WHERE THE FUCK ARE ALL THE 580s? IT'S SOLD OUT EVERYWHERE

>>60604308
>buy 480
>flash it to 580
aahahahaha

I'll sell you a 480, m8.

>>60604308
i never looked at the 580's. Are they just as fast a 1070?

>>60604308
ETH miners
not kidding

>>60604372
/Thread

>>60604482
/you

>>60604308
Where's Vega is the important question

>>60604372
If AMD always sells cards like hotcakes thanks to the miners, to the point they become really hard to find, unlike nvidia (so AMD should be selling much more cards than them) why do they still report negative profit every quarter?

>>60604372
ETH isn't eaten up by asic miners yet?

>>60604498
Cause Debt and they spend too much money, I think that's gonna change this year with EBYN also Ryzen wasn't in 1st qt ER

Just suck off a guy at some local store and ask him to put one aside for you when they come in.

>>60604504
can't use asics on eth

>>60604308
my friends and i bought like 20 580s on amazon to mine eth
sorry bud. you can buy them from me once it goes proof of stake though

Just get a 1060.

i thought the 480 was supposed to be 200 dollars when it was supposed to come out
the fuck happened, how did it get so jewed?

>>60604365
The 480/580 are feces

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>>60604308
>AMD always fucking kept away from my grasp by fucking cryptofags

FML, what will it take for AMD to capitalize on this and release a gaming card and with auto gimping of crypto faggotry, and an ungimped version for cryptofags to fight over.

>>60604721
Why would they kill themselves like this?
I've ordered pulse 580 for 250$ what is cheapest you can get here[21%vat]
In america I guess you can get pulse 580 for 200$ [8gb version]

>>60604737
electronics are always cheaper in the US
fuck those niggers

>>60604660
go away img_xxxx

>>60604737
Stuff may be cheaper in the US usually, but then we have much higher healthcare cost so a majority of our population is actually quite poor. Most of the Euro zone has excellent healthcare because of the VAT.

>>60606198
And if you are healthy young male such as myself, you can get cheap goods and not buy heath insurance for the best of both worlds.

>>60604365
they are around 1060 level

>>60606281

i dont get it. Here in germany the rx580 is around the same price like the 1060 , but in all reviews the 1060 outperforms the rx580.

why should i buy the rx580 ??

>>60606312
No, it doesn't.
Even overclocked.

>>60606318

i am interested. can you show something. i read here that the rx580>1060 but i never saw data to back it up

>>60606326
The rx 580 8gb and the gtx 1060 6gb are pretty much interchangeable, it depends on the game. Some people say to get the rx 580 because it supports DX12 better, but that's probably a non issue for the next few years, and by then you'll probably be buying a new GPU anyway

>>60606348

rx 580 - 291.68

https://www.amazon.de/MSI-RX-580-GAMING-8G/dp/B06ZXRZ4V4/ref=sr_1_4?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1495842236&sr=1-4&keywords=rx+580

gtx 1060 - 296.70

https://www.amazon.de/MSI-GeForce-GTX-1060-Grafikkarte/dp/B01IOPQ1VO/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1495842526&sr=1-1&keywords=msi+gtx+1060+6gb

>>60606312
I was faced with the same question, only with the RX480 and 1060.

Since the 1060 had ShadowPlay, CUDA, PhysX, NVENC, DSR and all that shit (and Linux/BSD support, even with SLI), I went with Nvidia.

Since then I realized the 480 might have performed a bit better in Vulkan/DX12, but there is only Doom out there. Which runs perfectly fucking fine with the 1060.

Btw a few tips:
- Gigabyte has a model which is short, has 3yr warranty, and on/off fans.
- Zotac has a similar spec model with 2yr warranty.
- ASUS's short card has no on/off, but 3yr warranty.

I went with the shortest ones because the difference is marginal and who cares about stupid LEDs on the side and shit. (So I picked the Gigabyte because it had the best features/most warranty. But maybe in Germany Zotac also offers 3yrs, dunno.)

>>60604325
the 580 is cheaper in my country

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>>60604308
>all the amd cards at my local microcenter are out of stock when they used to have a shitload of them only a month ago
w-what's going on bro's? the only shit left are the 7970/7950 rebrands and the low end 460/560 garbage.

>>60606605
Blame minerfags

>>60606605
Cryptoniggers killing AMD again

>>60606662
>cards are out of stock
>this somehow kills amd
kek

>>60606691
>people who want to buy AMD GPUs now have to go Nvidia
>normalfags believe AMD has production issues, lowering company trust
>miners after they're done dump the GPUs on ebay for pennies and AMD gets nothing from it

It's a short term gain, but a long term loss.

