/pcbg/ - PC Building General

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Which ssd should i get? I think the galax one because of the price and that it has 3d nand

>>60774918
gtx 660
i7
8 ram

>>60774943
check if you can find su800

>>60774943
Try a different site. A Kingston UV400 should not be near the same price an an EVO.
Looking at most of these they're overcharging for what should be sub $100 drives.

>>60774966
pretty sure these will never be sub 100, it even says australia in the pic

>>60774943
Literally double the costs of USD. Jesus. That shit should be illegal. There is no excuse for that sort of price gouging in the age of a worldwide internet connected economy.

>>60774953
Pretty bad.

For gaming purposes, are there any same budget graphics cards I can use that replace rx480/570/570? Damn ethereum miners

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>>60775027
Ohhh. Then that's about what I payed for mine then.
Pic rel. 2X kingstons UV400's in raid 0.

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Ryzen 5 1600 or 1600X?

this will go with GTX 1060 3GB/6GB (need suggestion on which, alternatives are welcome too) since none of RX 470/480/570/580 are in stock and only god know when they will be restocked.
Motherboard will be B350.
Thanks!

>>60775089
Get the 6gb.
The 1060 3gb is not the same thing with just less ram.
1600X if you're not overclocking. 1600 if you're overclocking.
OR
1600X if you want a better chance at overclocking high.

>>60775089
>Ryzen 5 1600 or 1600X?
1600 is the better value as long as your willing to overclock.

>>60775158
1600 is better value period

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>>60775115
cheers m8.

One more thing, if you had to choose between
a GTX 1060 6GB
and a GTX 1050 Ti 4GB (from Galax) for half the price of the former.
Which one would you go with?
- no 144Hz gaming, perhaps only 60Hz at max (144Hz monitors are expensive..)
- no VR

>>60775171
1060 all day long

>>60775161
You fool!
Your forgetting the clock difference between the two.

I'm looking for a budget 1080p gaming build, going to be playing lightweight games like WoW and CSGO, I don't mind turning down settings, is this a good build? I read somewhere that it's a bad idea to pair an AMD GPU with a budget CPU, is this true?
http://blog.logicalincrements.com/2017/01/building-pc-pentium-g4560/

>>60775186
The 1600 comes with a cooler, is also unlocked and is $20 cheaper
Even if the clocks are lower, it's better value in my opinon. You have to shell out $40 more minimum for a 1600x (price difference + cooler)

>>60775171
I'd the 1060. But if I was tight, and wanted a 1440/4k display in like six months and not in a place it's easy to sell second hand cards. I would stomach the 1050 play with settings dropped a bit till then.

>>60775161
The 1600 easily achieves 3.7/3.8 GHz with the included cooler.

>>60775221
>cooler.
Fuck I forgot. That's the one thing fucking that product over.
Everone complained and wanted cheaper CPU's without coolers. But htey went and made a better stock cooler, that doesn't look like shit. And put it on every chip apart for the 1600x.

>>60775243
Meant for
>>60775186

>>60775243
have you tried it at full load for an extended period of time at these clocks?

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https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/JVtFnn
Data hoarding and gaming. the r5 is for passthrough. Maybe would the octa core ryzens be worth it since ill have one vm running

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are there any cooler that fit on AM4 without requiring a bracket?
Pic related is an AM3 bracket and if my memory serves me right i am ALMOST sure coolers that goes in there can also go on AM4

>>60775243
I meant for someone not overclocking. The added base and turbo clocks will be beneficial.

>>60775212
I don't think you can get a RX 480 nowadays (for $200 anyway) but I think it's a solid budget build based on your requirement. I keep seeing the G4560 getting recommended.

>>60775275
Depends on what the VM is doing
Or if you see yourself using more of them in future. But I wouldn't a 1500. You're already dropping so much on it. It would feel stupid to have a four core. Also for resale value if you decide to curb your data hording ways and become a monk.

>>60775312
Thanks, I also don't mind dropping down to the 470 if the 480 isn't available.

>>60775276
You can probably mod an AM3 to fit. But there's a reason why AM4 coolers exist.

>>60775059
Gtx1060 6th
Or
Secondhand gtx980 or 989ti

Posting again since thread changed. Maybe will get more interesting answers.

Hey guys, can you help with my budget upgrade? Right now I have very old PC, like 5+ years, since I got it, I only upgraded GPU. PC has old gigabyte motherboard with LGA775 slot and Intel q9550 quad processor, 750W power supply, 6gb DDR2 RAM and GTX 660 GPU with 3gb memory. So I want to buy new motherboard with new cpu and ddr4 ram. My budget is around 400-500 euros, and I want to spend ~250 euros on the CPU. My goal is to use PC for gaming, streaming and creating 3d modeling content. I'm deciding between Intel i5-7600k and Ryzen 5. On the one hand Intel is good and reliable, but on the other, Ryzen looks very promising. And if choosing between Ryzen 1600 and 1600x, I like 1600 more because it comes with a not bad CPU Cooler, since I have very shitty and old cooler which I will have to upgrade too. Which manufacturers are the best at making b350 motherboards and DDR4 RAM, also what frequency RAM I need for Ryzen? Thank you for help.

>>60775603
Ryzen will be better for modeling and unless you're getting the 7700k ryzen will be on par with Intel as well. Either get the 1600 it's basicly the 1600x with a lower clock speed and a cooler. You can over clock it to get to the 1600x speed. I would also try to upgrade your gpu since 660 is heavily outdated. I would wait for rx570 or 580s to get back in stock because they are a good value. As for motherboards Asus and asrock make good boards. I would be careful with msi boards because they are known to have problems. Ddr4 2600 or 3000 will work fine for gaming how many gigs of ram you need is more how you personally take care of your pc such as how offer you restart or how many programs you leave open. If you restart regularly and don't keep more than 2-3 programs open at a time 8 gb will be fine otherwise get 16gb. Team dark ram is generally a good price for 16 gb 3000mhz for a little over 100 dollars.

Anons, I have an old chap with 8320+8gb ram+ 280+1 TB HDD in it, I am planning on building a new pc with 1600x (since I really am not knowledgable in terms of OC and shit).
Can I turn my old pc into a server pc that can host my and my brothers online games such as DayZ, private MMO server etc?
And if I can, can I just use it as it is or should I add SSD, ram etc?

>>60775707
I see, maybe I will buy just 8gb ram and, if needed, buy 8 more later. About GPU, yea its old but this 3gb memory can still kick ass, so im pretty sure for some time Ill be okay with it. My friend got gtx 560 and intel i7-7260 and can stream overwatch easily, so I believe in my old boy.

