When are you MAN-BUN wearing NORMIE FUCKS going to accept that

>>60636363
+0.0007 sheckles have been despoited in your shill acount. Thank you goy.

Comcast holds a monopoly in some areas of the nation. This is the fault of state and local governments, though, by preventing competition with legislature.

>>60636392
You're the fucking good goy for believing the communist lies.

>>60636395
>he still thinks there is a real difference between parts of the military industrial complex

>>60636363
>paying for different kinds of traffic
1/10 because it made me reply

Now it costs 10$ to shitpost on 4chan for 3 days! Buy now!

>>60636400
Yes yes goy. Give my company control over what you can do with your internet.

>>60636449
I'd rather have the option to switch companies than have the government regulate what I can do with the internet.

>le magic government will take care of me

>>60636458
Its not a regulation of what you can do it a regulation that stops the company from telling you what you can do.

>>60636458
99% of normies wouldn't care or notice the difference thus not producing enough demand to incentive ISP's to not censor and throttle traffic.

>le magic invisble hand of the the le market will take care of me

>>60636475
>>60636494
If you hate freedom so much, why don't you move to somewhere cucked like Germany?

The power of marketing. Fairness and neutrality has been recast as communism and cuckoldry.

>>60636530
>corparate tyranny is freedom

>>60636530
Whose freedom do I hate?
ISP's freedom to jew me out?
Yes, I hate it.
But I love my freedom to have an equal access to all resources of the Internet.
It's YOU who hates MY freedom.
GET OUT OF AMERICA
YOU DON'T EVEN DESERVE TO BE AMERICAN

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>a verizon lawyer and lobbyist becomes a government official
>has the public interest in mind

kys

also he's a pajeet I hope someone brains him

>>60636363
Not to encourage OPs autism, but he's got a point
We need to draw a distinction between two issues (both of which I think are okay, first due to engineering judgement and second because I'm a full-retard hoppean ancap)
> priority route
Insisting all packets are routed equally is stupid. Emails shouldn't get the same priority as your live webcam shows, or stock information. Steaming and live stuff usually gets prioritized (AFAIK)
> Throttling and paying
I'll be interested to see how a free market solves this problem, to be honest. Why not at least try it for a few years and see if it's even a bad idea in practice? You could always regulate it then. I think it should also come with deregulating the ISPs market though to lower the barrier to entry.

>>60636637
>Why not at least try it for a few years and see if it's even a bad idea in practice?
I dislike government regulation... of my car speed. Let us try doing without traffic lights for a few years and see if it's a bad idea in practice?

>>60636363
both sides of the argument sound shitty. why can't our internet just be left the fuck alone

>>60636666
You want me to make the ancap case for privatized roads and no traffic laws? It's not really the topic of the thread, but it's well reasoned.

>>60636579
But you're the one advocating for infringing on other people's rights, you fucking sicko.

>>60636760
Corparations are not people.

>>60636698
this
>>60636773
Corporations are controlled by people, and those people have rights.

>>60636680
As in left as it currently is?

>>60636363
>teh invesable hand will protegt me!

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>>60636818
>not having any arguments but a strawman

>>60636760
THEY INFRINGE MY RIGHT TO BE FREE FROM FRAUD

>>60636826
I'm not sure what you mean by this. I'm willing to have a serious conversation about human rights, but screaming and strawmanning won't get us there.

>>60636835
IF YOU WANTED TO YOU'D WRITE A NORMAL OP POST.
BUT NO, IT'S ALL COMMUNISTS WHO WANT TO BE FREE, AND Y'KNOW WHAT?
Y'AIN'T GETTING MY RIGHTS FROM ME, EAT SHIT

>>60636826
lol
and you expect the GOVERNMENT to protect you from fraud???
open your eyes, cuckboy

>>60636882
The day of the rope cometh.

>>60636882
I'm not the fucking OP dude what the fuck is wrong with you

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>>60636363
>Trump fanboys are such cucks that they'll convince themselves that getting fucked over and losing rights is good

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>>60636933
>Shilltards thinking that the government regulating the internet is good

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>>60636955
Yeah, goy! Big business is our friend

>>60636773
But they are legal persons and for very good reasons
Who do you sue when they fuck up?
Who owns all the computers?
You need a legal entity for all that shit

>>60636818
It was a fucking metaphor 250 years ago, not a reference to anything real

>>60636363
kys trumpcuck

>>60636955
the gov is about 2 be regulating the internet and controlling what we see and how much it costs 2 see it.