Why would you want it over 1060?

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>>60606691
if it weren't for the booming cryptomarket, amd would be kill a long time ago, you massive nigger faggot

>>60606662
>>60606659
good news bro's, they still have the golden sample red devils left.

>>60606708
>normalfags believe AMD has production issues
To the extent that they can't keep up with actual demand, that is not an untruth.
>miners after they're done dump the GPUs on ebay for pennies and AMD gets nothing from it
How is this somehow unfair? AMD already got the purchase price for the card.

I don't get it, Norway has a huge surplus of all radeon cards, where are you guys looking for them?

>>60606776
It's because a lot of those will opt for penny-cheap second hand cards now since the market is flooded with them instead of new ones.

>>60606929
So what? That still means that the new cards are being bought.

>>60606949
In less quantities.

>>60606964
Less quantities than what? Clearly, they can't produce enough to keep up with demand.

>>60606991
LESS QUANTITIES THAN A REGULAR QUARTER OF SALES, CRYPTOMINERS FUCKING DON'T HAVE ANY STAYING POWER, PEOPLE WHO GENUINELY WANT TO BUY AMD'S GPUS TURN TO OTHER COMPANIES AND THAT'S A LONG TERM LOSS AS THEY'RE LESS LIKELY TO BUY THEIR NEXT UPGRADE.

IN SHORT
FUCK YOU

>>60607012
>cryptofag buys new AMD card, gaymer later buys it from him
>cryptofag buys new AMD card, gaymer buys new NV card instead
>cryptofag buys no card, gaymer buys new AMD card
In all these cases, one new AMD card is being bought.

>>60607030
>one new AMD card is being bought.
Instead of a potential two.

>>60607046
But the gaymer only bought old and NV because there was no more AMD cards available, so two was never an option.

>>60604325
rx480 is underpowered garbage
rx580 is the only true answer

>>60607063
https://www.techpowerup.com/196320/why-the-litecoin-craze-hurts-more-than-helps-brand-amd-radeon

AMD recently said themselves that it hurts them more long term, I don't know why he's arguing with you

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>>60604308

i still dont understand why people would want a poorfag non-CUDA AMD card

>>60607082
In case you didn't notice, that article only discussed pricing of AMD cards, not actual shortage, which is what was originally discussed in OP and >>60606605.

>>60607151
wew lad delete this

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>>60607165
fuck i meant to post this

>>60606312
In Hungary, 480/580s are like $30-40 more expensive than 1060s.

>>60606381
>PhysX dead tech because Nvidia was an ass about it
>SLI yeah... you do know there no SLI support on the 1060 right ??

>>60604308
>1340 mhz
u wot
my 480 sits on a chill 1350 for 24/7 use and can even go as high as 1450 with a little voltage boost
I thought those 580s could clock at least 1400 on default, such useless series desu

>>60607698
http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2519-gtx-1060-sli-benchmark-in-ashes-multi-gpu

the reason there is no 1060 sli support is because it would btfo the overpriced 1070+1080
and the 1080ti on a price per performance ratio

>>60606381
wtf what does all that words mean, is AMD that behind?

>>60606381
>ShadowPlay
amd has an equivalent
>CUDA
i give that to you
>PhysX
Physx is dead for several years already
>NVENC
dunno about this for amd
>DSR
amd does have an equivalent for this too

amd provides the same features
most of which you will literally not use because noone on /g/ who talks about gpus works in an environment wherein things like cuda would be used

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>>60606662
>people still mine buttcoins
I thought it was far too late to even make a profit off that anymore?

>>60606605
Same no microcenter near me, but I went to abkut 4 best buys one being in bum fuck no where (took about an hour and half to get there thankfully I was also there for another reason) everything from AMD was sold out except for the 460 and 560s. Tons of Nvidia cards tho.

>>60606708
>miners after they're done dump the GPUs on ebay
Which further reduces brand trust because the cards are beat with noisy fans and roasted thermal paste.

I got a 309x for a screaming deal, I'm pretty sure it was mining it's entire life. Still under $200 with an arctic cooler on it but it was beat when it showed up. fan bearings were scratchy as hell.

Whats the performance gain of 580 over a 480? 2fps? 10?

What's special about mining with GPUs? Why not CPUs?

>>60610130
Something like 10% more

>Sapphire Radeon Rx580 Nitro+ 8GB
$375
>MSI GTX 1060 Gaming X 6GB
$375

Feels bad living in a third world country, should I go for the 8GB? Will it last me more?