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A reminder that you share a world with these people

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Anyone knows if a be Quiet Pure Rock is enough to cool a Ryzen 7 1700 @ ~3.8Ghz?

I know there are people out there that reach this speed with decent temps (~65°C) with the stock cooler at full speed, but maybe someone has some experience with it.

What are the best applications to benchmark and stress test with after a new build is completed?

>>60775992
>four faze board
>RAM in single? phase
>probably an i5
What's worse is that this isn't what done dipshit ordered form a PC builder. But thermaltake display.

>>60776006
3d mark is good if you want to test how well it will run games

this is for games https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/GfPkKZ

>>60776043
>Z97 mobo
>i5
pick one

>>60775992
>color coordination done by Stevie wonder
>coolant piping done in the laziest way possible instead of the most appealing
>2 of 4 ram slots used on a Z97 board
>that PSU
all of my why.

I know that Nvidia provides a huge amount of settings to tweak your videocard, what about AMD Radeon?

>>60776105
>pick one
http://www.cpu-upgrade.com/mb-Intel_(chipsets)/Z97.html

>>60776108
yes

>>60776130
You watch. They did that, not with an i5, but with a Pentium.

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>>60776165
Source?

Why are so many of you faggots now suggesting i7's and denouncing the i5, complete opposite of a few years ago.

i7 is overkill for almost everyone posting in this thread asking for help. You're all morons

>>60776165
Found it.
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/b/wTJ8TW
It's not that bad. Still bad. But not Pentium bad.

there should be a line in the OP about correct motherboard chipset for your cpu. I see shit like z270 + i5 (non-k) or some other such dumbfuckery a lot. Worse is K series chip with a board that can't OC. That shit makes me die a little.

>>60776105
>2 of 4 ram slots used on a Z97 board

What's wrong with this?

>>60776196
No, we suggest ryzen. Apart from a pentium and a i7 7700k.
Pentium is actually good.
the 7700k is purely there to prevent img_XXXX spamming the thread.

>>60776228
Ryzen is aboslute garbage as well and shills need to stop pushing it. And unlocked i5 is 100x better than a ryzen with X amount of cores that normal people will literally never utilize.

Once again. You're all morons

how does not even threadripper beat the 7700k in gaming? even the 1800x is weak as hell compared to it

>>60776240
>And unlocked i5 is 100x better than a ryzen
Mind posting a few benchmarks?

>>60776282
If I wasn't mobile posting I could

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>>60776240
>>60776257
(You)

>>60776291
ooh....

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>>60776240
>Ryzen is aboslute garbage as well
The Intel shills have arrived.
>and shills need to stop pushing it.
I couldn't give a fuck what brand is what you ignorant twat. My money goes to the best performing product for the money. In the world of sports cars, that would be a buying a Chevrolet Camaro over a BMW M4. In the CPU world, it's buying Ryzen over Intel.
>an i5...
enjoy your stuttering faggot

What is it with Intel shills projecting and calling everyone else shills to draw attention away from their own shilling?

>>60776332
Bad example. I'm Aussie. We worked on the camaro suspension but you dumb fucks still wanted a transverse leaf spring on a IRS.
>M4
Oh. carry on.

>>60776332
you buy a car because you like the way it feels and operates, not just because of speed, or else wede all have rocket cars. YOu buy a cpu because of how it performs, so you get a 7700k. What youre doing is false equivalency

>>60776355
The Camaro is on the Alpha chassis you retard. The Alpha chassis was developed by Cadillac. Holden has nothing to do with the 2016+ Camaro.
>>60776357
And it just so happens the Camaro feels better to drive than the BMW while posting near identical performance numbers. It's an apt comparison.

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>>60776357
>>60776379
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D87tO7VUs2I

>>60776355
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Alpha_platform

>>60776407
there is no way im watching an entire episode of topgear

Is Ryzen going to have something to compete with the new Pentium?

>>60776447
It's not Top Gear Dipshit. It's Motor Trend

>>60776449
The R3 is going to battle the i3. There's been talk of a new Athlon or A-series to fight the Pentiums.

>>60776456
theyre the exact same thing, just cars going fast.

>>60776449
the r3 is going to compete against the pentium and i3 range. Its the only option amd is putting out with a gpu inbuilt, the r5 and r7 lack this feature

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>>60776478
>theyre the exact same thing, just cars going fast.
no they aren't. The dynamic is totally different.

>>60776466
>There's been talk of a new Athlon or A-series to fight the Pentiums.
You mean Raven Ridge
There is going to be an A6, A8, A10, and A12 2 and 4 four versions with and without hyperthreading. From what I understand, the A10 is still going be be position against the Core i3 and the A6 is still going to be positioned against the Celeron/Pentium. I believe that the A12 might be priced above the Core i3 into Core i5 territory.

>>60776858
Oh, and there is the Athlon X2 and X4 version, which I assume are going to be positioned against the Celeron and Pentium respectively. I'm not sure if they'll get SMT.

Would a 1700x paired with a 1080 be a bad idea?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/99yNHN
For gaming, anything I should change before I start ordering parts?

Wanted a 570/580 but they're not in stock and I'm tired of waiting.

>>60777016
yes, 7700k with literally anything would btfo it. youre gimping yourself with the 1700x

>>60777016
If you consider buying both of them then I would buy a bit cheaper gpu and invest in higher cpu

>>60777070
why atx with one pcie card? that psu is overpriced and powered. drop the hard drive or ssd to get a better gpu too. and buy the one you drop later on

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>>60776240

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>>60777071
Buy intel PLS. PLSSSSSSS

>>60777016
Ryzen isn't a good gaming CPU, especially with a 1070 or above. Ditch the 1700X and get a 7700K to give that 1080 some breathing room.

>>60777083
What would be a better motherboard to go for?
And I figured I'd go 1060 as the 1070 doesn't have as much value I thought, and with the monitor I'm getting there's no point for a 1070.

not really a component, but i need a new mouse and keyboard.
been on Roccat Kone XTD, pretty good mouse but the software is meh. and currently some buttons have problems and either don't click or double click.
dunno, im looking for something with at least 2 extra buttons, great grip&scroll wheel.
im gaming and using it for design so a huge range of DPI would be a nice bonus, same with LEDs for night use.


i've also been using a 5 euro keyboard, the cheapest one i could find with QWERTY layout (ugh, everyone uses QWERTZ around here).

been thinking of getting:
https://wooting.nl/

but as it is a kickstarter project im not really sure.

suggestions?

>>60777143
a cheaper matx one imo and get then a smaller case. bazzoka plus if you can get it about $55 i think. your choice with the gpu but its what id do personally, although id get a 580 but i understand theyre scarce in america rn

>>60774918
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

Got the PSU and HD and shit, and i was gonna do an RX 570 / 580 but they are out of stock everywhere. Is there anything that's comparable to what i have now for a cheaper price for a GPU?