>>60637057
no shit?

>>60637104
Just look up the quote from Adam Smith my dude

The amount of corporate ass-kissing I've witnessed on /g/ is astounding.

It's like some people WANT to defend their right to be exploited by corporations. Stockholm syndrome too strong.

>>60637192
>i don't have a solidified moral system that is centered on the rights of individuals to life, liberty, and property

Sad!

>>60637204
Case in point. You are like a battered wife.

>>60637219
Great argument. What is admitting that you're actually evil like?

>>60637233
You have no idea what you're talking about. Literally arguing semantics while greedy corporations that nickle-and-dime you attempt to buy politicians. Nice freedom

>>60637192
When i go in the store and purchase a product, i was exploited by nobody
Unlike when people get thrown in gulag.
Do you want to protect people from exploitation, or give corps the shaft?
From what I've seen, attempts to "defend" the public usually end with a corp getting undue influence or a monopoly and a politician lining their pockets.
Isnt it better to create a climate where exploiting would be hard and disincentivised by the public and healthy competition?

>I want the government to regulate all aspects of my life
gg no re

>>60636395
I am truly baffled that someone on /g/ actually understands the problem.

>>60637248
>be me
>have a master's in Philosophy
>be told I don't know things about philisophy/ethics by a 17 year old commie on 4chan

[crying laughing emoji]

>>60637233

Lol. This is some grade A bait.

>>60637271
Thanks dad. The keynesians and commies will get the rope soon enough.

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>>60637248
Found the liberal shill.

Grow up. Get a job.

>>60637272
>philosophy

>be you
>finish my day of being a wagecuck barista
>tip Starbucks for letting you work
>go home to defend telecom giants

This shit literally writes itself

>>60636395
This. Pole attach rules and other bullshit makes it borderline impossible to start up an ISP in the US.

I'd rather have no net neutrality and have all the red tape meet its day of the rope.

>>60637302
I own a sysadmin business that contracts with local businesses.

The ad-hom was cute though. Just because I have a master's in Philosophy doesn't mean I can't get an unrelated job. I went to school on my own earned money and learned about what I cared about.

>>60637271

It doesn't go far enough.

The reason government allows the regulation to favor telecom giants like this is because of corporate influence on our government officials.

Blaming government is like blaming cancer patients for allowing themselves to get cancer.

>>60637324
>philosophy
The humanities majors will be first on the day of the rope.

>>60637334
I can't tell if this is serious or not.

You're saying businesses are at fault for government being fucking garbage getting influenced?

Are you ACTUALLY fucking retarded?

>>60637192
you are on nu-4chan, what did you expect? the biggest board /pol/ isnt a containment board for a few good years now. it attracts right wing redditors (corporation worshippers) and they start infesting other boards too. the only places i rarely see /pol/tards are in /lit/ and /mu/

>>60637314
>I'd rather have no net neutrality and have all the red tape meet its day of the rope.
Will abolishing net neutrality also come with a side order of ending current ISP hegemony?

...or are we getting rid of customer rights while the ISPs maintain their rule?

Let me spin it OP-style:

These commie libcuck ISPs are trying to steal the the brave freedom-loving net neutrality of the American people! The day of the rope cannot come soon enough for these blue-haired liberal-arts ISPs! We uphold the CONSTITUTION of the USA in one hand, and net neutrality in the other hand, and hold a machine gun in the third hand! You will need to pry my American net neutrality from my cold dead hands, you commie ISP cucks!

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>>60637383

>>60637351
Says the fucking Communist.
>>60637383
Are you kidding? There's a reason that one side is commie/lib and the other isn't. You can't just call something commie as if it's a catch-all. It's a specific descriptor.

>>60637382
I've been on this board for 10 god-forsaken years and the discussion around net neutrality was exactly like it is now, except with a lot less HURR YOU ALT-RIGHT FUCKTARD and HURR YOU DUMBASS LIBSHITS being thrown around.
Quit blaming the boogeyman.

>>60637382
lol...
/pol/ was always on 4chan, and 4chan was always right wing

>>60637405
Haha, found the commie libcuck who wants to regulate the internet by abolishing the All-American freedom net neutrality bravery of the USA!

Go and perform fellatio on the communist ISPs, you commie libcuck!

Brave freedom-loving Americans will defend their right to net neutrality! Commies get OUT!

