>winfag because muh games >concerned about botnet in win

>>60673929
join linux gaming and support multi-platform games

Windows 7 is still secure if you apply the right updates. Make a fresh install and use simplix update pack from OSZone to install needed updates.
Don't ever think of installing W10.

10 is fine don't be a pussy

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I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux,
is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux.
Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component
of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell
utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day,
without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU
which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are
not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a
part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system
that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run.
The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself;
it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is
normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system
is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux"
distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

Games will stop supporting 7 eventually. Best to get used to the cock slow and easy now rather than have it jammed through your rectum like a bullet train later.

>>60673929
install 10 and disable all spyware services and tasks by hand, that's enough

However, updates may reenable them so it should be scripted to not recheck manually each time.

Use a linux distro for your main OS, dual boot windows 10 for
>muh gaymes
(Don't do anything else on it thou)
>muh botnet

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Dual boot Windows 10 LTSB for gaming and GNU/Linux for everything else.

>>60673929
8

Windows has always been garbage OP, but windows 10 especially so.

Windows 10 go out of it's way to take power away from the user by disallowing even the simplest tasks like disabling updates.

The operating system also displays annoying nags when you try to run unsigned software from the internet. Masked as a "security" feature, Microsoft obviously do this to incentize you to use their app store.

Apps for windows 10 don't even allow the developer full control over the operating system. Instead forcing them to run their app in a restrictive sandbox and forcing them to meet Microsoft guidelines or not be allowed to publish. Not to mention giving Microsoft a cut of their dollars.

To recap:
>windows 10 collects all kinds of data about you and doesn't let you opt out.
>windows 10 forces advertisements into your operating system.
>windows 10 disincentivizes the use of non- "Universal Windows Platform apps"
>Windows 10 makes everything big, chunky and square so you can run it on a tablet
>Windows 10 tries to lock developers out of native API calls

It's literally like giving your computer to Microsoft and saying "hey guys lock me out of everything and force me to do whatever you want."

It's an absolute disgrace.

THIS is what happens when people support non-free software OP.

Anyway I suggest you give up video games and get some adult hobbies. Life is a full of adventures just waiting to be had if you don't bury yourself away in other people's fantasies.

But if you really insist on playing games than you have some options:

1. Have a separate windows computer that you play games on giving it minimal access to your network/data
2. Dual boot Windows
3. Use windows 7 but disable updates and only apply the updates that you feel necessary.

Don't even bother using windows 10. It's always impossible to fully strip all the malware from the system as it's designed from the ground up to take control away from the user. It's essentially the antithesis of free software.

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>>60674102

"install 10 and disable all spyware services and tasks by hand, that's enough"

>>60673929
Im using windows 10. Its fine for games.

Botnet is fine. I even installed google chrome.

Botnet is a meme.

>>60673929
If you only need it for games you can use Windows offline.
inb4 Steam, Origin, Uplay... just don't use that shit. Either pirate or buy from gog.

>>60674110
I'm going for a dual boot then.

>>60674181
I'm all for supporting FOSS and privacy. Gaming is simply something I do, and the current games I play are not supported enough on anything but Windows.

With as much tweaking that can be done on either Windows 7 or 10, which one would be best for gaming (online included)?

>>60674335
Install Ubuntu in another partition and forget about it for the rest of your life.

>>60674335
I get more fps in CSGO in 7 than in 10.

>>60674182
taskschd.msc
services.msc

Thank me later. Thankfully MS included pretty straightforward description so you should disable everything what collects any kind of data.

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>>60674400
>>60674102
You should stop lying on the Internet.

>>60674181
>To recap:
>Wall of idiocy
You have no idea what are you talking about, do you?

>>60674335
Did you try wine? Works on nearly everything I usually play.

>>60674640
I haven't tried it yet, but according to videos testing titles like Overwatch and Doom, it seems to have some pretty bad compability issues

>>60674824
Doom is supposed to work very good on wine, basically windows performance levels -5%. Overwatch I don't know, but you should try, also look it up in the wine database.

Install 7. Only install security updates, but skip the "roundup" updates.

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>>60673929
>remove media player
>32 megabytes less
TOP KEK

>>60674335
>I'm going for a dual boot then
I'll give you two weeks at most until you'll ditch the idea.

Sounds good but killing your workflow by rebooting so you can open your games for a while and then killing it again so you can work/shitpost/whatever becomes increasingly annoying.

