I've finally fell for the Debian meme. Stable is nearly

>>60738864

stable os with old packages. It just werks

>>60738864
No games

You should install the Wordpress package first.

Everyone hates you when you file bug reports.

>tfw I can't get my Wi-Fi to work on Debian Stable
Fuck me, Debian is easy mode and I can't do it. I fucking suck.

>>60739375
Install the non-free firmware you meatball.
https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware

>>60738864
your shit is more insecure than ubuntu because it has no default apparmor enabled

>>60739605
Debian doesn't have fucking bluetooth enabled by default.

>can't install grub to /target/

>>60739617
apparmor is actually important because you open infected pdfs and shit

>>60739617
Was that supposed to be a bad thing?

>>60738864
No wifi

>>60740085
Lel, this.

>>60738864
2012 packages
no drivers
no firmware
awful rendering for office documents cause shitlibre from 2014 version
shit ffmpeg (i think they actually ditched it for Libav like ubuntu tried in 14 lts?)
virtually no mpv(old version)

>>60740085
>>60740097
>implying it's hard to install the appropriate kernel module

enjoy gnome 3.14 and software released 10 years ago

>>60740115
>not using latex
>not compiling ffmpeg and mpv on all distros

Editing your sources.list to be testing or sid

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>>60740122
>using gnome

>>60738864
Isn't testing more suited for desktop use? Stable is for server right?

>>60738864
Dist-upgrade to unstable. It is rolling release and honestly it has never broken on me. Testing is also a viable choice, but be aware of the tradeoffs. You can read how to do the upgrade on the Debian wiki.

Stable is only meant for servers because of stability.

>>60742336
What for? I'm happy with the stable plus backports.

>>60742336
>>60742381
I recommend testing, it allows you to get latest (free) drivers and most things like perfect dual screen support work out of the box. Using Jessie won't prevent you from enjoying the full range of features available from your hardware but it might require some more tinkering.

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Set up sudoers so that you're not running everything as root and compromising your security. First open the terminal and type "su" and enter your root password. Then type "visudo" and near the bottom it'll say "root ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL). Right under root, add your username with the same permissions. Then below that it'll say "%sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL. So you should have " yourusername ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL" copied below those two lines. Now you should have access to everything in your system through the sudo command.

Update to stretch. It's as easy as Googling the "Debian stretch sources", opening your terminal, and typing "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" Delete everything in there and add the three or four lines that you copied from Google. If you want to label them as new stretch sources, simply go to a new line and add # before the text to make it a comment.

You could use GUI apps to configure this stuff but it's not as efficient or straight forward.

I also recommend adding HTTPS Everywhere, uBlock Origin, and Self Destructing Cookies to Firefox. Set it to never remember history and change your search engine to Startpage.com. It's literally Google without the invasive JavaScript and ads.

>>60742654
Oh, and before messing with sources, be sure to run "sudo apt upgrade -y" to get all of your packages up to date. Then after adding the new sources you can run "sudo apt dist-upgrade -y" and the whole system will upgrade. If for any reason the kernel does not update, just do "sudo apt-cache search linux-image" and then "sudo apt install newest-image-available". Log out and log back in and you should be good to go.

>>60740243
EXACTLY how?

Not being able to compile things because the packages are ancient

>>60742654
It automatically sets up sudo for the first user if you leave the root account's credentials blank.

>>60742777
>google the sources
>copy the sources
>sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
>paste the sources
>sudo apt update
>sudo apt dist-upgrade

>>60742804
Any why would I leave the root account blank? That's retarded.

>>60742825
It won't even make the root account if it's blank. (can't sign in)

>>60738864
The current stable is about to become oldstable while testing becomes stable in two weeks. You picked a bad time

>>60742825
it disables root login

>>60742842
Exactly, why would I want to be cucked out of root access? I'd use Ubuntu if I wanted that.

>>60742879
>cucked
>>>/pol/

>>60742654
What's important about HTTPS Everywhere and self destructing cookies, stallman?

I have 2 gb of ram and im worried about losing more speed

>>60742879
>>>/pol/
>>>/the_donald/

>>60742654
>EEF

enjoy your botnet

>>60742917
self destructing cookies are pure autism but everything else is valid and at peak usage takes up like 1mb. uBlock should actually decrease cpu and ram usage a little by blocking ads and HTTPS Everywhere is a privacy oriented fix to run all websites through a secure network. No speed loss

>>60742864
sauce?