>>60637355

I'm sorry?

K street lobbyists aren't a significant issue with modern politics?

Are you trying to argue this position in a serious manner?

>>60637439
You're strawmanning the wrong position. I'm an ancap, so I hate the American government as well and don't care about identity politics.

>>60637456
"businesses are able to use the government to act in their interests, this is a problem with businesses and not with government"

How can this be your thought process?

>>60637471
>You're strawmanning
The tl;dr of this entire thread.

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>>60637439
you lost buckaroo
net neutrality's over
better lie low and wait for the day kek rises

>>60637471

Do you not understand how lobbying works now? Whether it's astroturfed organizations, or all expenses paid corporate vacations, it is the root of corporate influence on government.

>>60637497
>have a strong opinion and argue about it
>dont actually argue for your position, just use middle school locker room insults and "witty" comebacks

Good talk, son.

>>60637518
Which is a problem with having government, not a problem with having freedom.

>>60637518
American politics amuses me since it's all arguments about what the government should do when it's all corporate controlled lobbying.
Please Mr Fox, redesign the chicken coop since the foxes are getting in

When did /g/ get so fucking (((progressive)))

>>60637428
newfag cunt 4chan was always anarchist/libertarian oriented
>>60637415
be honest with yourself it wasnt even nearly as bad as it is now. don't pretend that /pol/ isn't cancer and that everything is the same. it doesn't make you look wise nor sophisticated.

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>>60637471
>ancap
hows that meme ideology workin for ya

>>60637439
>unironically defending net neutrality

>>60637560
Dude, nice argument. Really makes you think

>>60637560
Swimmingly right now, commie.

>>60637530

When your freedom as a private citizen becomes second class to corporate privilege, all because you don't have the money to influence your elected official it is a huge fucking problem.

>>60637532

They aren't just getting in, they are now inviting wolves in to the farmhouse to be fed at our dinner table.

When foreign nations have influence over your elections and elected officials, there's a huge fucking problem.

>>60637600
Yes, it is a huge fucking problem. The huge fucking problem is that an organization exists whose sole purpose is to infringe on people's rights. Abolish government and your problem disappears.

>>60636637
>Priority for Emails, Stocks, & Streaming
Im assuming you mean emails should be a lower priority, as they should be. All in all not really sure what you're trying to say here. Doesnt seem like there's anything wrong.

>muh free market
In many places there is only 1 option for ISPs. Many places have legislation that prevents competition. Or what if all the ISPs in an area throttle?

>>60637537
>all the linux shilling and push for gibmedats open source software
do you not know where we are

>>60637628
yeah the linux shilling was truly the beginning of the end
started attracting all these SJW snowflakes

That faggot m00t should have left /pol/ nuked.

>>60637713
Watch your mouth, degenerate.

>>60637628

Open source software is not just about being currency free. It's about ownership of the software that controls the hardware.

You think you own your windows 10 computer? Your iPhone? Tell that to the forced updates and telemetry data, resetting privacy settings, and what data is collected. Watch what happens when you have unapproved software or try to jailbreak your phone. You own a black box that contains hardware and software you are leasing.

>>60637749
absolutely nobody cares about your libtarded dogma
go back to your LUG to beat it to ponies

>>60637774
Enjoy being cucked by the software you pay for.

>>60637797
at least i'm not using poo in loo indian commie freeshit

>>60637774
>caring about privacy and software sovereignty is a liberal position

Haha what

>>60637804
I don't use android.

>>60637774

What a butt hurt faggot. Liberty is freedom. Not zero cost free, like what you sold your soul out for.

>>60636395
>land of the free
>land of capitalism

>restrict competition by legislation

fuckin amazing

>>60637382
>the only places i rarely see /pol/tards are in /lit/ and /mu/
Curiously those are the strongest rddit bases on 4chan
r/the_donald was a mistake, the final cancer to kill the site
>>60637265
>When i go in the store and purchase a product, i was exploited by nobody
yes, having this sole store to purchase food and being unable to go to any other store or opening any other store it's totally free
>Isnt it better to create a climate where exploiting would be hard and disincentivised by the public and healthy competition?
Most people who are shilling for Pai are completely side stepping the fact that ISP's have monopolies protected by the government and by the other big ones signing no competition pacts
>>60637820
Apple and Microsoft are full of pajeets who love communist tier surveillance and control on your property

>>60637850
What?