>>60610286
Yes, it'll do you for 1440p. The 1060 will crap out at that res.

>>60608018
I still don't understand how mining crypto currency even works..

>>60610130
Its like a 5-7 fps difference depending on game. I got a 480 in black friday last year and am kinda annoyed I didn't wait, but it really makes very little difference.
>>60610193
Basically GPUs are much better suited at repetitive tasks and much higher instructions per clock. CPUs have 4-8 complex cores while GPUs have thousands of simple ones.

>>60604372
>GPU mining in the current year

Youare better off day trading cryptos

Literally wasting your money

>>60608018
>>60610394
>>60610193

mining ethereum is currently profitable, especially with the recent price levels with which hashrates have yet to adjust.
me and my buddies have free power, bought around 20 580s (and ordering more). super profitable.

i was actually going to buy a 480 but i heard 580's were coming out soon so i'd wait for them.
boy what a fucking mistake.
you can't even buy 480's anymore since they stopped making them and i missed out on all those cheap 480s before the 580's launched.
who would have guessed those buttcoin mining fucks could ruin everything?

might actually buy a 1060 now because of this faggot ass shit.

>>60610647
>who would have guessed those buttcoin mining fucks could ruin everything?
You really think that they have bough that amount of cards? Considering the 480 was basically the same thing.

I wish I can the numbers on cards made. It's far from coin miners being soul buyers of them.
And they'd be buying reference cards most the time. Not chips on custom pcbs for overclocking.
They underclock their cards to maximize cost to performance. So another $30+ for a card is retarded for them.

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>>60610735
you gotta realize there are actually entire companies being formed around "mining" cryptofuck coins.

>>60606381
AMD has everything there except CUDA (which is useless for you because OpenCL also exists and performs the same function if you even used it and you probably do not) and PhysX which is dead, but technically AMD can do it and they do have a compute capable ASIC as well, but nvidia threw a tantrum over developers using any other physics hardware/compute options.
>>60607030
>Buying used video cards
>Buying used from a retarded manlet who used it to mine buttcoins and blew it the fuck out 24/7
Yeah, no thanks.
>>60610817
Yeah, and the ones that aren't done by dumbasses use asics that hash thousands of times faster for far less energy than your meme video gaymer gpu.

>>60610817
lmao look at that hair

>>60604308
Ethereum mining. People only buy AMD GPUs for mining.

Cryptofaggotry is the cancer killing the GPU market.

>>60611552

i recognize that hair. that is the hear of the wannabe business shark whose entire career is hopping from faceless corporation to faceless corporation (always in some middle-manager capacity), spouting off buzzwords and youtube video social-engineering techniques to convince "the higher ups" to invest in his new product line that's "gonna change the game"

i had one at my old company. total fucking tool. looked like fucking guy fieri

>>60610857
>Buying used from a retarded manlet who used it to mine buttcoins and blew it the fuck out 24/7
>implying gpus degrade

>>60610817
I'm gonna be pissed if q2 er results is another fail

>>60612218
Not even 24/7 full load cryptofucked GPUs running in a poorly ventilated room for years?

>>60610817
JUST

>>60612313
Not the GPU itself. In the worst case you may have to replace the fan and/or the thermal paste.

>>60607777
Well yeah , Since when did Nvidia Care for it's Customers ?
Do we need to mentioned the ghost of the 780 ti ?
Nvidia isn't out there for you at the end of the day. Neither is AMD but one is making clear movement against the customers.

>>60612505
Or redo all the failed solder joints that have cracked because of the constant thermal stress of being in a cryptonigger environment. You know, that tedious little bit of bullshit.

>>60612505
>>60614718

On this note, single case but still.
Bought an ex-miner 280x around an year ago. Cleaned it, replaced thermal paste, result was pretty fucking good, low 70ºs on full load. A month after got a really nice deal on a 970, so I got it and sold the 280x to an acquaintance. Then I learned the card died 2 months after that.

>>60614925
Yeah, miner cards are basically ticking time bombs. They're just ruined.

>>60615067

Yeah, there are some parts I just don't buy used, graphics cards are one of them. They're abused and even overclocked as much as cpu's, but don't have their reliability in the slightest. I've dealt with a couple thousand pc's when I was working repair, but only had 2 broken cpu's.

>>60614718
Thermal stress is caused by repeated expansion and contraction from heating and cooling, ie. gaymer workloads. If you're running the GPU constantly, there's no thermal cycling, so that should actually be better. The effect is probably marginal to begin with, though.

Give me the recipe for concentrated dark matter and I will let you know where to find a 580

>>60614718
GPUs do not get that hot mining. My 1070s reach 70c peak.

