Now that MP3 has been retired by its maintainers, the attention

>>60776577
MP3, public domain is even more incentive to keep using it.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opus_(audio_format)

Opus already beat the pants off AAC

Why was mp3 more widespread than aac in first place?

>>60776962
Because aac is an apple codec and apple is associated with homosexuality.

>>60776962
probably because hardware support for mp3 was implemented earlier and in the time when downloading music was the new thing.

>>60776577
opus has already been con firmed to have superior quality/size ratio than aac, vorbis and mp3.

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>>60776982
>apple is associated with homosexuality
I mean, the association isn't without its reasons.

Opus is superior but AAC will be the norm
All articles reporting mp3's dead shilled AAC for some reason and that's why they will win

>>60776577
MP3, especially now that it's free

>>60776982
Is this bait?

>>60776577
AAC has never been interesting, and Vorbis is only better at extremely low bitrates.

normies will use whatever itunes offers by default, those who know anything will keep using mp3 or FLAC.

>>60776982
I think you are confusing it with ALAC.

>>60777035
Vorbis != Opus > AAC > MP3
FLAC is useful only for sound editing.

>>60776577
>Who will come out on top this time?

FLAC.

>>60777003
Probably this, sadly.

>>60776962
It came first. By the time AAC came along "MP3" was already synonymous with "music."

>>60777003
Opus doesn't play well with mkv. I beat my head against the wall for an hour trying to figure out why sub timing was shifting between aegisub and MPC-HC to find out it was the Opus track doing it.

>>60776998
White people need to use condoms

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>>60777023
Not at all. The joke used to be that apple was gay. The irony is that it's now literally gay.

>>60776962
AAC is the official successor to MP3. They're both made by the same group.

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xHE-AAC (USAC) == opus at bitrates >= 64

>>60776577
Opus easily

>>60776577
>Who will come out on top this time?
MP3

Does anybody know how to play opus with dedicated android audio players? I want to re-encode my library with opus, but there's no support for it besides neutron and aimp. Neutron looks like shit and aimp doesn't have a library, folders are not a valid library

>>60778391
Not in ABX tests. Opus suppresses audible artifacts the most. That's why voice still sounds ok even 16kbps (albeit mono).

>>60778519
I've been using mx player to listen to opus but mostly due to laziness.

>>60778519
Just pirate GMMP.

>>60778519
GoneMAD (what I personally use) has support for it, and so does Poweramp.

>>60778519
Upgrade your android, android version something has native opus decoding.

>>60778799
Android 5+ supports opus, but it expects an .mkv container, which is stupid.
It's better to use a player like GMMP that scans your files and detects your .opus files (which is the correct container) or your .ogg files (if you're one of those people) and plays them, even regardless of your android version.

t. All my music is opus and I'm still on JellyBean.

>>60776962
Why is txt more widespread than Word 2013? Really makes me think.

>>60778799
I'm on android 7.1.2 lineage and the media scanner doesn't find them

>>60778525
The minimum bitrate that is expected of music in 2017 is 26 kbit / s transparent and 1 kbit / s in voice. Otherwise it is not good enough.

AAC is pretty solid and tested to work great for music (around 130kbps it's pretty much transparent). It also decodes much faster.
Opus might be better for very low bitrates, though.

>>60776577
MP3 is not going to die.

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>>60779746
Yeah just like JPG and xvid. All u dead cockroaches here to haunt us till the day we die.

>>60779723
>Opus might be better for very low bitrates, though.
Opus begins to introduce noticeable distortion at lower bitrates. HE-AAC is better. I think 64kbps and up is where Opus works best.

>>60776577
>Who will come out on top this time?
mp3

>>60777275
i wonder if tim cook would think my butt is cute

I'm looking for fdkaac.exe. Where can I find it?

So why exactly does the licensing rights having expired mean I should not use the format anymore...? Shouldn't a lot of new, improved mp3 encoders and decoders crop up now that people don't have to pay Fraunhofer for it anymore?

>>60776577
>MP3 has been retired
retire yourself from existence you fucking moron

>>60779967
Winamp

>>60776615
>quality comparison graph
>ends at 128kb/s
Is this a joke?

>>60780024
It shouldn't. As a matter of fact, you should never use lame anymore.

>>60779967
Isn't Apple's QAAC supposed to be the best AAC encoder on the market?

>>60780065
I didn't want nonfree software on my computers when I switched to GNU/Linux so I encoded my CD rips using vorbis anyway. I just don't get how people keep spouting "MP3 is dead" when quite the opposite should be the case now. It's like saying DOOM died when its engine was released.

Lower bitrates: Opus is better hands down, much better sounding than shit HE-AAC.
High bitrates: I can't tell the difference.

>>60780128
It isn't for the same reason txt wav and jpg will never die. Everything in the world can play back mp3.

>>60780142
>Opus is better hands down, much better sounding than shit HE-AAC.
Bullshit. Opus introduces audible distortion at low bitrates.

>>60780148
Why the fuck would plain text ever die?

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>>60780148
WAV is actually quite good and very usable for professional audio and video applications. It's still the standard universal audio format used in professional media creation today.