>>60777183
absolute shit, start again

>>60777183
not a proper link to your build. Use the permalink. Otherwise it takes us to our build

>>60777183
>>60777207
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Z4pv7h

Yeah i fucked that up hard.

>>60777172
I went for atx as this is my first build and wanted the extra room to work with.
I don't mind paying a bit more for a better atx board

>>60777236
do you think youll go dual gpu eventually? atx barely ever gets used fully


>>60777233
its alright, standard almost

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We're mining ethereum boiz

>>60777307
this has to be bait

>>60777097
>ryzen isn't a good gaming GPU
yes it fucking is, granted it's not the best at it but it doesn't mean it's not good at it you idiot

>>60777254
>do you think youll go dual gpu eventually?
Probably not, rather upgrade my gpu at that point. Does atx offer any cooling benefits?

Do you know when they'll release new radeon drivers?

>>60777355
not really, some past matx chipsets were shit and ran hot but that doesnt apply today, in the same way you can now have a hdd in any orientation.

What's the best OC performance for Ryzen + Mobo + ram currently?

sup senpai, build my rig ~2 weeks ago, runs like a charm.

BUT

sometimes, and that happens like...once, maybe twice in 12 hours or so, there's a crackling sound. Now, it comes from the speakers and one might think "yeah ok, shitty speakers/cable, whatevs"
But when I lean down behind the computer, I can hear that crackling noise right there as well.
I have no idea what it could be - it can't be sparks flying, because a) I doubt that the pc would even work then and b) wouldn't that be a constant issue? I changed the extension thing the pc draws power from, maybe that'll help. Maybe a shitts insulation of one of the PSU cables, interference from that maybe?

>>60777503
its the psu most likely. i had this happen to me. it later made a huge bang and stopped working. replaced it with a better psu and now silence. insulation issues are not going to be the reason.

>>60777233
It's good. Pretty cookie cutter by this point though.

>>60777163
bump


wooting or something like razer blackwidow chroma?

>>60777533
the biggest pain in the ass would be testing for the issue. I could probably still RMA the PSU, but I'd have to know for sure, and I don't have another PSU laying around to test it. I'll keep it in mind for sure

>>60777163
The most important thing about gaming mice is how it fits and sits in the hand, the a brand. I have small hands and use fingertip grab, it is extremely hard to find something that suits me. I used logitech g9 for a long time, now im using cheap Cooler Master Xornet II, because it sits perfectly

>>60777707
Yeah, the Kone XTD is perfect for my hand + i just recently got a drawing tablet that i now also use for for browsing, feels really smooth.
I'd consider buying the kone again, as it's really a decent mouse - but the software it comes with is kinda meh.
I'd plan on making a list with a few recommendations and then going to a store to test them for a while.

& still unsure bout keyboard

>>60775248
It's not included with any of the RyzenX CPUs, which are intended for more serious overclockers, I guess.

It's not like it really makes a difference, the 1800X, 1700X, and 1700 are essentially the same chip, the more expensive ones are just binned higher and clocked higher out of the box.

>>60777789
1500x comes with one though.

>>60777804
I stand corrected. Point still stands for the 1600X, 1700X, and 1800X.

>>60777707
not the brand*

>>60777832
the 1600x, 1700x and 1800x also come with a cooler if you believe hard enough

>>60777163
Consider the Logitech G13, it's unbeatable for gaming in more comfortable positions like a couch or a bed, and it's still pretty great on a desk. An old Razer Orbweaver from when they still used Cerry MX Switches is also a good alternative.

Avoid the Blackwidow (unless you can find one with Cherry MX Switches), current Razer products have shit build quality.

>>60777503
What PSU do you have?

>>60777879
This isn't Disney anon.

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>>60777912

>>60777503
>>60777897
it's a be quiet Straight Power 10 500W

Midrange ryzen build, mostly for gaming. First build so idk if im fucking up.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FtyNHN

>>60777917
What AMD should do is offer the Wraith Max cooler with those X variations

>>60777967
Shouldn't be a fire hazard, but do keep in mind that a PSU can kill other components when it dies, so if it's having issues I would personally replace it asap.

the problem with amd cpus is theyre only cheaper because they don't include a gpu or a cpu cooler and the motherboards are more expensive. Plus you have to pay for more expensive ram since theyre heavily ram speed reliant

>>60777980
Chances are, if you're buying an X you're also buying a beefier cooler, so there's no point in increasing the price to add a cooler most customers will never use.

>>60778031
Skylake-X doesn't include iGPUs either and yet the CPU is more expensive
motherboards are less expensive, not more
high frequency RAM isn't needed

>>60778031
The major benefit with going AMD (other than not giving money to anti-consumer Intel) is that AMD doesn't replace their socket every two weeks, so you can keep the motherboard when you upgrade the CPU.

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rx 580 in stock at newegg right now! just an fyi

>>60778016
how can I tell it's the PSU for sure?

>>60778041
Maybe the best route would be to make the cooler optional

>>60778068
but they just did... am4 replaced am3 and fm2 or whatever.

>>60778141
and intel just replaced LGA 1151, your point being?

>>60778141
Yea but how long was it since last replacement

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>>60778229
EIGHT YEARS

>>60778168
yeah im saying both companies release frequently

>>60778229
how long aince the last am3 cpu? they dont even upgrade it.

>>60774943
why is there a massive price difference between the two samsung SSDs at the bottom? one is 250GB for $150 the other is 256GB for $200

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>>60778141
>AM3+ released 2011, replaced 2017
>LGA 1151 released 2013, replaced 2015

>>60778263
One is EVO, the other is Pro. The Pro line uses higher quality parts and has a longer warranty (my 850 Pro 2TB has a 10 year warranty, the equivalent EVO is 5 years iirc).

>>60778266
pls stop

Why are most video card manufacturers chinese?

>>60778256
>yeah im saying both companies release frequently
They don't you autist
AM3 lasted eight years
AM3+ was compatible with AM3 CPU and lasted 6 years
they released fucking 28 CPUs on it

>>60778328
Cause everything now is made in china

>>60778375
Not anymore. God bless Trump

>>60778266
>AMD took more than 6 years to improve their cpu lineup
>somehow this is a good thing

>>60778328
>not buying EVGA

>>60778408
It's more like AMD is updating not frequently enough and Intel is doing it too often

>>60778424
They're not the only good manufacturer.

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>>60778431
>It's more like AMD is updating not frequently enough and Intel is doing it too often :thinking:

>>60778468
XFX and Sapphire are pretty close, everything else is chink tier.