>>60738864
I hope you're installing it on a server, it's about as good for desktops as CentOS.

>>60742904
>>60742938
>everyone I don't like is from /pol/ and reddit
Stormfront here.

>>60742917
Security. I use those extensions and I can barely reach 1GB of RAM usage with a bunch of Firefox tabs open.

>>60743058
>using cookies
Enjoy your botnet, tripfag.

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>>60743083
>1 GB for webbrowsing
dropped

>>60743064
https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2017/05/msg00002.html

>>60740120
Why do people say Arch is hard mode and Debian or buntus are easy when you have to do shit like compile kernel to have working wifi?

>>60739375
broadcom? my child

>>60743129
>have to compile to have working wifi

What the fuck, why do people recommend arch

>>60743096
That's with my entire DE, not just the browser you tard.

>>60743144
I meant that in Debian (stable) you have to compile, not in Arch.

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>>60738928
most of my steam library works fine on debian.

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>>60738864
>what am I in for?
A beautiful, stable experience. You will never get random regressions and updates will never break your system. You can also rest assured that the system is secure thanks to the amazing community.

Unless you fap to version numbers, they're useless. Sure, you might be lacking a couple of new features, but are they really necessary if your system is up and running flawlessly? Plus, you can always install a backport, an appimage or a snap/flatpak if you want the latest version of something.

Oh, and Debian offers only Libre packages by default. That's amazing.

Protip:
>add the Mozilla Apt repository, install it's version of Firefox and then uninstall firefox-esr. Debian only has ESR on it's official repository, so you'll be stuck with Firefox 52 until next year
>the WINE team offers a repository with the latest WINE version for Debian. You might want to use it, but bear in mind that using random repositories is not recommended since it might introduce random breakages
>don't mix Backports and Experimental repositories. You will have a bad time
>for the most part, apt works great. Some users prefer aptitude. Just don't use apt-get, it's supposed to be used by scripts and not humans. Dist-upgrade is never safe
>Debian sometimes has stupid defaults (like Synaptics touchpads don't accept tap to click or LightDM doesn't show the list of users) go to the Debian wiki. It has explanations and tells you which config files to modify
>at any point in time you can move to Debian Unstable. Just modify the repository list with help from the wiki and you're set
>to add a user to sudoers, all you need to do is use 'su', and then the 'adduser username sudo' command

Happy hacking.

>>60738864
reinstalling windows

>>60743083
>he has to set all his shit up everytime he closes a tab
cookies are useful for things other than tracking you dumbfuck.

>>60743129
Because if you're using Linux on a dedicated server or virtual server, where it belongs, Debian is easy mode.

As for what's good on the desktop....who cares, honestly, GNU/Linux on the desktop is a trash fire no matter what distro you use. Six million ways to die, choose one.

Why is it still called Debian and not just Ian?

>>60742654
>using sudo
>using stretch which is still a testing branch
This post is a whole lot of know nothing.

>>60743129
Why would you have to compile your kernel when 4.9 is in the repos? Also arch (and also gentoo) isn't hard unless following a guide and comprehending what you read are too hard for you.

>>60743297
See: >>60743173
I agree Gentoo and Arch are really easy-mode.

>>60742904
>offended over the word cucked
Christ, you people really don't adapt to the culture here at all do you? Image boards are no "multicultural", learn or get out.

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>>60743214
>party van comes
>they take your computers
>they open the browser
>instant access to all of your accounts
>t-t-thanks c-cookies!
All because you're too stupid to remember your own passwords.

>>60743254
Let me guess, you're the Gentoo fag that ran Firefox as root and got malware?

>>60738864
outdated packages. maintainers that WILL close your bug reports because such old versions are no longer supported.

>>60743173
No, you don't. The Debian installer automatically checks if your hardware is compatible with libre-Linux. If it needs a proprietary blob, it will display the name of the firmware and then you can download it from Debian's webpage and keep it updates using Debian's non-free repository.
This is the only reason why the FSF doesn't recommend Debian, because Debian recommends non-free blobs and hosts them in their servers.
If your hardware needs a driver not included in the Debian non-free repositories, then you would need to compile it in every single distro

>>60743214
You can choose to delete cookies after you close the tab, to delete them after you close the browser, to never delete cookies from a certain website and/or to disable third-party cookies.