None of the bullshit you said happens, the biggest thing you have to look out for is fan bearings.

>>60616013
To be fair my 1070 doesn't even break 60c while playing most games

>>60606254
>until you get cancer or bombed by Ahmed.

captcha = irani edge ln

>>60607070
>same thing

>>60606381
>Since the 1060 had ShadowPlay, CUDA, PhysX, NVENC, DSR and all that shit (and Linux/BSD support, even with SLI), I went with Nvidia.
And oops, then you realized that Nvidia doesn't support Freesync. I feel bad for you.

>>60604325
>your card fries as most of them aren't built for the same power usage
aaaahahaaa

>>60617614
The only reason I went for rx580 is freesync.
I've ordered the cheapest ultra-wide from LG with freesync.
I hope it is not placebo because ppl claim shit like "once you freesync u never go back"
like black penises.

>>60610530
Can't wait for the inevitable crash so i can pick few 580's for dirt cheap.

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>>60604308
>>When you genuinely believe that AMD is good in terms of hardware production and value.

>>60610817
they should limit these things to two per household or something, shit is retarded.

>>60617779
It is a placebo. Got an 29um68-p a month ago and i can't tell a difference between freesync on and off.

>>60618252
They'll die within months.

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>>60618307
>>When you genuinely believe that anybody cares about your shit opinion.

>except that one response just to tell you your opinion IS shit.

>>60618335
>29um68-p
It's 75hz of course you can barely tell, get a 120 or above

>>60618466
Yes I will go to my bank and ask 7000$ for monitor.
It is not america everywhere,yet.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LLAJ8PU/

What do you think is better?

RX580 for $279

-or-

GTX 1070 for $334

Where does the 1070 shine and where does the RX580 beat the 1070. From what I understand the AMD people says that RX580 will eventually be much faster than the 1070.

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>>60618487
>It's a placebo cause I'm poor
kys

>>60618508
kys back on you,i was talking about 120hz ultrawide monitor.

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>>60604372
This. Should have litsened to /biz/ and got into etherum.

>>60604658
cryptocoin miners, they optimise for opencl (as the code is open source) which amd is good at instead of cuda which is nivida's closed source solution.

>>60618252
What would you need multiple 580s for other than mining?

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>>60604308
i have one op. look harder.

>>60607817
>i give that to you
There's OpenCL support and the ROCm initiative, but yeah, CUDA is a given
>dunno about this for amd
VCE predates NVENC for like a year, and ATi AVIVO predates both for like 4 years
Nvidia didn't had their own hybrid/hardware accelerated encoder for years, they relied on third parties like badaboom
>amd does have an equivalent for this too
They literally have the same thing, with the same name
>>60614718
>thermal stress from constant loads
topfuckingkek, how retarded are you?
The problem with mining cards are retards and poojeets OC'ing them to death with near suicidal voltages, of course sane people won't do this since risking breaking the card before ROI it's retarded (and obviously higher voltages and clocks will reduce efficiency and increase electricity costs), but there's plenty of niggers out there
>>60604504
No, the algorithm it's memory heavy and IO bound, and they're planning to drop PoW for PoS (which would mean there's no need to mine), though they don't have any actual plans on how to do it
>>60610394
Since Polaris pretty much any card will ROI within 6 months on any place with sane electricity costs, with the current bull market entirety of crypto they ROI within 3 months
>>60618310
They limit them to like 3 cards per person nowadays, but the buying craze usually happens when the cards are launched

>>60604372
With the difficulty increase it will profitable for only a few months.

>>60619699
yea, sucks for the 3 guys at my work who each pooled 1.5k to get a mining rig for ether. only ~150 Mhz

I unironically want AMD to gimp their cards so this never happens AGAIN AND AGAIN

>>60604325
This rarely works. You fucktards need to stop spreading misinformation
It only works on ones that were built significantly better than the reference spec AND had golden dies.
It doesn't magically make the cooler, PCB, and GPU silicon better, fuckhead.

>>60604498
They have a lot of debt to pay.
Though what I don't get is why they don't just make cheaper cards that they can sell directly to miners.
The miners don't need all that VRAM, don't need as complex a PCB. They could make a card that's almost half the cost to make and the same mining performance to sell to them and increase their margins from like 30% to 50% ez.

>>60620401
>This rarely works.
So it does work though?

Holy shit lol.

>>60620417
Yes. It does work for the higher end cards like an ROG Strix or GTR RX480.
It is the same architectures, just better coolers, pcb, and refined process for the GPU dies that makes them clock about 8% higher for a given voltage on average.