http://www.anandtech.com/show/11464 /intel-announces-skylake

Anandtec stop spamming g you fayherfucking faggot
We know ur a shill
We know ur a pajeeth

Gaymers are the cancer of this board.

>>60655219
>2 extra cores for $800 more
>less PCI-E lanes
>higher TDP
>toothpaste between die and IHS
>lower clockspeeds
Enjoy

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>18c36t
>semen TIM
>2.9GHz
INVEST ONLY $2099 AND REAP THE REWARDS OF DENIABLE ARSON
INTEL REVOLUTIONIZING THE INSURANCE FRAUD INDUSTRY
GOD BLESS AMERICA
GOD BLESS ISRAEL

>>60655632
>less PCI-E lanes
isn't it the same 44 lanes they've always had?

>>60655782
Those points were compared to Threadripper.

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>Not soldered
>CPU for $2000 is not soldered

LITERALLY CAN'T FUCKING MAKE THIS SHIT UP

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/intel_s_skylake-x_and_kaby_lake-x_cpus_will_not_be_soldered/1

>>60655794
oh ok makes sense then

Why wouldn't you buy Threadripped instead?

>More PCI-E lanes
>Actually soldered IHS so lower temperatures
>X399 has more and faster I/O so more and faster USB ports, SATA ports etc. compared to X299
>Lower IPC but also much lower price

>>60655817
I would
but my 5960x is still good enough for pretty much everything

I finally understand why so many people want AMD to be doing well. I think they're both shitty companies now, don't get me wrong. Intel are jews and AMD are poo in loos. So you have to choose between satan and the devil. But at least AMD has competitive pricing for 80% of the performance of an Intel CPU.

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>buying rypoo
https://valid.x86.fr/gh9ifj

>>60655898
>running L2N 24/7

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>>60655880
>Intel are jews and AMD are poo in loos.
Is that what you believe?

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>>60655898
Ok?

Beaten at your own game.

>>60655918
Yes. Intel are jews and AMD are poo in loos. They're both scum of the earth.

>>60655898
>>60655927
Intel blown the fuck out, wow...

>>60655933
So from which white company should i buy my product from?

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>>60655796
jesus fuck

>>60655843
This is the only proper reason not to buy Ryzen

>>60655219
>$2099

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>>60655796
You guys are fucking retarded. They are a company and in order to run they need to cut costs. This is a relatively expensive product to produce, and switching to TIM easily saves them upwards of 20 bucks per unit. Do you know how much money that is? 100,000 units x $20 = 2 MILLION dollars. That easily covers the salary of 250 workers a year in Asian based factories. They have that right. Consumers like yourself are downright greedy, pitching a fit over 20C and a measly 500 MHz.

Go fuck yourself.

>>60655796
They heat up so much they solder themselves

>>60656527
>the all out enthusiast platform is cutting costs
>you guys are greedy

Man Intel's pay must be good
How do I apply Rajesh
I need the cash

I need help with hacking a phone

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>>60656574

kek

>>60656590
1) get your own thread
2) Give it back Tyrone

>>60656527
Yeah right, they're just doing it to try and save xeon sales being eaten by them. Clever way to make 2 cpus with identical specs but somehow make one perform better.

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>>60655796

>>60655632
hhahahahaha wtf Intel is fucked

>>60655219
Funny thing is AMD can easily add another 8 core CCX to make a 24 core consumer processor. This Intel processor is some shitty rebranded server processor with cores welded off cause it failed quality control.

The yield rates on these Intel processors will be absurdly bad, cause they have to get all the cores printed perfect on one die, whereas AMD can just print a bunch of smaller 8 core CCXs and joint them together, so it's infinitely scalable.

>>60655617
I'm afraid this board is cancer itself...

>>60656663
It only scales well up to 32 I think, for now. Later 48+ will be possible.

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>>60655219
7820X vs 1800X

>>60656527
>They are a company and in order to run they need to cut costs.