>>60743347
I don't like typing in 26 character passwords every 5 minutes, I have work to do

>>60743317
You can simply add backports to your sources.list and install a newer kernel. Also stretch, which is going to be stable in two weeks, comes with 4.9 AFAIK.

>>60743347
>party van
Well I'm not a pedophile or terrorist you fucking mongoloid

>>60743347
sudo is overkill for a single user.

>>60743420
hot opinion

>>60743420
root is dangerous

>>60738864
Heaven

>>60743420
>sudo is overkill for a single user
look at this retard

>>60742804
It doesn't even come with sudo installed you fucking retard. You probably used Ubuntu and just assumed that Debian is the same way. Just shut your whore mouth up.

>>60743440
For you. Sudo is for cucks. xD

>>60742864
And then you update your shit and it becomes the new stable, doesn't it?

>>60743360
huh, neat
>>60743347
my country is too poor to have party vans, also
Convenience>Privacy, its why I use google services. I use libre/FOSS alternatives as long as they don't hold me back.

>>60743502
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/106529/why-is-sudo-not-installed-by-default-in-debian
>If you specify a root password during installation sudo is not installed by default. If you do not specify a root password, sudo is installed.

No drivers. Not memeing, that's literally what you're in for.

>>60743637
>what is the Debian w/proprietary firmware installer

>>60743637
Why would you use and install Debian for anything but for a server? Don't need special drivers when you use it for a server

>>60743635
>making a regular user an administrator by not setting a root password in the installer
Don't do this.

>>60738864
same as every other linux distro

>>60738864
>outdated packages
>non-functional software that stays in more than one version
>retarded maintainers

It's annoying for users that more than a working version of the top 10 famous applications and it gets worse if you ever develop software on it.

>>60738864
a dist-upgrade in 2 weeks because stretch will become stable and jessie oldstable

check out backports, if you need newer versions of some packages.

>>60738864
>debian
>not calling it divdead instead

>>60742654
>yourusername ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL
you forgot to mention to set NOPASSWD
fuck, what kind of retard sets sudo to ALL instead of explicitly specifying which programs the user is allow to run with sudo ?
are you a ubuntu user or something ?

i seriously wonder what /g/ will say in 2 weeks when stretch becomes stable

on another thought, most people just keep repeating the bullshit they read on /g/ and has actually no idea what they are talking about, so i guess it will still be complain about ancient packages

>>60744011
Redshift won't work.

>>60744100
had to lookup what redshift is. but according to the debian wiki it works just fine ?

>>60744011
/g/ will one day realize the superiority of Debian

>>60744011
on that notice. How do I upgrade my stable to stretch (or then stable)? Never done that before

>>60744280
edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace all occurrences of "jessie" with "stretch"

sed -i 's/jessie/stretch/g' /etc/apt/sources.list

(or just use the texteditor of your choice)

run

apt-get update
apt-get dist-upgrade

just reinstalling it would probably be the better option though

as long as you don't mind being stuck in 2015, you'll probably have a good time.

>>60743360
>This is the only reason why the FSF doesn't recommend Debian
I thought they got butthurt that Debian had a non-free repository at all.

>>60744246
i seriously doubt that.
99% of /g/ literally just has a linux VM or partition to post in desktop threads.

>>60744011
>so i guess it will still be complain about ancient packages
When Stretch becomes stable, users will be locked into Stretch until the next major release. Jessie was released in 2015, so that's a long time without major updates.
If you're not running a server, I don't see why you wouldn't just upgrade to Sid when Stretch is released.

>>60744215
It doesn't work with Wayland's design.

>>60743635
>b-but this is how they used to do it in the versions from 4 years a-ago
And this is proof of?

>>60744517
> I don't see why you wouldn't just upgrade to Sid when Stretch is released.
i don't see why i should want to upgrade to Sid. i've been running Sid for years, but settled with stable ~2 years ago.
if i actually need a newer version of a package i'll just fetch it from backports.
everythings just stable, and there's no chance that some upstream package changes it's api, configuration options, etc (happened a few times to me on Sid, it's just annoying)

Debian is literally server OS

>>60744529
i thought stretch would still use Xorg as default display server ?

