Why doesn't Hiroshimoot switch to webp? Think of all the

>>60661988
Does the world really need another loss format in 2017? In the age were file size isn't an issue

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>>60661988

Because he is japanese, a nation that mostly uses iOS. His iphone couldn't display webp.

if 4chan adopted webp, everyone else would follow. i remember the web before moot added webm.

>>60662068
Bandwith is an issue with 4chan. By promoting more efficient formats, like WebP and VP9, 4chan could cut on max file size and save bandwith.

The most image and bandwidth intensive boards are porn bords, which won't accept shit quality

>>60661988
WEBM VP9 when. That would be a money saver

>>60662159
Smaller filesize doesn't mean shittier quality with more efficient encoding standards. Your argument is flawed because of that.

>>60662108
dis
Japan just can't into technology.

>>60662068
t. /v/irgin posting 4MB Untitled.png-s

>>60661988
>Storing images as video files
Anon please.

in newpipe webm or mp4 saves bandwidth?

>>60661988
Petition to jackie 4chan not some fucks on /g/ who have no say in the matter.

>>60662303
>webp
>video
gb2/v/

>>60661988
I hate that idea. As if .WEBM hasn't caused enough confusion and butthurt. At least it really does something compared to the shit stack that is .GIF. That being said, just stick to what you already have here. Big improvements for your autistic ass, not 4chan as a whole.

Google released a JPEG library that creates files that are 30% smaller with the same visual quality. Not quite as good as WebP but 100% backward compatible with everything that can read JPEG, so there's that.

>>60662221
webp is not more efficient encoding. It is shittier quality. Your argument is not flawed but the premises you base it upon are flawed because of that.

>>60662288
The point is PNG is also inefficient, it's also an old format - a newer Lossless format could solve the the problems of bandwidth too...

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>>60662407
4chan gets to live another day without bandwith eating away at the budget.
I think that's a better outcome than reduced compatibility for legacy dumbphones.

>>60662445
>webp is not more efficient encoding. It is shittier quality

Factually false. See attached image.

>>60662482
flif?

>>60662544
I meant that while it is more efficient encoding, it is also a shittier image quality.

>>60662576
>I meant that while it is more efficient encoding, it is also a shittier image quality.
Factually false.

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4chan is always behind the times when it comes to tech

it took years to get webm

>>60662590
But it's not. If you just look at OP you can see that, and if you actually do a side by side comparison instead of just trusting that pic, you can see it even moreso

>>60662108
that sounds perfect
we minimize file sizes and lose the ifags
two for one bandwidth saving deal

>>60662544
>He actually thinks there are budget problems
Stop drinking the kool-aid

>>60662482
compatibility reigns king
the amount of software that would have to be switched over
with free software of course this isn't such a problem but with proprietary shit good luck

>>60662654
>it's his first year on 4chan
4chan has been having money problems through the years. Even then, there's nothing bad to save money with more efficient formats in place.

>>60662656
iirc H264 can do a lossless mode and can definitely do 4:4:4.
If VP8/VP9 can do the same, we could just use that in lossless instead of lossy (or allow both?)

>>60662622
don't forget 256colors max vs. hi10p.

>>60662717

Donate or Die was a mistake.

>still no VP9

>>60662622
4chan was one of the first places to use webm instead of gifs m88.

reddit users were stunned and started to incorporate it into their various image hosts later, mostly fucking it up by obfuscating with '.gifv' bullshit and forced JS players.

>>60662788
Yeah and without sound for a while because muh screamers and technically an image board muh videos so moot was single handedly responsible for the proliferation of soundless versions of webms.

>>60661988
>Think of all the bandwidth he could save
Going back to 1-1.5MB upload limit for most boards seems like a better solution.

It would also greatly improve the experience.

>>60661988
>4chan switches to webp
>My entire collection of smug anime girls and pepes totaling in at over 10,000 images are all in jpeg

He wouldn't dare

>>60663114
Reducing file size limits must be coupled with adoption of more efficient file formats so that existing content could be preserved of at least similar quality.
Cutting upload size in half means many VP8 webms won't have a place without destroying the quality considerably. VP9 could save them.

Between 1.5-1.8 could be better when the more efficient alternative formats aren't exatly 200% more efficient.