Is that why you can get a Ryzen 1800X that competes with an Intel 6950X for one third of the cost ($500 vs $1500)?

Intel are massive Jews that rip everyone off. AMD has finally bent them over and fucked them in the ass. They won't be recovering for a long time.

>>60655219
BURN IT ALL DOWN

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>>60656527
Yes, good goy! Intel is a great and moral company, only thinking of the consumer!

>>60656663
You realize Threadripper is failed Epyc/Naples, right? AMD does the same thing as Intel.

>>60655796
INTEL HOUSE FIRES INCOMING

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>>60655796
What were they thinking

>>60655796
Soldered CPUs are botnet.

>>60656527
tfw they took the bait

>>60656704
No they aren't. AMD processors are 8 core CCXs welding together. so the 16 core threadripper is two perfect CCXs welded together.

This makes it much easier to scale up, they can just add another CCX. They don't have to print one giant 16 core processor in one go, like Intel do, so they have much higher yield rates and their processors are much cheaper to produce.

>>60656663
Intel only care about having their equivalent core count processors beat AMDs, even if they're significantly more expensive, just so they can say that their stuff is still the "best", which will attract customers to buy their 18 core monsters

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>>60656527

>>60656704
EpyC/Naples should be binned better than threadripper.

1800X 4.0ghz 1.408v
1700X 4.0ghz 1.424v
1700 4.0ghz 1.440v

>>60656734
>Intel only care about having their equivalent core count processors beat AMDs

AMD will just come out with a 24 core and it will be more powerful than Intel's, and cheaper. Intel can't scale up though.

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>>60656689
Oh and 7960X vs the top shelf Threadripper
It's gonna be a good year for benchmarks
My body is motherfucking ready

>>60655219
http://hwbot.org/newsflash/4545_intel_x299_launch_8_world_records_and_23_global_first_places

VI Apex is out! Where's the X370 version?

>>60656832
Bitspower actually mentioned a Crosshair Extreme in a post on facebook

amd supporters all up in this thread. fuck off back to /amd/

>>60655796
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAA

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lol fucking poorfags who can't overclock.

calling it now, it'll cost at least $500 more than the 16 core AMD cpu and will offer a minimal performance lead over it

>>60656832
Here's a video where the guy who holds some of those records delids Skylake-X because no solder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCv7hF7kepU

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>>60656896
Sorry

>>60656894
Anandtech suggests an MSRP of $1700 for the 16c/32t 7960X

Only $200 a core

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>>60657008
>$1700
If the lower-binned 16c Rippers start at $1K then AMD will basically be disemboweling Intel live on stage tomorrow.

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>>60656730
>print
Ryzen is 3d printed wut

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>>60656832
Holy shit.

>>60656896
>Delidding a $2000 CPU

What the fuck.

>>60657156
>Everyone's using the Rampage VI Apex and G.Skill Trident Z

>>60657156
Hmm, does this mean that Germany is best at heating up Intel platforms?

>>60656611
Fuck you. I found it in a guy pocket on the street. Now is mine, is the law.

>>60657064
Yup. What a time to be alive

>>60657173
Well Der8auer is sponsored, so I don't think he cares

But the fact that someone prototyped a delidding tool and plan to put it into production speaks volumes

>>60655796
Gonna play devil's advocate here and say that's just the 6 core model that has Jew Jizz Inside(tm). It's possible the "premium" HEDT models are soldered.

>>60657414
I'm still hoping something like that will come up but it just doesn't seem that way

>>60657173
Infinite jew works. It's like getting an Android phone and rooting it - basically a requirement at this point.

>>60655219
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-x-series-skylake-x-kaby-lake-x-x299-basin-falls-core-i9,34545.html

>The LGA2066 socket is compatible with LGA2011 cooling solutions, which is a plus. However, Intel now recommends water cooling as the minimum cooling option, which will add more cost to the overall solution.


>However, Intel now recommends water cooling as the minimum cooling option,
>minimum cooling option
>minimum

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>>60657765
>Intel now recommends water cooling as the minimum cooling option
>which will add more cost to the overall solution.