>>60740122
> installs a DE

>>60744100
Newest Gnome comes with redshift built in

>>60743199

99 dubs, but a drug needle aint one

>>60744409
>just reinstalling it would probably be the better option though
thanks
but then I'd have to reinstall all packages I'd need too? That's a lot of work and things can crash

>>60744100

did you run it with your long/lat args?

>>60745003

>but then I'd have to reinstall all packages I'd need too?
yeah

the reason why i suggested reinstalling is that the only situation where something _could_ break on debian is doing a dist-upgrade
the last time that happened was when going from squeezy to wheezy though because of multiarch.

better wait a few days after the stretch release to check if everything is fine, just to be sure.

and i hope you don't use awesome wm

>>60744658
I was not aware that existed. That would have made everything much less painful when I ran debian stable. I just compiled a ton of packages from source before moving to Arch because autism.

>>60738928
Quite a few emulators are in the repositories for Stretch. The issue I have is I can't find doomsday in the repo. Chocolate Doom pulls in the free Doom knock off. I have the retail wad files so I want to play the real doom and not some free tard imitation. the website for doomsday says is in the repo but I think that's only for Jessie. I also can't install openxcom. when I try to install the package it always claims a dependency is missing even though I installed everything needed myself.

Maybe this will improve later into the life of Stretch but if I continue I problems with gaming-related software I might go back to Ubuntu.

>>60744974
also plasma 5.11 (still in beta)

>>60739627
this. I had to remove all my other drives for it to work

>>60743096
who is the qt on the right?

>>60738864
Did you already choose your DE? I like Cinnamon. If you aren't using the test branch (and I don't), I'd recommend grabbing Chromium, as the esr version of firefox is pitifully underpowered.

>>60745766
awesome movie http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5052448/

>>60742654

# visudo
bash: visudo: command not found

Now what?

>>60745537
backports is awesome if you just need a few packages.

>I was not aware that existed.
seems like thats the norm on /g/

>I just compiled a ton of packages from source
build-dep and apt-build ?

>>60738864
shit font rendering

>>60745977
>build-dep and apt-build ?
no, I just downloaded the newer version of the source from the project's webpage and installed.

Doesn't apt-build just natively build the version of the package from the repo?

>>60746046
>Doesn't apt-build just natively build the version of the package from the repo?
you can pin packages or use the -t flag to choose another version/repo
like many testing users also have unstable in their sources.list and can install packages with

apt-get -t unstable install package

to install a package from unstable

>>60738864
Basically youre in for the single best operating system ever

its immensely easy to use, while being immensely light-weight if you went with the net install

>>60739627
pretty sure you can. maybe you people arent using expert install?

>>60740085
>>60740097
>using botnet wifi cards
use atheros, fags

>>60746207
grub expects a device as argument, not a mountpoint

>>60743233
Ian is dead...

>>60746234
so put a device?

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>>60739375
Fuck it and just install Ubuntu. Why do you want to torture yourself with old, stale packages?

Guys, I keep reading about how Debian packagers/maintainers/developers like to modify the software they package. Is this true? It makes me feel kind of uneasy that some hobbyist SJW is modifying the software I use for some important tasks.

>>60746436
>falling for sadistic meme posts in the year 2017.

>>60748498
There's an archive (signed with GPG) that has original source code from upstream.

Most patches are for compatibility with Debian, security or small bug fixes. You can see what patches are added.

>>60748575
Thanks, friend.

Do they provide comments on modifications they make? Excuse my ignorance, I'm reasonably new to this.

>>60748498
This is why you use Fedora or Arch, where they leave the modifications of packages to the upstream developers, not some neckbeard who thinks they know better.

>>60748605
Look at this https://sources.debian.net/src/gnutls28/3.3.8-6%2Bdeb8u5/debian/patches/
And you'll get the idea.

There is no mpv backports.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>60749032
It's a shitty player that doesn't even have official builds, all of them are third party. And you were expecting backports? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

sudo is useful and all but if im installing packages you bet your ass im gonna use su

>>60746187
This.
The net installer is great, and if you use the old school GUI you can avoid installing all the junk (gnome, ect.) and end up with a light af system

>>60749292
>It's a shitty player

Stopped reading there.

>>60745954

whereis visudo

>>60743199
How good can your x220 run games? Super hot? High maintanence?

Upgrade to unstable right the fuck now