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>>60673929
Use 7 and update it with Simplix pack or WSUS offline.
http://forum.oszone.net/thread-257198.html
Cкaчaть = Download

or
http://www.wsusoffline.net/

Or update it by yourself and avoid known bad updates.
First install these manually:

> [1] Installing and searching for updates is slow and high CPU usage occurs in Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3102810

> [2] How to update the Windows Update Agent to the latest version
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/949104

> [3] April 2015 servicing stack update for Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3020369

> [4] July 2016 update rollup for Windows 7 SP1 and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3172605

Avoid:
KB2952664
KB3021917
KB3068708
KB3080149
KB3184143
KB971033

Full list to check your system after update via PS:
get-hotfix -id KB971033,KB2902907,KB2922324,KB2952664,KB2976978,KB2977759,KB2990214,KB3012973,KB3014460,KB3015249,KB3021917,KB3022345,KB3035583,KB3044374,KB3050265,KB3050267,KB3065987,KB3068708,KB3072318,KB3075249,KB3075851,KB3075853,KB3080149,KB3123862,KB3150513,KB3139923,KB3081954

Uninstall via PS:
wusa /uninstall /kb:2952664

You don't have to deal with this crap if you use Simplix pack.

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>>60673929
OP, I was in your shoes almost a year ago. I made myself a band spanking PC and was growing in concern about the rising trend in telemetry and vulnerabilities.
I installed Linux on my PC and Win10 on a VM. Sure, I lose some CPU power, but I use GPU passthrough and it works amazingly well.
It's a bitch to setup, you have to do a lot a fucking around and your PC might not even be compatible with this kind of setup, but nothing beats it in my eyes. Sure, Win10 still phones home, but if you keep it only for gaymen and the ocasional docx file, you're golden.
Dual booting is a scam, nobody wants to wait 1-5 min. just to edit a .psd file or play a quick match of whatever, before you know it, you'll stop booting into Linux and just give up. To add to that, you're trusting Windows with your bare metal. If I ever get into a fit of autistic rage, I can just wipe the virtual machine and be done with it. Dual-booting leaves your machine fucked unless you install to different physical drives.

windows 10 is a piece of trash, just installed it for fun to see how bad it really is, its a malignant tumor of a system, it boots way longer than any other OS I have including win7, also it comes with so much bloatware and spyware its unbeliavable, they actually force you to agree that they can collect any kind of information on the system including personal info, and if you dont agree you cant install the system

>>60674102
>>60674485

Win 10 bypasses the host file and it'll still send data out.

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all I do on my desktop is play WoW and shitpost.. I have the ultimate comfy Win7 install with classic theme.. I kinda hope some megacorp(s) strongarm microshaft into extending "extended" support for 7 until like 2025 at least...

fucking hate everything after 7, and if I'm going to "upgrade" from 7 I might as well go straight to 10 instead of another dead/soon to be dead version.

plus I'm likely to upgrade to the fastest low core high clock gaymen CPU pretty soon because WoW is still an absolute pig disgusting in that dept.

>>60674102
I think the main point is that we shouldn't have to fight the os like this in the first place. Yes we can do all these things but it's a constant battle because they will keep finding ways to hide things.

>>60674054
>don't be a pussy
This is not something that should have to be said with regards to installing an operating system. Your OS a shit.

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>>60677296
This. Pic related, weenies.

>>60673929
The botnet is the games moron!

>>60677069
Valid point. However, Wine or VM doesn't come close to native Windows gaming performance (and compability) yet.

>>60674014
>>60674181
>>60674385
>>60675460
>>60677150
Thanks for the help anons

>>60674104

This is the only real answer

>>60677167
What CPU/Graphics card do you have, and how much performance difference are we talking about (in which games)?

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>>60673929
pfft security. what a bunch of shit. Im on out of the box windows 7 without a single update and have been since 2009. Not a problem. I reckon its a scam.

>>60677430
Just install 7 and a couple of patches if you want.

I'm still running unpatched W7 SP1 because of gaymes, ms office and adobe shit without issues whatsoever, everything clean according to the monthly malwarebytes scan even after all the ransomware shit meme stuff. You just need to activate EMET, a good whitelist firewall and fucking common sense that nobody has.

>>60677408
LTSB here. I literally do not have this problem.

>>60677552

yep, I too havent updated in ages, if you have common sense and know some shit then its really not a problem

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>>60677606
That's what you think.

>>60673929
If you have anything newer than a Core 2 CPU than you might as well use Windows 10 since you have hardware backdoors anyways.

>>60673972
THIS

don't be a pussy OP

>>60673929
Use linux for your general computing and Win 10 exclusively for gaming and whatever one program you can't find a substitute for.

I don't care if MS spies on muh videogames.