Hey nerds, I need help. Haven't built a desktop is 10 years or so. I've been using the same laptop for 5.5 years with minor upgrades along the way (i7-2860qm/16GB DDR3-1600/500gb and 1tb 850 EVO). About 6 months ago I got a mPCIe eGPU setup running with a RX 480. Everything was great until recently the system started to crash when waking from sleep (it's not a software problem).

Anyway, I need suggestions for a budget build. Mainly just the CPU and mobo; I can figure out the rest. I was going to just throw my laptop parts in a socket g2 mobo, but they cost over $200 so that seems like it would be a waste of money.

>>60778612
http://blog.logicalincrements.com/2017/01/building-pc-pentium-g4560/

>>60778612
How budget are we talking?

>>60778627
>>60778664

What about the i3-7100? It's only $30 more, which isn't a big deal.

I don't really have a budget. I can spend whatever and regret it later, but I'd like to be around $400-500 for cpu, mobo, 16gb ram, case, and power supply. I already have the RX 480 and two SSDs.

>>60778724
why do you hate pentium?

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I have two builds I want to get, one is with a RX 580 the other is with a GTX 1070. They both have a price of $1700. Which one should I get?

GTX 1070 build
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/cD6jkT

RX 580 build
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/3HQn4C

The 580 build has a top of the line cooler for the CPU as well as a 250 gb SSD. The 1070 build doesn't have these things.

Now clearly the 1070 build will perform better than the 580 build but it will cost a lot more to upgrade (adding cooler and ssd) and it won't perform well in the future vs the 580 with these things. The 580 build will perform better and is cheaper in the long run because all I have to do is get a good next gen GPU (ex Volta) and I'm set for a long time.

My monitor is 1440p @ 60hz which I already purchased, any thoughts on what build I should get? Pic related is the 580 build.

>>60778760

I don't know enough about modern CPU options to hate anything, but if the i3 is better in any way (features?) then $30 more isn't much.

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>>60778760

>>60778724
It's a bit higher than your budget, but I am of the opinion that you should spend a bit more and get a pc that will last a while, rather than a cheap build that will last a couple years at most.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BHPkKZ

The SSD is to take advantage of the M.2 slot on the mobo. It's recommended, but not needed.

>>60778778
An SSD is a necessity in a modern pc. I would go with the 580 build, however you can save a bit by going with the 1600 instead of the 1600X. It's essentially the same chip, they perform the same at the same clock speed. It also comes with a cooler, so you don't need to get the Noctua now, but instead get that later when you want to overclock your cpu higher. Use that money for a better GPU now, or save it for Vega.

>>60778724
>>60778780
because it's only 3% worse than i3. simply not worth spending another 30$.
https://www.computerbase.de/2017-01/intel-pentium-g4560-test-kaby-lake/3/#diagramm-gesamtrating-spiele-full-hd

>>60778851

Thanks. I need to read more about Ryzen. I know it gets a lot of "but muh single core performance" bashing.

>>60778871

Yeah, I see now the only real difference is the i3 has AVX2, whatever that is.

>>60778988
Ryzen is currently better than Intel at every pricepoint except for the i7 7700K, which beats its competitor, the R7 1700, in gaming. However, if you multitask a lot, the 1700 is better.

Which would be better for gaming rig,1600x or 7600k?

>>60779057
See >>60779051

ALso note that the 1600 and the 1600X are essentially the same chip, the more expensive one is just binned higher and clocked higher out of the box. The 1600 also comes with a cooler, while the 1600X doesn't.

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>>60779100
Are you sure? I'm still skeptical, they both cost about the same.

>>60779146
>GTX 1080 Ti
There was at launch (not sure if it's still the case) an issue with nVidia's drivers not working correctly with Ryzen CPUs. Always check more than one benchmark.

>>60779213
https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/ryzens-poor-performance-with-nvidia-gpus-foul-play-did-nvidia-know.2503650/

>>60779057
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKHsMar1Jo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Ovmxfejvo
https://youtu.be/JypkqwpOtNI?t=8m

>>60779051
eh i dunno there's still g4560

>>60779343
True, because there is no Ryzen competitor at that price. The R3 line is expected to demolish the Pentirum, but until it launches the g4560 is still a great chip for a low-budget build.

>>60777097
There barely is any CPU bottleneck at very high resolutions

>>60779378
but r3 won't have igpu. if anything i would wait for ryzen apu.
i imagine that majority of people who buy g4560 are using the igpu, which is fine for general usage and some light indie games.

>>60779467
That's a good point. Any word on when the Ryzen APUs are coming?

>>60777097
that means that also all i5 cpus aren't good for gaming.
funny cause before ryzen came out majority of builds here had i5. now magically everything below i7 is bad for gaming according to intel shills.

hi im poor and live in a third world country and want to play overwatch and lego legends

is this an ok build? i wanna try my hand at some console port games like dark souls and shit

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tFcsFd

is the i3 7100 that much better than the g4560 to command double the price?

>>60779467
>r3 won't have igpu
Why would it not?
R3 mobile are APUs, why would R3 desktop be any different?
They haven't made any communication on this regardless

>>60779485
amd only mentioned H2 2017. nothing else.

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something better for the same price?
H270 series please.

>>60779213
>>60779262
some testing with RX 480
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QshXN_yfUf0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgIO6i7_xPs

>>60779497
>1050
A 1050Ti is a lot better for not much more money
>no SSD
Save up a bit longer and get a 128GB SSD for your OS. It may seem expensive, but it's worth it.

>>60779497
500W is too much for that, a 430W is sufficient.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/HvTmP6/evga-power-supply-100w10430kr

>>60779555
Why is the 7600K under heavier load than the 1600 percentage-wise, even when comparing single core?

>>60779562

Thanks

any SSD you would recommend? I'll have to buy one or the other but for the time being I can leave my music/anime on my external HDD so I guess I could buy just the SSD...

>>60779610

thanks very much.

im on a 650$ budget. what is the best graphics card i can get?

>>60779748
rx 570

>>60779720
I would go with a 128GB Samsung 850 or 950 Evo, though I don't know your local prices.
>>60779748
Is that $650 for the GPU, or for the whole build?

>>60779493
And according to amd shills trying to open a browser and multitasking while gaming on an i7 magically became impossible as soon as ryzen 7 came out. When the fact of the matter is even an i5 can have dozens of chrome tabs open alongside discord and Spotify while playing any game.

>>60779772
i could do it on a $50 g1840 too while playing GTA V, it doesn't mean it was comfortable by any means

>>60779524
Why H270?

I got a free copy of Rocket League with my gtx 1060, is it any good?