>>60636363
Daily reminder that municipal NIMBYs are preventing new ISPs from laying down fiber.
Fix this problem and then abolish net neutrality.

>>60637850

How much do you think comcast paid foe that privilege?

Meanwhile they institute data caps on slow connection speeds. And say they need government money to improve the infrastructure.

>>60637873
americans. communism is evil and capitalism is glorious, but good lord when someone is competing in your industry you're all climbing over each other to pass laws stopping it.

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who dragged the >>/pol/ in? /g/ usually has fewer pedes and more pedophiles, jeez.
>tfw "everyone I disagree with is a %STRAWMAN"

>>60637891

Baby Boomers can't die off fast enough.

>>60637899
I'm the one you quoted and this is definitely not what I said. Reading comprehension dude.

So how much extra will you guys be willing to pay for 4chan access.
Just doing a bit of market research :∆)

>>60637935
There's cucks already paying 20 yearly, some of them paid more on top through (((donations)))

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>there are people that supported the "net neutrality" bill just because of the name
Imagine being that fucking stupid.

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>>60637962
>there are people literally shilling for a fucking Comcast Pajeet
wew guess who stood with NN back in 2014 and stopped SOPA more than once?

>>60637981
that was before 4chan grew up and swallowed the redpill

>>60637962
Same people who'd support the "Protect the Children act" no matter he contents.

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>>60638000
Yes, keep telling yourself that, 4chan stood with Ron Paul back then fucking corpkike cuck

>>60638016
ron paul?
sounds like a cuck to me

>>60636565
>GOP in a nutshell

>>60638029
>totally not a statist cuck I swear
Die fucking commie

Does Comcast, Verizon, AT&T, Time Warner, Charter, CenturyLink, etc realize that by hiring shills to argue on the chans they're fighting a fruitless endeavor that will produce the opposite of their intended goal?

>>60638046
Worked for CambridgeAnalytica

>>60638046
Not everyone has gotten the memo that CTR failed horribly, they also have to employ the Pajeets at their outsourced call centers

>>60638043
only a cuck would defend net neutrality

>>60638057
Either that or they're just retarded egotists like David Brock who keeps hammering away with the equivalent of a stone chisel on solid metal

>>60638046
Worked for Putin, didn't it?

>>60638074
Keep projecting commiecuck

>>60638093
>wants regulation over the internet
sounds like you're the commiecuck to me

>>60638091
It can work if the pros you provide seem outweigh the cons, if you have nothing to offer you're digging your own grave

>>60638098
Not him, but you sound like a corporate bootlicker 2Bayyytch

>>60638098
>wants a Comcast shill who works in the government to keep protecting the monopolies
Yeah, totally not a commiecuck

>>60638000
You mean before Agent Smith shoved his fist up Moot's ass and took this place over and turned it into a Military Industrial Complex propaganda site?

I bet the Aussies did this

>>60638000
waste of trips

>>60638046
Shilling an imageboard like 4chan doesn't produce the opposite effect, it just inflames whatever the populace was leaning towards already.
4chan is a place where ideas aren't filtered and you will hear contrary opinions all the goddamn time. People say shit that's dumb, wrong, and all over the place all the goddamn time, and it's only the stuff you agree with that'll resonate.

So if you shill stuff that's dumb, (like voting for hillary) then it's not going to work.

>>60637856
> yes, having this sole store to purchase food and being unable to go to any other store or opening any other store it's totally free
Anything stopping anyone from opening another store?
> Most people who are shilling for Pai are completely side stepping the fact that ISP's have monopolies protected by the government and by the other big ones signing no competition pacts
> have monopolies protected by the government
> protected by the government
Kind of making the an-cap case for me here

>>60636363
I'm not going to start opposing net neutrality just because some frogposter got paid to call it communism. Explain why net neutrality is actually making things worse for me.

>>60637415
no it fucking wasn't you invader. it was almost all about defending net neutrality, looking at legislation, who was in charge of regulation etc. skeptics of net neutrality proposed modified alternatives, they didn't connect it to a shallow "philosophy" they got pilled on by a bunch of /pol/ and reddit fucktards. you got out of your containment board and get to piss all over the other boards now for some reason. just stay on fucking reddit or facebook or whatever other social media shill hive.