>>60780168
Not the latest 1.2 version. That shit makes me question my sanity. 64 vbr opus sounds like the flac source to me.

>>60780045
That's FhG AAC, not the same.

>>60780067
Probably yes for high bitrates, but I think you need fdk-aac for he-aac (low bitrates).

Anyway, I'm compiling (or whatever) fdkaac right now...
https://sites.google.com/site/qaacpage/cabinet
(autobuild)

>>60780148
>txt

There is no replacing plain text. That will be here for the entire remainder of human civilization. We will colonize the galaxy and still be using plain text files.

>>60780202
Now try under 64kbps like HE-AAC was designed for.

>>60776615
>48kHz

>>60780064
Doesn't matter much after that. Real fight happens at the low end, sub-32kbps.

>>60776577
>MP3 has been retired by its maintainers
What?
>the attention has been moved to AAC
By who?
>Who will come out on top this time?
Probably still MP3? Consumers don't care about marginal increases in audio compression efficiency. All they care about is support, and MP3 still dominates in that and will continue to do so.

>>60779782
tfw I don't look at pictures long enough to notice any difference until 25k

>>60780235
I did and I could hear artifacts especially in low bass frequencies. Gotta say I was pretty disappointed.

>>60780275
Which is exactly where Opus gets trashed. Nothing against it. It just isn't as good as HE-AAC at this level.

>>60780225 here
I just did a comparison between 32kbs Opus and HE-AAC for some nigger music. AAC is better. Opus fucks up the highs.

Opus. Freedom will prevail!

>>60780225
>but I think you need fdk-aac for he-aac (low bitrates)
nope

>>60780287
ISO is the mp3 maintainers, not franshjdadajd. The ISO specification is frozen, just follow it.

Is there any legal service that distributes Opus yet, streaming or store? The problem is that Opus has no distributor support as far as I have heard.

AAC has Apple Music, Tidal, Bandcamp, etc.

>>60780361 hare
Actually, Winamp and Apple beat it too. Opus fucks up the highs and messes up the stereo image.
I'll try some speech next.

>>60780378
Right, my bad.

>>60779967
Compile it with ffmpeg.

>>60780142
Me again, did some tests with a couple of songs.
At 64k HE-AAC loses more detail on the high-end compared to Opus. However at 32k Opus adds much more distortion and HE-AACv2 sounds better.

>>60779201
Because .txt is a format and Word 2013 is a program.

>>60780378
FAAC will only encode 64kbps+ You'll need FDK AAC at least on Linux.

>>60780460
known >>60778391

>>60780514
you can use Apple Core AAC (best aac encoder) everywhere. Just download fre:ac and install AppleApplicationSupport.msi (extract from itunes installer)
https://www.freac.org/index.php/en/developer-blog-mainmenu-9/14-freac/228-freac-development-status-update-102015

>>60780559
OR he could skip all that hacking and just use Opus included in ffmpeg.

>>60780607
We're talking about sub 64kbps here. Installing fdkaac doesn't require any hacking.

>>60780433
>I'll try some speech next.
So I did and couldn't get any AAC encoder to actually encode under 32k. Except for Nero, but it's bad, worse than Opus.

>>60780347
>Which is exactly where Opus gets trashed. Nothing against it. It just isn't as good as HE-AAC at this level.
Except it doesn't.
It does sound better, plus is way more efficient in practice.

>>60780636
you need to enable HEv2 for that, newfag

Opus will never make it, it sounds like a venerial disease.

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>>60780636

This is a reminder that the primary advantage of Opus over other lossy codecs is it reproduces 20 Hz - 20 kHz. It's the removal of high frequencies which causes "warbly, underwater" sounding lossy artifacts, and Opus tends to not suffer from this.

>>60780679
>>60780716
I did select v2 and the low bitrates, but the files end up 32k or higher.
I'm using foobar, btw. Any CLI commands for apple or fdk aac?

>>60779782
Thats wasn't my opinion on the matter. Calm your autism and stop posting obvious shit about modern encoders being way more efficient than old ones.

xvid is literally dead, h.264 made sure of that.

>>60780763
works for me in freac with fdk-aac

>>60780716
Winamp goes down to 12k, but it sounds worse than Opus.

>>60780833
How to get FDK in freac?

>>60781107
on linux - download libfdk-aac.so, rename to fdk-aac.so and place into codecs folder
om windows - place exe file into codecs\cmdline I think, I used it on linux only

>>60780763
VBR only goes down to 32k, CBR down to 8k (on foobar at least)

>>60776577
Best encoding software for OPUS?

>>60781237
Neither the .exe or the .dll work in Windows.
Anyway, I got it working in foobar.

>>60781347
>CBR down to 8k (on foobar at least)
Are you sure it actually encodes to 8k?
Because when I do
-b 8 -p 29 --ignorelength - -o %d
it ends up being 12k.
And it sounds worse than Opus, at 16k too.

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>>60781445
just tried windows version everything works with fdk-acc.dll in codecs folder

>>60777077
And storage.

>>60781592
>fdk-acc.dll
Where did you get it?
I only have libfdk-aac-0.dll (renaming it doesn't work).