>>60662173
This takes forever to encode, damn.

>>60662146
>Bandwith is an issue with 4chan.
Proof? As I thought, you have nothing.

>>60661988
>Think of all the bandwidth he could save
He wouldn't save much. Every time something new comes out for computers that can do shit faster or handle more data, people just find ways to increase their inefficiency accordingly which just turns all advances into stupid RPG scaling bullshit. I see no purpose in continuing to support that, so I say just stick with what has worked and stop pushing every new format/technology everywhere as soon as it comes out.

>>60663246
Batch conversion is easy.

>>60663310
>is.
>is2.

>>60662146
>Bandwith is an issue with 4chan
source?

>>60661988
No one cares about your limited data allowance fag

>>60663296
Not with a Ryzen.

The problem is we all have fast internet and will upload 2mb images because we can

>>60662788
> obfuscating with '.gifv' bullshit and forced JS players.
Hate this shit so much

>>60663270
>Cutting upload size in half means many VP8 webms won't have a place without destroying the quality considerably.
Good. It's an imageboard not a fucking videoboard.

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>>60663969
If it's an imageboard why aren't you using images? Check mate textfags.

>>60661988
We need .webms with sound on every board.

why doesn't he add raw support for /p/?

>>60661988
the autists on this board would personally go out and cut him if he were to do something like converting PNG or 90+ JPGs to webp in order to "save bandwidth"
the best he can hope to save is a few bytes off every single thumbnail, no more

i mean, on mobile there is a smaller "m" version for large images and i absolutely hate and despise that shit, and I bet some other people do too

>>60662068
we need another everything as long as the de facto standard is a proprietary/patented/copyrighted/etc garbage, until free and open software becomes the standard in its place.

Free audio formats are slowly starting to displace mp3 even on large websites, so we've proven it can be done.

>>60664853
oph th′selve

>>60662108
>server costs down
>less phone posters
That sounds like a win-win.

>>60661988
>using a jpg to store image quality comparisons
>this is the current state of jewggle shills
hahahahaha kys


but seriously kys

>>60665555
ouch, i can feel the feel of the shill's soul in my soul

>>60662068
>live in the age of the smart phone
>"file size isn't an issue"
Fucking retards I swear

>>60663361
No it ain't nigga. I've been trying to batch convert all my porn to hevc and it fucks up every single time and every suggestion I get is to use ffmpeg but I don't know how to write in command line especially with all the fucking settings I'd have to make.

tl;dr It's not easy at all.

jewpg

because no one gives a shit about your special snowflake format if no one else is using it/supports it.

>>60662303
He said webp not webm

>>60664853
All patents on mp3 compression run out by the end of this year and Fraunhofer Society dropped all licensing programs in order to focus on modern compression tech... it's de facto free now

>>60661988
The whole image board needs to be revamped but it costs money to do that. I can't be the only one who hates this early 2000s design

>>60661988
apng when

>>60666763
This board's design is better than the majority of the shit being made and praised today. Add 4chanX and Oneechan to that and it's the best forum-type system I have ever seen.

>>60665735
>tfw I copypasted a script for batch converting avi to mp4 using ffmpeg and change a few variables and replaced ffmpeg with opusenc to convert my flac collection to opus

Must suck being too much of a brainlet to even be script kiddie

>>60666717
Which is why we need to move on to the next proprietary hype train.

>>60665735
Literally

ffmpeg porn.avi -c:v libx265 -c:a copy -x265-params crf=20 superporn.avi 

>>60662068
Most of the world computes on potato-based hardware.

Someone in india will only own one device, and it will probably be a shitty off-brand android. Raspberry Pis themselves are advertised for being great for places where you might not have the power to run a full scale desktop, like classrooms in bumfuck africa. Old games like the original counter strike are full of romanians and Brazilians because that's what their hardware will run.

also- what >>60664853 said. More open source needed for fucking everything before we all die.

>>60666763

plsno.

our mobile users already suffer enough without some graphic design student with no concept of either style or band with shitting some upworthy-inspired animated interface all over the site.

it works. its fine. Install your own damn extensions if it bothers you, you dolt.