>>60674335

The only benefit I'm aware of that Win 10 has over 7 is DX12.

DX12 and Vulcan are the new, future API's that games will use and they are both great.

Vulcan works on Win7 and Win10, DX12 is only for Win10.

Email game devs and your state senator urging them to use Vulcan instead of DX12 because you do not support Win10 and it's terrible practices.

Until major games you love come out ONLY in DX12 (most games will be DX11 backwards compatible for a while) then you can comfortably game on Win7.

>>60673929
Just install Linux and get a console for your gaymes. All PC gets is ports and ASSFAGGOTS, and with the last usable Windows getting phased out it's only going to get worse.

>>60673929
>vulnerability w/o telemetry updates win 7
That is microshit propaganda. I have Win7 with zero updates past SP1 and I've never had problems. I didn't alter my browsing habits at all and I didn't get hit with that ransomware thing that happened.

Linux + wine, your computer can do it unless youre a poorfag

Get W10 Pro, disable as much of 'muh scary botnet' features as possible (delve into registry if you have to) and deal

>>60677841
Pro is just as cucked as Home. The only version of Windows 10 I'd use is Windows Server 2016

>>60677670
I installed SteamOS and it was horrible. Instead of 90 fps(windows) i got 30. Tried that few years ago with ubuntu with same result.

>>60677606
Yes you do, anon. Yes you do.

>>60677841
You can't turn it off. Even if there is an option to turn it """off""" it actually doesn't do anything. How do you not know this?

>>60677841
See >>60677635 and install gentoo

>>60674181
>Adult hobbies

LIke? Going outdoors is a meme where I live

>>60677790
Thanks anon, I'm never using DX12 as long as I live

>>60677374
I found the pussy guys!

>>60673929
>Oh my god i hate windows 10 now.
Windows 10 is the best operating system microsoft has ever produced. You faggots are in for a treat when Linus decides to stop supporting Linux and comes to work at microsoft.
t. microsoft technical support employee.

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>>60678241

>>60677790
You don't even need to do that really, dx12 is digging its own grave by just being garbage. I still get more fps in ROTR with dx11 maxed out settings even after this new patch.

>>60678241
How much do they pay you Rajeesh?

>>60674181
You are a retard spouting lies while trying to give life advice to some poor dude that just wants to know whether to use w10.

You can absolutely turn off automatic updates.
Read on Microsoft website what level 1 telemetry actually entails. Take off your tinfoil hat. Jesus Christ

>>60678346
>rupals have been deposited to your account gangaloosh

>>60677408
>>60677606
https://xato.net/windows-spying-and-a-twitter-rant-19203babb2e7

Your twitter image is May 21 and this is May 22 article of him backtracking.

>>60678300
$26.95 an hour.

>>60678395
Congratulations.

>>60678380
>I have no argument so I will spout tired Memes
OK champ

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>>60673972
>linux
>gaming

>>60673929
Windows 10 is literally the ugliest Windows there have been, that alone is reason not to use it. Choose 7 or 8.

>>60678590
Yeah call me silly but I do prefer the aero and other 3d kinda looks to the boring flatness everyone wants to use now. I mean maybe it makes sense on battery devices to save on rendering but I have this thing called a "graphics card" inside my desktop, let me utilize it.

>>60678617
I prefer to use my card for games and CAD

>>60678617
> I do prefer the aero and other 3d kinda looks to the boring flatness everyone wants to use now
Exactly what I meant.

>>60678632
Well that too but I'm just saying nothing wrong with taking advantage of it in the interface as well it's not like aero uses up much of it to effect your games much if at all or you can just set the game to disable aero on launch.

>>60678617
Microsoft has proven with Windows 8 that their UI design team has been replaced by literal monkeys. Windows 2000 had the best UI out of all the iterations of the operating system, with consistent icons and menus everywhere. Windows 7 comes close, and although there are some legacy icons left over the UI is consistent and professionally-designed for the most part. 8 started the trend of half-metro half-aero, and 10 is a clusterfuck of shit made in PowerPoint by underpaid interns.

>>60678241
>Windows 10 is the best operating system microsoft has ever produced.
I genuinely think this way, actually.

-Backward compatibility while isn't perfect is leagues above 98>XP or XP>7 transitions;
-Hardware recognition actually works for almost everything;
-WSL gives access to various GNU stuff that I use for work;
-Crashes, freezes, and BSoDs are almost non-existent;
-Even boot times are faster.

Not everything is perfect, and I have a few bones to pick with Win10, but overall experience I've been having with it for over a year already is quite positive.

>>60678617
Agreed.