>>60779762

my prices are your prices, I live 5 minutes away from San Diego I'ma be hopping over Trump be damned

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nJ8Bpb

Updated list, thanks for the info guys.

>>60779840
>2 cores
If it had 4 threads it would be fine.

>>60779877
I got free code for some stupid game with GTX 1080 as well, but I ended up returning it and they said I have to send back the code as well

>>60779497
For what you want to play the build is fine. SSD as was suggested if you want to spend some extra money. A cheaper, less powerfull psu will suffice too. i3 not worth it. the g4560 basically cannibalizes it.

>>60779762
the 650$ is for the whole build.

I want to set up a new computer because I recently started a new business, I would also like to use this computer for private use but it's very important that there is no virus or problems with my computer.
I would like to use an old computer I have from like 5 years ago, it has pirated windows on it (7 ultimate I think) and would like to put an official version of 10 on it, just standard home edition I think 64 bit too.
Which parts of the computer should I replace for maximum safety and so that I wont run into any problems because of the old pirate windows or possible virusses / scanners that came with it?
I read in the internet virusses or these kind of scanners / files could spread literally anywhere from HDD to GPU to Mobo to even internal memory of a mouse (I have one that saves settings on memory inside the mouse) to even monitor, I'm very confused.
Could someone please help me out? I would like to make no mistakes, it's very important everything works as if it would be new and completely safe, like I said I want to use this computer for doing banking and also for my new business and also for personal use.
Help would be much appreciated.

tldr of question: can i reuse any parts or should I replace everything for maximum safety

>>60779953
If you worry about viruses on anything beside HDD you're paranoid

>>60779953
>I read in the internet virusses or these kind of scanners / files could spread literally anywhere from HDD to GPU to Mobo to even internal memory of a mouse (I have one that saves settings on memory inside the mouse) to even monitor, I'm very confused.
What the fuck have you been reading? In all seriousness, formatting your harddrive is all it takes to completely get rid of all malwares, be warned though you will also all your data (including your OS), so backup beforehand.

>>60779938
What type of resolution and refresh rate do you plan to play on?

>>60779953
why are you so concerned about viruses? if you have half a brain, don't go to shady websites and don't download shady porn you'll be fine

>>60779852
Because I don't plan to upgrade or OC my pc for now. Also, I'm waiting for the meme wars between Ayymd and Jewtel near Christmas.

>>60779997
considering the budget I would guess 1080p60, since better monitors cost more than half of his total budget

>>60779953
You wanna know the best prevention? Don't open jailbait.mp4.exe

>>60779986
i dont know a lot about computer
i just looked up on the internet and i read these things
>>60779994
i just googled around a bit and found many sites writing this, I dont know a lot about computer so I wasn't sure if it's possible
Okay, when do I format the drive? during windows installation?
Thank you I will back up
>>60780016
Because I dont want any trouble or bugs or lose anything because its important

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Best mobo under 99 bucks?

PROPER RYZEN MITX FUCKING WHEN
FUCK YOU AMD

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>>60780076

>>60780043
I always ask cause you never know if they don't already have a monitor. Then ask what type of games will be played.

>>60780076
one with CPU socket, 2 ram slots and PCIE slot

>>60780075
>Okay, when do I format the drive? during windows installation?
I think it does offer to format but I haven't installed Windows in years so I'm not sure.
You can just follow these steps.
>download whichever OS you want and turn it into an installable media
>backup your data
>format the harddrive
>install the new OS
>recover the data

>>60780076
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#X=0,10008
Or this
>>60779524

>>60780094
Patience, anon. Patience.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138452

>>60780076
it depends entirely on the socket, anon...

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Best mobo with 1151 socket under 100$?

>>60775276
You can use the backplate that comes with the AM4 mobo on a Cryorig H7 if you have a drill, sandpaper, and a knife.
>1. Remove the screws from the top, and take off the top mounting brackets.
>2. Using drill bits that get progressively larger, drill out the threading of the holes that are already there, up to an 11/64 bit size (if I recalll correctly). Check the fitment of the screws that come with the H7 cooler after each time you change the drill bit, you want it to be as tight of a fit as possible.
>3. Once done with the drilling, make sure you clean out the bracket.
>4. Take the four plastic spacers, and cut 0.1 inch off the end. Sand the end of the larger piece that you cut.
>5. Installation. Place the screws through the bottom of the bracket, and put the bracket's standoffs through the holes of the motherboard. Put the plastic spacers over the screws so as to hold them in place. Apply thermal paste, mount the cpu cooler, and tighten the screws (you may need two people for this).

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>>60780266
you want me to drill into my motherboard?!

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time for a question I've asked before but didn't get a solid answer to:

ryzen 1700/ b350 pc mate mobo
graphic design/ content creation

Considering the price is the same,
which is the better choice:

Samsung pm961 (m.2 nvme) VS 850 evo (sata 3)?

> is heat a big issue for m.2 drives?
> is it possible for specific nvme ssd to be incompatible with my system (considering I have an m.2 slot.)?
> what are the cons to OEM ssd's compared to retail?

>>60779772
ryzen does suffer less performance loss while multitasking than i5 though. see www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1PjNtkFtHc

>>60780030
just get b250 then

>>60779877
if you don't have a controller and no one to play with then just don't bother.

>>60780307
Sorry, not specific enough. No, not the motherboard. You drill into the screw holes of the metal back plate shown in the picture of the post I was replying to.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gTCn4C

Any advice?

My goal is to be able to run every game that's coming out in the next 4-5 years reasonably well.

I'm not getting anything from AMD due to past bad experiences.

I've got an old XFX Pro Series 550W PSU. Think I can use that for this build?

I'm a Yuropoor btw.

>>60780432
Get a 1080ti, the 1080 will depreciate badly.

>>60780432
swap m.2 for WD blue 500gb SSD 2.5in drive, save yourself $10

>>60780432
swap 212 evo for cryorig h7

>>60780308
Do you really need an NVME SSD?
Pro tip: Don't buy one if you just game, you only benefit from it for specific production workloads.

>>60780432
yeah you can easily reuse the psu

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CqsNHN

Is this a good PSU? The estimated wattage says 126w can the PC get damaged if it's too high? I want to add a 1060 later on.

What games are CPU heavy?
I feel like I won't have much need for extra cores or hyperthreading and should just opt for a g4560 get a better video card.

Best 16 gig memory for the 1600X?

my gtx1060 has no VGA port, only DVI and HDMI

theres a VGA port on my motherboard

if i connect a display using the VGA port on the motherboard, will graphics acceleration to that display be forced to use the on-motherboard intel graphics chip?

or will the GTX1060 still handle acceleration and just output through the onboard VGA?