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>our mobile users already suffer enough

>>60665735
It's easy as shit, I literally just did this with all my old fraps footage. You can get away with ffmpeg alone but I'm a tryhard that uses nero aac, I should be using x265 raw too but I forget why I didn't.

Here's the script that took all of 2 minutes to write to recursively process half a terabyte of lagarith|pcm footage into loseless h265|aac.

Get-ChildItem -File -filter "*.avi" | 
ForEach-Object {
    $videoStream = $_.BaseName+".h265"
    $audioStream = $_.BaseName+".aac"
    $audioTemp = $_.BaseName+".wav"
    $mediaFile = $_.BaseName+".mp4"

    ffmpeg -i $_.FullName -vn $audioTemp
    neroAacEnc -if $audioTemp -of $audioStream
    Remove-Item $audioTemp
    ffmpeg -i $_.FullName -vcodec libx265 -preset veryslow -x265-params crf=0:pools=4 -an $videoStream
    ffmpeg -fflags +genpts -i $videoStream -i $audioStream -codec copy $mediaFile
    Remove-Item $videoStream, $audioStream

    If ((Test-Path $mediaFile) -And (Get-Item $mediaFile).Length -ne 0) {
        Remove-Item $_.FullName
    }

    #Start-Sleep -Seconds 420 # Best effort to avoid destroying the CPU
    Start-Sleep -Seconds 120 # Best effort to avoid destroying the CPU; reduce wait when pools = less than 50%

>>60662068
>were file size isn't an issue
4chan is slow as fuck lately

Who remembers the webp guy who would reply to all images with a well compressed webm/webp version?

Someone should start that shit again

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you could at least post examples of quality and maybe even some examples of encoding times and shit

>>60666763
The design keeps normies away.

>>60666763
This style is fucking golden

go fuck yourself

>>60662085
/thread

>>60661988
Is this the .opus of image formats?

>>60666763
I seriously hope your not using this website without 4chan x or clover.

bandwith is important in thirdworld countries such as australia

>>60667564
There's already numerous facebookfucktards in this board, it's not keeping anyone away.

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>>60666975
>keeping poos and niggers out of 4chan
I don't see the problem.

>>60662622
Is this real? That's amazing. Is there a catch?

>>60662544
It can't do 4:4:4

>>60663246
Allow uploads in jpg

But convert it server side to webp

The servers are already doing some server side conversion by removing exif data

>>60666791
APNGs used to be allowed (or not blocked anyway) until moot blocked them because of some bullshit "hurr durr it helps hide CP or spam" or some other bullshit excuse

>>60661988
Still waiting for jpeg2000 widespread support anon

>>60662146
>>60663372
Fucking summer

>>60663310
>>60663372
http://blog.4chan.org/post/152411853897/4chan-bandwidth-was-3pb-last-month-4chan-doesnt

Don't you remember all the times 4chan was slow as shit or just flat out broke because of excessive bandwidth usage?

>>60661988
Maybe you could try not living in a shithole of a country, you fucking Australian.

>>60662146
>Bandwith is an issue with Australia
FTFY

>>60662654
>not knowing it's just a butthurt faggot from Australia

>>60663114
>It would also greatly improve the experience.
Ausfailia cuck detected.

Ya know why he doesn't do it? Because he's a fucking liar, he lied about bandwidth usage.
No one ever brings that up, yet it's true. Fuck that gook cunt.

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>>60661988
Here, I fixed your image's file size for you OP. The original lossy jpg compression resulted in a file size that was inadequately small.

>>60663389
Except that you can only use a single core.

>>60668424
yes it's real. No there's no catch

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>>60667681
You seem upset, friend :^)

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Why are we still using VP8 instead of VP9, which is much better?

https://blogs.gnome.org/rbultje/2014/02/22/the-worlds-fastest-vp9-decoder-ffvp9/

>ffvp9 beats libvpx consistently by 25-50%. In practice, this means that typical middle- to high-end hardware will be able to playback 4K content using ffvp9, but not using libvpx. Low-end hardware will struggle to playback even 720p content using libvpx (but do so fine using ffvp9).

>>60671245
Any job is easy for the man who doesn't have to do it.

>>60671245
h.264 would be even better.

>>60666763
It's fantastic. The simplicity is beautiful. I hate complex webpages.