>>60637428
>and 4chan was always right wing
>people a decade ago have no filter to their add/autistic sense of humor
>therefor they must be all part of le right wing uprising r/thedonal lel

old 4chan would be called outright liberal now that fucks like you have eliminated any form of thought that isn't alt-right corporate dicksucking and willful ignorance.

>>60637539
this reminds me that you never really appreciate something until it's gone.

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>>60638226
>4chan is a place where ideas aren't filtered and you will hear contrary opinions all the goddamn time. People say shit that's dumb, wrong, and all over the place all the goddamn time
yes BUT:

-it's gotten much worse, like if 4chan used to have a collective iq of maybe 100 it's now down to like 40
-fucking cross site, cross board bullshit from reddit and general normie stupidity is like I've never seen
-it used to be relatively contained in /pol/, now /pol/ isn't just a mess, it's not just an echo-chamber, it's literally a pipeline for reddit that goes straight into 4chan.

I miss when 4chan was a bunch of misunderstood mis-fit kids and young adults who weren't on any "side" and just believed in the freedom of their own self-expression and individualism. now all the kids are braindead phoneposters and the adults are newfag reddit cancer riding a wave of collective stupidity

>companies won't be able to charge you extra for access to particular sites
Tell me:
1. How's that a bad thing?
2. How's that not a form of consumer protection?
Or are you simply implying that all forms of consumer protection are inherently bad because muh communism? In that case don't bother replying because you're fucking retarded.

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>>60639293
right in the feels

>>60639187
>>60639293
>>60639139

The butthurt libtard tears are so fuckin' real.

You have to go back.

i've literally only ever seen normies defend net neutrality

it's the position of degeneracy

>>60639537
>You have to go back.
if i could go back in time i would 2bqh

>>60639293
I feel you anon. 2015-2016 were terrible years for this site and you're spot on on many of these things. I browse on mobile on the go, but they should really ban mobileposting unless you have a pass. It's easier than ever to shitpost with how many IPs mobileshitters have on the reserve and it's terrible on the longrun for this site. I have never treated this place as a shitposting haven, but that's what newfaggots believe. It was much better when it was subtle or entertaining, now it's just as its name: shit.

>>60639558
>doesn't know what that phrase actually means
Yay, reddit.

>>60639558
shill harder, cucklord

>>60639603
i know very well what you crossboard posters meant, i choose to use my own definition, an alternate definition if you will.

I wish I could gas /r/le_donald

>>60639623
>alternative facts

Net neutrality was a fucking shield monopolies hid behind.
It was fixing the symptom not the fucking problem.

>>60638148

the aussies don't have net neutrality.

rather than paying more for the bandwidth for certain online streaming services, it's free.

>>60639680
The Aussies have far worse internet because of Telstra which is slow as fuck. NZ has government backed, net neutral internet which is fibre optic to the door with free, government subsidized install.

>>60639680
>rather than paying more for the bandwidth for certain online streaming services, it's free.
That's exactly what net neutrality is.

>people just throwing around insults instead of explaining their side
I would probably get more conversation on actual /pol/

>>60639644
kys shilltard

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>>60639726

>>60639748
i see nothing wrong with this image

>>60636363
What happens when net neutrality is not enforced: every traffic intensive site/service becomes throttled. Ever had slow buffering in YouTube? That's your ISP fucking around. I can't even download torrents without a VPN because they get throttled to around 15kb/s.

>>60639780
kill yourself

>>60639841
found the jealous libtard

sorry we don't bring malnourished betafags and wild obese feminists to our marches lol

>>60639841
so much for the tolerant left

>>60639877
>>60639883
drink bleach cancer

>>60639903
one day you'll grow out of mommy's politics and join the ancap revolution
better hope it's before the day of the rope

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>>60639921
back to plebbit

>>60639921
>ancap revolution
wait, is that what pol think they are doing? and not being co-opted?

>>60639951
/pol/ has been flooded with literal cancer from reddit and facebook since the elections

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>>60636363
Verizon loves you.

>>60636363
End yourself.
Every single ISP that does not follow the net neutrality should close down.

>There are literally HUNDREDS of ISPs in the United States
Most of them are owned by the bigger ones, cuck.

>you wouldn't get so fucking ERECT from thinking about net neutrality.
I am a GPL supporter so...

>>60636581
Remember when /pol/tards were talking about how net neutrality was a lobbyist thing?

>RMS
>won’t defend
And this is how I know propaganda

>>60636363
Good goy
one dollar has been deposited into your account

>>60636363
Here you go shill >>60630983