>>60780672
>graphic design/content creation

I don't game much. I often work with big files, compressing/decompressing, etc, so I think having an nvme ssd would bring some noticeable improvements.

Is a RX 480 4gb for $200 a good deal?

>>60780708
pick from mobo's QVL

>>60780697
change motherboard to b250. psu is fine, not the best quality, but it will easily support this + 1060

>>60780746
No

What is the cheapest case with bottom mounted PSU (I already have PSU), at least two top fan grills, grill beneath PSU and one more at the bottom, USB and phone jack on the top part of front panel (not facing up), easy access to cooler's backplate and some space behind mobo for cable management?
Another fan grill (or two) on the side would be nice.
Essentially I want something like corsair 200r but cheaper.
I have XIGMATEK Asgard 381 right now but ports stopped working.

>>60780712
It will use on board igpu. Get the vga to dvi adapter. You need that and use it on your graphic card dvi port.

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>>60774918
Still running a 6870, I want to play Squad, Rising Storm 2 and GTA 5 at high settings/60fps. What cheap second hand GPU can be obtained to achieve those settings?

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>>60774918
R7 1700
Noctua NH-D15
16GB DDR4 3200
Asrock x370 Killer SLI/AC
Seasonic Flagship PRIME TITANIUM 850
Fractal Define R5 Titanium with extra fan for the front
4x Toshiba x300 5tb
275gb Crucial MX300 m.2
GTX 970 (100$ from a friend getting Vega when it hits mass availability)

>>60780745
Alright. Then you have valid point for getting one.
How I have understood is that OEM NVME SSDs from Samsung are rated at slightly lower speeds than retail ones.

Heat can be a problem for NVME SSDs, but some motherboards come with heatsinks that alleviate the issue a little bit. Just place some cheap heatsinks on the chips and try to get some airflow on the SSD and you should be perfectly fine.

>>60774943
Crucial MX300
Largest capacity
Cheap
3dnand
You won't notice the speed difference unless you do a lot of editing.

>>60774918
What a bullshit list of CPU recs

AMD shills should not be allowed to make /pcbg/ OPs

>>60780492
Why is that?

>>60780495
That's way slower though, right?

>>60780644
Will do.

>>60780678
Thanks.

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can i just slap this on my motherboard's VRM and call it a day? no boom boom?

>>60780911
AMD is on it's last legs, doesn't matter what the shills do.

>>60775059
Leddit posted a 219 dollar 980ti Classified. Basically a 1070, and then you can overclock. Seems like the site is crashing and the reference is sold out so its only Classified now

>>60780911
>>60781000
samefag >>/v/

>>60780835
make sure that 3200 is B die

ram compatibility is way up after the 1.006 agesa update but it's still your best bet at hitting that ram speed.

100 bucks for a 970 isn't too bad

Trying to build a router, anyone have any tips?

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Kyurai/saved/byHHxr

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>>60781014
Retard.

>>60780835
>>60781015


also forgot, I'm running an 1800x and I really don't think I need the NH-D15S I'm using and it's only single fan. You could probably get away with the NH-U14s and still OC to your max binned headroom just fine.

>>60781036
what is "inspect element"

>>60780754
When I looked up the chipset for kaby lake it said only h270 and z270 worked, so i already bought the motherboard. But it looks like it is compatible and cheaper too.

>>60780804

thanks man

>>60781049
What is "I'm a retarded shill who can't fathom that people prefer Intel"

bricked my 2500's motherboard and I need a replacement.

What's a good board to buy? Is the ivy bridge socket compatible?

I want to switch my parts from a ATX case to a compact Mini-ITX case. Realistically, besides motherboard and PSU, which other parts will I need to swap out for smaller variants, and which case is the easiest to work with?

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>>60781064
you're an autistic fanboy who cannot grasp that amd actually has better offerings in some price points. go back to /v/

>>60781136
>which other parts will I need to swap out for smaller variants
Are you retarded?

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>>60781188
Jesus christ you are a moron, I'm a completely different guy now replying to you.

Here let me spell it out to you in a graph.

How the hell is the i5 useless when it beats AMD at the same pricepoint in all the most popular programs.

AMD shills are spreading bullshit all over this board, it's disgusting.

>>60781136
how FUCKING big is your videocard

also what kind of cooler are you using. As for case, the smaller the harder to work in. Itx is not necessarily a great descriptor of the size you're looking for.
>>60781212
rude

>>60781000
I hope so.

I will be so fucking happy when AMD dies completely, it will put an end to the endless AMD shills on /g/.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QcXtYr

Can I buy my other parts now or should I wait till the 580 comes back?

It's 2017 and you idiots are still recommending me to buy Intel/AMD but you're missing out on the true perf/$

BUY VIA YOU FAGS

>>60781220
>in all the most popular programs.
>shows only photoshop

>>60781233
>i cant wait for intel to have a monopoly
americans are THIS retarded

>>60781262
>>>/linustechtips/

>>60781247
do you have a videocard you can use in the interim?

If you do use that and buy the 580 if you're inclined. If you don't have severe brand loyalty the 1060 is basically equivalent but you have to deal with nvidia's driver xxxperience

>>60781299
Nope building it from scratch.

What do you mean by xxxperience?

>>60781322
to use shadowplay you have to create an nvidia account and register your driver software, which is kind of annoying and anti freedoms which /g/ hates quite a bit.
AMD has driver issues too but they've improved IMMENSELY over the couple years or so.

If you're set on getting the 580, get a used card for cheap since you won't be using it permanently and then replace it later. A used 480 would be fine, basically the same as a 580 but this mining craze is fucking the AMD market up hard, and you have to be careful not to buy an old mining card since those tend to be battered.

If you're happy with the used card then you can realistically wait for vega to release and make a decision then, or just buy a 1060 now. Really doesn't matter besides a few quirks to each GPU.

>Asrock releasing black and red AM4 mITX mobos instead of white and black

damn it I hope someone does or I'll have to settle for mATX

>>60774943
don't know if its too late, but I got a 500GB mushkin one a few years ago for $150. They have to be lower now.

>>60781424
Gigabyte went for black and red too.
Probably gonna have to wait quite a few months for black white mitx.

https://es.pcpartpicker.com/list/xcPq2R
I mostly play city builders, 4x games and rpgs. Planing on buying a 2k monitor before christmas. I'm from Spain.
Can I replace anything for something cheaper?

>>60781401
Is my build alright if I just replace the 580 with the 1060?

>>60775029
>Literally double the costs of USD. Jesus. That shit should be illegal. There is no excuse for that sort of price gouging in the age of a worldwide internet connected economy.
Are you completely fucking retarded. Do you seriously think Australians use US dollars?