>>60781653
downloaded from https://sourceforge.net/p/bonkenc/discussion/85470/thread/82b61f56/

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>>60779346
>>60779135
>Android 5+ supports opus, but it expects an .mkv container, which is stupid.
You can rename them to .ogg and it works for some reason.

>>60781653
I used 32bit freac

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>>60781665
it still doesn't show up

>>60781695
me too

>>60781771
you are using release, there is no even codecs folder. Use snapshot
https://sourceforge.net/projects/bonkenc/files/snapshots/20170317/freac-20170317-windows.zip/download

Opus should, AAC will.

>>60776577
MP3 wasn't retired, it was made free to use. Now that you can officially use MP3 without paid licensing, I expect it'll become even more common until a new open source codec beats everything (ala AV1 when it launches)

>>60776577
AAC sucks. So does MP3. So does opus. So does FLAC. So does WAV. So does everything. Go kill yourself.

>>60781848
Alright, thanks. It works now. Still only goes to 16k, in foobar I can get it to 12 with cli parameters.

Can't say if at 12k or 16k it's better than Opus or not, it's a matter of taste. Opus does some kind of low pass, while AAC has many artifacts in the upper frequencies.

>>60781939
Opus is already here and it does beat pretty much everything. We're just waiting for distributors to adopt it.

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>>60776577
>2017
>not using flac because of muh small hdd
Why those acc, mp3 etc even exist?

ITT: retards who care about anything that goes on below 256kb/s

autists, all of you. who the fuck listens to music below 256?

>>60782040
You, when you call your mom on the landline begging for more tendie money.

>>60782030
Took a comparison test. Couldn't tell the difference between MP3 VBR V0 and FLAC.

FLAC is not really a listening format for me, but an archival format.

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>>60782086
WOW! Aren't you audiofile, like the rest of us? Pleb!

>>60782059
sounds like I hit a nerve.

>>60782040
Me, I can fit quite a bit more music on my 2GB DAP with 96kb/s than 256kb/s.

>>60782003
>it does beat pretty much everything
And has little hardware support.

>>60782105
That post read like a Trump tweet.

Anyway, I just spend the past hour converting around 32kbps and lower and I'd sum it up like this:
AAC is better for music, while Opus is better for speech (mono, audiobooks).
Opus seems to degrade more gracefully at low bitrates for speech, it sounds muffled but pleasant, while AAC still has annoying audible artifacts.

>>60778519


You can use any player, but you need to change the extension from .opus to .mkv. I shit you not https://developer.android.com/guide/topics/media/media-formats.html

>>60778519
The two best Android players (Foobar and Material Player) both support it.

>>60782150
Sad!

>>60782140

Things wil change tanks to AOMedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_for_Open_Media

>>60776577
The copyright owners have owned up to shilling online that mp3 is 'dead' technology so they can get more shekels for their next patent.

>>60782488
>Adobe
>Allegro DVT
>Amazon
>AMD
>Amlogic
>ARM
>Ateme
>BBC Research & Development
>Bitmovin
>Broadcom
>Chips&Media
>Cisco
>Google
>Intel
>Ittiam
>Microsoft
>Mozilla
>Netflix
>Nvidia
>Polycom
>Realtek
>Socionext
>VeriSilicon
>VideoLAN
>Vidyo
>Xilinx

Good grief, that's a power team if I've seen one. The big chip manufacturers and streaming services are all-in on AV1.

Who does H.265 HEVC have on its side for the opposition?

>>60778519
>I want to re-encode my library with opus
stop memeing

>>60778587
>Just pirate GMMP.

GMMP is only $3.99. Who the heck can't afford that?

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=gonemad.gmmp.unlocker&hl=en

>>60782488
>>60782627
>surely Theora will replace h264
>it's much better, right guys?
>right guise?..
When will this meme end.

>>60782627
>Who does H.265 HEVC have on its side for the opposition?
Apple

>>60782627
>Adobe
>Amazon
>BBC
>Google
>Intel
>Microsoft
>Netflix
>Nvidia
>Realtek
>VideoLAN
>Xilinx
So it'll be botnet central? Embedded DRM, day 1. It's DOA.

>>60782659
It's not that they can't afford it, they just think their money should only be used on things that they think are "worthy" enough to purchase.

>>60776615
>under 128kbit/s

>>60780229
There is no such thing as "plain text". What encoding does it use?

>>60782800
If we all followed that model, everything would be free and there would be no supply left for any physical products because hoarders would take everything.

>>60782798
>Embedded DRM, day 1.
Leaving out DRM is an easy way to kill a technology. Fucking face it already the people with the money only respond to these three letters.

>>60782946
Yeah, that's why GNU has been dead since the early 80s, right? That's why in the video games market, GOG died years ago.

>>60779782
U FORGOT ABT FLIF

>>60783001
It's DOA, you literally need to hack your browser to support. Nobody's doing that shit. Also webp has true lossless encoding as well.

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>>60776577
What retarded thought process would interpret "all patents have expired" as "retired by its maintainers?"

>>60776577
>by its maintainers
uh huh uh huh