>>60657839
WHAT ARE YOU POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRR

>>60656527
$20 is amount of money to spend on better cooler with same noise.

If they wanted to save that much they could take off spreader alltogether.

>>60656241
ARM - oh wait, they were sold to Japan.

>>60657960
honorary Aryans

>>60655647
KEK
Underrated post

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>>60657427
Well I just looked at the comments on the Youtube video and, yeah .. seems he's convinced or has evidence they're all jizzed on. RIP. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCv7hF7kepU

>>60657360
>But the fact that someone prototyped a delidding tool and plan to put it into production speaks volumes
The moment he brought that torture device looking piece of shit on screen, the only thing I was thinking was "This is it for Intel."

>>60656527
Nice b8 buddy, amd friends are sure retarded as fuck.

>>60657235
> Hmm, does this mean that Germany is best at heating up Intel platforms?

No, Germans are best at heating up the oven.

>>60656689
This the only thing that will matter. If intel fucks up the pricing there and the cpu won't be significantly more powerful, people will simply go for AMD. The consumer marked couldn't give any less shit about more than 8 cores anway.

>>60658293
KEK

>>60655219
DUCKTAPPED HOUSEFIRES

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>>60655219
>DOAlake-X
LMAO

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>>60655898

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>>60656527
Gas yourself :^)

>>60658287 (You)

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>>60656704
>Being this retarded

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>>60656712
Intel has gone FULL RETARD

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>>60656704
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-ryzen-14nm-wafer-yields-pass-80-threadripper-cpus-on-track.html

lol.

>>60656527
>$2 PCB
>$40 worth of high quality silicon
>All the costs are in hypothetical "R&D" for the chip
>"THEY CANT USE $2 OF SOLDER, THAT WOULD COST TOO MUCH ON A $2000+ CHIP!!!!1!!1!"

>>60655796

"We can't solder our chips goyim because the dies are too small! Here's some 'research' our "engineers" did that proves it!"

> Comes out with chips with a bigger die/die as big as already soldered chips

"Soldering is bad! Didn't you know that toothpaste is the ultimate TIM? Stupid goy, please buy these CPUs."

t. Intel

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>>60658838
I mean I get that there is jo excuse for not soldering the cpus.

But quit your bait, we know those are not the real costs of cou components.

9n silicon is much more expensive, and takes a while to make

>>60655219
lol this lineup doesn't even compete with ryzen
>8 core part
>$100 more than the top R7 chip
>55W higher TDP
>same base clock
>platform will cost at least 100s more
intel wtf are you doing

>18 core part
> unknown housefire TDP
> $2000

>>60656704

Threadripper and Epyc are made up of 8 core Zeppelin dies put together on an interposer and infinity fabric. They have a 80% yield on fully functional dies.
AMD I think will segment each core count chip into two SKUs. One that has dies that have been binned for maximum power efficiency while the other has dies binned for maximum clocks at reasonable voltages/temps. So something like 16c w/ 3.0ghz base and 3.6ghz boost for super low power around ~130W TDP. Then there could be a 16c w/ 3.6ghz base and 4.0ghz boost @ 180w TDP.

>>60658983
>Then there could be a 16c w/ 3.6ghz base and 4.0ghz boost @ 180w TDP.

Intel literally preparing automated external defibrillator

>>60658855
We already knew their old excuse was bullshit because they'd soldered smaller chips before.

>>60655647

It is a "rejected" server-grade Xeon chip. 18-core is stupid for HEDT market. You go with 16/12 cores at most. 8-10 cores are more ideal because of "Megahurtz" matters more with HEDT workloads when are dealing with 8-10 cores and adding mores yields little returns.

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>>60657765
my god am I watching history repeat itself

>>60658965
The "Expensive Edition" is at least 180TDP with watercooling "recommended at a minimum".

>>60659108

That's only for XE i9s which are server-grade "Skylake-X Xeon" rejects.