100$ AUD = 75$ USD

are there any advantages to R5 1600x over 1600? i don't need the wrath spire cooler and i'm overclocking

>>60781525
1600X has better chances in silicon lottery.

>>60781525
I think 1600x is better binned, so on average they will OC higher than the 1600.

>>60781482
it's the same tier of gpu, just green. I can't see any issue with it. To be clear if I was building today I would probably just choose the 1060 because of the eth mining shit driving AMD prices up. The only 580 8gb available is fucking 280 dollars on my pcpartpicker. I managed to get a nitro fury for 250 from amazon, so this artificial demand is just killing AMD's supply.

>>60781563
Only slightly from what I've heard.

>>60779953
Don't get Windows 10 Home edition since it's the worse version, you could get Pro for $30 which is a decent improvement. Education, Enterprise and LTSB are also good.
I would just get a new PC if yours is too old, a Pentium g4560 will do the job for everyday use and it has a decent iGPU, pair it up with 4GB of RAM, a cheap mobo, a high quality low power PSU and you are good for a few more years. You could also add an SSD if you want everything to load faster.

>>60780076
What processor?
For Ryzen its the ASCock B350M Pro4

>>60780432
>Asus GeForce GTX 1080 8GB STRIX Video Card $679.99
>ZOTAC GeForce GTX 1080 Ti Founders Edition 11GB GDDR5X 352-bit Graphics Card (ZT-P10810A-10P) $679.89

Just get a 1080ti if you are spending that much money on a meme card

>>60780758
Anyone?

>>60781963
For +$30 you can get a 1060 6GB which performs much better on games and has more VRAM

Are kinguin windows 10 keys shipped to you? Or emailed or something? Need an OS

>>60781247
That ASRock mobo is very low quality, literally every other motherboard from ASRock is good (ASRock B350M Pro4 being the most popular).
Avoid Gigabyte, stick with $80-100 range.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGrxhf_xZWI

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qqnv7h
How's this look? Is the gpu overkill with these monitors?

Also, I was only planning to buy one, which is better? If neither, is there a better option under $150?

>>60782029
Thanks, I'm glad I waited for your response before buying!

If I go with the ASRock B350M Pro4 will I have to get a bigger PSU?

>>60781041
Noise is a concern.

>>60782031
No, you can use supersampling at 1440p or even 4K and get a much cleaner image (this is superior to any other form of AA)
The BenQ one is good enough.
1060 / RX 580 are the best cards for 1080p in my opinion, but 1070 will last you a bit longer and you will be able to use supersampling, do whatever you wish.

>>60782055
It won't make enough of a difference so no

So my 16gb 3000mhz ram is running at 2133... how big of a difference is this in performance? It bugs me that it's not running at what it's supposed to since I paid for it. But if it's not much difference I can live with it. >>Ryzen 1600 cpu
>>Gigabyte AB350 gaming 3 mobo
>>Corsair Vengeance lox 2x8gb 3000mhz

>>60782138
enable XMP

>>60782138
Go into your bios and enable your mobo's version of XMP. Go ask /sqt/ for more details

>>60780789
Anybody?

>>60782228
you answered your own fucking question
corsair 200r

>>60781946
The cheapest 1080 Ti I can find (ZOTAC GeForce GTX 1080 Ti Blower) is 5,436 DKK ($856).
The ASUS Rog STRIX-GTX1080-8G-GAMING is 4,351 DKK ($659).

>>60782254
>but cheaper
It's hard being poor.

The hunt for a 580 continues.

Should I spring for a 570 instead?

>>60782322
NZXT - Source 210 Elite (White) ATX Mid Tower Case for 40 bucks

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So this is what i've got.

What kind of monitor should I get? 1080p 144hz, 1440p 60hz or 1440p 144hz? I feel like 1080p 144hz would be the best value, but i'm having a hard time justifying 1080p in the current year when I just spent over 1k on a new computer.

>>60782221
>>60782223
I did and it froze my bios I restarted like 10 times before it reset. So I'm not risking that yet. But is there a huge performance issue?

>>60781263
dumb burgers pay 100 bucks a month for thier damn mobile phone contracts because they love monopolies

they also pay the most for slow internet compared to all other countries

and never, ever fly with an americian airline, they suck balls

>>60782371
>it costs more than the corsair in my country
I guess God wants me to waste 60 bucks.

>>60782025
Anybody?

>>60782322
The case is only $50 on newegg right now with a $10 prepaid card rebate.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139018&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker,%20LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

>>60782369
WHY THE FUCK ARE EVEN THE RX 480 ON NEWEGG 600 FUCKING DOLLARS

>>60782403
1440p, the extra screen space is much more useful for multitasking

>>60782369
570 is a perfectly serviceable 1080p card and will get 60fps on most modern games on high/very high.
>>60782435
MINING SHILLS

/BIZ/ CAN'T STOP SHILLING IT

>>60782417
Make sure BIOS is up to date.
The performance issue only comes up if you play badly optimized AAA games like from Bethesda.

>>60782443
60hz or 144hz? I don't play the latest AAA titles, so I think maybe my 1070 with the right adjustments could hit ~100hz at 1440p. Maybe i'm just being delusional?

I will be using my 60hz LG as a secondary.

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>>60782369

Forgot pic

>>60782448

/biz/ makes me jealous that I have no current methods of getting a piece of those suckers blowing their money on short term investments. Mining is just a waste for casual scum

>>60782433
You're a fool for buying a windows 10 key when activators for all versions of windows in MDL forums exists.

>>60782448
No one is shilling mining. It doesn't even make sense to shill mining because that would increase difficulty. Mining is just extremely profitable right now (break even under 2 months)

>>60782469
Don't give up IPS over refresh rate, it's not worth it

>>60782496
It's because of mining that I have been really leery when it comes to buying AMD used since the r9 200s.

>>60782496
the only time I've ever mined was when I somehow managed to get a miner installed on my surface pro 3. No idea how it got there and the thing is probably compromised, probably just going to nuke the damn thing soon.

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>>60782369
Why the hell is there a run on RX 580? Did I miss a snackbar attack in China or something?

>>60782268
Then its okay, either choice is good (1080ti is +%20 in performance, check some benchmarks for yourself)

>>60782509
So you think 1440p 60hz IPS? That was what I really wanted originally, I mostly use web apps and play strategy games, but I started playing some Black Desert Online and it made me realize how much difference high refresh rate could make.

>>60782543
etherium mining

>>60782543

BTC Shot up to the price of 2,840. Etherum shot up to 258$. Etherum triggered a gold rush.

