. It's a brilliant enterprise move though. People are fighting over company X or Y while they are laughing their asses off.
Instead of having to make 6-8 core mainstream CPUs, they can milk retards even more.

>>60795417
>ignoring enterprise needs
>what is Epyc

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>>60795355
What do you think this is?

>>60795206
Yes, they have 10, 12, 14 and 16 core models, "up to 16C".

>>60795417
AFAIK they're not making money off the consoles.

Could even be selling at a loss.

>>60795415
They have 80% yields on their 8 core parts. There's certianly no shortage of dies. They could flood them out all at once if they really wanted to. http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-ryzen-14nm-wafer-yields-pass-80-threadripper-cpus-on-track.html

>>60795403
with such a low bitrate? they are obviously compressing it unless they changed the bitrate since the last time i used that shit

>>60795452
On their site it says "Recommended bitrate range - 3-6 megabits per second"

>>60795448
they have 80% yield on RYZEN we know jack shit about VEGA

if amd manages to pull a number so close then fuck my life they gonna fill the market for everyone..
apple/saltminers(vega waiting owners currenty mine)gaymers

>>60795437
Yeah of course, they are giving them away for free. Anon I have bad news for you.

>>60795417
>Instead of having to make 6-8 core mainstream CPUs, they can milk retards even more.
Are you mistaking AMD's pricing for Intel's? They aren't the one gouging the shit out of 6+ core CPUs for years now.
>>60795437
https://venturebeat.com/2016/10/20/amd-reports-1-3-billion-in-q3-revenue-on-higher-console-chip-sales/

>>60795466
it was 3500-5000 add to that 0.5mbps for the 5.1 audio(depending on the quality assuming 320 its going up to 3.4mbps)
its a lot of stuff you are reaching 2k level of streaming here (pure data)

>>60795485
>>60795481
Well that's nice. It's certainly not what I heard back then.

>>60787505
Not a poorfag, so I will buy whichever one has the best performance.

>>60795526
BAD GOY

>>60795513
AMD has been making no money since forever according to the news. But out of thin air they managed to stay alive and somehow develop a completely new architecture.

Makes sense... not.
There are no underdogs here.

>>60795526
Then just buy a Ryzen 7 or 7700K depending on what workload you have. If it's parallel, Ryzen 7, or dual Xeon build. If it's single threaded mostly (games, vm, whatever), then 7700K.
This whole platform is a cashgrab.

>>60795452
I've seen streams at ~6.5Mbps, it's not really that terrible for CPU-encoded 1080p video and definitely not bad for lower resolution. I'm pretty sure the majority of the viewerbase wouldn't have the pipe to handle say a 20Mbps stream, even with a connection which can average the required bandwidth it would need large buffers (which means increased delay). It's probably not worth it supporting more.

>>60787519
it means all the slots on your mobo will work and there wont be any short supply of them

fucking intel went full retard with x299, unless you're buying an i9 like half the pci reliant features on your mobo with either not work or everything will be gimped to hell. OEMs are not happy having to make mobos that deal with this level of mess

>>60795555
>OEMs are not happy having to make mobos that deal with this level of mess
It's going to be even more of a shitshow launch than X99 was.

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>we must purge the jewish influence from cpu design
>we need to secure a future for heterogeneous computing free from the jew

Jesus Keller, I thought that was a bit much

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>>60795542
>This whole platform is a cashgrab.
Translation: I don't have any need for HEDT, therefore nobody does.

>>60795616
Ok, list possible usecases anon.
We will wait.

>>60795633
Anything that requires boatloads of cores.

Intel is very screwed.
X299 was only supposed to go up-to 12 cores.
14-16-18 core cpus will have to be downclocked because board manufacturers didn't design them to suck up so much power.
Meanwhile, X399 boards have 1 or 2 additional 8 pins connectors, for the lulz.
The nail in the coffin will be 7nm.
Most likely 50% increase in core count, if frequency is still stucked to 4Ghz..
That's 12 cores mainstream, 24 cores enthusiast, and 48 cores servers.
And it should work on the same motherboards.

>>60795635
Uhm, so basically Xeon and Opteron workloads, or maybe Intel's Phi platform?

These are existing systems that has been in use since the 90s. You could buy a dual Xeon workstation since forever, that is the definition of a workstation.

> inb4 less cores
But that's wrong, the platform is old and strong, you could have 192 threads by putting the correct Xeon CPUs in the correct motherboard.

So, toss in a coin and try again.

>>60795663
x299 also has extra cpu power connectors anon

>>60795664
>Intel's Phi platform
Hahahahahaha, (You) deserve it.

>>60795542

china has thrown A LOT of money to amd ...

>>60795664
>192 threads
and getting extremely trash scaling on 4 sockets? no thanks

>>60795542
>Makes sense... not.
>There are no underdogs here.

how many rupees do you make per hour?

is it enough to afford running water?

>>60795664
You're right, AMD selling 18+ core xeon levels of performance for dirt cheap is totally a rip-off.

>>60795684
> getting triggered by the word Intel
Just neck yourself my family member.

He said many cores. It is a platform for extremely parallel workloads.