Most of the i7-i9 Skylake-X line-up (8-12 cores) will have more sane cooling requirements.

>>60658913
>But quit your bait, we know those are not the real costs of cou components.
It's actually very, very close.

>>60659143
Depends on clocks, a 12 core at 3.4GHz will use more power than 18 core at 2.8GHz

I guarantee it.

>>60658965

Intel marketing is just being arrogent and stupid.

They think the Core brand holds enough weight and carries over to HEDT market (Protip: it doesn't).

i9 family is going to have a hell of a time selling unless Intel cuts prices (AMD is going to undercut them badly with Threadripper)

i7-7800 and i7-7820 are only SKUs that make sense.

>>60655219
Wow a 2000$ cpu from intel! AMD most surely be on suicide wotch. Haha. With this is uncompetable, rigth?.

>>60655219
so is the I9 just a renamed I7 extreme?

>>60659170

That 18 core Skylake-X chip at 2.8Ghz would have been sold as "Xeon" rather than XE chip (clocked to 3.2Ghz).

I have a feeling that intel will be the new apple
Expensive non sense which only shitheads end up buying

Are people so sure that the 18 core i9s will be clocked so much lower that the equivalent top end threadripper that there won't be much of a performance gap? Intel can probably squeeze out a 5-10% IPC improvement since they clearly don't care about keeping TDP down

>>60659204
Xeon chips go up to 205W, Skylake-X is 165W

Big difference, hence lower clocks.

>>60659239
>Intel can probably squeeze out a 5-10% IPC
Only for loops that fir in larger L2. And it would also retroactively benefit Zen.

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>>60659239
>Intel can probably squeeze out a 5-10% IPC
Out of a 10 years old architecture where they already improved near as much as they could?

>>60659239
Look at the 12 core.. it's 3.3 base clock, that's already lower than 3.5/3.6GHz base clock of threadripper.

And that's 6 cores less.
Their Skylake Xeon 18 core is also clocked around 2.7GHz

So unless they want literal housefires, they won't go crazy on those clocks.
Also as for IPC, see
https://i.4cdn.org/g/1496150956502.jpg

Which the 10 core Skylake-X is only 10% faster than Broadwell-E 10 core, mostly due to 10% higher clocks.
Barely any IPC difference unless the code fits into the L2, most case it doesn't.

>>60659239

And AMD can release a 24 or 32 core monster and take Intel outback behind the shed. Infinity fabric is great isnt it? Just stick another die on there and call it a day :^)

>>60659239
Intel doesn't have Infinity Fabric, intel is fucked

>>60659239
>Intel can probably squeeze out a 5-10% IPC improvement since they clearly don't care about keeping TDP down
But are they unlocked?
Everything Zen is ready to go head to head. Considering they're $1000+ cpu's. Judging them solely on box clocks isn't the be all and end all.
Then there's power draw, and heat.
Power isn't cheap anymore. Heat you can somewhat get away with given what setting these should be mostly used in.

From figures mentioned. It's looking really bad for intel.
No one in their right mind will throw that much money at a CPU and cooler, as well as monthly power bills being +$100ish for a few percentage points of performance gains over the other option. It would have to be some seriously time constrained work, or extremity profitable to mitigate this.

>>60659239
It's going to be 2.8 GHz base, tops. 16 core Threadripper at 3.6 GHz will shit all over it.

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>>60659371
Not to mention Threadripper will have a lower TDP and be significantly easier to keep cool due to the seperate dies, soldered IHS, etc.

Pic related is Epyc, Threadripper is only two dies, but you get the idea.

>>60659108
The only thing that would make this better is if the codename started with "P".

>>60659193
No, it's renamed xeons with parts cut off and toothpaste TIM instead of solder

>>60657427
kek, Keep Hoping™

>>60657765
liquid nitrogen mandatory for overclocking

Intel getting a Collusion Lawsuit because of their collaboration with Fire Insurance Companies soon?