Try not to think how much those were originally worth.

>>60782512
Why? AMD cards are really good at mining because AMD has more sheer hardware compute power than Nvidia. Nvidia performs better in games because of software/driver optimization

>>60782524
I have 6 RX 580s for mining and 2 more on the way. It's so easy to break even because you don't even have to make back the entire cost of the card, which takes 2 months. You can mine for 1 month and sell the card and still be profitable. It's sold out because of how ridiculously profitable it is.

>>60782487
It's not like the keys are expensive anyways, you can even get LTSB version for free, some people don't like to have activators on their computer.

>>60781794
I would not recommend 4gb RAM today especially if using memory hungry programs like Chrome and even Windows itself. 8gb is basically the new minimum.

>>60782576
Jesus mother of god what the fuck happened with BTC?! I should go check my wallet, when this shit first started I did it a little bit and I think I had like 0.15 BTC or something, maybe it's worth my time to go get it converted...

>>60782574
Ethereum isn't even the most profitable coin to mine right now. And with GPUs (unlike ASICs), you can mine pretty much any coin you want (especially now that most coins use "ASIC resistant" algorithms), so if the most profitable coin goes down, you can just mine something else.

>>60782462
What about if I'm editing video?

>>60782590

The question is, will it still be profitable in two months now that the rush is slamming eth? That's a risk of the price tanking and the difficulty of mining to skyrocket.

>>60782614
Speculation mostly

>>60782593
It's a waste of money. My jew ways forbid me from spending it on anything that isn't kosher, and buying from kinguin is not kosher at all, it's a third party seller. And those keys have a chance of failing whenever you do a feature update.

>>60782602
If he has a very tight budget (and RAM is expensive) 4 GB is acceptable for very light use, he could just add another stick when he has the money.

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I will never, ever understand the concept of "mining". Am I a brainlet?

>>60782634
So having an illegal version of a program and an activator is more kosher?

>>60782624
won't be a big impact as long as you have standard 16GB which is 2011 minimum industry standard when it comes to RAM and editing
your CPU is more important, that six core is good enough

>>60782631
I'm actually not mining ETH. See >>60782623
But yes, there's a lot of coins that are very profitable right now, so you can just mine whatever is the most profitable at the time.

Since i'm a poorfag and doesnt have job i need the maximum price per performance also using second hand parts
In my mind im thinking about i5 2500k and a some AMD decent card but i don't know much about perfomance so if you can help an anon with the questions so here it goes:
Best second hand CPU right now? Don't care if chinked
Best GPU for 1080p gaming? I have an LG monitor and works very okay
Is worth buy a case in eBay or just get a cheap new? Is like 50$ @ local stores new
Get in mind i need an entire computer not just cpu/gpu
Thanks /g/

>>60782652
Yes, and the ISO is not illegal if you get it from Microsoft. For true kosher you must buy from Microsoft, not a third party. When it comes to spending money on something, either get it officially or get it for free. If you think you're getting it for cheap or the deal looks too good, your inner jew should be screaming at you.
Don't be a stupid goy.

is it worth paying 350 bucks for no building headaches? https://www.letsbld.com/BLD#estimate

>>60782691
I'm actually a Jew and my uncle always told me to pirate every software I could to save money, I had a bad experience with Windows 7 activators and just bought it for less than $20 from a reputable seller, never had a problem, you are spending less money but its more like getting a 2nd hand products that works like 1st hand, instead of just stealing it.

>>60782698
>No Ryzen
>$350 for building a PC
No, I'm buying all my parts in the same place just for convinience and they have an option for $28 to ship it already assembled, much better than screwing up and having to buy new parts specially if its your first PC build.

>>60782707
>I had a bad experience with Windows 7 activators
shalom
you have let down not only your uncle but your family
never buy second hand products unless you can inspect it and bargain it down, how do you not know this
and piracy is not the same as stealing as long as you don't use it for professional purposes, by which I mean making income
windows loader and mstoolkit > anything from a 3rd party

>>60774918
What's the cheapest second hand GPU solution to replacing a 6870?

>>60782754
Difference is you are not actually getting something used, it functions the same as the original product and Windows works as if it were a genuine key without having to do anything else, as long as the key is from a reputable seller as I said it should work forever.

>>60782698
No, just post partpicker (which supposedly checks compatibility on its own, but certainly not retarded shit like 7700K + 1050Ti) here or on any hardware site and if you have anything stupid in there people will tell you for free.
Or give me just 200 USD and I will make a Certified Quality Build (TM) for you. Why do something for free when you can pay just 250 USD for it. If you aren't poor 300 USD is pocket money.

>>60782739
I'm retarded and I managed it no problem. It's hard to break anything if you don't use force and actually read the manual.

>>60782778
It's still too risky to buy anything digital from 3rd party. There's less risk to your wallet when pirating. I won't agree with you on this.

>>60782802
As I said, if you buy from a reputable enough seller you could even get a replacement key or a refund if it fails.

>>60782829
And if I simply go to MDL forums where windows enthusiasts and hobbyists go and download the updated version I don't pay a single cent.

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how to pirate windows 10??

>>60782775
Bumping for this poor anon who's been asking this in the past few threads. Godspeed friend, hopefully this (You) is some consolation.

>>60782775
price range?

I think I'm set for vega https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VTKxKZ

>>60783032

But are you set for BTC to eat the Vega?

>>60782775
GTX 750 Ti.

>>60783047
I hope it pops by then
if not I don't think I'll wait 3 months for it to be in stock

>>60783047
AMD and nvidia are releasing dedicated crypto cards now. Hopefully that distracts the retards from buying halo products for mining.

>>60782987
You can't because you don't have enough brain cells.

>>60783074
what
source now
potentially more shekels by diversifying products so this is a good thing

>>60782802
Do you have any guide for installing Windows 10 Enterprise from that website? Just getting the .esd and doing a clean install is enough or do I need an activator?

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>>60783079
: (
h-help

>>60783074

Thank you jesus, I might actually have a budget build.

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So this is my first pc build a friend helped me put together, I'd like some feedback on the parts I haven't bought yet, yesterday there was discussion about my cooling system being pointless due to my graphics card not being able to over clock.
This really is my first attempt to build a pc so please by all means talk to me like you would a slow ten year old.

>>60783102
Fresh install? Have the Enterprise iso/esd in a usb and proceed like a normal installation, just skip online activation. After installation turn on mstoolkit from MDL, activate and restart.
Make sure to get the toolkit from MDL. Everywhere else is malware bait for the illiterate mainstream.

>>60783136
What is with that pink case it looks like a tumor.
>Z series mobo
>locked CPU
>i5
>buying windows 10
You will regret this.