>>60678699
>crashes, freezes, and BSoDs are almost non-existent

I'm a developer and it crashes every week for me

I like using Linux and gaming on Linux, but i just kept running into too many issues running shit over wine.

I just use wangblows 10 and disable all the telemetry because my time is not worth fucking around every time I want to use a new application.

Game on your Windows 10 desktop rig

Do everything else on a cheap linux laptop.

Best of both worlds and honestly not all that expensive.

>>60679042
but that's the lunix experience (tm)

>>60679077
Who really has time for this honestly, it's a fucking mess and it fucking sucks when I need to use an application that doesn't have linux support i absolutely dread trying to get it working.

The reason there is not Linux adoption on the scale of Winblows is because it just DOESN't fucking werk.

Using 7 SP1 with not a single update installed, it helps to not be a dumb fuck

>>60679186
It also helps to have a firewall. You know, the kind inside almost every router. Home users are already under excellent protection, as long as you don't download sexvideo.avi.exe and use adblock you're better off than most corporate customers.

>>60674084
is this supposed to be a poem or something

>>60678542
>he prefers being spied on so he can play his good goy distractions
Almost every good game works just fine on Linux or through Wine, and only a few require you to compile them yourself, like Cataclysm DDA.

>>60677841
>it's okay if they spy on me, they let me change some options
You're such a fucking faggot.

>>60679042
You CAN'T disable all telemetry, that's the point. You can disable some or most of it, but it's impossible to completely shut it down, it's built into the OS itself.

>>60679423
>just compile them yourself! :o)
>just build and optimize the game yourself
>with no sli
>and when you try to use your second GPU everything fucks up and flickers acting weirdly
>games with enthusiastic and official loonix support still run like shit compared to windows (8.1) on the same hardware
hmmmm

>>60679474
>built into the OS itself
At the kernel level. It's what allows it to bypass hosts and even establish reverse connections to get past external firewalls.

>>60679491
If you're that concerned about muh games then just have a dual boot, with windows for games and linux for everything else.

>>60674181
>The operating system also displays annoying nags when you try to run unsigned software from the internet. Masked as a "security" feature, Microsoft obviously do this to incentize you to use their app store.
It's been there since fucking Vista.

>>60673929
>is 7 even better than 10 aside from less bloatware and spyware?

No. 10 is far smoother and snappier

>>60679516
>linux totally works for gaming guys
>it all runs just as good as Windows!
>flickering and shit performance abound
>uh, well just dual boot windows for gaming whatever

I bet if I pressed this you would call me a fag and manchild for playing video games (which I hardly do anymore). I seriously seen some linux gaming channel trying to prove that linux is just as good for gaming yet even in his fucking video the screen was flickering due to SLI or something. "Yeah, uh, I don't know why that happens heheh...."

>>60679518
And? It's still bullshit. Microsoft has embraced everything I hated about Apple.

>>60679538
lolno, quite the opposite.

>>60679567
Are you stupid or what? I straight up said Linux isn't as good for gaming as Windows, and if that's an issue you should set up a dual boot. It's not hard to do.

>>60679573
Windows 10 ltsb is faster than any version of Windows 7

>>60679567
You can play most games just fine on Linux, it's only newer shit that has issues sometimes.

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>>60679384
Kek'd

Having used win10 for a while now, I don't recommend it. Unless you're willing to spend a shitton of time on deleting/disabling a fuckton of things, your pc will be slow af and performance on games will drop.
Win7 is the better choice.

>>60679631
Even if you disable all the options and get into editing the registry to disable the bullshit, it's still impossible to disable all the bullshit.

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>>60679587
I FUCKING SAID I tried steamos. It's supposed to run dota faster than windos. IT FUCKING DOESNT JUST BECQUSE I DONT HAVE FLAGSHIP HARDWARE.

>>60679720

even if you did disable all the bullshit hardware is still full of spyware nowadays, its impossible to avoid it regardless of OS if you use intel or amd stuff

>>60679818
forced updates with option to delay by 1 year

>>60679818
Yep, there are backdoors built into hardware these days, regardless of what OS you're using. It's become a regular "incident" for shipments of motherboards and the like to be intercepted by the NSA and friends.

>>60679601
I'm dual booting LTSB2016 and 7SP1 on a PC with a 3770k, 32GB G.Skill, Intel 530 240GB SSD and a Titan X Pascal. Windows 10 is slower in every single task and benchmark when compared to 7. Both installations are up to date.

>>60678998
>I'm a developer and it crashes every week for me
I'm a dev and I've seen a BSoD on Win10 literally once.

>>60678699
This, works pretty much flawlessly for me compared to any other version.