>>60795696
> prefer no brand
> getting paid
Getting paid for nothing would be fucking great. Where do I sign up?

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>>60795664
>get tons of cores
>its still ringbus
>1000s down the drain

>>60795709

>It is a platform for extremely parallel workloads.


Anything embarrisingly parallel is run on a gpu. The phi exists solely for AVX2 because gpus are carving up everything else that can into N cores.

>>60795635
2 more cores for 1100 more dollars on a ecosystem that is so closed that makes microsoft blush...
yeah its a no brainer whoever wants to use a bloat of cores will go to amd or go with xeons on which i assume when naples comes it will be another gangbang for amd...

>>60795709
>It is a platform for extremely parallel workloads.
No, it's GPUs, not this abortion.

>>60795680
Yes, for 12 cores @4~4.5ghz.

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Don't forget the gimped ram on the 7800x

>>60792219
What would you install on the RPi to have it remotely connect to the VM? A VNC client? VMWare's VMRC?

this is going to be great for hobby or university computation (folding proteins, mathematical calculations pertaining to phsyx, algos for compression/hashing/aes/ect, high i/o graphic processing like multi camera inputs (security or 360 cameras/ high fps for slow slowmo reactions)

possibly even server farms with a networked gpu array for some crazy output

>>60795892
if you want something hacky you could have the host machine with QEMU and you pipe out SSH to every "client" on a static network

you could even route your ethernet through the same thing protected by a firewall

>>60792219
4x400$ for high performance quad cores
vs 1000$ for one 16 cores average cpu.
Not even counting the motherboards and power supplies.
Do your own math anon.

>>60787730
Since single core performance is literally all that Intel has going for them against Ryzen.

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I want Intel i11

>>60795663
Don't forget AMD will be uses a high power process for 7nm so higher clocks should be possible in addition to gains from density. Intel's entire product stack until 2021 is going to get irreversibly dumpstered by Zen 2.

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>>60787505
What is with the AMD obsession with cores? Are they so inefficient they need spam core?

>>60795990
>Are they so inefficient they need spam core?
>zen
>inefficient
Please be bait.

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>>60795957
>i9 and i11 on a dual-socket board

>>60795990

Why does intel love ringbusses so much?

>>60795990
No. They are so efficient, that they can spam cores. Yeah, they can't push the core as much as Intlel but they have much more of them at almost the same power consumption.

>>60795990
yeah they are housefires on 65watts compared to chill 140-190watts of intel

Threadly reminder that buying AMD products is antisemitic.

Do not buy from AMD. Report all AMD posters for hate speech.

ok guys, for a cheap gayming machine, what would be better

Ryzen 5 1400 or 1500X?
the extra L3 cache would make any difference at all? can the 1400 overclock easily?

both comes with cooler

>>60787519
lots of bowling

>>60796051
On the scale of 1 to shoah, how antisemitic is IBM's new 5nm GAAFET node?
>>60796071
1600. Don't be a faggot, anon-kun.

>>60796082
>1600. Don't be a faggot, anon-kun.

relax d00d, I'm just curious here thinking about the best budget Zen gayming machine that I could setup

so, 1400 or 1500X?

>>60796111
1500x since 4mb of victim L3@CCX a shit. Get 1600, faggot.

>>60796118
2poor 4 even AMYMDD midrange consumer cpus

>>60796111
Depends what graphics card you want on it.
Depends at what resolution you plan on gaming.
Depends how long you plan to stick with it before an upgrade.

The good thing about the amd platform, though, is that if in x years, you feel like you don't have enough cores, you can just buy a cheap 1800x.

>>60795947
You're going to pay significantly more for those 4 high performance desktops, Anon.

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>>60796166
that makes no sense tho.
>spend 300$ now for 1700 and enjoy it for the next 3-4 years
>spend 150$ NOW and another 150$ in 3-4 years for the same CPU, having been a corelet in the meantime

>>60796166
I don't know, an RX570 maybe?

1080p I think, 1440p max

>>60796026
Ring bus doesn't get punished much when running poorly-threaded programs, and if you temporarily need the use of just a couple of cores, they can be turbo'd quite fast.
To put it short, TR will be able to run 16 cores at up to 4Ghz if overclocked, but Skymeme can turbo two cores to at least 4.5Ghz for "muh gaemz", even if all of its cores likely won't go past ~3.4Ghz.

>>60796232
Most gaemz use 4+ core, anon.

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>>60796243
>use 4+ core

meaning core0 =90%, core1=30%, core2=10% and core3=2-4%

>>60787519
a wider highway

>>60796261
Not every game is Arma3 or dorf fort.

>>60796191
Well if you're a poorfag upgrading from a core 2 duo, it makes sense?

>>60796220
Anything is fine, then.
At 1080p, you'll definitely see dips in heavy cpu games, but that's fine for a cheap rig.
In fact, depending on what games you play, I'd even recommend spending less on the gpu.
I can't predict how gaming will evolve, though.
But, as I said, that am4 platform allows you to upgrade just the cpu later.

>>60796276
>playing anything other than dorf fort
?????

>>60794360
ideally you wire your house with ethernet before drywall goes up. if you don't, there might be conduit (metal pathways) for wires, but usually not.

lookup "wire fishing" if you can't/won't take down your drywall. it's annoying as hell to do, but having a house wired up with ethernet ports and a dedicated router area is really, really nice.

>>60796284
>playing dorf fort
?????

>>60796232
>Muh gaymz
>In a thread about HEDT CPUs
>>>/v/

Oh by the way Skylake-X has lower IPC than Ryzen and Threadripper is rumored to have the 2:1 Infinity Fabric speeds of Epyc and thus will have higher IPC than Ryzen.

So don't oversell the two core turbo advantage of Skylake-X too much.

>>60796232
Why would you even spend that much if you're just planning to play MUH VIDYA on it anyway?

>>60796470
I'm a Youtube tech reviewer it's my bread&butter

Is it wrong to want to build a HEDT for basically a facebook machine? I can afford it no problem.

>>60796315

>lookup "wire fishing" if you can't/won't take down your drywall

I bet most anons that attempt this would imemdiately think "hmm, this is a good place for a port" and cut straight through either a pipe or other cables routed behind the plasterboard. Or even better anon decides that yes, that is a good spot and it just so happens to be where a noggin is making the process 100 times more painful if you lack the skills to do a good job patching up the hole you just made in the plasterboard (lol good luck getting the same paint again to hide the obvious repair job).

Would this be good for rendering video?
The company I work for wants me to build them a computer to make instructional videos for our production line.
I've only built gaming computers and nothing else.
Buy everyone here is a baby Boomer and I'm the only sub 50yr old here.

>>60796531
Yes, Threadripper will do very well at video encoding. 1800X will also do a pretty good job, about half as effective as Threadripper.

>>60796541
So what I need is a lot of cores, ram, and storage right?
I'm assuming that I don't need a GPU or or just something like a 750 Ti just to run video output

>>60796574
Yeah just get a GPU of that size, should be fine.

>>60788407
PCIe and M.2 SSDs

>>60787505
I hope to God Intel is screwed out of the enthusiast market. The X299 platform is a
kick in the face of any computer enthusiast.
It's anti consumer to such an extent that if I didn't know better I'd assume you were talking out of your ass describing it.

>>60795947
You're right. That's already $1600 for the CPUs alone. Multiply everything by 4. The decision is clearly the Threadripper.

>>60787830
OY VEY THE GOYIM KNOW

>>60795848
>4c/4t
>112W TDP
This will never not be hilarious.

>>60796483
Opening 50 browser tabs at once should be fast as fuck

>>60787816

Muh dick.

>>60788407

SUMMER ALERT

SUMMER ALERT


SUMMER ALERT

>>60789846

YOU

DENSE

MOTHERFUCKER

That's not how it works. That's not how any of this works.

>>60790442

Both companies are coming out with mining only GPUs.

>>60793180
>The screws on the fan shroud were stripped out too...
>mounted and delivered to user

You doublenigger.

>>60796028
>Yeah, they can't push the core as much as Intlel
Is that so though? There's always the possibility that AMD didn't pushed Ryzen's individual cores as far as they can. With Zen+ coming next year or so, that would make sense.

>>60795947
anon wasn't saying "get 4x high performance quad core machines", he was saying "you now have 4 high performance clients virtualized from one threadripper host".

>>60797013
Current Ryzen die (Zeppelin) is fabbed on low power process that hits the voltage wall at higher clocks. When they'll switch to 7nm HP in Zen2, the clocks would be phenomenal.

>>60797018
Oh, you're right, I misread that.
I don't really see the point, but that would work, I guess.

>>60797077
same reasons people virtualize servers and work environments, but yea, for a home that only has 1 or 2 desktop computers, it would be very overkill.

>>60793575
Except it doesn't make any difference, you can look up for benchmarks at x4/x8/x16.
Not even +/- 1%.

>>60787688
7700K destroys the 6950X in gaymes too what's your point

>>60788712
Virtual bridge. Takes two minutes to set up.

>>60792088
Yes you can. I have more than ten guests running on my home server, each with own virtual nic. Shit's easy

>>60787894
What the fuck did you just fucking say about Intel, you little pajeet? I’ll have you know my comments get the most upvotes on Gamers Nexus, I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on r/AMD, and I have over 300 confirmed shills. I am trained in single corefare and I’m the top delidder in the entire Intel Performance Tuning Plan forces. You are nothing to me but just another framerate target. I will overclock the fuck out with temperatures the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking volts. You think you can get away with saying that shit about Intel over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the MSN and your data is being collected right now so you better prepare to install Gentoo, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call functionality. You’re fucking bsod, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can compromise your system in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my hardware backdoors. Not only am I extensively trained in anti consumerism, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Nvidia® The Way It's Meant To Be Played™ corps and I will use it to its full extent to watch miserable cartoons from another continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, goyim. I will shilltel all over the catalog and you will drown in it. You fucking delid dis, kiddo.

>>60798169
Quality pasta.

>>60793040
that will make literally .002% difference